CarloSandros' from pua beginner to love hacker: August 2010

Saturday, August 28, 2010

GM style aka grandmaster style sexual bt spike game by Nathan Szilard

GM style explained

Quick Definition: A style developed by “GM”, or “Grandmaster”, whose PU style is blatantly sexual and forward, in a confident and unapologetic manner.

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Full Definition:

First documented on the ASF forums and then in Tony Click’s book “The Layguide”, GM was developed by a historically prominent PUA from called “Grandmaster”. His style was documented by Nathan Szilard on the old uASF forums. The GM style approach can work well or not work depending on a PUA’s avatar and personality. His approach relies on the PUA being congruent with the GM Style material.

GM is considered an advanced technique that takes an extraordinary amount of self-control and an outgoing personality, allowing the PUA to keep talking and take a lot of shit tests from women without losing his cool. Think Pepé Le Pew but more vulgar and non-stop, with PUA level calibration.

In a nutshell, GM involves the PUA first telling the woman blatantly that he wants to fuck her. This will likely trigger a negative (IOD) response. It is important for the PUA to keep talking and not let her speak, as he is presenting a strong frame that requires some time. Adjusting and reacting properly (in good fun and honest) to her reactions are the keys to making this technique work.

The underlying themes are:

1. Honesty about your intentions

2. Being the dominant male

3. Confident and in control of the situation

4. Humor and kino

5. Her inability to respond will get her to unconsciously think about sex all night.

GM is high risk, high reward. Once a PUA opens with GM style, he cannot go back to indirect game because it would be incongruent.

Examples of GM style openers:

“Nice shoes, want to fuck?”

“I don’t want to have sex without mutual consent. And oh… you have my consent”

“You aren’t going to get too horny if I sit next to you, are you?”

layguide version intro:-

<<< >>>Contributed to ASF by Nathan Szilard, this is the description of the technique used by a PUA acquaintance of his nick-named Grand Master Flash's. Hence the name GM technique. The key here is smutty sex jokes and continuous humorous sex-talk with keen attention to how the girl reacts, so as to forestall any negative reactions (and you can be sure, there will be plenty in the beginning!:) by saying "just kidding", giving an "apologetic" hug to the girl etc. The reasoning here is this, that if the girl has no chance to express her negative comments about sex-jokes and -comments, this translates in her subconsciousness to agreeing and accepting what is being said. The defences will eventually go down, she has to imagine all the sex-jokes in her mind in order to understand them, and although she might be disgusted or repelled about them in the first place, she won't be able to express her negativism, her mind is bombarded with more sexual references, she just keeps imagining and before she knows it, nature kicks in and… she's getting horny:) Simple:) But potentially dangerous as hell - you really need to be in your element with all the sex jokes and keep "just kidding" in time not to get slapped in the beginning etc. otherwise you could fail miserably:)

Nathan Szilard on GM Flash and his technique, ASF: "That's his aggressive style. Basically he told them he wanted to fuck from the beginning. He had the attitude that he could satisfy them sexually. He had the confidence that says he does this all the time. He was in their face. He was making them excited. He was stimulating them like they are not USED TO being stimulated. If they were going to resist, they would have resisted when he first told them what he wanted from them. There is the INCORRECT assumption that chicks don't like DICK! They love it and they want it! The problem is they want it from the guys they want it from. All he has to do is offer them the SECOND best thing... sexual satisfaction as opposed to sex with a man they WANT! He doesn't even have to satisfy them:) It's too late by the time he's fucking them! All he has to do is make them BELIEVE that if they get with him he is going to fuck them WELL! They couldn't resist because at some point they became HORNY and wanted that RELEASE!"

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GM style lines

<<< >>>Nathan Szilard, ASF:

•"If you buy me a drink, you might get lucky tonight"
•"I can't please every girl but I'll give you a chance tonight"
•"Women are lining up to be with me"
•"It's tough to be such a sex symbol"
•"Aren't you going to get too horny if I sit next to you?"
•"I'm organising an orgy for my friend's birthday. Wanna come?"
•"I like you because you're intelligent (gesture over her breasts). I like myself because I'm intelligent too (gesture over your dick)." (once GM even later got a phone-call where the girl said she wanted to show him her intelligence:)
•"If you're nice enough I will lick you."
•"How does it feel like to be with (one/two) handsome blokes?"
•"My friend's jealous because mine is bigger."
•"Look, we have to go (to her place) now because I have a date in 2 hours. No we can't go to my place because I have a friend sleeping there."
•"I love myself sooo much I can't leave myself alone."
•"I wish I could split myself in 5 ("me"s) so that I could please all the women."
•"I have to go to the hospital tomorrow" - "What for?" - "To get an operation, (pointing down) mine's too big"
•"Do you know how I can have a 24 cm /11 inch dick?" "???" "When I fold it in half"
•"Are you hands clean?" - "Yeah" - "Ok, could you hold my dick for me while I'm peeing?"
•"You know, that really bothers me, all those girls and guys going after me, and they're only interested because of it, you know, I want to be appreciated for who I am, not for just my HUGE penis."
•"I should'nt talk about that, I don't want you to be incredibly turned on... I don't want you to make a mental picture of a huuuuuuuuuuuuge throoobing tasty penis." (Nathan: "Her eyes were glowing -- you could tell what she had in mind!")
•"It's not possible to be cute without being >picked up ... sometimes I wish I wasn't so cute" (Nathan: "One of the most important aspects of the GM technique is REVERSING ROLES")
•Me: "Do you wake up early in the morning?". Her: "No, not really". Me: "Good, I don't like to be waken up;)".
Whenever they don't react positively enough, you say:

•"Hide your joy / pleasure!!"
•"Last time I saw someone as excited as you, she was in a coma!"•"If you don't like cute guys, just tell me!" (Most of the time the reply will be "no, no, we do like cute guys!". This question reframes their possible dislike of you into a dislike of "cute guys" in general, which however they want to deny, thus being forced to confess, that they actually do like you. Tricky eh?:)
Nathan Szilard, ASF: "OKAY ONE IMPORTANT THING: you'd think that he gets blown off every time he says something that stupid, right? YES HE SHOULD!! He would IF he didn't say "JUST KIDDING " *before* she has a chance to reply. Psychologically speaking, since she does not have the time to reply negatively, she's somewhat agreeing. It's rather obvious when you see it happening. If she starts replying negatively, he cuts her down by saying, "yeah I like to say stupid things, life's too short not to have fun" or "I like to act like a little kid - I am a kid"." And then he continues with what he started with:) One other thing he uses to go kino fast and often is insulting the girl and then "apologising" right away by kissing and hugging:)

A possible explanation of why the GM style actually works, Nathan Szilard: "You don't get rejected as you would expect - when you think about it, to reject something, you have to know what it is. When you've heard one particular line a thousand times, you know what it means, what it is, what it aims at ... When GM approaches she's here, wondering what the fuck is going on ... it's so outrageous, she can't react in a predetermined way."

From someone who tried the GM technique just to test it, ASF: "It was at the point I was feeling a little guilty because one was a real sweetheart and I just wanted to fall back to being nice and letting her talk about her boyfriend - but when I did - I could instantly see it was a mistake so I'd come off with "I gotta get an operation tomorrow..." and she'd come back with a "You're so bad" and hitting me... It was easy and she made sure to give me her phone number! I didn't even ask! This experiment tells me to memorise every one of these lines. They are killer! Pure gold! These are powerful jokes. Funny how the one who gave me her phone number kept saying she loved a sense of humour. I thought the jokes weren't funny at all. I was just mouthing words and she was laughing. I couldn't believe it. The other one had to go but she fell right into talking about sex. WOW!'"

Nathan Szilard, ASF: "An idea to go beyond GM style: describing the woman as a slut. Isntead of telling her "you are beautiful" as an AFC does, describe her as if she was doing something overtly and consciously sexual.

See where I'm going to?

What I learnt from GM, well and from textbook psychology - you can get people to form an opinion about themselves. Let that opinion be that she is a slut."

The word "slut" in this context is a highly sexual and constantly horny female (not a prostitute).

Doing a pick-up on the street GM-style (suggested by Nathan Szilard, ASF). You have eye-contact with a woman on the street, she passes, and when you turn back, make sure she hears this: "Hey! ... What does this mean? You ogle at me and you don't even stop to talk to me? I'm not a sex object!". She'll probably be standing there, looking back at you and feeling stunned, now go approach, introduce yourself, act all "hurt" for being taken as only a sex object, offer her to chance to make it up to you by having the two of you getting to know each other over a cup of coffee etc:)

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Use sexual stories to get her horny

<<< >>>Use personal experience or fantasy stories to get her horny. ASF: "Never use stories DIRECTLY INVOLVING the girl you're with. QUOTE about what you did to other chicks or what you want to do to other chicks or ask her about what she has done or would like to do with other guys. You can use this even in every-day discussions by elaborating at the right time and in the right direction:) A variation: get her in a private place, and feed her with fantasies, increasingly sexual, in a hypnotic way, until she can't stand it anymore and will rape you:)" A journalist discussing SS, Playboy, July'98: "I had a friend in college whose success with women was mind-boggling, given his Napoleonic stature and receding hairline. I remember my college friend playfully turning every conversation with a girl, no matter where she would try to steer it, into something with sexual undertones. He'd get her thinking about sex, and pretty soon she was thinking about having sex with him." Remember that steering the conversation into something with sexual undertones doesn't even necessarily have to mean talking explicitly about sex, see "The Discovery Channel pattern" for an example of this. Talking about something innocent but inserting the words "penetrate", "come inside", "hard", "surrender" into the conversation might do the trick just as well. Whether to use covert (SS and patterns) or overt (GM style) conversation is not always easy to decide, the best advice I can give concerning this is just to experiment and "develop an intuition":)

An example of a combination of a cold approach, quoting, stacking realities and using fantasy stories. ASF: ""I know this guy named Vincent, he was telling me about a woman friend of his. She said that she was standing by herself in a bar one time when this guy walks up to her, looks her dead in the eyes and said, "I would like to fuck you. Would you like to fuck me?" and then just stands there. She said she nearly dropped her drink, but then she started thinking about it and began feeling that heat building up in her body. You know how you feel when you start to get really aroused? All wet and excited? She didn't miss a beat and started playing right back at him. She said, "I'd want you to go down on me first..."

Anyway use your exquisite language skills to tell her exactly what you'd like to do to her & have Vincent's friend tell it to her. I mean it's not like *YOU'RE* telling her you want to eat her out & fuck her brains loose or anything:)"

An example of a line to use in a conversation. "When was the last time you had an orgasm? I really think you need to find a guy right now... and let him bend you over the bathroom sink and let him have his way with you."

(Taken from "Sweep women off their feet...":) "Most women love the romantic and emotional stuff, while others are not necessarily interested in a relationship of any kind but would really enjoy a good session of hot and wild session of unforgettable sex, no strings attached.

So how do you begin to talk about that kind of low down and dirty sex? Well, if you see that she doesn't respond to relationship type conversation, move away from it. Offer a different perspective. You can either describe other couples that you know that are not communicating like they should and how much of a hassle it can be to be in a loveless relationship and so on.

So what's the alternative? It doesn't have to be your own opinion but you can mention how much of a hassle free a purely sexual experience can be between two horny people. They can share all their fantasies without fear of being judged by a loved one and threatened with a break-up, they are free to experience many things that might be viewed as taboo by people in a serious relationship etc. You can talk about how easy it is to arrange something and see it through when it comes to nothing but physical pleasure. You can say how both men and women can experiment with their sexual urges and curiousities without any relationship insecurities or jealousy. You can give examples of other couples that you know where the woman always fantasized about being with another woman but the husband was scared that she might leave him for a lesbian. In a purely physical relationship, it's all about what makes us feel good, it's all about exploring fantasies and feeling comfortable with who we are as we are.

If you've hit the target, she will agree with you and feel a connection between the two of you because she will feel you are both the same. At that point you can ask her about her favorite position or her favourite fantasies that she was never able to talk about or act on in a closed and conventional relationship. You can tell her about some mild fantasies of yours and direct the conversation to how wonderful it feels to be able to express yourselves in this way. You can even mention how talking about this kind of stuff is making you hot right there and then probe to see if she feels the same way. You can joke about the two of you trying to seduce another person together for a possible threesome and more depending on the fantasies she already told you about. If everything clicks you will know because if you don't go for the close, she will."

See also The Ideal Guy routine for a similar approach and GM technique explained for more details on overt sexual talk.

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"Bad" jokes

<<< >>>A few "bad" jokes to go with your GM style:)

Pants in the air. "Hey girls, do you know how you can tell whether you liked us?" "No?" "Well tonight, when you get back to your hotel / dorm, and you remove your panties, throw them in the air and if they stick to the ceiling / wall, then that means that you liked us!" (Nathan Szilard, ASF: "I couldn't fucking believe it, the girls laughed hysterically!!":)

The telepathic watch. You can act this one out with her or tell it as a joke as a safer alternative:) "A rather confident man walks into a bar and takes a seat next to a very attractive woman. He gives her a quick glance, then casually looks at his watch for a moment. The woman notices this and asks, "Is your date running late?" "No", he replies, "I just bought this state-of-the-art watch and I was just testing it." The intrigued woman says, "A state-of-the-art watch? What's so special about it?" "It uses alpha waves to telepathically talk to me," he explains. "What's it telling you now?" "Well, it says you're not wearing any panties." The woman giggles and replies, "Well it must be broken then, because I am wearing panties!" The man starts tapping on the watch face and says, "Damn thing must be an hour fast!"

The spermogram. This one is very usable separately as well, but better not use it before you've made sure the girl is or would be comfortable with sexual innuendoes. "A guy goes to a hospital to get a spermogram. The doctor gives him a glass and ask him to fill it up. He goes home to try it with his left hand, try it with his right hand and nothing. He asks for his wife to help, she tries with her left hand, her right hand, her mouth, and nothing. Then again, he asks for his daughter to help, she tries with her left hand, right hand, mouth and nothing. He asked for her neighbour to help, a real HB, she tries all that and nothing. Then, he goes back to the hospital and tells the doctor: "Give me another glass. Nobody can open this one!"."

Rating system explained. This one is quite harsh for a girl and not because of the sex-theme but rather because of the "rating girls" theme. Even while laughing at this joke, she's bound to think "I wonder what she rates ME?". Of course this could have her imagine all sorts of fun stuff like "I wonder if I'm 8 / if he'd eat me?:)" but more probably than not, rating her, even if only hypothetically, is a major turn-off for a girl. So you'd better use quoting if you just have to tell this one ("I can't believe it, my friend just told me this stupid joke…":).

Rating system explained:
7 You'd Fuck Her
8 You'd Eat Her
9 You'd Eat Her After You Fucked Her
10 You'd eat her after your Buddy Fucked Her!

Hurdles. What's this: Grab your upper lip with one hand, lower lip with the other, and pull upper to left, lower to right, then upper to right, lower to left, repeat 5 times, then open mouth a little wider while doing same for one repetition, then 5 more repetitions as above.
Answer: view from below of girl doing 100 meter hurdles.

In a loud club. Not actually a continuation of the GM technique and you won't get her with this one, but it'll probably cheer you up a little nevertheless:)

You: "Do you want to dance?"
Her: (looking at you like a piece of shit she just stepped in) "no"
You: (looking confused then) "oooohh nonononono, I SAID.... YOU....LOOK...FAT,.....IN... THOSE....PANTS..." pointing:)

A modification in case you get snuffed asking the girl for a dance.

He: Hey Baby... wanna dance?
She: No.
He: Oh, C'mon! Lower you're standards a little. I did...:)

Doctor's appointment. One night, as a couple lay down for bed, the husband gently taps his wife on the shoulder and starts rubbing her arm. The wife turns over and says: "I'm sorry honey, I've got a gynaecologist appointment tomorrow and I want to stay fresh." The husband, rejected, turns over and tries to sleep. A few minutes later, he rolls back over and taps his wife again. This time he whispers in her ear: "Do you have a dentist appointment tomorrow too?"

Voodoo dildo
(Here's a great joke to tell a woman you ALREADY have good rapport with or already know well. Notice how it uses embedded commands to get her all hot and horny)

This guy is leaving town on business for a week and he's starting to get a little worried. You see, his wife is a nymphomaniac, and he knows that as soon as he leaves, she'll start to GET VERY HORNY and think to herself, "YOU'VE GOT TO GET SOME". So he goes to the adult toy shop to check out what they've got. And he notices there's an ornately carved wood box behind the counter. So he asks the salesman what it is, and the salesman says, "Oh...that's the voodoo dildo. Here...let me show you." So the salesman opens the box, and there, lying on a bed of red velvet is what looks like an ordinary vibrator. The salesman says, "Watch this! Voodo dildo-door!". The voodoo dildo rises from the box and flies across the room and begins banging like crazy against the keyhole! Before it can break the door down, the salesman says, "Voodoo dildo-box!" and the dildo soars back and gently lands in its box.

Well, needless to say, the guy HAS to have the voodoo dildo! At first the salesman refuses but after an hour of haggling and $1000, the man walks off with the magic dingus. He explains how it works to his wife, and kissing her goodbye, sets off on his trip. Now, she resists using it for two days, but finally, she starts to FEEL THE HORNINESS BUILDING INSIDE. She can't take it anymore, so she opens the box and says, "Voodoo dildo-my pussy!". The voodoo dildo slams into her and begins pumping her in every conceivable position and angle. She can't believe the power and precision; she's getting it with exactly the right strokes, exactly the right angles, exactly the right pressure and she starts to HAVE ORGASM AFTER THUNDERING ORGASM."

After two hours, she can't take it any more, but she can't pull the damn thing out! The harder she tries, the more it seems to change it's shape and adapt to her, to fill her exactly the way she needs to to drive her to WANT IT MORE AND MORE AND MORE WITHOUT STOPPING! She tries calling 911, but they don't believe her! So she decides to drive herself to the hospital. As she's headed down the road, she's moaning in pleasure and desire, because the dildo keeps making her HAVE UNBELIEVABLE ORGASMS. Because she's swerving all over the road, a motocycle cop pulls her over!! The cop wants to know if she's been drinking, and she says, "Officer...I wasn't drinking! It's all because of the voodoo-dildo!"

And the cop says, "Voodoo dildo, my ass!"

Short takes
Q. Why is air a lot like sex?
A. Because it's no big deal unless you're not getting any.

Q. Why did Frosty the Snowman pull down his pants?
A. He heard the snow blower coming.

Q. What's the difference between light and hard?
A. You can sleep with a light on.

Q. Why is sex like a bridge game?
A. You don't need a partner if you have a good hand.

Q. What do a Christmas tree and a priest have in common?
A. Their balls are just for decoration.

Laying Off Mr. Smith owned a small business. He had two employees, Sarah and Jack. They were both extremely good employees - always willing to work overtime and chip in where needed.

Mr. Smith was looking over his books one day and decided that he wasn't making enough money to warrant two employees and he would have to lay one off. But both Sarah and Jack were such good workers he was having trouble finding a fair way to do it. He decided that he would watch them work and the first one to take a break would be the one he would lay off.

So, he sat in his office and watched them work. Suddenly, Sarah gets a terrible headache and needs to take an aspirin. She gets the aspirin out of her purse and goes to the water cooler to get something to wash it down with. Mr. Smith follows her to the water cooler, taps her on the shoulder and says, "Sarah, I'm going to have to lay you or Jack off."

And Sarah says, "Can you jack off? I have a headache!"

The Gift. A young man wanted to purchase a gift for his new sweetheart's birthday, and as they had not been dating very long, after careful consideration, he decided a pair of gloves would strike the right note: romantic, but not too personal. Accompanied by his sweetheart's younger sister, he went to Nordstrom and bought a pair of white gloves. The sister purchased a pair of panties for herself.

During the wrapping, the clerk mixed up the items and the sister got the gloves and the sweetheart got the panties. Without checking the contents, the young man sealed the package and sent it to his sweetheart with the following note:

"I chose these because I noticed that you are not in the habit of wearing any when we go out in the evening. If it had not been for your sister, I would have chosen the long ones with the buttons, but she wears short ones that are easier to remove".

"These are a delicate shade, but the lady I bought them from showed me the pair she had been wearing for the past three weeks and they were hardly soiled. I had her try yours on for me and she looked really good".

"I wish I was there to put them on for you the first time, as no doubt other hands will come in contact with them before I have a chance to see you again".

"When you take them off, remember to blow in them before putting them away as they will naturally be a little damp from wearing".

"Just think how many times I will kiss them during the coming year. I hope you will wear them for me on Friday night. All my love".

"P.S. The latest style is to wear them folded down with a little fur showing."

Italians. A bus stops and two obviously Italian men get on. They seat themselves, and engage in animated conversation. The lady sitting behind them ignores their conversation at first, but her attention is galvanized when she hears one of the men say the following:

"Emma come first. Den I come. Two asses, they come together. I come again. Two asses, they come together again. I pee twice. Then I come once more."

"You foul-mouthed wop swine," retorted the lady indignantly. "In this country we don't talk about our sex lives in public!"

"Hey, cool down lady," said the man. "I was only tellin' my friend here how to spell Mississippi."

Newly Weds. There were these newly weds that were both virgins and nervous about the wedding night. Finally when it came, the wife took off all of her clothes and went under the covers while her husband took off his clothes one by one. First he took off his socks and his toes were messed up. His wife says "What happened to your toes?" He says "I had toelio". She says "You mean polio?", but he said, "No, toelio". Then he takes off his pants and the wife sees that his knees are all banged up and weird. The wife says "What happened to your knees?" He says "I had kneaseles". And she says "You mean measles?" and he says "No, kneaseles". Finally he took off his underwear and she says "Let me guess... small cox?"

The Bet. A little old lady goes to the Bank of Canada one day carrying a bag of money. She insists that she must speak with the President of the bank to open a savings account because it's a lot of money. They finally get her into the president's office and he asks her how much she would like to deposit. She says she has $165,000 and then dumps it out of the bag onto his desk. The president was surprised and of course curious as to how she came by all this cash, so he asks her. The old lad says, "I make bets". The president replies, "Bets? What kind of bets?" and she says, "for example, I'll bet you $25,000 that your balls are square". "Ha!" says the president, "That's a stupid bet, you can never win that kind of bet". The old lady says,"So, would you like to take my bet?" "Sure," says the president, "I'll bet $25,000 that my balls are not square!" The little old lady says "OK, but since there is a lot of money involved is it OK with you if I bring my lawyer with me tomorrow at 10:00 AM to witness?" "Sure" says the president. That night the president got very nervous about the bet and spent a long time in front of a mirror checking his balls, turning from side to side, again and again, thouroughly checking them out until he was sure that there is no way his balls are square and that he will win the bet. The next morning at 10 AM the little old lady appears with her lawyer at the president's office. She introduces the lawyer to the president and repeats the bet, that $25,000 says the president's balls are square. The president agrees with the bet again and the old lady asks him to drop his pants so they can see. The president does this. The little old lady looks closely at his balls and then asks if she can feel them. "Well, OK" says the president, "$25,000 is a lot of money, so I guess you should be absolutely sure". Then he notices that the lawyer is quietly banging his head against the wall and he asks the old lady , "What is wrong with your lawyer?" She replies, "Nothing, except I bet him $100,000 that by 10 AM today I'd have The Bank of Canada's president's balls in my hands!"

The Camel. A Captain in the foreign legion was transferred to a desert outpost. On his orientation tour he noticed a very old, seedy looking camel tied out back of the enlisted men's barracks. He asked the Sergeant leading the tour, "What's the camel for?" The Sergeant replied, "Well sir, it's a long way from anywhere, and the men have natural sexual urges, so when they do, we have the camel." The Captain said "Well, if it's good for morale, then I guess it's all right with me." After he had been at the fort for about 6 months, the Captain could not stand it anymore, so he told his Sergeant, "BRING IN THE CAMEL!!!" The Sarge shrugged his shoulders and led the camel into the Captain's quarters. The Captain got a foot stool and proceeded to have vigorous sex with the camel. As he stepped, satisfied, down from the stool and was buttoning his pants he asked the Sergeant, "Is that how the enlisted men do it?" The Sergeant replied, "Well sir, they usually just use it to ride into town."

Superman. One day Superman is really horny and sees Wonder Woman sunbathing on a beach naked! He gets an idea... "They've always said I'm faster than a speeding bullet and I've always wondered what she'd be like with all her powers. So he zooms down and does her in a flash and is gone before anyone can notice. All of a sudden WonderWoman sits up and says, "What the was that!?!". Then the Invisible Man gets off her and replies, "I don't know but it hurt like hell!"

The Flashing Wife. A guy goes over to his friends house, rings the bell. The wife answers.
"Hi, is Tony home?"
"No, Chris, he went to the store."
"Well, do you mind if I wait?"
"No, come on in."
They sit down and the friend says, "You know Sara, you have the most beautifully shaped breasts I've ever seen. I'd give you a hundred bucks if I could just see one."
Sara thinks about this for a second and figures, what the hell, a hundred bucks is a hundred bucks. She opens her robe and shows him one. He thanks her and promptly throws a hundred bucks on the table.
They sit there a while longer and Chris says, " They are just so beautiful! I've got to see them both. I'll give you another hundred if I could just see them both together."
Sara say what the hell, opens her robe and gives Chris a nice long look. Chris thanks her and throws another hundred bucks on the table and says he can't wait any longer for Tony and leaves.
A while later Tony arrives home and his wife says, "You know, your weird friend Chris came over."
Tony thinks about this for a second and says, "Well, did he drop off the 200 bucks he owes me?"
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Talking about sex

<<< >>>A few words of advice - don't ever start a conversation with a girl with sex, sexual innuendoes etc (there's an exception to this though, see the GM technique which expressly oozes and drips of sexual innuendoes with the false pretence of being humorous and "just kidding":). Don't misunderstand it though, the emphasis is on the word "start".

Its just like with patterns - if you start a conversation with a pattern, you´ll just sound embarrassingly lame. And if you start the conversation with sexual innoendos, you might never get a chance to continue the conversation. Unless you use the GM technique to harvest for girls directly, blatantly and shamelessly interested in sex (see also "The cold approach"), you'd better not take any aspects of the GM technique out of context to use as openers. Unless of course you are playing the Crash and Burn game:)

Steamy topics of discussion are fine, once you've established rapport with a girl, the conversation has been going smooth, her body-language shows interest etc, she's past being comfortable with you, is already into intrigue and maybe even starting to feel a little horny:) Introduce sex, watch her reactions, be sensitive yet bold. Use quotes ("my friend Katie once told me about how she had a quick-fuck from a boy he hardly knew":), you can safely get quite graphic using quotes and she can safely get horny because you're not talking about yourself or her:) But once again, try not to start the conversation with sexual innuendoes, it can be a major turn-off for a girl.

Mystery suggests to avoid sex-talk completely (he deals primarily with the 9-s and 10-s though:). Mystery: "Bringing up sex shows its on your mind and if you were truly a guy who gets girls you wouldn't think about it then. No sex comments. No sex jokes. Go KINO but don't talk sex."

Clifford, Clifford's Seduction Newsletter: "One thing I have noticed is that a lot of women will kind of recoil when you say something a bit too sexual and then, if you pursue it with no apologies, they spring back very positively about the comment. It doesn't happen all the time, and certainly depends on the comment itself, but many women do respond to sexual comments after an initial, what shall we call it, politically correct reaction."

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The Ideal Guy routine

<<< >>>NYC, ASF: "If I can't get her to be interested in me, I go into the "the ideal guy" routine. Since she thinks I'm helping her to find what she wants, she greedily, hungrily describes her dream guy. Then I get her to describe what he's wearing, how his hair looks, how his voice is, what he says to her, how his chest feels, how she feels in his arms... I just ask her the right questions to get her meta-stating ABOUT someone that makes her feel the way she likes to feel in order to fuck. She thinks about and experiences the feelings, but WHO is she talking to? ME. Basically she gets confused and thinks she is feeling that way about me when she is actually feeling that way about some other guy. If she likes HIM, but is talking to YOU, it probably means she doesn't have the GUTS to approach him fearing a rejection. You can get her to think about him all night if you want, and he'll remain a living fantasy to her. Meanwhile... she is getting horny in general AND you are the one making her feel the way she does. Just by being with you and seeing you and hearing you and touching you, she gets these feelings... basically she transfers what she WANTS from the guy over to you.

The other benefit of this style is that girls will admit their horny behaviour when you are NOT talking about yourself and you ARE talking about some movie star or something... for instance:

Me: what would you do if Keanu walked in here right now?
Her: I would seduce him any way I can
Me: what would you do to seduce Keanu?

Next, she spills the beans about what she would do to convince a man she REALLY WANTS to be with her. Getting all hot and bothered along the way of course:) And since you're in the vicinity…:)"

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If you just have to use a pick-up line

<<< >>>Like when you used the 3s rule and now have her attention… but haven't said anything yet and cannot think of anything to say. If you just have to use a pick-up line, introduce it like this: "Hi, I wanna try a pick-up line on you / my friend gave me this crazy collection of pick-up lines, tell me what you think about this one / some of them", then pick one of the following. If she responds (doesn't matter whether its good or bad, just as long as she doesn't completely ignore you), say "Well, here's another one, how 'bout this", then pick another one. At least one of them should get a laugh. Then you can ask what other lines has she heard recently and what's the sleaziest she's ever heard or what's the best she's ever heard. But on the whole, pick-up lines are lame (don't mention that aloud though, you used them to start a conversation with her, remember?:), so change the subject and move onto using a technique of your preference (be it patterns, negging, eliciting values, whatever). So here are some pick-up lines to use as a last-ditch resource (or if you're using the GM technique, to integrate with your style):

•(Delivered rapid-fire fast!) Hi! Do you have a boyfriend? Would you like a better one? Answer the second question first!
•(To a woman in a tight outfit at a party or bar!) Hi! That's a great outfit you're almost wearing!
•(To woman with great legs in any situation!) Excuse, but I just wanted to tell you, if God made anything nicer than your legs (or smile) he's saving it for himself!
•The word of the day is legs. Let's go back to my place and spread the word.
•Let's go back to my place, order some pizza and fuck. *SLAP*. Okay, how about chinese?
•I like every bone in your body, especially mine.
•Nice shoes. Wanna fuck?
•I'm not trying to pressure you. I don't want to have sex without mutual consent. Oh and by the way, you have my consent.
•Let's go to my place and do the things I'll tell everyone we did anyway.
•All those curves, and me with no brakes.
•If I told you you had a beautiful body, would you hold it against me?
•Is it hot in here or is it just you?
•Why don't you sit on my lap and we'll talk about the first thing that pops up.
•Heybabe, I was hoping you could help me out for a sec (pause)? You see a snake just bit my nads and I need you to suck the poison out.
•Can you help me? I have to pee and the doctor said I can't lift anything heavy.
•I like your legs so much I'm going to name them. This one is Christmas and this one is New Years. Can I see you in between the holidays?
•Do you believe in love at first sight...or do I have to walk by again?
•Pardon me, I seem to have lost my phone number. Can I borrow yours?
•If I were to ask you for sex, would your answer be the same as the answer to this question?
•Excuse me, I just noticed you noticing me and I just wanted to give you notice that I noticed you too.
•(As you walk by, turn around and say:) Excuse me, did you just touch my ass? No? Damn!
•Do you know the difference between a hamburger and a blow job? No! Well in that case, d'ya wanna do lunch?
•Excuse me, miss, do you give head to strangers? No. Well, then, allow me to introduce myself.
•Fuck me if I am wrong, but haven't we met before?
•Is it cold in here, or are you just happy to see me? (For the uninitiated - this references to erect nipples and is a redo of the classic Mae West line "Is that a gun in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?":)
•That shirt is very becoming on you, and if I was on you, i'd becumming too!
Remember - most of these can only be used as "examples" of pick-up lines because the lameness, supplication or dirtyness aspects of them are sure to backfire in a majority of cases should you make the mistaken judgement of using them seriously. In certain situations however, some of them are applicable by themselves as well (for example, as part of GM-style or neghits) - but which ones? Well, you be the judge:)

One redeeming quality of most of these pick-up lines however is that they can be used much more effectively to close, not to approach and initiate. Imagine saying "Wanna fuck?" as a first thing to a woman you just met. Now imagine saying "Wanna fuck?" to a woman, who you've been talking to for a while already, getting her intrigued, interested, feeling pleasurable, safe, happy and horny. See the difference:)? So although the general consent among women and pick-up artists alike is that pick-up lines suck - they suck as pick-up lines, but when it comes to closing, you might find yourself using the very same pick-up line you snared at when reading these examples:) Have fun:)

•Shall we talk or continue flirting from a distance?
(in case you caught some of her "signs", but once again, you are better off using anything but a pick-up line to start a conversation).
•What does it feel like to be the most beautiful girl in this room?
(major supplication, but might work if she is cute and not drop-dead gorgeous, see also "Neghits explained")
•You know, you might be asked to leave soon. You're making the other women look really bad.
(same as above)
•You're ugly, but there's something about you that intrigues me.
(to be used on a real drop-dead gorgeous beauty only, see also "Neghits explained")
•What would you do if I kissed you right now?
(not that good for a pick-up line, but a definate step in the right direction in case you've been chatting for a while;)
•Would you like to come to a party in my toolshed?
•Why don't you surprise your roommate and not come home tonight?
•What do you say we go back to my room and do some math: add you and me, subtract our clothes, divide your legs, and multiply.
•Ever tried those weird prickly condoms?
•I think I could fall madly in bed with you.
•Pardon me, but are you a screamer or a moaner?
•Excuse me, but would you like an orally stimulated orgasm?
•"Excuse me, miss, do you give head to strangers?"
"No."
"Well, then, allow me to introduce myself."
•Is that your boyfriend? I think you can do better than that!
•Oh no, I'm choking! I need mouth to mouth, quick!
•Like the look of your crotch.
•Are you as good as they say you are?
•Baby, I got a backstage pass to your ass!
•I wanna put my thingy into your thingy.
•Your place or mine? Tell you what? I'll flip a coin. Head at my place, tail at yours.
•Who's a nice girl like you doing in a place like this?
•"Hi, stare at the floor for a while would ya"
"Why?"
"Because you gonna be staring at the ceiling for a week."
•You are so beautiful that I would crawl ten miles on my hands and knees through broken glass just to jerk off in your shadow.
•You are so beautiful I'd drag my balls through a mile of broken glass, followed by a mile of hot coals just to sniff the tire tracks of the laundry truck that takes your panties to the cleaners.
•You are so beautiful I'd drag my balls through a mile of barbed wire just to suck the cock that screwed you last.
•Hi, do you know any good opening lines? [wow, that was tame!]
And now, for your enjoyment, some rebuttals women might use on you if you make the mistake of using the above pick-up lines the AFC way - trying to win her graces with the supplicative ones while actually making her just plain bored and sick, or trying to get her to have sex with you on the spot with the dirty ones while actually earning a slap in the face. See "Dealing with rejection" on how to cope with situations like these from the male perspective:)

He: I'd like to call you. What's your number?
She: It's in the phone book.
He: But I don't know your name.
She: That's in the phone book too.

Q: Wha'dya say to a little fuck?
A: Go away, little fuck.

He: So what do you do for a living?
She: Female impersonator.

Her, after hearing a pick-up line:
"I liked your approach. Now let's see your departure."

_______________________________________________________________________________

NATHAN SZILARD EXPLAINS ORIGN OF GM STYLE

Hm trying to recollect what I forgot to mention in my
earlier post.

He makes it clear right away that he wants sex.
He explained it to me. He does not really understand
what is going on, me thinks.

He does not compliment.

I explained him the concept of neg hit; he disagreed ...
YET HE DOES IT ALL THE TIME. Well, it's not NEGs, it's more
like 'vannes' as I explained once, that's to say, taking
the piss on her. So he fuct that german yesterday, and
before that, made a few (light) jokes about germans,
then 'apologized' by hugging/kissing her.

He takes every opportunity to go kino. I've already mentioned
that.

He claims that he does not act the same with every woman.
I asked him about some place that's packed with model-types
full-bitch-shielded types, how do you handle that I asked,
and he said, "You don't get it, you don't do the same thing
there, I'll explain you later "

He asks boring question, name, job, then joke on it, and
when I say JOKE, I mean FUCKING LAME jokes.

To a german: "you speak german really well!"
To a japanese: "you speak japanese really well!"
To an italian: "you speak italian really well!"

Original, heh? And on top of that he said it several times
to the same girl. "You really speak german well! LOL ".

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Sun Sep 5 21:48:25 1999
From: Nathan SZILARD
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: LAY REPORT: GRAND MASTER FLASH
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 05:35:52 +0200
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Fuck.

So I met the Grand Master tonight. For the first time we had a real
conversation ... and went PU as wingmen. Shit, I did'nt hear his
openings. He first engages those two UGs. As per already reported, he
does plenty of dirty jokes. He does'nt give a fuck.

"I'm worried cause I'm going to the Hospital tomorrow. (Really?
Why?) I'm gonna have surgery (Err ... what's wrong?) Well ...
mine's too long [gesture] and I have to have it cut down
LOTFL!!!"

[putting his arms around both of them] "So what's it like to be with
such a beautiful bloke tonite? LOL!"

Stuff like that for like, 20 minutes.

The UGs go along pretty well at first, then get attitude and diss us. We
claim it's my birthday, so let's have champagne at my place (I live
round the corner). One of them seems ok with it. The other definitely
won't. He keeps insisting, BUT without supplication. "What? You have the
opportunity to be with two incredibly good looking guys and that's what
you do? I can't believe it! LOL"

Plenty, I mean, plenty of shameless kino action (butt, legs, hair,
arms).

We don't get nowhere, so he wants to teach them a lesson: he approaches
another 2-set. Slightly better looking, well quite fuckable actually.
One of them, Spanish, seems rather reluctant to his sexual innuendo, I
would have stopped right away personally, BUT he persists. Some of the
same stuff. They don't want to come with us, they have an appointment.
He Smoothes: "So where's your appointment? -- at X -- Ok, let's go!" And
we go. Passing by the UGs, he shows them that we score. They're pissed
off!

Go to the meeting point. Talk with stupid japanese tourists, I speak a
little japanese with them, we make fun of them, take pics, I try to kiss
the german chick. She's reluctant.

They have to go call their friends. At that point, we think that they
won't come back. Well too bad. Err no! They come back. So what are your
friends doing? They're not coming! Ok, let's have some champagne.

Apparently, they did'nt understand that it was at my place. When we're
about to enter the building, they're REALLY reluctant. Hey, let's just
have some champagne at my place and we'll go out somewhere afterwards
(big lie, everything's gonna close soon). He insists, still absolutely
non supplicatingly. They finally agree, BUT only for a short time --
yeah right.

At my place, champagne, fluff talk. At my place, I launch the computer
and the pic viewing program. We see pics of both of us with plenty of
girls. Then he talks shamelessly (to me, not to them, as if he's NOT
trying to impress them) about all the girls he meets. How barmen in bars
around here are REALLY jealous. He goes on an ego trip for 20 mins. He
used not to like me (as I reported) but finds that we have a connection
(no, really?).

"Let's talk about something else, that convos' boring, he says, ... sex
for example"

I do some minor patterning and applied NLP. For instance, I say to the
Italian chick "When he says DICK you should not think about SEX. I don't
want you to make a picture in your mind of a PENIS" He laughs.

All the time, this has been really light, no stalling, he does not
really try to get their attention, he restarts conversation with some
light joke, well HEAVY joke about sex. The UGs were laughing all the
time, these ones were just smiling but still ...

He goes into heavy kino with the german. He tells me, quickly, "faut
qu't'ai les mains balladeuses" -- IOW, get kino, stoopid! In front of
them. Not loud, not meant for them to be heard, but they could still.

So I start kino. I don't know how, he gets the german to follow him in
the kitchen. They fluff talk. I kino on the italian and she does'nt
complain. I go in some patterning, talk about music and on stage stuff,
how you can be fascinating by someone blah blah. Kiss her. Ok. He then
gets the german in my bedroom. I put the italian on the couch. Heavy
petting. Fingering. She's fucking WET.

Heavy petting for quite a long time, but she does'nt want to go full
way. "You must think I'm stupid" she says. She's never slept with a guy
so quickly. I nod. After 15 mins, I take her to my room,
authoritatively. Condom. Remove panties. Fuck.

Before I've been able to cum, Grand Master comes in the room,
shamelessly, "Ah but you're naked LOL" he says to me. He kisses my chick
good bye. She's fucking embarassed. "I have to see M. Good bye" he tells
me. M. is another chick. Big grin on his face. No more fuck with the
italian. She's sitting on the bed, looking in the void. Damn, that was
embarassing.

She has to see what the german is up to. She's left. Italian chick
leaves. "Well ... see you soon." she says. And goes.

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Sun Sep 5 23:03:47 1999
From: Nathan SZILARD
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Grand Master update
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 02:12:48 +0200
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So I saw him tonite. He told me how thinks exactly happened:
actually, when he took the german chick away, he told her that
WE (the spanish girl and I) wanted to be alone. "What do you mean?"
she asked "are you blind or something? you can't see what they're
up to? or you want to watch them? do you know how embarassing
it is when people want to be alone and there's someone watching?"
And that was it. So he took her away. There we (the spanish and
I) thought they were fucking -- but they were'nt ... yet. And
of course, the thought that they were fucking made OUR fucking
happen (social proof!) And then he took her away back to HIS
place, where, social proof applied back AND she fucked him!

(The funny part being, she was of the anal type, and
preferred to be sodomized ... she even asked him to be
violent with him!!!!)

Shit. That guy is a-ma-zing. That's the most brilliant use
of social proof I've seen so far.

Also, his opening was: "I dig you". Hm . He despises guys
who do BSing. And then he told them that he was unfaithful
and that they could have him for one night, maybe two,
but never more. Don't even think about it!

That guy is FUCKING STRAIGHTFORWARD.

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Sun Sep 5 23:06:18 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Grand Master update
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On 1 Sep 1999 16:12:53 GMT, Nathan SZILARD wrote:
| |The principle probably works,
| | but there has to be a covert way to say or express this. I can't seem to
| | find one right now though.
|
| He's NEVER covert.

But he can get away with ANYTHING ... because he's "just kidding".

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Sun Sep 5 23:46:29 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: GM round 2 -- 2 #close
Date: 1 Sep 1999 09:15:25 GMT
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"Can I sit there? Is it ok, ain't I too sexy? You won't get too
horny if I sit in front of you?"

This was an opening line.

He does awesome lots of negations! It's too funny!

He does funny time distortions: I approach that girl who
happened to have a job as a door-to-door salesperson. So he
explains how when she would ring the door, he would open in
a sexy lingerie, and would then make love to her.

I saw him work the magic, again, we could'nt fuck close, but we
# closed, and he got one additional number.

Several times in front of them he mentioned his girlfriend, but
in a funny way.

He mentioned the date he was going to have sunday with the girl
he had # closed earlier.

Joke: "I like you because you are really intelligent" (gesture around
his breasts while saying 'intelligent').

HE starts complimenting, then end taking the piss of them.

Penis jokes.

Penis jokes ...

Mine's longer than yours ...

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Sun Sep 5 23:47:30 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: GM round 2 -- 2 #close
Date: 1 Sep 1999 16:09:23 GMT
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On Wed, 01 Sep 1999 15:32:03 GMT, whoisthis19@my-deja.com

wrote:
| I've asked woman this; Why did you fuck that guy? Most of em say
| because he was funny and could make me laugh. I'm very impressed with
| these crib notes Nathan. These really are lines of humor I could use
| and seriously I'd use some of his jokes. I'm still waiting to use the;
| "Debby? I havent done a Debby in awhile."
|
| Quiestions Havent you seen woman turn him off? I mean he's in many
| woman's opinion a sleaze ball and a good way to get STDs. Dont

He always mentions the fact that he uses condoms. Actually in one
instance he indirectly asked her one.

| woman just ignore him or get up and leave? He's got to get quite a few
| woman really annoyed with him before he hits on a couple that are game.

Actually, that has'nt happened yet. And I'm as surprised by
it as you must be -- esp. given the fact that the places where
he operates women are hit on about 12 times a minute.

| Does he? Is he a frenchman? Are his targets tourists?

No. Yes. Not only: the girls we saw yesterday were french
students. Not parisians, though.

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep 6 00:40:42 1999
From: Nathan SZILARD
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: GM openings
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We got sit next to two UGs. Talk for a few minutes. Take the
beer bottle on their table, read the label, put it back and
say "I can't stand shy women". "We're not shy!" one says.
"What? We've been here for 10 minutes and you have'nt
talked to us yet!"

Thought of this one: a cutie smiles to me furtively (she was with
mom) while I was walking in the street. Barely 17, but oh so cute.
Hypothetical opening: turn back, "Hey! What does that mean? You
smiled to me and you did'nt even talk to me!"

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep 6 01:23:34 1999
From: Nathan SZILARD
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Awesome Sexual Joke PU
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Ah, sounds like GM's jokes. Good!

Mike a ?crit:
>
> This is one thing, among many, that I used to pick up a HB on thursday.
>
> We were both spending the day in a meeting, relaxed atmosphere. We had
> never seen each other before and would likely not see each other again.
> At first I didn't get much reaction from her, so I just kept cool and
> casually negged her whenever the opportunity came up.
>
> Then I stared a little kino, with the negging.
>
> Then, I told her this joke. This joke was originally told to me last
> year by a famous actor, whom I probably shouldn't name. I didn't realize
> the potentcy of this joke until yesterday. Here goes:
>
> Quest:--What did Cinderella do when she got to the ball?
>
> Answ:--(make a gagging sound -try it).
>
> Why is this great? First of all, because it is FUNNY, I've always had a
> good response by it, and second of all, because for them to undertand
> it, they have to think about it, and DO THE SOUND (it's because
> Cinderella is gagging on the guy's cock, for those who haven't figured
> it out by now). Also, it's perfectly normal to tell jokes when you're
> basically there waiting for something to happen. The negging that I did
> just put me in a receptive light with her. This seemingly harmless
> joke just opens the door for more jokes. Follow it up with sexual jokes
> if you can, like this one:
>
> Quest:--What's blue and creamy?
>
> Answ:--Smurf cum.
>
> Regardless of whether they think these jokes are gross or not, they
> still laugh, and the humor and the sexual feelings are linked to you.
> Now you gotta keep going to capitalize on this.
>
> What I did was the incredible connection pattern, the attraction
> pattern, then some negation, and quotes combined with negation. I had
> her by the incredible connection pattern, so getting sexual with the
> negation and quotes was no problem. Then I illicited her values, and
> then asked her if she had ever had an orgasm. Then I had her
> re-experience the orgasm through skillful description and linked it to
> me. I tell you, I may have gotten some action that night, but I didn't
> want to wait around for an extra hour and look like and AFC, waiting for
> her to finish. I got her number of course.
>
> Opinions? Nathan? NYC? Dans? Odius?
>
> Mike.

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep 13 23:47:51 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Skill Building: GM exercises
Date: 7 Sep 1999 08:41:56 GMT
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Are you ready to get laid twice a day?

Okay here are your exercise for the week: approach 4 women a week,
preferrably pairs thereof, and put the following in the conversation
-- only, in a humorous way! And every time she looks vexed by the
insult, hug her and kiss her and tell her "you're just kidding".

-- I'm organizing an orgy for my friend's birthday. Wanna come?
-- I like you because you're intelligent .
I like myself because I'm intelligent, too .
-- If you're nice enough I will lick you.
-- How does it feel like to be with (one|two) handsome blokes?
-- My friend's jealous bc mine is bigger
-- Look, we have to go (to her place) now because I have a date in 2
hours. No we can't go to my place because I have a friend sleeping
there.
-- Hide your pleasure!
-- I love myself sooo much I can't leave myself alone.
-- I wish I could split myself in 5 GM so that I could please all
the women.

So try that kind of stuff and report. Oh yeah, and never forget that
your aim is to drag her to a private corner to put your willie
inside. Nothign else.

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep 13 23:54:24 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: More lines and IMPORTANT things was Re: Skill Building: GM exercises
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Ok some more lines:

-- if you buy me a drink, you might get lucky tonite
-- I can't please every girl but I'll give you a chance tonite
-- women are lining up to be with me
-- it's tough to be such a sex symbol
-- are'nt you going to get too horny if I sit next to you?

OKAY ONE IMPORTANT THING: you'd think that he gets blown off
every time he says something that stupid, right? YES HE WOULD!!
He would IF he did'nt say "JUST KIDDING " before she has
a chance to reply.

Psychologically speaking, since she does not have the time to
reply negatively, she's somewhat agreeing. It's rather obvious
when you see it happening.

If she starts replying negatively, he cuts her down by saying,
"yeah I like to say stupid things, life's too short not to have
fun" or "I like to act like a little kid -- I'm a kid".

On 7 Sep 1999 08:41:56 GMT, Nathan SZILARD wrote:
| Are you ready to get laid twice a day?
|
| Okay here are your exercise for the week: approach 4 women a week,
| preferrably pairs thereof, and put the following in the conversation
| -- only, in a humorous way! And every time she looks vexed by the
| insult, hug her and kiss her and tell her "you're just kidding".
|
| -- I'm organizing an orgy for my friend's birthday. Wanna come?
| -- I like you because you're intelligent .
| I like myself because I'm intelligent, too .
| -- If you're nice enough I will lick you.
| -- How does it feel like to be with (one|two) handsome blokes?
| -- My friend's jealous bc mine is bigger
| -- Look, we have to go (to her place) now because I have a date in 2
| hours. No we can't go to my place because I have a friend sleeping
| there.
| -- Hide your pleasure!
| -- I love myself sooo much I can't leave myself alone.
| -- I wish I could split myself in 5 GM so that I could please all
| the women.
|
| So try that kind of stuff and report. Oh yeah, and never forget that
| your aim is to drag her to a private corner to put your willie
| inside. Nothign else.
|
| --
| Don't ask me personal seduction questions, please post to the group.
| ASF's practical FAQ and newbie starting point:
| http://metabork.fr.eu.org/~nathan/
|

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep 13 23:55:06 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More lines and IMPORTANT things was Re: Skill Building: GM exercises
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On Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:18:35 GMT, LordGaeden@hotmail.com
wrote:
| He hugs them after his first line already? How can he get away with
| intruding their personal space so early on? I would guess that doing
| that would repulse the girls even more.

There is some progression, of course. But remember that he hugs
just after a BIG neg. Hence the invasion is masked by the embarassment
cause by the insult.

| > Psychologically speaking, since she does not have the time to
| > reply negatively, she's somewhat agreeing. It's rather obvious
| > when you see it happening.
| >
| > If she starts replying negatively, he cuts her down by saying,
| > "yeah I like to say stupid things, life's too short not to have
| > fun" or "I like to act like a little kid -- I'm a kid".
|
| And then what does he do? He just keeps making sex-jokes, or he walks
| away?

No he carries on.

| Does GM constantly talks to the girl(s) he wants, or does he chat, walk
| off, come back later to follow up?

He's really persistent.

| Does GM get 10s?

There's a picture of a 18 yo girl he fucked in the lounge. She's
IMO close to 10. (The blonde one sitting at a caf?)

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 00:10:58 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
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On Wed, 08 Sep 1999 23:36:57 GMT, mr.morg wrote:
| OK these are both very powerful, SO COVER UR NUTS OR THEY MAY BE CRUSHED!
|
| " heybabe, I was hoping you could help me out for a sec ? You see a
| snake just bit my nads and i need you to suck the poison out"

From GM: "Are you hands clean? -- Yeah -- Ok, could you hold my for
Status: O

me while I'm peeing?"

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 00:30:29 1999
From: Nathan SZILARD
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Subject: GM 8th Sept: porn style action
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Sit at the regular cafe. He engages a single girl. I see him,
go do some stuff. She was waiting for someone. We engage
another one. Really cute, finnish. But she was waiting for
her bad boy. GM is smooth: a guy had just been rejected 10s
before. He complains about that shit (AFCs hitting on girls)
that fuck his approach. Approach another two set. We're getting
nowhere. He asks them for a piece of paper. On it he write:
8:30 - 0
8:45 - 0
9:00 - 0
9:15 - ?
LOL
Every time we do the 'it's his birthday' gimmick. Works
fine to get whatever you want, as you will see.
We approach another two: they're really cute. But one of
them is bitchy and fucks it up -- the cutest one could
be almost for it. As they don't go with the program he gets
even more direct -- explains his philosophy: take no prisoners,
err phone numbers, I have that many women, etc ... The cuter
one is fascinated. We offer one last time to go to my place
to celebrate my birthday with champagne, they don't say no
but the bitchy one bitches -- slightly. He ejects -- in a
'you can't fire me cause I quit' way, he's really proud of
it.

To retaliate we engage two merkins in front of them. He's not
too direct with them. After 45 min we go to my place to dirnk
champagne. One of them is somewhat cute, fully pierce, I would
have thought she was a lesbian. The other one is shy and a
bit too fat for my taste. He leaves me the fat one claiming
it's gonna be easier. Not! He takes MsPiercing back to the
bedroom. I pattern the fat one and get a hand job on her
nice titties, but no more. The bitch is wet but it's not in
her standard. That was long to get though. She leaves,
feeling uncomfortable. In the mean time GM has fucked (PIV and
ass) MsPiercing. We go back to the living room, and have a nice
chit chat, and I'm surprised at how natural it is. GM is
pissed off bc he wanted to swap. So he asks to suck my dick
as my birthday present. No. So he gets her to show me her titties,
(pierced), then later undresses her, feels her up, I do the
same, she sucks my dick while he fucks her. She confessed to
me that she liked me more (?) -- that's happened before 2
days ago, it's probably the good cop / bad cop thingie.

Anyway, she's really comfortable with it. He claims to have
un stucked her. Could be believed. Have to know how he does
that. Full porn action. Cool. The girl is a really good fuck.
Nice body. Nice pierced titties. Slim.

He's leaving with her to get her to bring a friend tomorrow.
He wants that foursome thing. I find the idea of a girl
bringing in that 'trap' rather interesting. GM gets her to
agree that the fat one missed a good fuck -- two good fucks
actually, he says. She agrees.

---

Approach he had used: I go tell a girl that my friend is
pissed off that she did'nt say hello to him, despite the
fact they've met before.

---

Oh yeah another interesting one: while we were fluffing
the two chicks at my place, one of them mentions the fact
that we have the morning pill in France, but not yet in
the US. GM: "You won't need it tonite, we always use condoms.
LOL Just kidding".

As he gets into 'rapport' with the girls, I've noticed, he
gets more and more direct, sometimes completely omitting
the 'just kidding' part.

Talk about being straightforward.

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On Thu, 09 Sep 1999 13:45:07 GMT, whoisthis19@my-deja.com

wrote:
| In article <37D715B0.33FFAF61@metabork.fr.eu.org>,
| Nathan SZILARD wrote:
| > Sit at the regular cafe. He engages a single girl. I see him,
| > go do some stuff. She was waiting for someone. We engage
| > another one. Really cute, finnish. But she was waiting for
| > her bad boy. GM is smooth: a guy had just been rejected 10s
| > before.
|
| You mean rejection doesnt phase him a bit and he just keeps on plugging
| away?

I don't get it? A guy approached her lamely. He does his
stuff anyway.

| > He complains about that shit (AFCs hitting on girls)
| > that fuck his approach.
|
| Complains to you or to the targets?

To me. He always complains about AFCs fucking up his approach.
Vultures. He also claims that he has to reprogram women for the
others: with all that ass-licking they feel too important.
Hopefully he's here to change that for the next guys to come
on them :)

| > Approach another two set. We're getting
| > nowhere. He asks them for a piece of paper. On it he write:
| > 8:30 - 0
| > 8:45 - 0
| > 9:00 - 0
| > 9:15 - ?
| > LOL
| > Every time we do the 'it's his birthday' gimmick. Works
| > fine to get whatever you want, as you will see.
|
| God damn what an easy and effective gimmic!

Yeah, and even if it's an overused one, we don't give
a damn shit.

| > We approach another two: they're really cute. But one of
| > them is bitchy and fucks it up -- the cutest one could
| > be almost for it. As they don't go with the program he gets
| > even more direct -- explains his philosophy: take no prisoners,
| > err phone numbers, I have that many women, etc ... The cuter
| > one is fascinated. We offer one last time to go to my place
| > to celebrate my birthday with champagne, they don't say no
| > but the bitchy one bitches -- slightly. He ejects -- in a
| > 'you can't fire me cause I quit' way, he's really proud of
| > it.
| >
| > To retaliate we engage two merkins in front of them.
|
| Did the Merkins see you talking to the bitchy one and her friend and SEE
| you eject?

Actually, yeah. GM claimed they were friend of ours.

| >He's not
| > too direct with them. After 45 min we go to my place to dirnk
| > champagne.
|
| We're they into the birthday excuse or were they going there to get
| laid. When does GM make the "come to my place" move? How far is your
| place from the cafes?

"N., does that champagne offer still stand?"
"Sure, GM, I promised you we'd have some of that really good one!
Hey girls, wanna drink some really good champagne?"
"Where?"
"At my place"
"He lives just round the corner"

And then he insists a little bit. Like, not bully style, but
he keeps asking the question, every 1 or 2 mins.

My place is really close from the caf? -- that's actually the reason
why he does that with me! Yes, he uses me. I don't give a damn shit:
I'm using him too.

| > I pattern the fat one and get a hand job on her
| > nice titties, but no more. The bitch is wet but it's not in
| > her standard. That was long to get though. She leaves,
| > feeling uncomfortable. In the mean time GM has fucked (PIV and
| > ass)
|
| PIV?

Penis In Vagina

| MsPiercing. We go back to the living room, and have a nice
| > chit chat, and I'm surprised at how natural it is. GM is
| > pissed off bc he wanted to swap. So he asks to suck my dick
| > as my birthday present. No.
|
| Is HE BI? or was this just a joke? or did you leave out the word "her"

No he's not bi, he asked HER of course.

| > So he gets her to show me her titties,
| > (pierced), then later undresses her, feels her up, I do the
| > same, she sucks my dick while he fucks her. She confessed to
| > me that she liked me more (?) -- that's happened before 2
| > days ago, it's probably the good cop / bad cop thingie.
|
| Damn this is erotic. alt.sex.stories.true lol
|
| > Anyway, she's really comfortable with it. He claims to have
| > un stucked her. Could be believed. Have to know how he does
| > that.
|
| No kidding! He's got to have a good technique in bed.
|
| > Full porn action. Cool. The girl is a really good fuck.
| > Nice body. Nice pierced titties. Slim.
| >
| > He's leaving with her to get her to bring a friend tomorrow.
| > He wants that foursome thing. I find the idea of a girl
| > bringing in that 'trap' rather interesting. GM gets her to
| > agree that the fat one missed a good fuck -- two good fucks
| > actually, he says. She agrees.
|
| I see GM taking the lead in most of this but I'm sure your doing things
| too. I'll bet GM is more effective with you as a wingman than he was
| alone. What kind of things do you do?

I don't do much! Actually I think that most of the time I'd rather
shut up than break stuff. Sometimes he tells me what to say, or
gets nervous bc I'm too quiet. He's really sarcastic whenever
I say something too common or not funny or negative -- which I
hardly ever do anyway.

| In cafes do you approach woman who are having dinner or just killing
| time having coffee? Are woman used to being approached in these places.

Any woman.

| Here it would be unusual, unacceptable and GM would get thrown out of
| any cafe here.

Look, it's really simple: he knows the bartenders by their name, they
know what he's up to. Actually most of them are jealous and act
like vultures, and fuck up his approach from time to time. But no
violence.

And no, me thinks you are being too cautious here. If you are making
them laugh, nobody will think you're bothering them.

| > Approach he had used: I go tell a girl that my friend is
| > pissed off that she did'nt say hello to him, despite the
| > fact they've met before.
|
| How did it work out?

She got puzzled, did'nt believe me, looked at him. I went back
to sit down, he went up, chatted her, but she was leaving for
the theatre or something.

| > Oh yeah another interesting one: while we were fluffing
| > the two chicks at my place, one of them mentions the fact
| > that we have the morning pill in France, but not yet in
| > the US. GM: "You won't need it tonite, we always use condoms.
| > LOL Just kidding".
|
| This is so useful because I hate dancing around the condom/venerial
| disease issue. He finds ways to joke about it. Maybe what I just said
| is key. He says what he wants to say and asks for what he wants but
| always with humor. Do you find him funny? Do the woman laugh at his
| jokes?

YES THEY DO! THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT! IT'S IN-CRE-DIBLE --
BUT THEY LAUGH!!!!

| > As he gets into 'rapport' with the girls, I've noticed, he
| > gets more and more direct, sometimes completely omitting
| > the 'just kidding' part.
| >
| > Talk about being straightforward.
|
| God! NOOOOOO SHIT!!! Remeber when you said he just talked to a gal for
| about 20 seconds and she left with him? Did you ever get the story
| behind that? Did he just go up and ask her to fuck? That was in a
| disco wasnt it?

Not 20sec, 5 mins. But still. Not a disco, a cafe/bar. He did'nt ASK
for a fuck -- he never ASKS he offers CHANCES. And she was laughing.
I don't know what he did to her - he did'nt remember exactly (how
could he?)

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 00:40:55 1999
From: Nathan SZILARD
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whoisthis19@my-deja.com a ?crit:

> > To me. He always complains about AFCs fucking up his approach.
> > Vultures. He also claims that he has to reprogram women for the
> > others: with all that ass-licking they feel too important.
> > Hopefully he's here to change that for the next guys to come
> > on them :)
>
> He makes an excellant point about HBs feeling too important that sounds
> like mystery. He seems to be a natural. I wonder if he went through an
> AFC phase once?

Indeed. And it's mostly a problem with the most beautiful girls --
but not all. Mystery knows how to disarm them, but STILL, it's
fucking tough. GM routes against that by surprising them with
his approach; however they can be quick to put themselves back
in that position.

And here I have an interesting thought: I have the impression that
sometimes they catch themselves in this habit; you have something
to offer (that's basically what GM says all the time), and you
sense that they almost fall for it, BUT they're so used to bitching
and feeling important and 'winning' -- whatever it means -- that
they do the same old program again.

Interesting GM thing: one woman claimed that we were on our
battle field. He denied the term 'battle' -- no one loses. We all
win. Pleasure.

> > | Did the Merkins see you talking to the bitchy one and her friend and
> SEE
> > | you eject?
> >
> > Actually, yeah. GM claimed they were friend of ours.
>
> Hell of a good line. Know something Nathan?
>
> (True confession time)
> A couple hours ago I was thinking of using GMs lines but then thought;
> "It wont be natural, It's not my style, it will come off akward and wont
> work... I have my own style and should just modifie it..." Know what my
> next thought was? "Listen Greg, You play guitar in differant styles,
> how did you learn those styles? It's not something your born with - you
> learn it - practice it and it becomes so natural that when people hear
> you play they think it is a part of you." In a nut shell - nothing is
> written in stone. I can change my style with practice.
>
> So...
>
> About 10 minutes ago I got done trying a PU on two diferant chicks over
> lunch at a local bar. (both were 6s but worthy) I stuck to using GM
> jokes and his frame of referance. I've tested it and this stuff works!

And surprisingly so. You don't get rejected as you would expect --
when you think about it, to reject something, you have to know what
it is. When you've heard one particular line a thousand times, you
know what it means, what it is, what it aims at ... When GM approaches
she's here, wondering what the fuck is going on ... it's so
outrageous, she can't react in a predetermined way.

> It was at the point I was feeling a little guilty because one was a
> real sweet heart and I just wanted to fall back to being nice and
> letting her talk about her boyfriend - but when I did - Instantly I

Yeah, we all make that mistake. When I tend to fall in this, lately,
I remember that coworker of a friend, who looks soooooo innocent
and pure, and gets fuct by at least 3 guys every day, possibly
at the same time.

> could see it was a mistake so I'd come off with; "I gotta get an
> operation tommorrow..." and she be back in the; "Your so bad" and
> hitting me... It was easy and she made sure to give me her phone number!
> I didnt even ask! So now I have a hot call to make!

Ah!

Look, folks, please apply it! And report!

> This experiment tells me to memorise every one of these lines. They are
> killer! Pure gold! Please keep sharing. These are powerful jokes.
> Funny how the one who gave me her phone number kept saying she loved
> sense of humor. I thought the jokes weren't funny at all. I was just
> mouthing words and she was laughing. I couldnt believe it. The other
> one had to go but she fell right into talking about sex. WOW!
>
> Some lines I havent tried and am thinking of what her obvious response
> would be and what would be the recovery for it. For example;
>
> ME: Debby? I havent done a Debby in awhile heheheheh
> Her: Embarressed silence
> ME: ??????
>
> How does he recover in those situations?

He does NOT HAVE TO. They don't go into an embarassed silence. They
go 'what the fuck ...' or surprised and laughing, and anyway, before
they can express anything he touches them and go 'just kidding'.

> In fact any more lines, recoveries, ect... is pure gold to me. Thanks
> Nathan.
>
> >
> > | >He's not
> > | > too direct with them. After 45 min we go to my place to dirnk
> > | > champagne.
> > |
> > | We're they into the birthday excuse or were they going there to get
> > | laid. When does GM make the "come to my place" move? How far is
> your
> > | place from the cafes?
> >
> > "N., does that champagne offer still stand?"
> > "Sure, GM, I promised you we'd have some of that really good one!
> > Hey girls, wanna drink some really good champagne?"
> > "Where?"
> > "At my place"
> > "He lives just round the corner"
> >
> > And then he insists a little bit. Like, not bully style, but
> > he keeps asking the question, every 1 or 2 mins.
>
> In this respect me and him are alot the same. I'm goal oriented and
> once I've softened her up enough to start inferring this way I stick to
> it. Still your lead in was excellant and the way he handled it after
> that was killer!!

Yeah it's really important. Bring them to a private place ASAP. A place
where you can fuck them. Where they don't have to think about all those
things, what to avoid etc.

> > And no, me thinks you are being too cautious here. If you are making
> > them laugh, nobody will think you're bothering them.
>
> Have you been to a Denny's, Country Kitchen, Cracker Barrel? That's
> what I'm thinking of. Maybe you mean resturants with bars? AHHH!!!!
> Now I see! Am I right?

I don't know what you're talking about. I'm talking typical parisian
caf?.

> > | > Oh yeah another interesting one: while we were fluffing
> > | > the two chicks at my place, one of them mentions the fact
> > | > that we have the morning pill in France, but not yet in
> > | > the US. GM: "You won't need it tonite, we always use condoms.
> > | > LOL Just kidding".
> > |
> > | This is so useful because I hate dancing around the condom/venerial
> > | disease issue. He finds ways to joke about it. Maybe what I just
> said
> > | is key. He says what he wants to say and asks for what he wants but
> > | always with humor. Do you find him funny? Do the woman laugh at
> his
> > | jokes?
> >
> > YES THEY DO! THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT! IT'S IN-CRE-DIBLE --
> > BUT THEY LAUGH!!!!
>
> Your right. As I told the jokes I couldnt believe they laughed.

Yep. When I first listened to his stuff, snooping over the girls
shoulder, I could'nt believe what he was saying -- I actually
thought at some point that he was talking bullshit in order to
lead me into a dead end!!! LOL!!!

> > Not 20sec, 5 mins. But still. Not a disco, a cafe/bar. He did'nt ASK
> > for a fuck -- he never ASKS he offers CHANCES. And she was laughing.
> > I don't know what he did to her - he did'nt remember exactly (how
> > could he?)
>
> cafe/bar! I see... ok we got those here. They always look so dead
> maybe cause I go to these places to actually eat food not pussy. :-)

Yeah but they're perfect for his approach.

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 01:26:07 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Mr. GrandMaster
Date: 13 Sep 1999 09:14:32 GMT
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On Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:25:26 GMT, thomas_gj@my-deja.com

wrote:
| Dear Group - dear Nathan
|
| I really want to hear more about this GrandMaster.
| I'm more like a NiceGuy, but not in the classical way. I mean, I don't
| have these NiceGuy problems.
|
| Still, though, I'm feeling drawn to this GM-stuff. It seems he is
| really confident and won't take any crap from women - I like that,
| 'cause there's so much of it.
|
| But about him: Isn't it some sort of numbers game, when he plays? Can
| he only get one sort of women?
|
| I know some women, that's very confident and mature themselves, and I
| have a hard time believing that they want to be around someone so
| arrogant and selfish as GM. I think they would give him the finger and
| don't even think about him for 2 sec.
|
| But still...I AM feeling drawn, I do believe on some level that
| something is right about what the GM does.
|
| So Nathan: Will it only work on some type of women? Is it a numbers
| game? Will it work on mature, confident women?

It's not just a number games. I has to though. I can explain why:
lately, we have met roughly about five 8-9 that we could have orgied
with ... problem? They were with a bitch. Usually less good looking.

Yesterday night, there was that 19 yo californian, OH MY GAWD titties,
they were pointing like crazy, you could tell she was wet and horny,
she was laughing like there was no tomorrow, AND she wanted (she told
us) to go back to my place with GM and I .... BUT (and I hate big
butts, and I cannot lie! ah ah) her 17 yo sister was NOT! So they
argued in front of us, but the 17 yo bitch won.

So the conditions always render the the thing a number game; because
we're on the program of fucking ON THE SPOT, closing to FUCK in 1
hour max, and we don't want to deal with phone #.

| Look, I have so many questions...If you can get a feeling of my
| situation, what I want to know about this GM, please write a letter
| about it...On this group, or to me in personal.

Look guy, why don't you go to deja.com, do a powersearch and read
my posts from the last 2 weeks?

You should be set.

|
| My email: gjedde@usa.net
|
| Thomas, Denmark
|
| Mindlist@egroups.com is a great group, I think. Why don't any of
| you join!?
|
|
|
| Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
| Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 01:27:58 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
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On Mon, 13 Sep 1999 02:41:34 -0700, Brandon Van Every
wrote:

| > I know some women, that's very confident and mature themselves, and I
| > have a hard time believing that they want to be around someone so
| > arrogant and selfish as GM. I think they would give him the finger and
| > don't even think about him for 2 sec.
|
| Your instincts are correct.

Is that your uninformed opinion? Ah ah ah ah!!! What a joke.

Saturday I had lunch with that 9ish, feminist, political science student.
Tall. Big tits. Nice ass. She had LJBFed me last year. So I tell her
the truth about what I'm doing. Explain her the concept of GM. What
we do. What he says. She claims he's a freak (which I genuinely think
he is), that only stupid women would fall for it.

Yeah right. From then on I started playing GM style. Joke on the
size of my willie. On how so many woman want my body. And that kind
of crap.

She laughed every time. She never ever said I was gross.

So here you go -- you make assumptions about things you haven't
even tried. You're a loser.

| > But still...I AM feeling drawn, I do believe on some level that
| > something is right about what the GM does.
|
| You are experiencing a power fantasy about the possibility of many babes lining
| up to suck your cock. Get over yourself, it ain't reality, not as far as
| bagging self-assured women is concerned.

Look, the babe whose pic is in the lounge and that he handed to me
is self-assured, she's smart (studied philosophy), she's independent,
etc. She fell for it, just as 3 as her friends. Oh well they became
friends after a 3 some with him. Ah ah ah ah.

| The confident, mature, self-assured
| women have no interest in guys like GM...

BULL*SHIT.

| unless they feel it is their
| perogative to go out and fuck some man tonight. In that scenario, it incidental
| that GM exists with his attitudes, he's an available body like any other
| available male body.
|
| You are going to have to fish for women who are either immature or a bit
| dysfunctional, for GM's contrarian, borderline misogynist tactics to work.

You're really an idiot. I was there, mind you. That's not what I saw.
I sense you're a loser, though.

--
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ASF's practical FAQ and newbie starting point:

http://metabork.fr.eu.org/~nathan/

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 01:38:25 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
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"Hey girls, do you know how you can tell whether you like us?"
"No?"
"Well tonite, when you get back to your hotel, and you remove your
panties, throw it in the air, and if it sticks to the wall, then
that means that you liked us!"

I can't believe THEY FUCKING LAUGHED.

Damn it.

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 01:41:29 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
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On Mon, 13 Sep 1999 06:11:14 -0700, Brandon Van Every
wrote:
|
| Daniel wrote in message
| news:37DCD665.8A0E883A@SPAMSUXprimus.com.au...
| > He seems to be getting bolder by the minute, i think though he should
| > realise that there has to be limits, otherwise he will push the chicks
| > limits too far..
| > just my guess
|
| The danger is not in pushing too far. People need/like being pushed far,
| especially sexually. The danger is coming to the situation with so many of your
| own ideas, that you have no idea what's going on. You just simply blurt out
| your own idea. You aren't even listening to see if she has an idea, what her
| response is. This leaves you with an inability to understand WHY she does nor
| does not like the joke you told. To figure out what turns her on or off.

GM simply assumes that they want to get laid and that he is
the best thing that can happen to them.

All in all, that seems to work better than anything else I've
seen / tried.

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 01:44:30 1999
From: Nathan SZILARD
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: GM joke
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 21:28:42 +0200
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Simple.

"have you seen my new watch?"
"what?"
"it's a telepathic watch."
"What?"
"yeah he can guess things about you"
"yeah right, like what"
"hm ... right now it says that you have no panties"
"then it must be wrong!"
" oh it must an hour fast"

nightlight9@hotmail.com a ?crit:
>
> Heres one I got today in the mail (not from a chick, but I though it
> was cute). It would need some minor adjustments, I think but it could
> work (as quotes or with you playing the role of the confident male):
>
> A rather confident man, walks into a bar and takes a seat next
> to a very attractive woman. He gives her a quick glance, then
> casually looks at his watch for a moment.
>
> The woman notices this and asks, "Is your date running late?"
>
> "No", he replies, "I just bought this state-of-the-art watch and
> I was just testing it."
>
> The intrigued woman says, "A state-of-the-art watch? What's so
> special about it?"
>
> "It uses alpha waves to telepathically talk to me," he explains.
>
> "What's it telling you now?"
>
> "Well, it says you're not wearing any panties."
>
> The woman giggles and replies, "Well it must be broken then,
> because I am wearing panties!"
>
> And the man starts tapping on the watch face and says, "Damn
> thing must be an hour fast!"
>
> In article ,
> "Vincent Runza" wrote:
> > > My sister, who just graduated college, sends me the raunchiest sex
> joke
> > lists
> > > imaginable. Things you're 100% sure were written by horny juvenile
> > college
> > > guys. Praise be to e-mail for opening my eyes to what college
> girls find
> > funny!
> > > Cheers, 3d graphics optimization jock
> > > Brandon Van Every Seattle, WA
> > >
> > > Experts eliminate the simpler mistakes in favor of the more
> > > complex ones, thereby achieving a higher degree of stupidity. :-)
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Dear Brandon,
> > Ok, dude, post 'em here, for Chrissakes! There are newbies who would
> love to
> > be able to say, "A guy I know got this joke from his sister..." Share
> the
> > wealth!
> > Sincerely,
> > Vince
> >
> >
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 01:45:15 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: GM come back lines
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Whenever they don't react positively enough he goes:

"Hide your joy!"
"Last time I saw someone as excited as you, he was in coma!"

And the best of the best (best responses):

"If you don't like cute guys, just tell me!"

It's the best because, most of the time, as outrageous as it
is, they reply by: "no, no, we do like cute guys!"

I would never have believed that without seeing it
happening before my eyes.

--
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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 01:45:40 1999
From: Nathan SZILARD
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
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Aaron R. Kulkis a ?crit:
>
> Nathan SZILARD wrote:
> >
> > Whenever they don't react positively enough he goes:
> >
> > "Hide your joy!"
> > "Last time I saw someone as excited as you, he was in coma!"
> >
> > And the best of the best (best responses):
> >
> > "If you don't like cute guys, just tell me!"
> >
> > It's the best because, most of the time, as outrageous as it
> > is, they reply by: "no, no, we do like cute guys!"
> >
> > I would never have believed that without seeing it
> > happening before my eyes.
>
> What he's doing is alleging that they subscribe to an undesirable belief,
> thust CHALLENGING them to refute what he has just said.

Yeah and what's more he REFRAMES (not in the NLP meaning) their
untold objection: the problem is not whether they like him, it
becomes whether they like cute guys or not, whether they're
cool people or not ....

It's similar to the mechanism involved in the technique of
bait and switch or lowball (see Cialdini for more info).

That guy is amazing.

Oh he did phone close 3 19 year olds half an hour ago.

I have to go -- I have 75% to end the night in an orgy.
See ya ;)

>
don't.

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 01:45:15 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
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Whenever they don't react positively enough he goes:

"Hide your joy!"
"Last time I saw someone as excited as you, he was in coma!"

And the best of the best (best responses):

"If you don't like cute guys, just tell me!"

It's the best because, most of the time, as outrageous as it
is, they reply by: "no, no, we do like cute guys!"

I would never have believed that without seeing it
happening before my eyes.

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Sat Sep 18 22:30:05 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
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Subject: The main thing in GM's
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What makes GM so succesful? Not his dirty lines.
They key is ... know what you want.

Ok, so yesterday I go to PU bar 1, cross that girl who's going
to the bathroom, J. I spot her stool at the bar. Know the barman,
strike conversation GM style, she comes back, "hey baby, buy me
a drink and you might get lucky tonite". Got laughs. She's
of the really quiet kino type. Bright enough. F g tall. Big
boobs. Ok, a 9.

I go GM all the way. Dick jokes. Vagina jokes. GM challenges.
She reacts positively but as I try to steal a kiss, she's
slightly reluctant.

I did'nt even phone close, I could have had.

What was missing compared to GM:
- did'nt try to pull her somewhere quiet; she was in front of
her friend, exposed, and to the barman she knew as well.
- did'nt try to get her somewhere AFTER, her friend was going
back home and she was leaving to accompany her to the metro.
I could have said offered some opportunity, or even got her
to show me her place!!! Crazy? Not that crazy, dude! I've
seen crazier happen.
- I did'nt even phone close, but I don't miss it that much.

--
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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Sat Sep 18 22:32:28 1999
From: Nathan SZILARD
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Subject: A great GM comeback to the 'we're lesbians' objections!
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-- We're lesbians!
-- Oh yeah? I get along really well with lesbians.
I used to have lots of lesbian friends. Well now
that they've met GM they're not anymore, of course! LOL
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going out alone SARGING SOLO
toecutter

author: "toecutter"
date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 22:38:00 GMT
From: www.fastseduction.com
subject: Re: going out alone

> Usually, I just
>bite the bullet and force myself to take >some action. Once I do that, as time
>goes by, I start to feel more comfortable.

Exactly, that is the trick.

The trick to sarging solo as far as I am concerned is not to look like you are there alone. Here is how:

Know the staff and regulars. These people are always there and get you chatting. Sometimes it can be hard just to jump out of your skin and START talking. Especially if you have not spoken to anyone before you walk in. I would also suggest, if it has been a while since you last spoke, getting on your cell phone just before entering and warming up your mouth a bit with a friend, then hit your bar staff and regulars, then girls. Hi-fives and high energy all the way as you do your enterance.

Next thing: Never stand alone. Or if you are alone, realise that you have to get into a conversation immediately. Like FUCKING NOW! It does not matter with whom, if you stand alone you will stale out, feel unproofed, and chicken out of getting it restarted. When alone between sets you want to look like you are doing something. Walk around as if you are looking for someone or heading for the bathroom or order another drink or something. Chat with the waitress or bar manager again. Watch the live music and have clear enjoyment on your face if there is live music, but do not let these sorts of activities be crutches ... get the fuck into a conversation. Don’t stand still alone. Eject from one set ... "Look I have gotta go, nice meeting you", turn around make your way through the crowd as if you have a destination but are in no hurry, spot a second new set and open it. Merge sets, isolate chicks.

Easier places are those that are crowded. When the place is crowded it just looks like you are separated from your friends. If asked, your friends are "Over there". Get good standing / drinking crowds where people are standing in sets. Big sets are fine. Go in with opinion openers and work the guys hard. Without your own set of mates there it is handy to have some guys to slap backs with and shit between sets. Don’t shy away from mixed sets at all. You are there alone. Mixed sets are good for you.

Avoid places where every move you make can be seen by everyone in the bar. In other words, a semi-empty bar with beautiful bar staff and waitresses lazing around doing not much and some seated sets at tables is not a good place to sarge when you are alone even if the targets are higher quality here than up the street. Also, you want to resist the temptation to be the bar-fly and sit on a bar stool with a beer in your hand.

But number 1 rule is to always be in conversation.

What does a guy who is at a bar, club or lounge alone look like? He is standing alone watching the rest of the people. What does a guy who is not alone look like? He is speaking to people. So what is the difference between being an alone guy and a guy with people? Starting a conversation. That is the only thing standing in the way of turning you from an alone-guy to a with-mates guy. An ice-breaker. If you are in a conversation, to the rest of the bar it will look like you are there with the people you are speaking to. So you have just got to speak to people. Ask a mixed set what they think about whether you should get your tongue pierced. Tell them your girlfriend wants you to do it. Let the unknown guys in the set have all the cunnilingus gags. Set up jokes for them, and disqualify yourself from the women in the sets so the guys are comfortable with you there. Whatever. Now you have new insta-friends. Just speak.