Cherishing by TiM

this is a reason why running deep comfort or too much comfort can get in the way of getting laid in a one night stand, or when you are leaving a city...

Its a post that has helpoed me understand why i didnt get laid with last 3 girls when I left NYC...easy lays..lost POOF!

this is for strangelove PUA


CHERISHING in the night
by TiM from RSD


Hello there, how are you today? I am fine.

I have my boy Ryan here staying with me in LA for a week of scalliwagging.

Its great to be back here in Los Angeles hitting it up… we were talking about our travels and happenings from the field
which I wanted to share. Also throwing in some random shots of the travels.

Ryan and I ran our first bootcamp together in Vancouver, Canada which is a really cool city. It was my birthday that night and they had
a freak snowstorm.

We are doing our thing with our glorious clients and I see some stuff that is FULLY interesting: CHERISHING IN THE NIGHT



BACKGROUND: We have a new name for girlfriends now, they are called “Cherishes“. I have a cherish in Australia, Tyler has his cherish and so does Jeffy.

Now cherishing is all well and good. I enjoy it a lot. But cherishing AS SOON AS YOU MEET THE GIRL IS BAD NEWS.

RULE: Do not think/talk/ponder/worry or do anything regarding a girl unless you have first established the masculine role.
In pretty much all cases this means before you can cherish or go into a cherish frame you must have had sex first.

Have you ever picked up a girl, got her number or whatever and then thought about her constantly? or not even constantly.
Maybe you played movies in your mind of you two in different situations, going on dates, her meeting your mother, etc.

Then when you go to call her up its all WEIRD. You fumble around the phone, stutter when you talk - HORRIBLE.

Your mind places the girl in a girlfriend frame

And so this is what I call ‘CHERISHING IN THE NIGHT’.



Now I cover this fully in the ‘Flawless Natural Superconference’ however I wanted to illustrate with this recent example:

So back to Ryan and I out on bootcamp…

Im right up in a girls face kissing her while winging a client when out of the corner of my eye I notice Ryan walking around with another
cute girl hand in hand. I remember thinking to myself “awww that looks cute”.
Anyway the night progresses and again I see Ryan and this girl - they look cuter than ever. In fact they kinda look ‘in love’.
They are making out and gazing into each others eyes and all that.

Uh oh. CHERISHING.

She looks fully melting in his arms and so happy - like they have been together forever. Awwwwwww.

SO anyway im doing my thing demolishing this place… im walking up to random girls with my new opener “Im sad I need a kiss” and making out with them
then going to the next girls and doing the same.

(PS this new opener is killer: “Im sad. I need a kiss” then you get them to kiss each cheek. Then lips. They will fight the lips and you simply say
“But im sad!” and boom go right in for it. Your clearly not sad and just being a crazy guy. Beautiful.)

So at some point Ryan intros me to the girl and she stands beside me, he goes off to help out a client and she is left there with me.

Im talking for a bit then notice another cutey walking past… BOOOOOOOM I grab her, sad need a kiss, makeout then throw her back into the crowd all happy.

RIGHT AFTER THIS Ryans girl grabs my arm and looks me right in the eye and says “Whoa, you’re agressive, I like agressive”. Oh shit now she is all over my arm.

POOOOOOF I eject on her and go back to clients waiting till the end of the night to tell Ryan what happened.

Turns out that later she gives Ryan the excuse of “But you are leaving tomorrow, I cant go home with you, we will never work out!”.

AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH there it is…. the CHERISHING IN THE NIGHT has killed him.



Because he put her into a cherish (girlfriend) frame she is fully playing that frame and so cannot sleep with him. Now if I had a shot, who knows?

Different frame = Different Results.

See with me im just coming across as a fun, dominant man who is following his core sexual intent. I have no outcome with the girl other than fun THAT night.
They feel that way and act accordingly.

I remember how this used to destroy me back in the early days when I would tell the girl “wow I really like you a lot” within 5 minutes of meeting her.
This meant she had expectations to live up to and so it would rarely work.

No expectations on the girl = full trust from the girl.

Since then there has been no Cherishing in the Night from mr. Ryan deluxe and there should be none for you too.

The LORD of the club does not cherish. No no no.



As a general rule its not until after the first sex can you start to go the cherish route.
Why though? the girl needs to know you are truley a champ and can get girls - not some chode trying to find his cherish lover in the nightclub.

So ultimately its up to you guys on how you want to be percieved but here are some simple guidelines:

DO’s and DO NOT’s

DO kiss her for fun in the club

DO NOT make out tenderly for four hours

DO show her that you are fully interested in her NOW

DO NOT start talking about future plans and dates and how much of a match you are

DO lead her around dominant style

DO NOT prance around the club like you have finally found that special girl…

You get the drift…

What are your guys thoughts and experiences with this ?


nT

Mondays Rants,Raves,Reviews and comments and superfund sites.

Ok I posted some interesting stuff today. I realize my time is limited...

DocStrangelove is comming back and he is moving to LA in Jan.

Im also moving in Jan not sure where but Im planning on it.

I ran into something very cool.

listend to jeffy's speech in transformations in my ipod,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fraDFydK-8

after you get good in game and fixing your inner game. my fav part is when he opens and gets rejected "oh no...all thouse years off therapy down the drain... so anyways (goes into a routine)"

like it doesnt affect him and changes the interaction. I love jeffys frame the guy is my hero. im going to put him on a shirt or something.LOL.


Captain Jack mentions that his game he doesnt get shit tests anymore which I believe him, I ran sexual framing I didnt get it until LMR.
To me At first though you do get shit tests and its actually to your advantage to create attraction from that.they are facilitating th epickup and giving you material to tease her.

I'm in love with shit tests ...anyways ;)


In seduction community there is alot of technical stuff and why and all that...to a point and for a newbie its important.

RELATIONSHIPs AND GARY BRODSKY
Up to now, I havent found good material on relationships...

Heard BRadP relationships audio portion and how he got fucked over by a girl who wanted him to be his GF when he accepted she backed off and he dumped her.
LOL.he did go over awesome points and recomended reading matt ridley's red queen.

i havent read it and Im not really into the why it works type of thing...Im trying not to over analyze things with PU.

I was super impressed since I did ask entropy how to show dominance and he couldnt describe that clearly to me in terms of relationship, the audio how to be an alpha male Mr.M and Braddock go over it very lightly...

What gave me an awesome prespective is Gary Brodsky's extreme domination with women.

after i close I become cool and passive, but I have to be the leader i have to be the guy for anything to work...if she leads she will get frustrated treat me like shit and find another guy.

i listened to it and it makes sense, practical sense.

there is alot of material for new girls but for relationships there is either social programing stuff or plain maps like savoys dvd, it is good but its just a map.It doesnt define roles.

Gary 's power moves are basically compliance programing in a subtle yet effective way to dominate her.

Im starting to like him ALOT.

Advanced guys can teach you about life my friends....you have to keep it simple yet effective.

INNER GAME

talking about advance, I read a blog by Crow and he talked about community inner game. i responded to his blog and added elements on how innergame is essentially your self, who you are.

the essence of natural game is you being the cool guy and your game coming from your personality without sticking to robotic routines and button pushing.

I recomended to him brian tracy's science of self confidence. over PUA material on inner game.

I like scientific and psycolanylist stuff that can help in logical sense as well and mindest ...if you get hypnotized and wake up ..you still going to think same way, you have to change the mindset...like in rocky 3 "eye of the tiger" on life.

SUPERFUNDS SITE


http://drmichaelbroder.com/product_pages/lettinggo.htm

this guy helped me change the oneitis and let go of the trap I fell into...
as Doc STrnagelove calls it "she is so toxic ,she has a superfund site around her"as Franco says "men like challenges, but a wise man doesnt waste his time a foolish man will waste his time making it work." Im fucking guilty of this.


Dr.Broader explained it to me like a PIMP. dont read any oneitis stuff until youve heard this...oneits material or breakup are from tim RSD, Franco's book and this audio program. the last excersize was soo powerful I felt like I let it go.

Dr Border explains he got diorced many years and focused into this product, to him overcoming a breakup is a SKILL...intersting..I never heard ANY PUA say it like that.props man!

marius panzarella has a mini ebook and talks about you leaving things and wait for her to react , you to back off and give her space.

scott mckay has another ebook as well that makes alot of sense, basically disqualifys all party chick from being relationship material :( ....LOL

these here are the best to get over someone and fast.


I will look into in 10nse material , his rapport ebook was something good in my comfort game...but this post on addiction just awesome,perfect for LSE thanks franco.lol

I also look into swinggcatt's dark side audio section, his material is just awesome.

these are midlevel to advanced stuff here....JK Ellis would be proud of me.

Get her addicted ,like a drug

it is an important article by in10nse, its ol school yet effective...
I will point out Franco's question and comments and in10nse responds.

This is awesome game..fuck Im evil fucker.LOL

The 10 steps to becoming her Drug!

by IN10SE

Here's my disclaimer - I don't advocate any of these to be used by anyone who
wants a healthy and happy relationship - but these are the tactics that "jerks"
use so it's always good to be familiar with these.

And it's also good to take these to heart if you recognize dependence on a
chick in yourself and you find HER pulling these tactics.

I'll just let you guys know right off that this is a twisted post, although as
I have been able to model guys that get women obsessed with them, there are
common tactics that they pull. And there may be some learning in it, as evil as
some of the tactics may be.

Now, of course some of this can be taken to extreme by those who are less
benevolent and irresponsible than most of us, so proceed with caution...
because you can create a stalker and an obsessed chick this way. Use with
discretion!

First lets make an analogy to Drug Dependence.

Part 1: Drug Dependence - Here is the criteria:

1) Tolerance

This is where someone gets used to a certain drug and it takes more and more to
get the same high.

2) Withdrawal

This is where someone goes into physical and/or psychological distress from not
having the drug.

3) The substance is often taken in larger amounts over a longer period than
intended

This is where the person cant control how much they take and how long they take
it. The drug controls THEM.

4) Any unsuccessful effort or a persistent desire to cut down or control
substance use

This is where they want to cut down, but they find that they cant.

5) A great deal of time is spent in activities necessary to obtain the
substance or recover from its effects

They invest a huge portion of their energy in obtaining the drug as well as
getting over the initial highs.

6) Important social, occupational or recreational activities given up or
reduced because of substance use

This is where they forego other parts of their lives for the drug.

7) Continued substance use despite knowledge of having had persistent or
recurrent psychological or physical problems

This is where they can see that the drug controls them and gives them problems
and causes them to have to sacrifice other parts of their lives, but they DO IT
ANYWAY.

Part 2: The 10 steps to becoming her Drug!

1) Initially, Give, Give and Give
Like a drug dealer, to start with, give her the time of her life. Give it
generously to start with. I'm not saying to not make her earn it... just make
it easy for her.

2) Fulfill a NEED
It could be an emotional need, it could be a physical need, it could be a need
for security, it could be a need for FUN - give her the time of her life...
Make her feel good. To find the need, just do a value elicitation for it. "What
would you NEED to have in your life to be happy?" and "So how would you know
that you had this?" and then "And what would it be like for you to be able to
have this, where you can have it in this way? (then repeat her description)"

Give her DRAMA! With this comes the extreme highs and lows. Don't introduce the
"lows" just yet... save that for later when you start to do the withdrawal
phase.

3) Make yourself a HABIT for her
Become a regular part of her daily routine. I've noticed that chicks that
weren't even into me initially succumed to the HABIT when I became a part of
their daily life. Paint a picture of you ALWAYS being there for her.

Remember, the strongest human instinct is not survival... its HABIT!

INSTILL yourself into her "Personal Narrative". This is the way that she see's
her present and her future expectations.

4) Be unpredictable
So that she never knows what to expect.

5) Transition to making her earn what you give her
If she asks anything of you, ALWAYS ask for something in return, no matter how
small... just as a TOKEN of value. This starts the process of her having to
earn what you give her. What you ask of her (as small as it may be) puts more
value on what you give her and lets her know that you ain't for free!

6) Use both positive and negative reinforcement
Take away the good stuff when she does things that you don't like (and if there
aren't any, just make some up!) and reward her when she does stuff you DO like.
You NEED to do both. You can also use a "propulsion mechanism" where you have
her "move toward" reward, and "move away from" punishment.

Also get MAD... and show it! When she deserves it especially. The make up can
be well worth it! With guys that get chicks obsessed with them, there is often
a "cycle" that starts with tension to explosion to make up to honeymoon to
tension to explosion to make up to honeymoon... and on and on it goes. They
often don't even recognize this cycle.

7) Start to crowd out other parts of her life
I know this is evil, but this is the way alot of guys do it that get women
obsessed with them. They compete with her friends, guy friends, family... they
ISOLATE her from the rest of the world. The use of this evil tactic is up to
your own discretion and conscience! This is where you become her WORLD!

Let her get the impression that you are in demand
This increases your perceived value in her eyes.

9) Now, START TO TAKE IT AWAY
Start to make yourself more scarce. But give 110% when she does have you. Let
her have withdrawal. Don't call for a few days, don't touch her when you are
with her for one evening. Resist her advances if she wants to have sex for the
evening.

10) Alternate Now
between Hot and Cold, giving and taking it away, Push and Pull. - Make it about
her doing things for YOU now. About her trying to keep YOU. Ask her to do
things for you. LET her do things for you. The more she gives, the more you ask
for. - Of course you have to give some as well, but just not as much.

Comments, Questions?

IN10SE

http://www.social-mastery.com

the earth turned to bring us closer
it turned on itself and in us
until it finally brought us together in this dream

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Another subject of discussion. It seems clear to me that this method will be
like a deadly trap for LSE chicks.

My question is connected with HSE chicks. I have noticed that doing this like
you write here and also social proofing myself is extremely difficult to
calibrate. HSE women seem to have on one hand a need - like all the other women
- for INVALIDATION (as you wrote in other posts of yours) - at the same time
for them is extremely important to save their WORTH and SELF-RESPECT in the
relationship which I find to be a very good thing.

Now I have been dealing last weeks with my HSE woman with two feelings I was
not expecting: ENVY and COMPETITIVE FEELINGS WITH ME. She started her 101 on me
already times ago which I counteracted by social proofing myself and putting in
practice a SMALL PART of what you suggest here.

Now I succeeded in keeping my 101 on her and with attraction we never had
problems until now but I got these two unwanted "side effects" like ENVY and
COMPETITIVE FEELINGS WITH ME.

I precise that I do not social proof myself necessarily by using other women
interest but I may do it by simply telling her that "I got a great time at the
gym" or showing her something good I bought for myself like I did last week.

This could be miscalibration from me but could you tell a few words on how you
would apply these techniques with HSE without causing side effects like ENVY,
JEALOUSY, COMPETITIVE FEELINGS AND WITHOUT DESTROYING HER SELF-ESTEEM.

Those are things I definitely DO NOT WANT with an HSE woman. On the other hand
my last experience with HSE women tells me that they WILL TRY this stuff on me,
maybe in a sweeter and more high level way but they will.

How to calibrate this? To have her hooked WITHOUT destroying her self-esteem,
without causing envy, jealousy or competitive feelings from her? In a way HSE
women seem to act on the lines of "let´s betaise the Alpha male" as much as LSE
do but using more fair ways - of which their favorite seems to be the
PASSIVATING "Why you do not open up to me, be sweet to me" while still longing
for the TOUGH GUY but counteracting their attempts to betaise seems to have a
bad effect on their SELF-ESTEEM. Strange paradox.

Franco
--------------
IN10SE,
between the best posts I ever read. Thank you!

I have a question connected with a "healthy and happy relationship". Personally
I did not meet a woman until now who would not try - maybe not all but part of
them, maybe no consciously but unconsciously - several of the tricks you list
here.

I mean I would find completely justified to use what you write here to reframe
woman´s behavior ALSO in what you call an healthy and happy relationship.

ALL the women I know - including my actual wife - tried this as soon as they
knew that they are in a long term relationship with me.

I mean I feel that chicks try exactly all of this in relationships and that if
the guy does not reframe/keep his frame on these issues he is exactly the kind
of guy who will be the beta guy of a "successful marriage" in a relatively
short time.

What you think?

Franco
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In10se responds to Franco:
Here are some CRUCIAL points that I left out initially because they are so
perverse...

Here's what these guys do -

1) It must be all about YOU
Yes... selfish I know... but that is how these guys are.
Your needs, what YOU want... YOUR life. She is along for the ride. She is the
"WIND beneath YOUR wings".

2) Chip away at and lower her self-esteem
Subtlety at first, then in your presuppositions and then overtly. A frog will
stay in a pot that is slowly boiled until it is boiled to death.

Like a drug breaks down someone's self esteem, in the same way a chicks self
esteem can be broken down.
These guys operate from the presupposition that the chick is NOTHING without
them. And the CHICKS buy into it! Maybe it's because its what they were USED TO
growing up... who knows why.

3) You can TARGET these gals
Look at their past relationships. Were they Co-dependent? How about their
childhood... did they have an alcoholic parent? (Sad, but this is how it is)

4) Suck her into trying to "help you"
This is an evil tactic that brings out the natural instinct of most women, and
evil manipulators know how to use it to their advantage! Bring out her
Co-dependency. Give her momentary "flashes" that you couldn't "live" without
her... that you don't know what you would do... that you "NEED HER". Then ACT
completely like you don't need her at all!

5) Take her to the point of no return
This is where she finds herself doing things that she would NEVER have done
before. Like doing crazy things to please you, maybe even doing things that
could be construed as "naughty" so that you could hold that over her.

6) Become her IDENTITY
This is where she loses her sense of self, and is so enmeshed with YOU that she
has lost sight of who she is. She is cut off from her past and her future is in
YOU. This is twisted I know, but this is what these guys do.

7) Make her feel GUILT and again, ISOLATE her
From others, from her friends, from her family - from WORK, from SCHOOL... so
that YOU dictate what happens in her world. These guys create rifts between her
and her friends, they manipulate situations, use GUILT to motivate and are
critical of everything she does.

Now again, I'm not advocating use of these tactics... I'm just bringing these
to the light so that you know what to look for and so that you KNOW what chicks
have been used to in the past.

Beware of a chick that has been in past relationships like this... she may
unconsciously try to DRIVE YOU to act this way, because it is what she KNOWS
and what she is comfortable with... as perverse as it is. If she doesn't DRIVE
YOU to be this way, she'll assume the role and try to be this way to YOU!
Beware of damaged goods.

Is there hope... yes, I think... with conscious recognition of patterns and
with conscious CHOICES.

Questions, Comments?

IN10SE

PUA lines

Lines Used By Pua - Presentation Transcript from ebook

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Franco Seduction´s tips on how to use pickup lines effectively Hi All, This is a free guide about how to use effectively pickup lines by Franco, the founder of Franco Seduction. I hope you find it useful. I wish you can put this into practice in everyday life to make of the realization of all your desires become true. Best Regards, Franco www.francoseduction.com Notes: The content is created and copyright by Franco Seduction – Pickup, Seduction and Female Relationships Coaching. Apply for Franco Seduction´s Free Newsletter Content created and copyright by Franco Seduction Franco Seduction´s Free Newsletter Franco´s Books on Female Relationships


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Hey All, Let's talk a little bit about how to build effective pickup lines and how to have them really work on women. Here is Hans writing from Germany. He is in discomfort and very close to get prompt relief to his trouble in getting past the pickup lines. “Franco, First of all thank you for the recent advice on how to get rid of my one-itis for my former girlfriend. I really realize now how she played me like a violin. In this period of my life I am very much out doing pickup and have this issue of not being able to get past the pickup line causing me a real pain. I use some pickup lines like this one: “Hey, I think I saw you before. Ah! Now I remember.. it was in Paradise” or “Hello, are we related? Do you want us to be?” The results are a disaster: some of them laugh straight to my face, some turn their face to another direction, someone looks at me like I would be an alien coming from Mars. The worst ones are the ones who stare at me with a disgusted expression on their faces.” What´s going on here? Am I not being cocky and funny here? The girls I am approaching are about 8s on my scale so quite beautiful. Please help. Regards, Hans” “Dear Hans, I can feel your pain. See men are logical, practical creatures. We tend to think along the logic of: a > b > c > d > e > f >... along a logical chain of events. So you are probably thinking: Content created and copyright by Franco Seduction Franco Seduction´s Free Newsletter Franco´s Books on Female Relationships


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I use a pickup line > she responds to me > we have sex. Well, Hans, that´s not the case with women. Women are extremely interested in 5 things when they deal with men: − A challenge. − Communication. − Feeling strong, different emotions. − Strong leadership. − You are not “hitting” on her (this makes her feel like a slut if you do) − You do not come out as supplicating to her. You do not come out as kissing her up. To have your pickup lines structured in an effective way please ask yourself these 6 questions before you open your mouth: − Am I being a challenge to her right now? − Does she get the feeling that we are communicating? − Do I induce in her strong and different emotions? − Am I leading her? − Do I come out as hitting on her? − Do I come out as kissing her up? If the answer to all of the first 4 is yes and the answer to the last 2 is no then your pickup line will get you very, very far. So let´s look at all the 6 points closely:
Challenge
One big reason pickup lines do not work is: you are not being a challenge to her by using one. Believe it or not: many other guys tried that on her the same day. I am right now traveling by ship to my summer house. Well only this morning at the ship terminal I saw at least 3 guys trying the same stuff on a group of young women sitting at the bar. Same thing was happening on the ship. These guys were drunk and came out as really, really lame. All the girls of the world and even the ones who are barely 7s have \"already seen it all.\" Content created and copyright by Franco Seduction Franco Seduction´s Free Newsletter Franco´s Books on Female Relationships

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For them it is like seeing the same boring movie again and again and again. So for a pickup line to be effective it has to be a challenge for her. Something she did not hear before and which puts her on her toes. The pickup line should be framed so to put her to impress you about something and not you to impress her. The majority of the guys will try to impress her so when you will put her to impress you that will be a real challenge to her. For example lines which make her self-conscious are like these ones. Hans: “Hey, excuse me. I just wanted to say that your shoe is untied” (with smile) Hans: “Sorry may I ask a question which bothered me all the way long during this trip. Is is true that in this country there is no good pasta at all?” ( to be used abroad when in her country: this is little bit of a neg) Lines which put her to do something for you - for example in a fashion shop - asking her opinion about something you want to buy for yourself. Because you are the Prize. Hans:\"Sorry can you tell me your opinion about this jacket, I think it makes a good match with the trousers.” These lines are a challenge because she does not know what to think: you are not praising her, you are not kissing her up, she cannot even know are you interested in her or not. When done with the proper laid back verbal attitude she will be challenged to think: \"Wow this guy really is not impressed by me. Let's find out about him!\"

Communication

Women are compelled to communicate socially with other people. This comes from historical times not very far away when a woman - without the support of the man, her peers and her social group - could have at worst died of hunger. For a pickup line to be effective soon after the line you have to go fast to communicating with her. You say: wait a minute! Am I not supposed to be cocky and funny first? Content created and copyright by Franco Seduction Franco Seduction´s Free Newsletter Franco´s Books on Female Relationships


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Answer: sure and not in all the cases. You have to calibrate. If you are cocky and funny without giving communication to her you will pickup and seduce all the freaks - which is fine for me if it is fine for you. A woman of a certain level and quality will not give you the time of a minute if she does not feel after your pickup line the feeling that she is communicating with you.
Many of you will ask here: what is communicating? Well I am going to delude you here: for the majority of the women communicating is the same like you paying attention to her and what she feels. In a word: you have to make her feel the feeling that she feels good in your company. To make her feel good you need to make her feel that the two of you are sharing special emotions. So don´t even think for a second that communicating would be sharing with her the last financial news. Your pickup line would end very fast in her telling you: ”bye, bye” or telling you “let´s just be friends.” You have to move her emotionally: this is what women mean with “communication”. The reason women want emotional communication is connected with survival: They need to know if they are really getting deep into you. It´s their way of asking for social support and maintaining it over time. And here we get to the next point...

Emotions

How you move a woman emotionally? Think of a roller coaster: you have to give her the “up and down” feeling. You begin to do that in the phase of transitioning, Transitioning is the phase of the pickup coming after the opener: it is a very important phase In this phase you have her involved in a discussion with you. The opener is the pickup line coming before the transitioning, Content created and copyright by Franco Seduction Franco Seduction´s Free Newsletter Franco´s Books on Female Relationships

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If you observe a natural seducer carefully you will see that very soon in his interaction with the girl he will shift to a phase where he engages her into a conversation, This conversation is not “whatever conversation.” It is usually a very emotional conversation. The problem with the classic “lines used by pua” is that they are used by guys without field experience to elicit a short term reaction in the woman. See Hans, when you use the pickup line, when you do not shit to an emotional transitioning and then ask her why she is so beautiful you are simply making a fool of yourself. Even a freak girl will at least unconsciously ask herself rapidly these questions: − Where is the communication with this guy? − Where are the wonderful emotions I crave with a guy? One important thing at this point: Women know very well - at least on the unconscious level - that if you succeed in moving them emotionally they will be compelled to want sex with you. So when you approach them they will test you. The reason of the testing is to find a way to control themselves in order to avoid feeling the same emotions they crave. It´s ambivalence in regard to their own sexual desire. It is a part of being a woman: Fighting against what they want more than anything in order to not feel the guilt and the shame connected with being labeled as a “slut.” So when you use the pickup lines and the emotional transitioning in the right way expect that she will test you for congruence soon after. She does that to have you make some mistake: if you do this will help her to control her own sexual desire. In my Manual of Seduction for Husbands, Single Men and Players I have described extensively female tests and how to pass them, Here is an example of testing I made up for you Hans: Hans:\"Sorry can you tell me your opinion about this jacket, I think it makes a good match with the trousers.” Content created and copyright by Franco Seduction Franco Seduction´s Free Newsletter Franco´s Books on Female Relationships

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Her: “I think it is quite nice.. what your wife said about the same?” At this point she tests him: is he a betaised married man unable to be sexually aggressive? Women are smart. She sensed that the reason you Hans asked her a favor might be a pickup attempt. You keep your position. One good way to react is to totally ignore the test and go forward as planned. How to deal with tests is another story. If it would be me I would answer: “Which one of my five wives?” with a smile. Again: I like wild women. Don´t know about you, Hans. Now it´s your moment to insert strong emotionality. Now this part of the pickup is gay seen from the point of view of a masculine man: just live with it. If a man would be able to do this naturally I would think he is a queen. Hans: “Ah! My wife.. well actually one gets attached to so many things: a jacket, a wife, a cat (wink, wink). My cat Casanova. He is so nice. This time he was less nice. He did it on my jacket.. you know what I am talking about..Do you like cats? I just adore them.” Here you are describing her an emotional experience. You see where I am getting Hans and why pickup lines usually do not work alone? Now when you have her engaged into an emotional conversation about cats you can get to... Leading her No matter what “politically correct” stuff you were fed with at school my dear Hans: women like men who are in charge. The more you show her that you are a leader the better are the chances she will want sex with you. All the rest is silence. So when you had enough of an emotional conversation with her you can show her that you can lead her somewhere: Content created and copyright by Franco Seduction Franco Seduction´s Free Newsletter Franco´s Books on Female Relationships


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Usually there, where you want her to be. What is leading? Simple: it is telling her what to do and make it seem like she would have wanted it all the time. Hans: “I was wondering one thing as you seem to be so interested in cats. I am going to a cat exhibition next week. I have another ticket as my sister told me she cannot make it. “ Here you go. You are building an opportunity. As “she is interested in cats” she is going to agree to go with you to a cat exhibition and there you can begin your escalation. Or maybe you can lead her to a fashion exhibition. No need to do any dating: you simply lead her into something you like yourself. As in sales the more you like your product the more you will sell so in the case you – like me – really like animals and fashion then it will be easy for you lead her there. Let´s get now to the next point Not hitting on her Unless you decide to use direct game - which really is not for beginners - when you “hit on a girl” you come out as a male of lower value. You are a beggar then: that´s all what you are. And she will respond accordingly. The pickup line: “Hey, I think I saw you. Ahh.. now I remember.. it was in Paradise” is basically the same like telling her that you are a desperate male, who cannot get women. That´s really not seductive. Neediness is never seductive unless she is a masculine bitch who likes S&M games but that´s a minority. So you statements, your non verbal attitude and your way of approaching her should be from the beginning to the end built so that you give the message: I do not need you, you need me. When you “hit on her” you are giving the opposite message: you are not the Prize and you are needy. Believe me: women really love a non needy strong man at the beginning. Content created and copyright by Franco Seduction Franco Seduction´s Free Newsletter Franco´s Books on Female Relationships

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It gives them something to fight for. A few months ago I was chatting about this with one of my female lovers: she told me that catching a man and making of him her slave is probably the most exciting thing she could ever do. When you “hit on her” you are giving the opposite message. That´s why pickup lines usually do not work. Women want the Prince. Never kiss her up, never supplicate Another question you need to ask from yourself while you build your pickup lines should always be: “can what I say or do be interpreted in the slightest way as me kissing her up?” If the answer is yes then simply don´t do it! In fact that will come back to you as a boomerang and you will get that sense of frustration which made you write to me this mail. The pickup line:“Hello, are we related? Do you want to be?” is felt by the woman as a desperate attempt to impress her and get her attention. It is supplication: something you want to avoid like the plague when you Hans the feeling of relief you feel when you have a woman supplicate to you and have her be a style judge for you is immense. You are doing what the majority of the guys would never be able to do. You are using pickup lines and seducing women in the most effective and powerful way! Cheers, Franco www.francoseduction.com Notes: The content is created and copyright by Franco Seduction – Pickup, Seduction and Female Relationships Coaching. Apply for Franco Seduction´s Free Newsletter Content created and copyright by Franco Seduction Franco Seduction´s Free Newsletter Franco´s Books on Female Relationships

I will try to edit this soon.

what women internal belief is when she is meeting up with you

I spoke to Entropy awhile back and I get so logical in game.
Logical is good but dealing with women to build attraction or to have sex, its counterproductive.

"its like a ride an experience"

I heard this awesome song from the 80's...

Im into game to cause Obsession and have the girls into me. i realize I was into Push Pull dynamic credit swinggcatt*

Deep Rapport and use of gambler's trap is kind of reversal of roles.

I ccant figure out bradp 's game its like its full attraction and no comfort and if its comfort its a commonality story of her reality...then he pulls. Hmm 8)


anyways, I realized Im not ready for a GF yet, i need to recover from this fuck up and run game as warm up practice my sticking points aside from gym.


"you get them , you can do whatever and get away with anything "
(vin di carlo'mastermind quote)

anyway...
I love this song read the lyrics! its dark and deep...

Love is a stranger
In an open car
To tempt you in
And drive you far away
And I want you
And I want you
And I want you so
It's an obsession

Love is a danger
Of a different kind
To take you away
And leave you far behind
And love love love
Is a dangerous drug
You have to receive it
And you still can't
Get enough of the stuff

It's savage and it's cruel
And it shines like destruction
Comes in like the flood
And it seems like religion
It's noble and it's brutal
It distorts and deranges
And it wrenches you up
And you're left like a zombie

And I want you
And I want you
And I want you so
It's an obsession

It's guilt edged
Glamorous and sleek by design
You know it's jealous by nature
False and unkind
It's hard and restrained
And it's totally cool
It touches and it teases
As you stumble in the debris

And I want you
And I want you
And I want you so
It's an obsession

Im going to re watch 9 1/2 weeks...with deep comfort you can get results like that...

the secret of non neediness,forgiveness in relationships and my secret innergame

Hey guys Ive been on a roll doing shit test excersizes and using misinterpretation to creat attraction from it.
In the past to creat attraction I used her shit test until I did alot of comfort and got stuck in it.
I realized that entropy was right,"if you want your game back it will come"

I got shit tested in a forum just BS..but weirdly got dissed by some girls...since I was in shit test aka congruence test review from jeffy in his book and tyler foundations section on congruence test taught me the mindset.

I used to focus on the tactics (in attraction tactics is important!)but I noticed tyler and jeffy how they act and the mindset...I learned best of game by modeling and replicating the mindset and adapt the positive to my personality.


FRAMES are so important, so ... I responded to this girls shit tests until my intuition told me she was hooked :)

my game is coming back... :)
it was more frame and shit test handling and projecting funny vibe...

I did use swingcatt shit test response.lol

but creating attraction is sooo easy but its what you do with it.

THE SECRET OF NON NEEDINESS AND PASSING SHIT TEST IS NOT CARING!

You dont care and doesnt phase you cause you know who you are and you act like you are the shit so you become the shit .. YOU ACT as IF you become it!
Its weird and non needy yet attractive.

I dont like talking my feelings to a woman, its weak.

I have to work on my congreunce of what I project...Im different from nyc, so I have to rewrite my dhv's and work on my attraction game (mehow chapter,JTasian playboy article , BR adam,RSD 12 )

comfort I had it lock down...have to work on it but its much easier than attraction.

Jeffys book did help me alot...Im inspired by him and his book does contain important pickup techniques on game.

WoW! Anyway , I was happy to get an email from him,It wasnt an assistant Im sure it was him by the way he responded.

I stoped reading other books...i realize that to read game you have to game.

Im focusing on daygame, going indirect since Im at library...I did hesitate abit but once you start socializing you get in rhythm.

Im also going to look for a gym tomorrow.

thanksgiving is coming and Im excited...I want to volunteer serving homeless people food cause I at one point was almost homeless.

On Wednesday,God spoke to me through my pastor who preaches so well that I feel he reads game or is just awesome.

He spoke on good and bad ...I asked him on forgiveness and relationships, he gave an awesome answer..when you are in a relationship and your partner cheats or commits adultery, then you have the right to walk away and not foriven them or go back the them. The bible does say forgive 60 x 60 but in love and relationships God is strict and commands that a man is above a woman, it isnt even 50/50 thing...something that even Franco talks about as a seduction artist who isnt a believer of God confrims this out of experience with alot of women.

My Innergame comes from beliefs in myself and faith in God.Its different but I intrepret bible with game and makes sense that God wants us rich and wants the best for us...jesus did make wine out of water and was around tax men and prostitutes, he wasnt with them but he was all around man who was loved and hated by many but admired, very charismatic...Im not religious or follow those preachers that have weird interpretations of bible to make it easy to save people and be mediocre with serious themes as God...I believe its being true to yourself and honest to God and ask him to help you and give you wisdom, You read the bible wherever you open it or you intuition tells you...he talks to me through my thoughts.Its a powerful effect of enlightment.

Self help and connecting it with God, its like the ultimate man.

Anyway Im out cause I had along day....

Talk to you guys soon.


-s

Nine ball by jeff allen

Like I mentioned one of the best guys I admire in game is Jeff allen IX.

aka Jlaix aka Jeffy.

Jeffy show and his speech at transformations were kind of dark but are realistic points of view on game.

reading this book as its a 429 pg and Im on 125 right now ..its seems like a good read..very similar situations of his life and mine.

he was even homeless and yet he persevered...inspirational guy.

I will post a full review as soon as I finish it.

Im studying my boards and will plan to go to FIU for january.

I feel great and very goal oriented and in a weird way like tyler and jeffy I got used to the "I dont care " attitude.

right now I really dont care to hook up or have a GF or whatever. If theres an oppurtunity to pull then I pull.

Im not lazy but Im focused on survival....the thing is that jeffy was still banging' chicks.lol.

on a note: I got into self help stuff like brian tracy goals program...last time I listened to it , it was something soo awesome. Guys like Braddock mention about it and in pickup its important.


I have diverse beliefs about inner game. it isnt hypnosis or other stuff... Its a solid foundation of your personality, the alpha male.


jeffy mentioned you cant be the guy with a veneer of game, you have to have a personality and assertiveness to back it up.


I realized as I worked on my game..I started running too much comfort...
I m going to focus and as tyler shows system running game similar to sticking point analysis... mix fun with intent.

more I get better the more I can move forward.

the guys I like to work with later on as a mid level advanced would be :

Awaken

Jeffy or Ryan

Franco

Brad P

Braddock and Mr.M /Bonsai

and maybe Sinn or CJ.or Eltopo or even Adam in a residential.

Doc holiday and Saffron if they return and Entropy.
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I will continue to read and go throught the journey with Jeffy.... alot of guys critize the book but for me its really crude, real and straight forward.

nuff said'

-s

kick ass random wisdom from Bonsai LS instructor

Imprint this in your head: “I AM A 10.”

Nice guys do finish last. Nice guys with an edge (game) date beautiful women.

In order to date a 10, you have to be a 10.

Women live in the moment. What she said yesterday/last week/a month ago does not mean it still counts today.

If you end up in the friend zone, you done or more of these things: 1) don’t show enough interest in her 2) masquerade your real intentions 3) don’t physically escalate 4) build too much rapport before she is attracted to you.

Read this book: How to Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie.

Poor man’s qualification: list 5 things non-physical you want in a woman and find out if she meets your list.

When you kiss a girl for the first time, pull out first, look her in the eye and say ‘That is all you get.’ She will go crazy over you

Women live in the moment. What she said yesterday/last week/a month ago does not mean it still counts today.


Escalate or masturbate

The fastest way to get game is by being proactive about it. For every hour you study game, spend two hours in the field practicing.

Avoid having a lot of clocks in your bedroom. You do not want to remind a girl what time it is.

Master sending mixed signals to women and you will have women falling all over you.

An easy way to build comfort is by sharing childhood memories and talking how you two grew up.

Don’t treat your group of friends and acquaintances as a bar/club. Practice your game outside your social circle.

Do not be ashamed to be attracted to women and looking at them. You’re guy. It’s your privilege.

Facebook is a great way to stay in contact with female friends. Setup a meetup with one of your female friends and have her introduce you to her single friends. Girls love playing Cupid.

A good first date starts at your place and ends at your place.

When it comes to clothes, go for quality instead of quantity. It’s better to have less clothes that make you look really good than have a lot of clothes that make you look average.

To keep a ‘friends with benefits’ relationship, do not see her more than once a week and avoid any relationship talk.


The first kiss can make or break you. Women judge you on your first kiss. So practice kissing girls. A LOT.

Don’t go to a movie or dinner for first date. Go where talking is not a burden and you can bounce around.


After you get her phone number, stay a couple more minutes before you leave. That way it won’t feel like a “pick up” to her and you reduce the number of flaky phone numbers

Running out of things to say? Grab a copy of the Routines Manual to fill up conversation gaps.

sirslick aka bonsai talks stripper game

5 Reasons Why You Want to Learn How to Pick up a Stripper to Improve Your Game
Posted at November 8, 2009 Picking up exotic dancers (“strippers”) at strip clubs are the hardest girls you will ever pick up. These gorgeous girls are there to work and make money. They are not there to meet a guy. These hired guns are aware that every guy in the strip club wants them.

It is one skill set to take a beautiful woman home from a bar or club, but totally another skill set to pick up a stripper while she is working. You need tighter game and your margin for error with strippers is almost zero. It’s required to have really good cold approach game before you even want to try to pick up an exotic dancer at a strip club. Stripper game takes cold approach skills times ten.

If you can pick up an exotic dancer at a strip club, you can pick up girls anywhere. Learning how to pick up a stripper is a valuable skill set and will complement your game in many areas. Here are 5 reasons why you want to learn stripper game in order to improve your cold approach game.

1. Get comfortable around beautiful women.
A lot of guys have no problem approaching average or good looking girls, but when that 9 or 10 comes along they freeze. It’s because they aren’t comfortable being around exceptionally beautiful women. If you are around beautiful women all the time you will desensitize yourself from their beauty. You will learn that hot girls are no different from normal girls. You will stop putting them on a pedestal and you will never think again that “she is out of your league.” Sometimes it takes dating a couple really hot girls to discover this. If you haven’t yet, your best option is to surround yourself with really beautiful women all the time and through osmosis pick up the subtle cues.

The thing is, exceptionally beautiful women are hard to find. Getting access to these turbo girls is the hardest part. You need to be around a lot of beautiful women to learn how they think and act. Fortunately, strip clubs are open 7 days/week and filled with the hottest girls with a wide variety of girls your city has to offer.

When you’re in a strip club, it looks like you have the power. You sit down and wait for a hot girl to approach you. You get what you see. That smoking hot girl that is half naked will sit on your lap, touch you and have a conversation with you. When she leaves, the next hot half naked girl will approach you. If you go plenty of times to strip clubs then eventually you will get used having hot girls around you. Plus, once you have good game and start dating a couple of them you will learn that these girls are just like any other girl.

Just because they are exotic dancers doesn’t mean anything to you anymore. She is just another pretty girl. Subsequently, every hot girl now you approach will sense through your subcommunications that you have been around hot girls like her. That automatically makes you look confident and she will automatically assume positive traits about you (preselection).

2. Test of your conversational and frame control skills.
Stripper game focuses a lot on verbal communication. Your body language and subcommunications are still very important, but your conversation becomes more important in stripper game than normal cold approach game. You are seated with her on your lap or she is seated next to you. As soon you start talking the clock starts ticking. You need to be able to steer the conversation to your advantage and escalate verbally along the way. You need to disengage her mind that she is in the strip club to make money by having a good and interesting conversation. Time and money are your biggest enemies in a strip club.

Exotic dancers have no tolerance for bullshit. If they can sense you’re not going to fork over the money, they’re gone. So they will test your frame and break it as soon as they can. They don’t want to waste time so they will test you a lot. If you flinch or fail the test (you get no chance to recover from failure with strippers) you lose and she is off to the next guy. That’s why your margin for error with exotic dancers is so small because their tolerance level is so low. It’s your job to maintain control of the conversation and don’t let her hijack your frame and conversation. Remember, these girls are gamers. They game you for money and you are gaming a gamer. It’s the clash of titans and the one with the stronger frame wins. You better be the one with the stronger frame. Practicing frame control techniques is great in strip clubs because these girls will constantly test you for it. The Don, a god when it comes to picking up strippers, summarizes it in one sentence: “You might be $60 an hour interesting, but are you $200 an hour interesting?”

3. Makes your attraction game diverse and fluid.
Getting girls attracted to you is not very hard. Anyone who has done over a couple hundred approaches can even tell you this. Attraction can be generated in seconds, but with strippers this is a lot harder and you need all three types of attraction effectively used. Mr M dissected the different types of attraction in his post The Comprehensive Guide to Attraction. For the sake of this article, we will focus on three types of attraction: state based, intrigue based, and warm and fuzzy attraction. Most guys can get away with either being really good at just one of these types of attraction. Some guys are naturally good at being funny and silly (state based), others can be very interesting and mysterious (intrigue based), while some guys can also show, besides their masculine traits, their softer side (warm and fuzzy).

In order to successfully pick up a stripper, you need to be able to do all of them multiple times throughout the pickup. In cold approach you might get away with just being with building one type of attraction, but that doesn’t work with strippers. You need to be able to pump up her emotions (state based), get her logical mind engaged (intrigue based), and make her feel connected to you on a deeper level (warm and fuzzy) all mixed with each other and fluidly transition between them. When you can make an exotic dancer attracted to you, that’s a good barometer of how strong your attraction game is. You are able to use all three types of attraction to make any girl feel attracted to you. Before you might have gotten away by just utilizing one type of attraction, but after you learn stripper game you can use all three types of attraction building techniques to make virtually any girl attracted to you.

4. Really good qualification.
You came to the strip club to see some tits and ass. These girls are aware of that as soon you step in the strip club. They know already that you like them for their beauty. Every guy does. To successfully pick up a stripper you need to show her that you don’t like her just for her beauty, but also for personality and other non-physical characteristics. This is very difficult because you’re going into their territory where men generally are going after the women for just their beauty and body. At the same time that’s their power but you have to flip the script where you are the sexual selector. You do this by running VERY GOOD qualification and giving her compliments that make her feel validated. Remember, qualification is key for building good rapport and comfort with her. Without qualification, she won’t feel validated by you nor invested in you. Qualification for exotic dancers is not much different, but it needs to be tighter.

Strippers get compliments on their beauty all the time but never for non-physical characteristics, like their personality, sense of humor, ambitions, beliefs, and so on. It’s not good enough to show her that you like her for non-physical things. It’s necessary, but not sufficient. You really need to hit her hard on different personality characteristics in order for an exotic dancer feel validated by you and to make her invest in you. By getting her invested in you she will backwards rationalize that she’s attracted to you (cognitive dissonance) and you open the door for building comfort with her. If you can do this with strippers, you can do it to any girl and it will be even more powerful.

5. Solid comfort game.
Building an emotional connection is essential for exotic dancers and the majority part of stripper game is going to be comfort game. This is different from night game where you don’t always have to have a strong emotional connection and the majority is attraction game. For picking up strippers you need regular comfort game but it has be tight, flow, and make her feel so connected that she almost is crying because of the rollercoaster of emotions she is feeling. It’s regular comfort game on steroids.

Even though these girls are among the hottest girls in your city, you have to remember they are just like any girl. They have insecurities, are sick of being judged, misunderstood, and guys just wanting them for their body. Plus other annoyances every hot girl has. If you can show her that you understand her by running wide and deep rapport then she will feel strongly connected to you and validated. That emotional connection has to be really strong because strippers are among the flakiest people you will ever meet. You thought that hot club girl was flaky? Multiply that times ten with strippers.

One thing you need to keep in mind with stripper game is this: SILENCE IS DEATH. That goes back to having good conversational skills. If you let the conversation die for just a little bit, she will get back to her routine trying to get money from you. You’ll need to be able to talk, talk, talk, and talk. If you can’t run your mouth for long periods of time, you will not be able to pick up a stripper. That doesn’t mean you can just rant. You have to talk to her that is emotionally appealing and that makes her feel connected to you unlike any guy she has ever met.

In a cold approach setting you can wander off, reopen later, do hard takeaways and all that. With strippers, not so much. As soon you two are talking, you’ll have to get to work by continually running your mouth. That doesn’t mean that she can’t say anything back or that it’s a monologue, but the main idea is that the conversation can NEVER die. You need to build this particular skill set. This immensely helps your game for on dates. In a stripper pick up you constantly need to be talking but on a date you can slow it down while running the same comfort game to make her feel connected and validated by you. Ever since I acquired this comfort game, I’ve been able to sleep with a majority of girls on the first date.

Are you discouraged learning stripper game? Don’t be intimidated by stripper game because it’s actually easy to learn. I learned it in a short span of time, but I definitely credit this by taking the Strippers and Hired Guns seminar by Braddock and The Don. They teach you a model for picking up strippers so you can learn it step-by-step and you will know that to do. They will also give you material you can use so you know what to say and when to say it. Now I regularly date strippers which are perfect for friends with benefits relationships (that’s what I want right now in my life). I credit my stripper game 100% on that seminar. If you want to learn how to pick up strippers, definitely check it out.

avoid non needyness and feelings

I m listening to one of the most interesting materials out there. David Deangelo's interview with MArie...

I will do a breakdown on it.

I will review other material on GAME.

Unfortunately Deangelo's doesnt focus on relationships or after 6 months with a woman.

His attraction game is more of a natural than actual seduction community.

The mindset

inner game post: how woman got seduced by the devil..fall of man

this post is indepth of how devil seduced eve to eat out of the forbidden fruit...
people say its the womans fault but its actually Adam's Fault.

as God had ordered adam and not Eve.

listening and breaking the conversation down from Snake with Eve... he opens with question? indirect opener then intrigues her and hooks her.

then turns things around for her to doubt God's orders and she then makes the desciosion cause Snake tempted her by using something that intersted and to her benefit...which were based on lies.

that is why white lie and little lies are LIES.

I will try to re write this but for now its a great refernce how manipulating the DEVIL is .

another thing the devil knows how GOD works and the main purpose of man...so he tries to get men to get outside that with manipulation.

devil isnt omnipresent but send legions of demons to make things tough for thouse who dont follow him.

one night with sandros

Im going to go over this post here with my night in new york. a wonderful evening in the most wonderful city in the world... I will return to miami tomorrow.so i will make this as memorable as a romance novel or the sex tape "one night in Paris" .LOL

some guys just touch over my situation to NEXT

Was this the same girl that kept your legal papers or something because you left? If so, WTF are you doing man?? You must like the punishment.

Edit: Listen, I have followed most of your stories and honestly, get your shit together first. Stop dating/fucking whatever it is you are doing until your get your personal life in order. Otherwise, you are doomed to keep repeating the same mistakes over and over. My two coppers.

TaL

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Mistakes happen, nothing to worry about. I've made some pretty big ones that when I think back on them I think "wow, that was stupid".

I can remember last years time I had a really bad oneitis for a girl which lasted for months. When I got over the oneitis, I thought to myself "why would I get so emotionally invested over something so petty?" I thought there is no need to put that much thought into something like that or feel so strongly (i.e.: oneitis) because one day I'll be dead and in the big picture, that sort of thing does not matter. I'd much rather focus on my own wellness and do things I like to do vs. obsess over a girl.

I've briefly read over your posts and all I can say is leave the situation for good and do what is best for you. Think with a level head, don't attach negativity to it, relax and just have other things going on so it doesn't mean as much.

D-Boy

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I'm happy you appreciate my opinion... but honestly I only comment where I believe I can actually help.
I agree with other guys.
You obviously need to get your shit together.

You don't need this girl and why are you trying to get her to help with anything?

You need to be able to do shit like that yourself.

From all your threads about this girl all I could do was repeat what others have told you.

I believe you need to cut all contact asap.

She is destructive to you.

You need to raise your value in your own eyes before you play the game with women like that.

Most of the women in the world are there to be used and tossed aside until they better themselves or find some poor sap willing to take their shit.
You don't want to be the poor sap.Shell

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NEXT

Stop seeing this biotch. It's counter-productive to your development.
Rob

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the best revenge is just.......quit without alarming...she will think rest of her life 'what exactly happend to you'...but as far as i observe your situation...this is kinda more like mine.my mind was messed up and 'no contact' seemed very difficult to me (almost impossible)..whenever i decided to next her..she texted me..and i again changed my decision....so quitting without alarming was a hard thing for me to do....so i decided to quit it horriblly (so that she wont send me text again and will not try to contact).

you are fucked up with oneitis...its a disease...you are in a deep emotional well (state)its a dark place to live...you have to come out of this well mate..otherwise you are not getting anything good.

and the only solution to come out of this is to beat her !...and you can do this by just NEXTING HER !...quit it anyway you can...once you stop contacting her..then you will come into survival mode..where you will desperately want to seek the way out of this shit well....sooner or later...you will find the way.

good luck.

Charmer
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So I wrote this long ass post to try to help you out, but then I deleted it because all you need to know is:

- You're lonely. That's why value her input so much. NOT because she is of value.

- Focus on what you're doing for yourself for you OWN personal goals.

- Keep fucking her if you want. Don't verbalise anything. YOU DON'T NEED TO NEGOTIATE AN AGREEMENT AS TO HOW YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH HER SHOULD BE. She will stay with you for sex without you commiting anything more than your cock. Trust me. She's lonely too.

- I HAVE HEARD ENOUGH ABOUT THIS PSYCHO WOMAN WHO HAS CHASED YOU IN HER CAR AND ALREADY TRIED TO FUCK YOU OVER. FIND SOME OTHER GIRLS DAMN YOU!

Look. Let's be honest here. You think you need her lawyer services, right? That's the excuse you're gonna use to have her as a fuck buddy? My friend, there are other lawyers. Have sex with her, and find another lawyer for your legal issues. You've already been told many times.

DON'T YOU DARE COME BACK WITH A RESPONSE OTHER THAN "I FUCKED THE SHIT OUTTA THIS GIRL LAST NIGHT. I FOUND ANOTHER LAWYER TO TAKE CARE OF MY LEGAL SHIT, I'VE GOT POTENTIAL HOOKUPS WITH THREE OTHER GIRLS IN THE NEXT THREE DAYS, AND I GOT MYSELF A JOB TO GET ME BY FOR A WHILE."

NOW GO BE A MAN AND GET YOUR DICK WET!

FUCKIN HELL!

figjam
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stop posting shits about you and her....how many times god damn fuck we r gonna tell you the right path.

just stop fucking contacting with her else go and fuck her without any attachment


JESUS CHRIST. !

Charmer
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so far i have cut contact...

I feel like a doode for recontacting her in the first place.

Im going to nyc on a roadtrip to pick up my stuff and focus on my future.

by july 2010 I have to be in a program.period. thats my goal.

Charmer you are right I find myslef in survival mode.

I laugh a bit about being needy with the oneitis ... before this i had game to back up getting other girls quickly,so I have that figured out..

like many guys here mentioned is that Im still in the process of gettign my stuff together and like my friend said once I get there.... id be from a position of strength.


I'm surprised D-Boy didnt post earlier , but no hard feelings.

Hurray for NExTing !!!!!

relapse and the autopsy of destruction

this is a personal post..I learned why i did it and how powerful emotions are to a point of blinding you.

I want to post this wonderful email from a good friend:


You know brother I'm no relationship expert but to me your main focus and energy should be on getting your future layed out.

Its always easy and nice to take comfort in the arms of a woman but at times they can make you more vulnerable than before.

She's all set. Has a life and career, nothing to lose. What she wants is a guy for whatever her needs are and what suits her.

You need to get to that point and you will soon enough.

Don't fall victim to foolishness.

If she was a great gal and a rock to support you then its different.Only you know what she's worth.

I've been searching long and hard for that "one" but I'm realizing that I still need to get myself in place first before I concentrate on that.

These are my thoughts only. In these matters when emotion is involved, it is hard to stay pragmatic but only you can decide what's best.

No advice is right or wrong. Just an opinion.

I trust you'll make the right decission.

I'm always here for anything you need.

Believe me when I say I wish I could help more but I'm in a situation I am trying to sort out as well.

All my love and support

I read this and I teared...i had loss my self worth within looking for love and support comfort in a woman's arms...

it was the worng woman and if I was in a stable position, I wouldnt have contacted her at all.

Im cutting contact with her.

this motivates me to further work on my situation.

over justification effect and finding value girls

I read these cause Im having a tought time motivating myself with game...I love sex and women but after knowing more about what I want in a woman and how i want to value myself.. I noticed Ive been half ass ' in a bit after enjoying experienceing getting women deeply into you..its addictive at first but how the type of girls you get involved with is important to me..I see myself putting less effort.

why? i know the type of woman I want Long term and I wont make the mistake of getting involved just have a GF.

Franco's book did help me and made me understand how valueable it is to know the type of women there is and how to game them....and with which a Long Term relationship would NEVER work out to your benefit.

Im looking to move forward on m y personal things and like tim said:

I firmly believe that if a man is not on top of his stuff, then he doesn’t deserve a high quality woman. It is like deserving unearned riches. You can trick or fool or con people into giving you money just as you can trick or fool or con a girl into you but deep down in your soul something still is not right. It is bad.

Entropy talks about overjustification effect:

http://www.entropypua.com/blog/over-justification-effect#commenting

How women show apathy when he thinks his sets arent going anywhere within 30 sec...

I saw how Doc Strangelove did game social proof' at the party and he hooked hardcore,my intuition told me that it was a solid set from the start, there was chemistry and she was attracted to his personality aside from his SOLID GAME he did a great job of conveying himself.I think he can get something going.She is attracted to the super cool genuine guy.


Someone also posted this reference of Brad P. I read it and its like real PUA's or ladies man reach to a point of wanting a girl of value.
http://bradp.com/finding-girls-value

I personally want this with a high value woman or what franco calls a "good girl".
I can go out have fun and meet girls and even sleep with them, deep comfort really builds the emotional connection, etc...

I changed now cause Im more picky with my investing of my time with gaming... after the relationship with psycho attorney..I read into relationships and Franco's theories on them.

Reading and learning all that , made me see a farther view from just the opener and F-close out of the whole deal....

its the type of women you spend your time with....

BradP happens to recently explain on why he feels that way as well.

this is a guy that has fucked alot of girls and has a psycology background and experience helping men.


I decide to repost this here but make sure check out the bloglist on the right side.
Peace!

Finding Girls with VALUE
Wed, 09/02/2009
I'd love to hear your comments guys, this is just something I'm working through and thinking about today.

It's hard to find girls with value. Not just girls who are hot, there's plenty of those out there, I mean girls with across the board value. When I say value, I don't mean it the same way we usually discuss it here. We usually think in terms of social value, because that's what we're trying to exhibit in interaction with women. Women evaluate men on social value and that's all well and good, but we're evaluating them in a different way.

I've been banging an awful lot of girls lately, and I'm sure a bunch of them would love to be my GF, but it hasn't really been appealing to me much and I realize why. They're not presenting me with enough total value to the point where having a serious, committed relationship with them would be an addition to my lifestyle.

I evaluate them on the following-

1. Social value: Can I take this girl out and will she be hot enough to not detract from what I've got going on? Will she not be a social burden? Will she be funny and smooth with my friends? Or will she embarrass me/bore me/etc.

2. Sexual value- Is she great in bed? Any special skills? Deep-throating? Threesomes? Will she bring chicks with no prodding or just be another passenger on the 3some train? Can she do it all the time? Is she whiney or does she complain in bed? does she REALIZE that she must bring sexual value into my life in order to have a chance with me? has she made an effort to understand what men are into sexually, or does she condemn natural male desires?

3. Lifestyle value- Does she have cool friends or dorky friends? Does she have some pain in the ass family members that she doesn't know how to handle correctly? Does she have a cool job, cool interests, and cool dreams? Or is she a prisoner of her life, stuck in the 9to5?

4. Emotional value- Is she needy or secure? Does she contribute positive emotions or is she a black hole of negative emotional energy? Does she inspire me by knowing new things I've never thought of before?

Wow sure sounds like a lot to ask, huh? But it becomes an issue when you've put many years of work into improving yourself; you end up eventually....improved. I have cool stuff going on, I have my shit together. It's so hard to find girls that can stack up to that. Most just don't do much to improve their life. A lot of hot girls don't get the whole thing about having value and building value, because they've never had to really work for anything. But then these girls want to be my GF and it's almost like dealing with an AFC who doesn't understand he's getting blown out because his social value is too low. I'm not complaining here...because I'm more than happy to keep these hotties around as fuck buddies....but if the time comes that I become interested in something more serious it's going to be a real difficult search I'm thinking.

I have some thoughts on filtering it. I get so many lays from cold approaches, and the girls are hot, but it's so unfiltered in terms of other types of value. I find that a lot of times you get some slightly better filtering when you deal with these girls who have beauty jobs- like the model/actress/waitress types. I like those girls, but I've noticed that most of them haven't succeeded and it's easy to see why. They're always lacking something and that's why they're waiting tables during the week still. I'd probably be better off looking for girls who have actually succeeded in one of those areas. Like there's this one girl who's probably got a better chance to be my GF than the rest, and she's a pro ballerina. The fact that she's had some level of success seems to correlate with the fact that she presents pretty high value in all of the above mentioned categories.

If anyone would like to riff on this train of thought please go right ahead. Email me at bradp@bradp.com!

Brad P.

FR: Halloween ,rockstar FL style

It was halloween...it all started with having burgers at this place in midtown miami at biscayne...strangelove pua decided to get creative and as i recall it was 6pm starts pulling out his iphone and use it as his social network weapon...

Sends out an interesting mass text to get to a hot party to go to..and ofcourse we arent going to a sausagefest but an actual feast.

strangelove pua decides to put them to work...aha! phone keep ringin' from the texts received like a coin slot machine in vegas...

Aparently strange happen to like on of the parties to go ..from a woman he had communicated awhile back.we will call her HBbumble bee.

We decided to get ready to go rock it!

I was pimpd' out while he was rockstar w fanpage....

as soon as we got there Boom, i knew it was on....I musr say that Im not an expert in social circle game but I saw that strange had done it before..cool.

We had Hb bumblebee waiting for us there... she was slender hot blonde... he began to build social proof wihtin the people and other guests...there was HBpirate who certainly showed she was the attention whore.

strnagelove was doing massive kino and sexual escalting her BT by kino and leading ...
I thought it was a sure close by her compliance but HBpirate cock block would try to take her away...typical bargirl taking her friend away..I noticed it was a form of a shit test.i came in to try to game HB pirate but it did to drive her away from interfering with strangelove's cube....Imagine a guy doing the cube on a drunk chick that hs her hands all over him?
strangelove did assume rapport off the bat and she was serving us drinks.... then HB pirate had her friends stop by which interfered in stranges set..he did the right thing to turn to me and we started talking to avoid lowering our value...

key here is that in the party of hot girls and gay guys we were the puas..and strange was "face " of the party...social proof every person that came in.

then after the pattern interrupt, a young girl, we call her HBmagichat, I liked her..cute and came with a guy probable bf or guy she is seeing..."zombie"

i was more in tune of social reading the venue and party and due to the nyquill i started to feel drowsy..things were going slow and the girls tht were there to game were all HOT and strage girls..there was another ukraine chick but I figured she was more in low energy for a party...not a real good candidate for SNL...and was just seeing strange do his thing...

as soon as HB magichat came in strange opened indirect and she signed his fanclub fron there she was hooked...I was sitting on couch as I observed him go at it.

he lead her to convo , perfect bodylanguage and BOOM. Locked in... he was qualifying her and she kept ignoring the otehr guy she came with...

I then tried to listen in the set and noticed hb pirate talking shit to hbbumblebee and zombie...she was bitching about strangelove talking w hb magic and about strangelove..I would observe and its was a weak attempt to give him negative social proof cause it really looked like HB magic was into strangelove...
this ofcourse creates competition and hbpirate lost it and was hammering at hb bumblebee...at that point hb bumblebee and hb pirate had friends wait outside that didnt want to join in the party.... hb pirate seemed like alpha female and took hb bumblebee. this left gay guys and couples..one hot hb magic and strangelove pua do magic together...outside. i remember how Fuji moved a chair when i sat down in south beach when it was interfering in a convo with a girl I had approached.
Strangelove got a chair and position himself halfway near her and just ran SOLID verbal game... he was there and I heard him talk about stanley kubrik..insane!!! cause she was just like "yeah , sure" complete IOI's green light... I notice that she put her hand on his chest...

then strangelove ran an amog routine I never heard of...

SGT HARTMAN roleplay amog routine from full metal jacket
like a reinactment of a scene.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8Nf1MK7lts

they were talking about movies and zombie shit head comes in seeking rapport and strangelove leads and gets up and plays as sgt hartman...has the zombie chode play as private.LOL.

amazing! :)

after that I would go outside and id see the scary view of the "psycho alcatraz"LOL

I went back and i was just wasted..then the guys form the party and homeowner GAYMOGGED me.. I treated them like a shit test from a girl and smiled at everything they said.
jorge came in and sat in the couch wasted ...unconcious of what i had observed his game..he had become a natural.

We get GAYMOGGED...then HB bumblebee comes out from nowhere all drunk and friendly, shows and IOI to jorge and complements us and lays her head on his lap. Strangelove doesnt hesitate to go for kiss close and dominates...

She then almost falls to sleep on his lap while HB magic is outside w zombie...

zombie had spent being social nice guy being tooled and owned by a PUA.

I despise "zombie", total Chode.....I guess learning game makes you aware of enviroment , value ...like having x ray vision...

after that strangelove said lets bounce..the party was empty and since i had rested I was able to safelty drive us home...

it became obvious to me after asking strangelove about the set....that he was doing it unconcious...unconcious competence.

we took a break as i took a nap and he headed out after he recorved to drive....

I saw the pics the next day and boy !!! the pics were slammin' but doesnt do justice to the game I saw happend.

this is one of theose thing where you realize in your life how far you and you closest friend have grown out of the negative programming to make themselves superior men.

this one goes in chapter 6.

memorable and priceless