Showing posts with label indirect. Show all posts
Showing posts with label indirect. Show all posts

Monday, June 14, 2010

Night Game Model — Part 2

In part one of my night game model, we covered some basics about night game (venues, types of girls, etc.) and what I do before I open a set (pre-selection). In part two, we’re going to cover opening and the first 30 seconds or so of conversation.

Opening

There are three different ways to open: direct, indirect and situational (which is another form of indirect usually). I’d say I tend to go situational 50% of the time, direct 40% of the time and indirect 10%.

When it’s best to go direct: When there’s a good logistical situation. For instance, if it’s a two or three-set, the girl looks like she’s looking for a guy (remember the people reading skills from part one), and her friends are distracted. Also, if there aren’t any guys around, although 90% of guys will back down and STFU if you have the balls to go direct in front of them. The only other situations I do direct is when I *REALLY* like a girl — i.e., she looks very intriguing to me as well as beautiful (really hot nerdy girls are a good example).

My direct is usually low-key because I’m a big guy and if I get too aggressive, I throw girls off. “Hi, I wanted to come meet you, I’m Mark” is probably at least half of my direct opens. Sinn’s “You guys look cool, are you friendly,” almost always hooks, etc. If you’re a smaller or shorter guy, I’d recommend coming in with more aggression and energy, something like, “You’re really sexy, I had to come meet you,” while kino’ing hard.
When I go situational: If you’re good at improvising lines based on the environment around you, situational is often the best way to go. It hooks just about every time and comes across as very genuine and spontaneous. I try to do it as much as possible.

Some stock situational lines I use: girl sitting by herself, I say, “Are you in time out?” If the bar is crowded, sometimes I bet the girl next to me a drink that I get served first. If some girls look really bored, I come over and say, “Look, this is a ‘fun-only’ zone, we need to fix this.”

Indirect: I save indirect openers (opinion openers, anything you’d find in the Routines Manual) for larger groups or mixed sets. “Drunk I Love You’s” opens groups of 4+ sufficiently 90% of the time. Google it if you don’t know what it is. It’s basically the new, “Who lies more?”

Transitioning and Cold Reading

Just as in the day game model, I ALWAYS transition with a cold read.

If I went direct, I’ll transition with a basic cold read about the group. If I noticed something interesting about them before I opened (again, people-reading, pre-selecting… see part 1), I comment on that. These cold reads usually range from neutral to hit the nail on the head. When you hit the nail on the head with your cold read, combined with the direct, you have pretty much instant attraction. A few months ago, I opened this really tall brunette direct, and cold read her job perfectly my very next line (”You look like a closet nerd, I bet you’re an engineer or something.”) I was right and she FREAKED the fuck out. The attraction was immediately through the roof and the rest of the set was a matter of escalating.

If I don’t have anything to cold read on the specific set, I use one of a couple stock cold reads: “You don’t look like you’re from X,” “You guys look like you’ve been friends forever,” etc.

This will always get the conversation started down a general thread. As I’ll focus on later, you want every conversation to be about one of two things: you or her. I don’t really fuck around with routines, games or gimmicks. I want to know about her ASAP and want to share myself ASAP, so these cold-reads get that started pretty quickly. On top of that, they eliminate the annoying “interview question” habit and that percentage of the time when you cold read them right, you get a nice boost of attraction.

Note: Often, just by cold reading them correctly and going direct, I’ll already have more than enough attraction to get laid by this point. Let me say that again. By simply going direct, having great non-verbals, and cold reading well, I’ll often have enough attraction to get laid. The rest is a matter of escalating well. The biggest tip off for this is if she immediately starts asking YOU interview questions.

For instance, I have sets that go like this sometimes:

Me: “Hi, excuse me, I thought you were cute and wanted to meet you. I’m Mark.”
Her: “Oh wow, thank you.”
Me: “I got a really cool vibe from you, you seem more artistic than most of the other girls here.”
Her: “Oh… wow, I’m a photographer, how did you know that? That’s amazing.”
Me: “I just had a feeling, that’s why I wanted to meet you.”
Her: “Cool. So where are you from?”

BAM! As soon as that, “where are you from?” comes out, in my mind, the game’s over. Unless I majorly fuck up my escalation or comfort, she and I are going to get together.

A lot of guys fight against girls giving them interview questions, and this has never made sense to me. If a girl is asking you questions, she’s conveying nothing but interest. Why you would ever punish her for that is beyond me.

Cold reading off of indirect openers: Same concepts apply. The only difference is if we get into a conversation based on my opener, I’ll adjust my cold read for the conversation. For instance, let’s say I use, “Drunk, I love you’s:”

Me: “Hey guys, quick question, do drunk I love’s you count?”
Them: “What are those?”
Me: “See, my buddy Jack got drunk last night and texted this girl that he loved her. But he doesn’t remember doing it and now she thinks they’re a couple. What should he do?”
Them: Blah, blah, blah (they usually say he can’t take it back.)
Me: “Well, I’m sure you’ve done some stupid shit when you’ve been drunk.”
Her: “OMG, you have no idea.”
Me: (Go into crazy drunk story)

This will get you about 30-60 seconds into the conversation. In part 3, I’m going to through how I cycle attraction and comfort. Again, similar to the day game model where you cycle qualification and comfort, at night, I usually cycle teasing and comfort. We’ll talk about that next time.

Thursday, November 19, 2009

the secret of non neediness,forgiveness in relationships and my secret innergame

Hey guys Ive been on a roll doing shit test excersizes and using misinterpretation to creat attraction from it.
In the past to creat attraction I used her shit test until I did alot of comfort and got stuck in it.
I realized that entropy was right,"if you want your game back it will come"

I got shit tested in a forum just BS..but weirdly got dissed by some girls...since I was in shit test aka congruence test review from jeffy in his book and tyler foundations section on congruence test taught me the mindset.

I used to focus on the tactics (in attraction tactics is important!)but I noticed tyler and jeffy how they act and the mindset...I learned best of game by modeling and replicating the mindset and adapt the positive to my personality.


FRAMES are so important, so ... I responded to this girls shit tests until my intuition told me she was hooked :)

my game is coming back... :)
it was more frame and shit test handling and projecting funny vibe...

I did use swingcatt shit test response.lol

but creating attraction is sooo easy but its what you do with it.

THE SECRET OF NON NEEDINESS AND PASSING SHIT TEST IS NOT CARING!

You dont care and doesnt phase you cause you know who you are and you act like you are the shit so you become the shit .. YOU ACT as IF you become it!
Its weird and non needy yet attractive.

I dont like talking my feelings to a woman, its weak.

I have to work on my congreunce of what I project...Im different from nyc, so I have to rewrite my dhv's and work on my attraction game (mehow chapter,JTasian playboy article , BR adam,RSD 12 )

comfort I had it lock down...have to work on it but its much easier than attraction.

Jeffys book did help me alot...Im inspired by him and his book does contain important pickup techniques on game.

WoW! Anyway , I was happy to get an email from him,It wasnt an assistant Im sure it was him by the way he responded.

I stoped reading other books...i realize that to read game you have to game.

Im focusing on daygame, going indirect since Im at library...I did hesitate abit but once you start socializing you get in rhythm.

Im also going to look for a gym tomorrow.

thanksgiving is coming and Im excited...I want to volunteer serving homeless people food cause I at one point was almost homeless.

On Wednesday,God spoke to me through my pastor who preaches so well that I feel he reads game or is just awesome.

He spoke on good and bad ...I asked him on forgiveness and relationships, he gave an awesome answer..when you are in a relationship and your partner cheats or commits adultery, then you have the right to walk away and not foriven them or go back the them. The bible does say forgive 60 x 60 but in love and relationships God is strict and commands that a man is above a woman, it isnt even 50/50 thing...something that even Franco talks about as a seduction artist who isnt a believer of God confrims this out of experience with alot of women.

My Innergame comes from beliefs in myself and faith in God.Its different but I intrepret bible with game and makes sense that God wants us rich and wants the best for us...jesus did make wine out of water and was around tax men and prostitutes, he wasnt with them but he was all around man who was loved and hated by many but admired, very charismatic...Im not religious or follow those preachers that have weird interpretations of bible to make it easy to save people and be mediocre with serious themes as God...I believe its being true to yourself and honest to God and ask him to help you and give you wisdom, You read the bible wherever you open it or you intuition tells you...he talks to me through my thoughts.Its a powerful effect of enlightment.

Self help and connecting it with God, its like the ultimate man.

Anyway Im out cause I had along day....

Talk to you guys soon.


-s

Wednesday, February 11, 2009

Day Game review infield in nyc - Direct vs Indirect

Hey I like doing daygame alot I get talkative I walk use bodylanguage to know what opener to use ...

First when I started I go out and kick myself for not appraoching and take it hard..

Im very analytical but when infield I just go for it,then it comes to me...

I learned from Doc Holliday early in this before he retired to go direct ....

I had the chance of meeting this guy who goes by AWAKEN ,
he is here in nyc....
His style is more different and somethings I havent had the guts to do he does and gets away with it ...kind of wygant- janka style but more touching. He is SICK that he does subway PU's that I almost piss in my pants when he had a british woman kept moving the convo therefore it was like she was gaming him....shit like that is what makes nyc fabulous.

I started with indirect in daygame got alot of numbers alot of flakes and I use it when they are moving targets or they are near me and I just aks them based on situational...

It depends street,supermarket,etc... you have to think on your feet and sometimes it doesnt go anywhere...

that's the down side

Direct is like Doc describes better but not alot of women react to it.....

Im not sure if its low sexual self esteem when you hit direct on a 6 or 7 HB....
I hit one that from the back was blonde big boobs I went direct and did eyecontact with a light smile
(Ala Saffron, that fucker lol)

She didnt know what the fuck to do I carried the convo and was sweedish but said she was in a hurry and walked away...no number close .

anyways I dont overthink infield so I opened a another one when I saw pizza for a buck frozen section and she was near .

I asked her if they were good she said she didnt know

I told her they look like there good and that accent from jesrsey she said upstate , I said cool :)

Im in residency here so Im not to familiar with the area she asked me where and if I was a nurse
I said "you silly I should hit you with this pizza upside your head goofball"
(playfuly delivered she laughed)

Her: "aha Im taking my lawyer test ,,,"

we kept talking and she walked away....

I re entered and was comfortable and friendly and did the mehow reverse number close since it was ninjaesque....

She said I was funny and I shoould have said that she liked it but I said that you you are fun too...

ALWAYSS GIVE VALUE and REWARD HER FOR COMPLYING

then she said she had a BF I said "thats cool we are just socializing gettin to know each other :)"

she was very attractive..


OK you read this and you will see the pros and cons based on infield you decide what to use.

I use indirect for warmups after my 3rd set I go Direct cause Im in talkative state and it flows easier after the energy power of delivery of DIRECT it becomes a regular convo but we both know its cause Im attracted to her.....

The problem with daygame is TIME CONSTRAINT! I couldnt pull out the nlp "poem of glory"
ala valentines day...LOL!

sandro