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I usually do more seduction and try not to overthink too much with too much theory. Been busy with an important exam coming up so been studying that.
BUT I like to go out during daytime here in Miami.
2 days ago I ran into a strange situation.
I had to run errands. this is art of where I go to talk with strangers etc..
daygame etc
I usually do more inital eye contact and use my deep voice as per Jesse's voice excersize video. i dont joke too much but use alot of eye contact and very sly semi sexual and smirk..and see if she gives non verbal IOIs then I open my mouth about random stuff.
but today somethign I noticed...
Cashier semi attractive big tits 27 yr old latin/cuban woman 8*, though very limited in talking with clients...She would give me eye contact, I tried even throwing in a joke and she kept looking elsewhere or down but not directly at me, like breaking rapport in subtle way.
next bank teller ,
blonde 20 yr old really young sexy latin/cuban another *8..
I was talking to her to pay something, I noticed she was doing superficial rapport and not checking me out at all. I then start throwing a story in to "DHV" ,still she ignored not even pay attention to what I was saying.
Also avoided eye contact all together and ran superficial rapport. She avoid further talk.
Im unsure if I should let it go/withdraw NEXT or break rapport to make her uneasy and move interaction forward.
Like to hear from Jesse and you guys who have experienced this and noticed.
I dont usually get this but Im not sure if it has to deal with type of woman, or the mindset of detecting that reaction when the girl is not reacting at all towards you period.
I usually get noticed by women, they hold eye contact or even initate eye contact with me and hold it.
but most latin or Cuban women intially to me ,they avoid eye contact or look down like avoiding at all cost eventhough we are talking.
Its something not to obesess about but Id like to hear your thoughts on how you see this and can be talked about.
is it a physical sh*t test for you to do something or is it basically not interested and NEXT....
this would be very intersting to hear.
Thanks
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#2 (permalink) 12-01-2010, 12:31 PM
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Well, as always the world doesnt turn around you Sandee, so occasional miss eye contact is acceptable. If you really want to have a person make eye contact with you, you can always try some unconventional stuff, like creating awkward situation or pauses...
Dont over think this.
Btw, I missed your intro. Did you do it?
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#3 (permalink) 12-01-2010, 04:12 PM
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Well, as always the world doesnt turn around you Sandee, so occasional miss eye contact is acceptable. If you really want to have a person make eye contact with you, you can always try some unconventional stuff, like creating awkward situation or pauses...
Dont over think this.
Btw, I missed your intro. Did you do it?
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Intro? PM me.thanks
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#4 (permalink) 12-02-2010, 10:10 AM
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Sandee, many girls will specifically look away or look down when they feel ATTRACTED to you. So it's really tough to gauge attraction levels when a girl is not making eye contact. She could be feeling nothing OR she could be feeling sexual heat and that's her automated response to deal with it - avert her eyes.
You don't want to get into a habit of looking for eye contact either, ideally. A woman gives you eye contact and you feel validated. Your state spikes and you feel better.
The next girl doesn't give you eye contact, and you wonder what's wrong. Your state slips.
Your state goes up and down, and you start gaming just to get eye contact rather than opening. Not at all saying that is what's happening here, but just something to watch for!
Persistence is your friend here. If a girl is averting her eyes, you need to keep talking to her (with a touch if you can) so that she has time to become comfortable, and then she'll start making eye contact back.
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#5 (permalink) 12-02-2010, 10:38 AM
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Its one of thouse things that when I started using non verbal sexual cuing with women, a whole perspective opened up....
as you explain this very well, YES, as I started getting these women that "avoid personal rapport/avoid eye contact", My inner self went into short circuit.
YES, You are dead on brother!
that is whats happening, I got to stop doing that.
Persistance, definately will try to be more.
You totally understand me Jesse, Thank you bro
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by Franco » Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:18 am
Hello Sandros,
Yes physical shit tests do exist.
I analyze your descriptions of non verbal situations:
>casheir semi attractive big tits 32 yrs old latin/cuban woman 8*, though >very limited in talking with clients...She would give me eye contact, I tried >even throwing in a joke and she kept looking elsewhere or down but not >directly at me, like breaking rapport in subtle way.
Usually if she does not like you she looks to the side. It´s an instinctive reaction. Men do the same: if you see a UG on your way instinctively you turn your head to the other side. This reactions of hers: first giving EC and then looking elsewhere or down tells me more that she is either shy or was caught off guard by your approach.
>next bank teller ,
>blonde 20 yr old really young sexy latin/cuban another *8..
>I was talking to her to pay something, I noticed she was doing superficial >rapport and not checking me out at all. I then start throwing a story in to >"DHV" ,still she ignored not even pay attention to what I was saying.
>Also avoided eye contact all together and ran superficial rapport. She >avoid further talk.
This one is being professional: she gave you the clear message "Don´t mess with me. I am working and being a professional here."
In my opinion the first one had comfort issues when you approached and you got her off guard. So work on comfort. The second one you can next: she gave you the clear message that she is working and does not want/cannot let you in.
>Im unsure if I should let it go/withdraw NEXT or break rapport ish type of >push pull compliment to gauge attention and push the interaction when >this happens.
Risk taking is always good still.. you need to also be good in investing your energy to avoid loss of time. Time is gold in business and... sarging. I would say with the first one you can try to build more comfort and with the second one risk taking would carry a cost of opportunity which is too big especially if there are other nice girls around.
Cheers, Franco
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Like to hear from Franco and you guys who have experienced this and noticed.
I dont usually get this but Im not sure if it has to deal with type of woman, or the mindset of detecting that reaction when the girl is not reacting at all towards you period.
I usually get noticed by women, they hold eye contact or even initate eye contact with me and hold it.
but most latin women intially they avoid eye contact or look down like avoiding at all cost eventhough we are talking.
Its something not to obesess about but Id like to hear your thoughts on how you see this and can be talked about.
is it a physical shite test for you to do something or is it basically not interested and NEXT....
this would be very intersting to hear.
Thanks[/quote]
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by papa sandros » Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:48 am
Thank you Franco,
I find it weird. but it makes sense. Some women dont want so I NEXT.
YEs the field taught me stuff and Im glad you can tell me its true about physical shit test.
Thank you talk soon
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TRipps :
Hey Tripp,
sorry Ive been away.
Np. I've been super busy too.
Ive been studying for an exam and went to interviews.Its alot of stuff.
That's good though.
I think we have a couple of minutes left to talk.
1. Daygame: I do daygame usually when Im doing things. Ive been having better louder sound in my voice due to rehersing karaoke.lol.
Good. A more solid voice is always a good thing.
I noticed here in Miami, latin women arent that friendly.
couple of things happen with hired guns here is: They avoid eye contact.women whether cashier or bank teller or supermarket checkout girl.
Hmm. Avoiding eye contact is very bad for a hired gun. That means those employees don't give a shit about their job. "Hired guns" are just that, girls that are hired because of their looks but are also required to be social. Of course, the jobs you mention here, most of those girls look at those jobs as just "filler", basically meaningless. A paycheck and that's it. When you think of "hired guns", think more of strippers and waitresses. Things like that. Those women had a purpose when they got those jobs. To look good to make money.
Even though I throw my voice and eliciting IOI's by bodylanguage.
Ok, how do you mean you're eliciting IOI's by body language? What are you doing?
They avoid eye contact, its like superficial rapport.
this has happend several ocassions.
So today went to bank teller to explain about an account I had in NY and that I owed money to the bank, I moved here in FL.
Well, talking to a bank teller about an old account you owe money on . . . isn't exactly high value, lol.
She was really pretty, I did bodylanguage and smiled but not too much...threw in 2 DHVs to create attraction "I had this account when I lived in NY,now moved here to Miami but was away US, so Im trying to catch up from traveling" since She wasnt really listening to me...still no reaction....Whoa...whats wrong?
From what it sounds to me, probably wondering how you traveled if you owe money on a bank account. Or thinks you're irresponsible to travel while owing money on a bank account. Just my take from what I'm reading, bro.
its daygame and I was thinking ok,its usually rapport based attraction...
she had green eyes, I thought mysterys are they real or throw in a joke but at that point it was time to bounce.
I don't see that working in this particular situation.
the other ones gave no chance of even building rapport nor eye contact..
its weird. then I bumped into this article which explained how women here are.http://www.seductionscience.com/2010/south-beach-miami/
""The women are not particularly friendly. Not mean. But not really friendly either. Picking up by being a laid back, “nice guy” won’t cut it. Expect blow out after blow out and stay in the set no matter what until you turn them around. It’s intense and a rush, but don’t expect to just breeze on in and pull girls with little effort.""
I dont like nightgame and I havent been doing any nightgame either.
I did have few intereactions w women to hook up online but thats fools mate.
Ok, I understand not liking night game since it's not for everyone, but the LEARNING curve is MUCH faster when learning night game. But, why do you not like fool's mate?
I wanted your thoughts on daygame and some suggestions from sticking points. here mentioned and would be great addition to talk.
Daygame uses the same attraction switches as night game, but it's a much different pace. Night game is about the fastest pace you'll find. Day game is much slower in a way, but you also have to realize that during the day, women have this "to do" list in their head, so may not be too open to talking then either. They are thinking, "I need to get this and this and this done. I don't have time to talk." Other women are just leisurely taking their time because they HAVE plenty of time. You have to calibrate to each of those.
Im taking my exam 1st week in December, was going to take it in november cause its very broad.
Lets talk soon,
thanks,
We should be able to talk soon. I may be able to squeeze 30 minutes in this week. I've got a really busy week. And I've got my first book signing this Saturday, plus Thanksgiving Thursday and all that.
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