LIOs, AIs and Ayn Rand
Posted at May 8, 2007
I’m getting world class at LIOs (Low Investment Openers).
A Wing and I pulled a 2set of 21 year old hotties last sat. night. My Opener? “This song was real popular when I was in High School.” Then, I plowed for 2 minutes. Until said Wing came in and occupied obstacle.
We ended up pulling the 2set to the Pirate Pad. I got mine totally naked (awesome fit 21year old perfect body — Day2 is tonight) but I got LMR and ended up fingering her instead. She tried to give me a handjob but it’s near impossible for me to get off that way.
Here’s one from last night which also went well: “Red shoes. Interesting.”
I’m also getting world class at getting girls to open me off of their AI. I wrote a post about it “Why Old Ladies Love CJ” or something a week or so ago.
And, I’m pleased with the overall increase in Youth and Quality of my last month or so of Gaming. Some time ago, not sure exactly when, I made a decision to upgrade the quality. I recommend quantity for beginners, even intermediates with huge Outer Game SPs, but it’s time for me to focus on hotter specimens.
Finally, here’s an excerpt which I included and discussed in the “How to Get More Newsletter…”
“How do you propose to force your ideas on them?”
“I don’t propose to force or be forced. Those who want me will come to me.”
Then the Dean understood what had puzzled him in Roark’s manner.
“You know,” he said, “you would sound much more convincing if you spoke as if you cared whether I agreed with you or not.”
“That’s true,” said Roark. “I don’t care whether you agree with me or not.” He said it so simply that it did not sound offensive, it sounded like the statement of a fact which he noticed, puzzled, for the first time.
“You don’t care what others think – which might be understandable. But you don’t care even to make them think as you do?”
“No.”
“But that’s…that’s monstrous.”
“Is it? Probably. I couldn’t say.”
(Excerpted from “The Fountainhead” by Ayn Rand, p.26)
~ Captain Jack ~
Showing posts with label elicitng IOI's. Show all posts
Showing posts with label elicitng IOI's. Show all posts
Saturday, January 15, 2011
Old ladies love Captain Jack
8 Why Old Ladies Love CJ – Mystery Solved
Posted at April 24, 2007Old ladies love Captain Jack. (And, by old I mean from 35+ year old MILFs to 75 year old shrivel-ovaried grandmas.)
It always bothered me WHY? WHY? Why me? I can be rolling out with a thousand puas and the old ladies open ME…
Is it because I look helpless? Or, easy? Or, nice and harmless?
This has bothered me for a year or more now.
I’m sure I know why now and the answer came from a seemingly unrelated source.
On the flip side of this I wondered, “Why can’t I get hot girls to open me (without absurd/extreme Peacocking)?”
I thought about it for a bit and put it in my mind to become aware of the solution (see: Reticular Activating System).
One night Sinn, Fidelio and I were out and SURE enough a hot girl opened me. Sinn saw it and told me he saw the whole thing.
Apparently she had given an AI to one of us a couple times. When I noticed the AI I acknowledged it, SHE then gave another acknowledgment and we started walking towards each other, then she started talking to me.
That sounded right so I tried it again the next night and got opened by two different sets, one hot and one not.
* Get an AI.
* Acknowledge it (eye contact, a slight smile and a slight turning of the body towards them.)
* When she acknowledges back smile and start walking towards her.
Sounds simple enough right?
I avoided AI’s early in my PU efforts because I’ve seen guys depend on them. Then, when they don’t get them they have trouble approaching or think there is something wrong with their appearance etc and it fucks up their night.
Then, when I was working so hard on Cold Approach I wanted it to be FREEZING cold, meaning no AI’s, no peacocking, no pawns, just me vs. everybody.
So, Saturday night I am chatting with some people and I notice a girl looking at me from a table across the room. I acknowledge, she acknowledges back and as I take the first half step she waves me over (format holds true with positive consequences in 3 out of 3 instances…)
But, she intros me to her friend. She AI’ed me over for her friend. Interesting.
Her friend (HBBlondeTattoo) is hotter, too so this is great!
I ended up pulling her, her friend and another guy back to the Pirate Pad for an After Party.
I got LMR from HBBlondeTattoo so no Lay (yet) but she is a cute little blonde with 3 awesome tattoos.
I’m using Sinn and Future’s
Breakthrough Comfort
with her now to get more practice.
Now, here’s where the Old Ladies come back in. I realized that I had been DIS-Acknowledging (or outright ignoring) AI’s from the hotties and being friendly and acknowledging old ladies AI’s.
So, last night I purposefully disacknowledged two old ladies’ AI’s.
Problem solved AND I’ve got a better grasp on skillfully taking advantage of AI’s from hotties.
~ Captain Jack ~
Posted at April 24, 2007Old ladies love Captain Jack. (And, by old I mean from 35+ year old MILFs to 75 year old shrivel-ovaried grandmas.)
It always bothered me WHY? WHY? Why me? I can be rolling out with a thousand puas and the old ladies open ME…
Is it because I look helpless? Or, easy? Or, nice and harmless?
This has bothered me for a year or more now.
I’m sure I know why now and the answer came from a seemingly unrelated source.
On the flip side of this I wondered, “Why can’t I get hot girls to open me (without absurd/extreme Peacocking)?”
I thought about it for a bit and put it in my mind to become aware of the solution (see: Reticular Activating System).
One night Sinn, Fidelio and I were out and SURE enough a hot girl opened me. Sinn saw it and told me he saw the whole thing.
Apparently she had given an AI to one of us a couple times. When I noticed the AI I acknowledged it, SHE then gave another acknowledgment and we started walking towards each other, then she started talking to me.
That sounded right so I tried it again the next night and got opened by two different sets, one hot and one not.
* Get an AI.
* Acknowledge it (eye contact, a slight smile and a slight turning of the body towards them.)
* When she acknowledges back smile and start walking towards her.
Sounds simple enough right?
I avoided AI’s early in my PU efforts because I’ve seen guys depend on them. Then, when they don’t get them they have trouble approaching or think there is something wrong with their appearance etc and it fucks up their night.
Then, when I was working so hard on Cold Approach I wanted it to be FREEZING cold, meaning no AI’s, no peacocking, no pawns, just me vs. everybody.
So, Saturday night I am chatting with some people and I notice a girl looking at me from a table across the room. I acknowledge, she acknowledges back and as I take the first half step she waves me over (format holds true with positive consequences in 3 out of 3 instances…)
But, she intros me to her friend. She AI’ed me over for her friend. Interesting.
Her friend (HBBlondeTattoo) is hotter, too so this is great!
I ended up pulling her, her friend and another guy back to the Pirate Pad for an After Party.
I got LMR from HBBlondeTattoo so no Lay (yet) but she is a cute little blonde with 3 awesome tattoos.
I’m using Sinn and Future’s
Breakthrough Comfort
with her now to get more practice.
Now, here’s where the Old Ladies come back in. I realized that I had been DIS-Acknowledging (or outright ignoring) AI’s from the hotties and being friendly and acknowledging old ladies AI’s.
So, last night I purposefully disacknowledged two old ladies’ AI’s.
Problem solved AND I’ve got a better grasp on skillfully taking advantage of AI’s from hotties.
~ Captain Jack ~
Thursday, January 13, 2011
Licking lips is non verbal sexual cue , I accidentally used it, but what does it say?
I did it on a woman who was staring at me and was holding eye contact as she was driving by turning, I smiled a bit and holding my eye contact as I was talking on the phone and she was holding it and as she turned I licked my lips...
I did it without knowing but it worked...made her stop her car halfway after such a long stare of eye contact...
ofcourse if you dont hold it you look weak, its a physically shit test* (credit* Saffron)
So she drove steps further and put her hazard lights , that was opening for an Approach invitation.
FRANCO explains its the easiest Pickup
Get Plenty Of Women By Opening A Conversation On Approach Invitation
by Franco on January 8, 2011
This is probably the easiest way of doing pickup.
Opening a conversation with a woman on her approach invitation.
An approach invitation (AI) is something spontaneous and very often unconscious women do.
It implies the message: ”Please notice me, please talk to me.”
It is easy because all what you need to do is to slow down your pace, observe the environment and then open the conversation.
Approach invitations are:
- She looks at you and turns her head in the other direction rapidly.
- She smiles lightly to you, makes eye contact with you and then rapidly turns her head in the other direction.
- She walks close to you and if you change your place she is ”as for a case” again close to you.
- Playing nervously with her hand bag or other stuff she has in her hands
- Searching the content of her hand bag while close to you.
- Dropping stuff on the floor, while close to you.
- While walking she looks at you rapidly and then looks back.
- You walk by and she laughs louder while chatting with her girlfriends.
- She looks at her nails or checks the make up in her small mirror while you get close to her.
- Playing with her mobile when close to you, clearly without any intention of calling anyone.
What is crucial when you open in this way is the time between her approach invitation and the moment you open the conversation.
You have only a few seconds to open. If you wait too long you lost your chance.
Women are chased all the time by guys.
Realize that by doing this she is already making a big exception to what would be her average behavior in everyday life.
After a few seconds she will get rapidly into her ”I-am-not-a-slut” mode and you will lose your chance.
If you lose your chance because you are too slow to respond remember that it is always easier to open another woman who gives you an AI than persisting with the former.
Why women have their Ais last such a short time?
There are a few reasons:
- Other women can read their Ais much better than the average guy without experience with females. They would label her as a slut and ostracize her if she would do that ”too much.”
- Giving too overt Ais on the streets and other public venues would put women into danger: there are aggressive, dangerous men out there!
So she gives you her AI for a few seconds and then withdraws it.
That is your window of opportunity: it is a very fast, short message that she likes you and wants you to talk to her.
That is all what the average woman can do to break the social code.
Then it’s up to you.
Beware: some women nowadays began to approach men overtly in a very direct way. Those women are not the women of the best quality: they are the masculine dominant women who have learned to "match" male behavior.
In my book Getting the good girls it is described how to detect them fast and avoid them even faster.
You better approach the women who give you AIs. They are usually the best and most feminine ones! Better quality women.
When you see an AI quickly respond on it.
When she gives very subtle AIs better to approach her with some indirect opener.
Asking innocently a favor is something which works very well for me: it ”saves her face” after she gave the AI and makes her feel more comfortable.
For example:
Her: (looking at you and rapidly turning her head)
You: (slowing down and going to her side) ”Hey, I just came to town and looking for this restaurant, any idea where it could be?”
In the case her AI is more open, more direct you can get straight to the point:
Her: (smiling at you or laughing louder when you pass by)
You: Nice smile. You look just like my little sister. I bet you won the lottery today.
And then it is the time to engage her into a conversation.
One important thing: to notice Ais you need to slow down your pace. So walk slowly and be aware of the surroundings.
If you walk too fast you will not notice the Ais.
Awareness and speed are the crucial skills you need to start conversations
Another important thing is to be able to recognize the ”soft signs” of her horniness which I shared with you in the Manual of Seduction.
Franco
GOOD RESOURCE http://www.aquiziam.com/female_body_language2.html
Body Language Decoder - When You're Dating-Licks
http://www.cosmopolitan.com/sex-love/body-language/
LipsDecipher every move your man makes.
A man in lust will literally look like he's hungry, because on a carnal level, that's exactly what he is, explains Wood. "His facial expression reflects that craving, whether it be for a juicy piece of fruit or for sex." So if you catch him nibbling or licking his lips while he's looking at you, chances are good that you've whet his erotic appetite.
He licks his lips.
A man in lust will literally look like he's hungry, because on a carnal level, that's exactly what he is. So if you catch him doing these lip moves while he's looking at you, chances are good that you've wet his erotic appetite
Why is a girl licking her lips sexy?
I'm not stupid, i know it's sexy, but i'm not sure exactly why. Is it just because it is, does it resemble something...?
Best Answer -
It makes a guy think about what that girl can do to him with those lips. It takes the thought way beyond the guy's imagination.
Why do men lick there lips?
In: Men's Health
To feel sexy
Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_do_men_lick_there_lips#ixzz1Aywc0tcz
BODY LANGUAGE CHEMISTRY – SHOWING INTEREST IN A DATE
http://devilliers.wordpress.com/2008/05/16/body-language-chemistry-showing-interest-in-a-date/
Usually the first way two people connect is through looking into each other’s eyes. Before either of you speaks a single word, the eyes have already telegraphed messages. Messages can range from frank curiosity to cool assessment to shy interest. When you look deeply into a guy’s eyes, you’re telling him you think he’s the most fascinating person in the room. In fact, if you keep your eyes locked on his, what you’re saying is that as far as you’re concerned, he’s the only person in the room!
Full frontal eye contact can be risky, however. It can seem too bold and brazen to those men who are put off by such direct behaviour by women. But if you’re not the bashful maiden type, frankly gaze. In a way, it’s a form of natural selection. A guy who is freaked out by your open gaze is probably not a guy for you.
Arm Crossing
When a woman crosses her arms over her chest, it can be interpreted in a number of ways by a guy. It can telegraph the message that she’s a vulnerable female creature, an innocent little lamb who feels the need to protect herself from the Big Bad Wolf!
But arm crossing is also a way of telling a guy that you don’t like him at all and that your fondest wish at the moment is that he’ll go away.
Crossing your arms over your chest is also a sneaky way of drawing attention to your breasts. It’s a primitive gesture of sexual anticipation laced with sexual anxiety, which a man might correctly read as the woman’s acknowledgment of the basic Me Tarzan, You Jane chemistry happening between them.
Leaning Toward Him
The most common form of this is leaning forward when you’re sitting across from him. This gesture shows interest and acceptance. In short, it means you just think he’s the funniest, cutest, most fascinating creature put on the face of this earth.
But keep your poker face, player-girl! If you go overboard with the lean, you’re giving away your whole hand. You want to keep him guessing at least a little bit, right?
If you catch yourself practically falling into his lap, take a deep breath, sit back in your seat and rest your hands in your lap for a few minutes ‑– at least until you cool off.
If you find yourself leaning away from him, you’re either telling him you hate his guts or you’re working overtime to not let him know you’re all hot and bothered for him.
Leg Crossing
Leg crossing can be interpreted as a nervous or provocative gesture. Lots of people unconsciously cross and uncross their legs when they’re anxious. If you’re doing this, the man will correctly intuit that he’s somehow “getting” to you. In other words, it’s a dead giveaway to the guy that he’s unsettled you and his energy has thrown off your equilibrium. On the other hand, if you’re deliberately crossing your legs to show off your sexy gams, or deliberately pointing your top leg in his direction, it means you like him a lot. If you can’t stop crossing your legs and you’re virtually twitching in your seat, again this is an unconscious gesture that clearly tells a man that he’s really getting to you. You probably don’t want to give him that much power. If he knows you’re burning hot for him, he has the upper hand ‑– and you don’t want that. If something about him has really got you squirming, get up, take a walk or go home and take a cold shower.
Hair Twirling
Toying with your hair is a sure sign of nervousness. If you find yourself doing this, take a moment to ask yourself why this guy is making you nervous. Is it because he’s too handsome? Too incredibly clever? Is it because you can’t get your mind out of the gutter imagining what he would be like in bed? Save your agitation for later ‑– like when you finally fall asleep and have a red-hot dream about him!
Hair twirling can also be a playful gesture. Women with long hair tend to play with their hair. Hair is sexy and twirling and tossing it draws a man’s eye to it. But beware: Many guys say it really bugs them when women keep playing with their hair. Talk about sending the wrong message! What some women think is sexy is a major turnoff to some guys.
Lip Licking
This is purely physiological. Forget what they say about “drooling” over a hot guy. When we’re aroused and excited, our mouths get dry. If you find yourself licking your lips a lot in the company of a new man, it means that something about him is really getting to you. Watch out!
Lip licking clearly conveys the message that you’re interested in a man. It is a very sexy, and overt, type of body language ‑– that is, if it is done correctly. What we are talking about here is a slow, sultry swipe along your lips with the tip of your tongue. Just remember to use this one with caution. Your Flirt Object will probably think you are telling him you want to take him to bed. And maybe you do! If that’s the case and you’re both equally interested, by all means, lick your lips. It’s another way of saying, “Let’s go back to your place right now.” In other words, it’s an action getter.
Flared Nostrils
OH MY god, this is the mother of all body language signals! Flared nostrils are an irrefutable sign of sexual arousal. If you’re talking to a man and his nostrils are flaring, you can bet your booty he’s aching’ for you. And, um, it works vice versa. If your nostrils are flaring, your nipples are probably hard, too. If you’re flirting with a guy and you’ve both got the nostril thing going, look out. You might have to rent a hotel room
6 Body Language Clues That Say You're Interested.
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Your body speaks a language all its own. Without realizing it, how you sit, what you do with your hands, your legs, even your basic posture reveals volumes about you, namely what you're feeling, what you might be thinking and, most importantly, if that guy sitting across from you is getting to you.
The thing about body language is you want to be completely in control of it. You want to be aware of what messages you're sending and avoid telegraphing certain information you're not ready to give away. Dumb as they may seem sometimes, men are not exactly knuckleheads when it comes to interpreting a woman's body language. Any reasonably perceptive and intuitive guy you're flirting with is reading many things about you simply by studying your movements.
You can utilize your body language to your own advantage by transmitting only the messages you want him to receive, which gives you the upper hand. Body language has a lot in common with cell phone text messaging. It's shorthand information, meaning it's quick, direct and gets to the point.
Body Language Basics
Without even thinking about it, women almost always give physical tips that convey their level of interest in a man. The most common body language gestures that reveal at least minimal interest are hair twirling, hair tossing and leg crossing. When a woman tosses her hair, it comes across as a nervous gesture. What it tells the man is, he's making her a bit nervous. And to his mind, if she's nervous, she must be interested!
On the other hand, hair tossing, like leg crossing, is also a preening gesture. It's a way of calling attention or showing off a gorgeous, glossy mane (very sexy) or a terrific pair of gams (ditto, also very sexy!). But there are many other elemental gestures and basic postures that send a strong message to another person, all of which can be used to good effect.
Let's get started describing and interpreting them!
Eye Contact
Usually the first way two people connect is through looking into each other's eyes. Before either of you speaks a single word, the eyes have already telegraphed messages. Messages can range from frank curiosity to cool assessment to shy interest. When you look deeply into a guy's eyes, you're telling him you think he's the most fascinating person in the room. In fact, if you keep your eyes locked on his, what you're saying is that as far as you're concerned, he's the only person in the room!
Full frontal eye contact can be risky, however. It can seem too bold and brazen to those men who are put off by such direct behavior by women. But if you're not the bashful maiden type, frankly gaze. In a way, it's a form of natural selection. A guy who is freaked out by your open gaze is probably not a guy for you.
Arm Crossing
When a woman crosses her arms over her chest, it can be interpreted in a number of ways by a guy. It can telegraph the message that she's a vulnerable female creature, an innocent little lamb who feels the need to protect herself from the Big Bad Wolf!
But arm crossing is also a way of telling a guy that you don't like him at all and that your fondest wish at the moment is that he'll go away.
Crossing your arms over your chest is also a sneaky way of drawing attention to your breasts. It's a primitive gesture of sexual anticipation laced with sexual anxiety, which a man might correctly read as the woman's acknowledgment of the basic Me Tarzan, You Jane chemistry happening between them.
Leaning Toward Him
The most common form of this is leaning forward when you're sitting across from him. This gesture shows interest and acceptance. In short, it means you just think he's the funniest, cutest, most fascinating creature put on the face of this earth.
But keep your poker face, player-girl! If you go overboard with the lean, you're giving away your whole hand. You want to keep him guessing at least a little bit, right?
If you catch yourself practically falling into his lap, take a deep breath, sit back in your seat and rest your hands in your lap for a few minutes ‑- at least until you cool off.
If you find yourself leaning away from him, you're either telling him you hate his guts or you're working overtime to not let him know you're all hot and bothered for him.
Crossing
Leg crossing can be interpreted as a nervous or provocative gesture. Lots of people unconsciously cross and uncross their legs when they're anxious. If you're doing this, the man will correctly intuit that he's somehow "getting" to you. In other words, it's a dead giveaway to the guy that he's unsettled you and his energy has thrown off your equilibrium. On the other hand, if you're deliberately crossing your legs to show off your sexy gams, or deliberately pointing your top leg in his direction, it means you like him a lot. If you can't stop crossing your legs and you're virtually twitching in your seat, again this is an unconscious gesture that clearly tells a man that he's really getting to you. You probably don't want to give him that much power. If he knows you're burning hot for him, he has the upper hand ‑- and you don't want that. If something about him has really got you squirming, get up, take a walk or go home and take a cold shower.
Hair Twirling
Toying with your hair is a sure sign of nervousness. If you find yourself doing this, take a moment to ask yourself why this guy is making you nervous. Is it because he's too handsome? Too incredibly clever? Is it because you can't get your mind out of the gutter imagining what he would be like in bed? Save your agitation for later ‑- like when you finally fall asleep and have a red-hot dream about him!
Hair twirling can also be a playful gesture. Women with long hair tend to play with their hair. Hair is sexy and twirling and tossing it draws a man's eye to it. But beware: Many guys say it really bugs them when women keep playing with their hair. Talk about sending the wrong message! What some women think is sexy is a major turnoff to some guys.
Lip Licking
This is purely physiological. Forget what they say about "drooling" over a hot guy. When we're aroused and excited, our mouths get dry. If you find yourself licking your lips a lot in the company of a new man, it means that something about him is really getting to you. Watch out!
Lip licking clearly conveys the message that you're interested in a man. It is a very sexy, and overt, type of body language ‑- that is, if it is done correctly. What we are talking about here is a slow, sultry swipe along your lips with the tip of your tongue. Just remember to use this one with caution. Your Flirt Object will probably think you are telling him you want to take him to bed. And maybe you do! If that's the case and you're both equally interested, by all means, lick your lips. It's another way of saying, "Let's go back to your place right now." In other words, it's an action-getter.
Flared Nostrils
Omigod, this is the mother of all body language signals! Flared nostrils are an irrefutable sign of sexual arousal. If you're talking to a man and his nostrils are flaring, you can bet your booty he's achin' for you. And, um, it works vice versa. If your nostrils are flaring, your nipples are probably hard, too. If you're flirting with a guy and you've both got the nostril thing going, look out. You might have to rent a hotel room!
I did it without knowing but it worked...made her stop her car halfway after such a long stare of eye contact...
ofcourse if you dont hold it you look weak, its a physically shit test* (credit* Saffron)
So she drove steps further and put her hazard lights , that was opening for an Approach invitation.
FRANCO explains its the easiest Pickup
Get Plenty Of Women By Opening A Conversation On Approach Invitation
by Franco on January 8, 2011
This is probably the easiest way of doing pickup.
Opening a conversation with a woman on her approach invitation.
An approach invitation (AI) is something spontaneous and very often unconscious women do.
It implies the message: ”Please notice me, please talk to me.”
It is easy because all what you need to do is to slow down your pace, observe the environment and then open the conversation.
Approach invitations are:
- She looks at you and turns her head in the other direction rapidly.
- She smiles lightly to you, makes eye contact with you and then rapidly turns her head in the other direction.
- She walks close to you and if you change your place she is ”as for a case” again close to you.
- Playing nervously with her hand bag or other stuff she has in her hands
- Searching the content of her hand bag while close to you.
- Dropping stuff on the floor, while close to you.
- While walking she looks at you rapidly and then looks back.
- You walk by and she laughs louder while chatting with her girlfriends.
- She looks at her nails or checks the make up in her small mirror while you get close to her.
- Playing with her mobile when close to you, clearly without any intention of calling anyone.
What is crucial when you open in this way is the time between her approach invitation and the moment you open the conversation.
You have only a few seconds to open. If you wait too long you lost your chance.
Women are chased all the time by guys.
Realize that by doing this she is already making a big exception to what would be her average behavior in everyday life.
After a few seconds she will get rapidly into her ”I-am-not-a-slut” mode and you will lose your chance.
If you lose your chance because you are too slow to respond remember that it is always easier to open another woman who gives you an AI than persisting with the former.
Why women have their Ais last such a short time?
There are a few reasons:
- Other women can read their Ais much better than the average guy without experience with females. They would label her as a slut and ostracize her if she would do that ”too much.”
- Giving too overt Ais on the streets and other public venues would put women into danger: there are aggressive, dangerous men out there!
So she gives you her AI for a few seconds and then withdraws it.
That is your window of opportunity: it is a very fast, short message that she likes you and wants you to talk to her.
That is all what the average woman can do to break the social code.
Then it’s up to you.
Beware: some women nowadays began to approach men overtly in a very direct way. Those women are not the women of the best quality: they are the masculine dominant women who have learned to "match" male behavior.
In my book Getting the good girls it is described how to detect them fast and avoid them even faster.
You better approach the women who give you AIs. They are usually the best and most feminine ones! Better quality women.
When you see an AI quickly respond on it.
When she gives very subtle AIs better to approach her with some indirect opener.
Asking innocently a favor is something which works very well for me: it ”saves her face” after she gave the AI and makes her feel more comfortable.
For example:
Her: (looking at you and rapidly turning her head)
You: (slowing down and going to her side) ”Hey, I just came to town and looking for this restaurant, any idea where it could be?”
In the case her AI is more open, more direct you can get straight to the point:
Her: (smiling at you or laughing louder when you pass by)
You: Nice smile. You look just like my little sister. I bet you won the lottery today.
And then it is the time to engage her into a conversation.
One important thing: to notice Ais you need to slow down your pace. So walk slowly and be aware of the surroundings.
If you walk too fast you will not notice the Ais.
Awareness and speed are the crucial skills you need to start conversations
Another important thing is to be able to recognize the ”soft signs” of her horniness which I shared with you in the Manual of Seduction.
Franco
GOOD RESOURCE http://www.aquiziam.com/female_body_language2.html
Body Language Decoder - When You're Dating-Licks
http://www.cosmopolitan.com/sex-love/body-language/
LipsDecipher every move your man makes.
A man in lust will literally look like he's hungry, because on a carnal level, that's exactly what he is, explains Wood. "His facial expression reflects that craving, whether it be for a juicy piece of fruit or for sex." So if you catch him nibbling or licking his lips while he's looking at you, chances are good that you've whet his erotic appetite.
He licks his lips.
A man in lust will literally look like he's hungry, because on a carnal level, that's exactly what he is. So if you catch him doing these lip moves while he's looking at you, chances are good that you've wet his erotic appetite
Why is a girl licking her lips sexy?
I'm not stupid, i know it's sexy, but i'm not sure exactly why. Is it just because it is, does it resemble something...?
Best Answer -
It makes a guy think about what that girl can do to him with those lips. It takes the thought way beyond the guy's imagination.
Why do men lick there lips?
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To feel sexy
Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_do_men_lick_there_lips#ixzz1Aywc0tcz
BODY LANGUAGE CHEMISTRY – SHOWING INTEREST IN A DATE
http://devilliers.wordpress.com/2008/05/16/body-language-chemistry-showing-interest-in-a-date/
Usually the first way two people connect is through looking into each other’s eyes. Before either of you speaks a single word, the eyes have already telegraphed messages. Messages can range from frank curiosity to cool assessment to shy interest. When you look deeply into a guy’s eyes, you’re telling him you think he’s the most fascinating person in the room. In fact, if you keep your eyes locked on his, what you’re saying is that as far as you’re concerned, he’s the only person in the room!
Full frontal eye contact can be risky, however. It can seem too bold and brazen to those men who are put off by such direct behaviour by women. But if you’re not the bashful maiden type, frankly gaze. In a way, it’s a form of natural selection. A guy who is freaked out by your open gaze is probably not a guy for you.
Arm Crossing
When a woman crosses her arms over her chest, it can be interpreted in a number of ways by a guy. It can telegraph the message that she’s a vulnerable female creature, an innocent little lamb who feels the need to protect herself from the Big Bad Wolf!
But arm crossing is also a way of telling a guy that you don’t like him at all and that your fondest wish at the moment is that he’ll go away.
Crossing your arms over your chest is also a sneaky way of drawing attention to your breasts. It’s a primitive gesture of sexual anticipation laced with sexual anxiety, which a man might correctly read as the woman’s acknowledgment of the basic Me Tarzan, You Jane chemistry happening between them.
Leaning Toward Him
The most common form of this is leaning forward when you’re sitting across from him. This gesture shows interest and acceptance. In short, it means you just think he’s the funniest, cutest, most fascinating creature put on the face of this earth.
But keep your poker face, player-girl! If you go overboard with the lean, you’re giving away your whole hand. You want to keep him guessing at least a little bit, right?
If you catch yourself practically falling into his lap, take a deep breath, sit back in your seat and rest your hands in your lap for a few minutes ‑– at least until you cool off.
If you find yourself leaning away from him, you’re either telling him you hate his guts or you’re working overtime to not let him know you’re all hot and bothered for him.
Leg Crossing
Leg crossing can be interpreted as a nervous or provocative gesture. Lots of people unconsciously cross and uncross their legs when they’re anxious. If you’re doing this, the man will correctly intuit that he’s somehow “getting” to you. In other words, it’s a dead giveaway to the guy that he’s unsettled you and his energy has thrown off your equilibrium. On the other hand, if you’re deliberately crossing your legs to show off your sexy gams, or deliberately pointing your top leg in his direction, it means you like him a lot. If you can’t stop crossing your legs and you’re virtually twitching in your seat, again this is an unconscious gesture that clearly tells a man that he’s really getting to you. You probably don’t want to give him that much power. If he knows you’re burning hot for him, he has the upper hand ‑– and you don’t want that. If something about him has really got you squirming, get up, take a walk or go home and take a cold shower.
Hair Twirling
Toying with your hair is a sure sign of nervousness. If you find yourself doing this, take a moment to ask yourself why this guy is making you nervous. Is it because he’s too handsome? Too incredibly clever? Is it because you can’t get your mind out of the gutter imagining what he would be like in bed? Save your agitation for later ‑– like when you finally fall asleep and have a red-hot dream about him!
Hair twirling can also be a playful gesture. Women with long hair tend to play with their hair. Hair is sexy and twirling and tossing it draws a man’s eye to it. But beware: Many guys say it really bugs them when women keep playing with their hair. Talk about sending the wrong message! What some women think is sexy is a major turnoff to some guys.
Lip Licking
This is purely physiological. Forget what they say about “drooling” over a hot guy. When we’re aroused and excited, our mouths get dry. If you find yourself licking your lips a lot in the company of a new man, it means that something about him is really getting to you. Watch out!
Lip licking clearly conveys the message that you’re interested in a man. It is a very sexy, and overt, type of body language ‑– that is, if it is done correctly. What we are talking about here is a slow, sultry swipe along your lips with the tip of your tongue. Just remember to use this one with caution. Your Flirt Object will probably think you are telling him you want to take him to bed. And maybe you do! If that’s the case and you’re both equally interested, by all means, lick your lips. It’s another way of saying, “Let’s go back to your place right now.” In other words, it’s an action getter.
Flared Nostrils
OH MY god, this is the mother of all body language signals! Flared nostrils are an irrefutable sign of sexual arousal. If you’re talking to a man and his nostrils are flaring, you can bet your booty he’s aching’ for you. And, um, it works vice versa. If your nostrils are flaring, your nipples are probably hard, too. If you’re flirting with a guy and you’ve both got the nostril thing going, look out. You might have to rent a hotel room
6 Body Language Clues That Say You're Interested.
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Your body speaks a language all its own. Without realizing it, how you sit, what you do with your hands, your legs, even your basic posture reveals volumes about you, namely what you're feeling, what you might be thinking and, most importantly, if that guy sitting across from you is getting to you.
The thing about body language is you want to be completely in control of it. You want to be aware of what messages you're sending and avoid telegraphing certain information you're not ready to give away. Dumb as they may seem sometimes, men are not exactly knuckleheads when it comes to interpreting a woman's body language. Any reasonably perceptive and intuitive guy you're flirting with is reading many things about you simply by studying your movements.
You can utilize your body language to your own advantage by transmitting only the messages you want him to receive, which gives you the upper hand. Body language has a lot in common with cell phone text messaging. It's shorthand information, meaning it's quick, direct and gets to the point.
Body Language Basics
Without even thinking about it, women almost always give physical tips that convey their level of interest in a man. The most common body language gestures that reveal at least minimal interest are hair twirling, hair tossing and leg crossing. When a woman tosses her hair, it comes across as a nervous gesture. What it tells the man is, he's making her a bit nervous. And to his mind, if she's nervous, she must be interested!
On the other hand, hair tossing, like leg crossing, is also a preening gesture. It's a way of calling attention or showing off a gorgeous, glossy mane (very sexy) or a terrific pair of gams (ditto, also very sexy!). But there are many other elemental gestures and basic postures that send a strong message to another person, all of which can be used to good effect.
Let's get started describing and interpreting them!
Eye Contact
Usually the first way two people connect is through looking into each other's eyes. Before either of you speaks a single word, the eyes have already telegraphed messages. Messages can range from frank curiosity to cool assessment to shy interest. When you look deeply into a guy's eyes, you're telling him you think he's the most fascinating person in the room. In fact, if you keep your eyes locked on his, what you're saying is that as far as you're concerned, he's the only person in the room!
Full frontal eye contact can be risky, however. It can seem too bold and brazen to those men who are put off by such direct behavior by women. But if you're not the bashful maiden type, frankly gaze. In a way, it's a form of natural selection. A guy who is freaked out by your open gaze is probably not a guy for you.
Arm Crossing
When a woman crosses her arms over her chest, it can be interpreted in a number of ways by a guy. It can telegraph the message that she's a vulnerable female creature, an innocent little lamb who feels the need to protect herself from the Big Bad Wolf!
But arm crossing is also a way of telling a guy that you don't like him at all and that your fondest wish at the moment is that he'll go away.
Crossing your arms over your chest is also a sneaky way of drawing attention to your breasts. It's a primitive gesture of sexual anticipation laced with sexual anxiety, which a man might correctly read as the woman's acknowledgment of the basic Me Tarzan, You Jane chemistry happening between them.
Leaning Toward Him
The most common form of this is leaning forward when you're sitting across from him. This gesture shows interest and acceptance. In short, it means you just think he's the funniest, cutest, most fascinating creature put on the face of this earth.
But keep your poker face, player-girl! If you go overboard with the lean, you're giving away your whole hand. You want to keep him guessing at least a little bit, right?
If you catch yourself practically falling into his lap, take a deep breath, sit back in your seat and rest your hands in your lap for a few minutes ‑- at least until you cool off.
If you find yourself leaning away from him, you're either telling him you hate his guts or you're working overtime to not let him know you're all hot and bothered for him.
Crossing
Leg crossing can be interpreted as a nervous or provocative gesture. Lots of people unconsciously cross and uncross their legs when they're anxious. If you're doing this, the man will correctly intuit that he's somehow "getting" to you. In other words, it's a dead giveaway to the guy that he's unsettled you and his energy has thrown off your equilibrium. On the other hand, if you're deliberately crossing your legs to show off your sexy gams, or deliberately pointing your top leg in his direction, it means you like him a lot. If you can't stop crossing your legs and you're virtually twitching in your seat, again this is an unconscious gesture that clearly tells a man that he's really getting to you. You probably don't want to give him that much power. If he knows you're burning hot for him, he has the upper hand ‑- and you don't want that. If something about him has really got you squirming, get up, take a walk or go home and take a cold shower.
Hair Twirling
Toying with your hair is a sure sign of nervousness. If you find yourself doing this, take a moment to ask yourself why this guy is making you nervous. Is it because he's too handsome? Too incredibly clever? Is it because you can't get your mind out of the gutter imagining what he would be like in bed? Save your agitation for later ‑- like when you finally fall asleep and have a red-hot dream about him!
Hair twirling can also be a playful gesture. Women with long hair tend to play with their hair. Hair is sexy and twirling and tossing it draws a man's eye to it. But beware: Many guys say it really bugs them when women keep playing with their hair. Talk about sending the wrong message! What some women think is sexy is a major turnoff to some guys.
Lip Licking
This is purely physiological. Forget what they say about "drooling" over a hot guy. When we're aroused and excited, our mouths get dry. If you find yourself licking your lips a lot in the company of a new man, it means that something about him is really getting to you. Watch out!
Lip licking clearly conveys the message that you're interested in a man. It is a very sexy, and overt, type of body language ‑- that is, if it is done correctly. What we are talking about here is a slow, sultry swipe along your lips with the tip of your tongue. Just remember to use this one with caution. Your Flirt Object will probably think you are telling him you want to take him to bed. And maybe you do! If that's the case and you're both equally interested, by all means, lick your lips. It's another way of saying, "Let's go back to your place right now." In other words, it's an action-getter.
Flared Nostrils
Omigod, this is the mother of all body language signals! Flared nostrils are an irrefutable sign of sexual arousal. If you're talking to a man and his nostrils are flaring, you can bet your booty he's achin' for you. And, um, it works vice versa. If your nostrils are flaring, your nipples are probably hard, too. If you're flirting with a guy and you've both got the nostril thing going, look out. You might have to rent a hotel room!
Thursday, December 9, 2010
Elicitng IOIs excerpt of natural game GAMBLER
After months of going out, I realised that there were ways to make my job of attracting women much easier. I could cold-approach a seated group of five, isolate one of them, go off somewhere and go for the close. However, I learned that by only considering cold approaches I was missing out on a lot of much easier opportunities. I also realised that I could do certain things to increase my success rate on cold approaches, by increasing my value within a location first. The easiest approach is a warm approach; the second easiest is a cold approach in a location where you already have a lot of value. Here’s how you make your approaches easier and maximise the chances of success:
Opening Cold vs. Opening Warm
cold approach is when you open a girl and are unsure of the response you’ll get. She has not shown interest in you and may not have even noticed you. A warm approach is one where you think the response will be at least somewhat positive because you’ve made eye contact or received some sign of interest. Obviously, if all our approaches could be warm approaches, the results would be a lot more successful. There are ways of increasing the ratio of warm to cold approaches and these are:
Stantan ding out in a Positive Way
Being Mr. Sociable and talking to people other than the hottest women will disarm them. They’ll see you having fun with people, and by the time you get near them they will be a lot more open and receptive. This is easier than trying to stand out in a club by being super-cool, since many other guys are trying to do the same.
Skill of the Natatural -
Forcing IOIs
Most guys deal with eye contact from a girl in one of three ways. What do you do? Do you:
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ervously look away?
Hold eye contact until she looks away?
Force a smile?
These are all pretty bad and I’m sure you’ve done at least two of the above. You can still wonder why a girl was looking at you and use the uncertainty as an excuse not to approach. Maybe she was looking at someone else; maybe you have a spot on your nose; maybe she was just daydreaming. In ninety percent of cases, she is looking at you and would welcome your approach, but there is always the other ten percent and that is enough to discourage most guys from ever approaching! Here’s what to do: force her interest! When you’ve got eye contact with the girl, provoke a response from her by doing something like: pointing at her; waving; raising your glass; making a cheeky face; poking your tongue out. Personally, I do my trademark point; I guess it looks like something Joey from
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Making Things Easier
Natural Game - The System For Being A Natural With Women55
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riends would do. The girl is compelled to respond. The number of responses she can give is limited. She can:
Mirror your action.
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mile.
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mile and look away, embarrassed.
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ook away in disgust.
Turn up her lip as if to say, “What the hell is he doing?”
If you get a positive reaction, you can approach straight away and don’t need to think of anything clever to say. If you get a negative reaction, you probably won’t get a good one when you open. Many of my girlfriends were initially approached after forcing their interest. It’s one of my best skills and makes my life a lot easier. It should become a reflex action, as if you had studied kung fu and you move without thinking when someone attacks you. It requires a lot less confidence to force a girl’s interest than to approach cold.
Approacaching aft er an In dicatcatcation of Int erest
If she gave you a sign of interest, it’s doubtful that she’s not attracted, so go for it! I usually use, “Hey, how’s it going?” Longer or indirect openers (like asking for an opinion) will kill tension. Just be bold, direct, and assume attraction.
Opening Cold vs. Opening Warm
cold approach is when you open a girl and are unsure of the response you’ll get. She has not shown interest in you and may not have even noticed you. A warm approach is one where you think the response will be at least somewhat positive because you’ve made eye contact or received some sign of interest. Obviously, if all our approaches could be warm approaches, the results would be a lot more successful. There are ways of increasing the ratio of warm to cold approaches and these are:
Stantan ding out in a Positive Way
Being Mr. Sociable and talking to people other than the hottest women will disarm them. They’ll see you having fun with people, and by the time you get near them they will be a lot more open and receptive. This is easier than trying to stand out in a club by being super-cool, since many other guys are trying to do the same.
Skill of the Natatural -
Forcing IOIs
Most guys deal with eye contact from a girl in one of three ways. What do you do? Do you:
N
ervously look away?
Hold eye contact until she looks away?
Force a smile?
These are all pretty bad and I’m sure you’ve done at least two of the above. You can still wonder why a girl was looking at you and use the uncertainty as an excuse not to approach. Maybe she was looking at someone else; maybe you have a spot on your nose; maybe she was just daydreaming. In ninety percent of cases, she is looking at you and would welcome your approach, but there is always the other ten percent and that is enough to discourage most guys from ever approaching! Here’s what to do: force her interest! When you’ve got eye contact with the girl, provoke a response from her by doing something like: pointing at her; waving; raising your glass; making a cheeky face; poking your tongue out. Personally, I do my trademark point; I guess it looks like something Joey from
1.
2.
3.
Making Things Easier
Natural Game - The System For Being A Natural With Women55
F
riends would do. The girl is compelled to respond. The number of responses she can give is limited. She can:
Mirror your action.
S
mile.
S
mile and look away, embarrassed.
L
ook away in disgust.
Turn up her lip as if to say, “What the hell is he doing?”
If you get a positive reaction, you can approach straight away and don’t need to think of anything clever to say. If you get a negative reaction, you probably won’t get a good one when you open. Many of my girlfriends were initially approached after forcing their interest. It’s one of my best skills and makes my life a lot easier. It should become a reflex action, as if you had studied kung fu and you move without thinking when someone attacks you. It requires a lot less confidence to force a girl’s interest than to approach cold.
Approacaching aft er an In dicatcatcation of Int erest
If she gave you a sign of interest, it’s doubtful that she’s not attracted, so go for it! I usually use, “Hey, how’s it going?” Longer or indirect openers (like asking for an opinion) will kill tension. Just be bold, direct, and assume attraction.
Eliciting IOIs or forcing IOIs best posts - I use
http://www.puatraining.com/puablog/2010/04/stealth-day-game
“Stealth” Day Game…
One of the things I’ve mastered is getting women to give me IOI’s or “Approach Invitations” during the daytime.
This makes day-game approaches VERY easy.
In the video above, I show you how to trigger IOI’s during the day (on the street) so that you’ve got attraction, curiosity, and intrigue building inside the woman, before you even say your first word.
Enjoy!
:-)
-Rich (Gambler)
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Hey guys this is my first post for the blog and I wasn’t too sure what would be most useful to you, but I hope it is a help to some of you as the subject I am going to talk about has really helped my game massively and in my opinion is something that really pushed me to the next level.
There is a way to start an interaction off on a good foot without even being verbal. This is called forcing IOI’s (indication of interest), forcing IOI’s is literally what it sounds like. You are forcing the target to respond in a positive way before you even approach. By using this technique the set is pre warmed before you approach.
There are different ways of forcing IOI’s, the one I personally prefer is acting as if you are looking for something or someone and placing yourself in her peripheral vision so she notices you. Lock eye contact and do a cheeky smile. The key for me to this is making it look like it happened naturally and you weren’t staring. I t has to be subtle and smooth. If you are caught staring it will come across needy which is not good as a needy man doesn’t have choice in his life.
You don’t have to do the cheeky smile when you have locked eye contact you can do something bolder if you want like a wink, point, wave or nod. Like anything I think you need to practice and try different ways of achieving this as different ways may work better for you.
You know if you have forced the IOI if they lock eye contact, smile or return the gesture. Once the IOI has been forced all you need do then is approach.
Anyway guys this was a quick tip so hope it helps :-) . Please leave replies as to what topics you guys would like me to blog about next time. Thanx
Darren
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Hi,
I hear PUAs talking about looking for IOIs etc. to determine interest, but I generally only see them talking about passively looking for IOIs, rather than actively eliciting them (much easier, and reliable given that it will be a response to a particular stimulus).
My particular idea though isn't this in general (I'm sure that much isn't original), but my idea is to try and briefly create jealousy in the target, and read their facial expression (more likely to be a microexpression than a macroexpression) to determine whether jealousy was indeed created (thus, the target is interested in you).
An example to clarify exactly what I mean (untested):
...Plenty of conversation beforehand (at this point now, the PUA wants to determine attraction )...
PUA: You off out anywhere else tonight or just hanging around here?
Target: I like it here but I'm not too fussed really, what about you?
PUA: Pretty much the same really. Though I met some girl yesterday who's meant to be taking me to some party soon.
* PUA reads for microexpressions to determine whether target displays jealousy (if so, perceived as IOI)
This technique also, as I can imagine many would have already seen, inherently involves pre-selection /DHV
What do you guys think of this one?
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Though everybody, unless trained in deception/microexpression recognition - has some kind of deception leakage; you know, that very split second JUST after you've asked an question or made a statement that to them is of some importance
Ex:
in an interrogation, a possible tactic could be to do something similar, analogous to what I've suggested in PUA terms:
* Interrogation: man hiding dodgy finances*
Interrogator: *Asks man bunch of question about finances*
Interrogator: Okay, I'm satisfied in regards to finances, let's talk something else.
* Man likely to produce a microexpression of relief to the trained eye*
* Interrogator asks a very simple, non-scary question, with easy answer*
Interrogator: I'd like to delve much deeper into your finances now.
* Man should display microexpression of horror, complete surprise as guard was let down *
I think tactics like this could be very productive, I've not personally tested it myself, but I'd like to train myself a bit more with microexpressions first.
Perhaps you are right though, in regards to my statement above not working on socially aware girls. I mean, I'd bet they produce some kind of microexpression, but the threshold of expertise/luck to notice it is probably very high.
The statement itself is probably insufficient, in retrospect, and I bet a more intense QUESTION (questions hit home harder than statements) to the same effect could be more successful in triggering a noticeable response (to someone who knows a bit about body language /facial expressions).
Originally Posted by believe82
have you been watching a lot of lie to me recently? I feel like looking for these micro expressions is a good idea though, especially with HB 9 and 10's who hide a lot of macro expressions but i think it takes a lot of training and time to be able to read micro expressions accurately.
Hahahahaha.
(Yes. )
Although, what directly inspired me for this was when I was talking to a girl I know the other night, my mates were moving onto a bar down the road when I was chatting with her. I said "ah, looks like I'm off downnow, see you later" (by the way, I don't want to overtly game/close this one due to friendship network etc., so don't be critiquing that ). She displayed a brief negative expression at this - as I was on my way I deliberated this a bit, and wondered whether this could be artificially exploited in future ..
I've done some training software and been quite successful with the microexpression recognition on that, but real-life (especially given that you're engaged in the actual interaction yourself) must be a little harder
London2012: I really have little success with any technique right now, probably not the best person to declare this a successful or not :P
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generally speaking, you gain IOI's by not showing any IOI's of your own, and getting emotional reactions from your target, like making her laugh, or making her curious, or snubbing her while have a great convo with her peer group, once you get IOI's you then proceed to get INTIMATE, and not gun for the kiss, unless shes a party girl.
Also note as the sarge progresses the IOI's get stronger ,at least the way I do it.
heres how I do it, for the first 5 minutes I neg , I open non sexual, I use humor, merge groups if possible, you do this by runnin an opinion opener , then you bust on the girls or the group and say wait a minute Idk, I'm gonna need another opinion ,c'mon and take the group with you to open another ,
once you do this, you want to be in a lock in position, in some way you have to make it look like the girls and the whole group in general is trying to talk to you, so after about 5 minutes , I bait the target with a palmread, just bring it up in a non trying to impress you way, sometimes they hide enthusiam , if the case just ask for their hand after you mention your into palmreading, and glance at it and go whoa , thats interesting, and they usually go what etc...
now you baited them to sit down with you, here you run a palmread, palmread is really the qualifying ,Connection phase in your seduction, in reality you can get intimate and create chemistry fast and she will be up for it, under the guise of it's palmread.
I made the mistake in some sarges this week in trying to launch a serious conversation without a interesting pretext(like a palmread or the cube etc.) it kicked me in the ass , so dont make that same mistake, if you need to know what to say during the palmread ,let me know.
seduction really is making a girl want to sit down and talk to you,(attraction) and when connected with her when she does,(chemistry/connection) bam instant new girlfriend.
let me know if you need help.
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Phase 2: Forcing the IOI
When you see the girl you want, and have built up social proof by drawing people in to your positive vibe, getting girls looking at you, with no investment on your part, (it’s not like you’re doing backflips to get attention), all you have to do is select your girl and IMMEDIATELY force an IOI from her, this could be by pointing at her, sticking your tongue out, anything that clearly acknowledges her from all of the other girls dancing close to you. This is important as all of the attention that you have gained is extended to her. Next, with the big smile you have from enjoying your dance floor experience, you hold out your hand for her to take, and all of that attention is now working in your favour to put pressure on the girl to dance with you (rather than pressure to avoid being seen dancing with a low value guy), then spin her in to you, ready for the next step.
Juggler - Forcing IOIs
October 27, 2008 by Adonis
An intriguing idea for manipulating girls into giving you IOIs.
For guys, like me who are impatient by nature and don’t like to waste time by waiting for IOIs.
You can figure out what IOIs you want and then ‘trick’ or command them from girls.
For instance, these are some of the IOIs you force:
* Body posture - Tell her to sit with the proper posture. Legs crossed towards you, hands lowered, etc.. Let her know it is rude otherwise.
* Kino - Tell her to put a hand on your arm and feel the energy coursing through that special nerve. Tell her to stroke your hand. Give her a shoulder rub upon meeting her and then expect her to reciprocate.
* Use conversational hooks and play upon her curiosity to get her asking you questions.
* Get her to elicit your values.
* Have her accepting your commands: Start small and then build up.
There are many more. Practically any IOIs you can think up can be forced. Then in most instances you can close off them because she will act congruently with her behavior even though it was not her idea. But if you have problems you can do as RIO suggests and reference back to them if she tries to back away from her attraction to you. But in my experience, if you force IOIs properly you will be successful in closing.
Juggler
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You can force an IOI in many ways. I've read Gambler's book, "The Natural Art of Seduction: Success with women" and it's really good. You can buy it at [link]
However, what I read in the enticing book was that you can actually force an IOI by several means IN NIGHT GAME:
1) Poking your tounge out at the women when she looks at you.
2) Point at her and laugh when she glances at you.
3) Give a cheeky smile whens he looks at you.
She has options she could respond to you by:
1) She could smile and look away embarrassed.
2) She can look at you with disgust.
3) She can smile and say hi
4) She could curl her upper lips as to say, "What the hell is wrong with this guy?"
With girls at work I would tease them buy going up to them and say:
ME: [Girl's name], You're doing a great job! I'm so proud of you! Keep up the good work! *SMILE*
HER: Oh, I will!
This is a IOI, because when she smiles or laughs this indicatates this is on. I would usually keep up the conversation or eject. Depending on whether it's busy or she's busy with customers.
However, if a girl hasn't gave you an IOI by looking at you or smiled at you. Try this FORCING IOI routine and see where it goes. If she gives you an GO SIGNAL then it's GAME.
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I would think that it would be much like seducing a stripper. In both cases the woman is going to come into the situation with a frame of reference that you need to reject. You need to break out of the role that she has mentally placed you in. Both types of women are going to objectify you. You need to shake them up and throw them off their games. With the psychotherapist it will be extra hard because she is programmed to not let you steer the conversation to anything about her. Furthermore, anything that you say about yourself and your feelings will allow her to analyse you. If you avoid her questions, or attempt to re-frame the questions, she will think you are avoiding issues because of psychological reasons. I don't have an answer for you, but these are some of the things you need to think about. In some ways, I think your best bet would be to non-verbally attempt to slowly escalate kino. Also, when you are talking about completely un-sexual or romantic things, try to force some ioi's. If she responds positively, you might wait until the conversation is completely non-sexual and then drop a very direct opener on her. It would catch her off guard and hopefully bypass her professional safeguards. If you can rattle her cage, you are going to have to act fast at that point. You will need to distract her, but hitting her with a bunch of related but non-commitment type questions. For instance, the whole, "I hate these funky psychology chairs, we should meet over coffee. You do like coffee don't you?" When she answers yes, she is saying she likes coffee, but also she is mentally agreeing to coffee. You reinforce that by saying something like, "Good, we'll meet next week at..." After that, you immediately move into another question that is even further away from the topic. After that, I would extract myself from the meeting as soon as possible. When you meet her again, you are going to have a hell of a battle.
Any way you approach this, it is going to be a very tough pick-up. It may not be impossible, but it is not for amateurs
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btw im knew to these on the level u guys r on. So can explain wot u mean by this:
"I think your best bet would be to non-verbally attempt to slowly escalate kino. Also, when you are talking about completely un-sexual or romantic things, try to force some ioi's."
i dont feel i want to go right for a home run so early but would like like to bring an element of flirting to the session where she is associating my session with the flirting/sex thoughts and so sow a seed that way.
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The reason I said that I think you should hit her with a direct opener is because you are going to want to short circuit her defences. Once you have forced some ioi's (more on that in a moment) and maybe built some kino, she will subconsciously let her guard down. When she does that, you hit her her between the eyes with a completely unexpected, direct opener. At this point she likes you subconsciously, and now you force her to answer a question which she was not prepared to answer, but you have hopefully built enough attraction to bias her answer in your favour.
Forcing IOI's:
Forcing Indicators of Interest (IOI's) is the technique of using body language to communicate interest or sexual desire, and then reading the response. Your example of licking your lips and her blush is a perfect example. When you did that, she blushed. Unless you did it super creepy-like, the blush means that she was thinking about you sexually. Other things you can do include looking at her lips, letting your eyes wander across her body, looking her in the eyes and then doing a quick little wink and smile.
Another thing you can do is mirroring. Psychologists are particularly aware of this because they use the technique themselves. Let you body loosely mirror hers. In every case, try to make your mirror slightly more open and friendly than hers. After she has started mirroring you, look her in the eyes and then open your body in a slightly intimate and very open position and hopefully she will follow. If she does, reward her by forcing a strong IOI, something like taking, then stopping mid sentence for a second or two and then smiling.
If you are serious about this woman, I think you are going to need to discuss getting a new therapist with her as soon as you get her to step out of bounds a little bit. She could lose her license and her professional reputation is she gets into a serious relationship with you while you are still a client. You don't want to force her to have to make that decision. So build the attraction and try to get her to step outside of the boundaries just a bit. Then you can subtle hint that you want to change therapists so that you and she can hook up.
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And today I actually got opened by a girl. I forced the IOI but instead of getting an IOI back I got a verbal greeting! I suppose that’s the ultimate form of IOI lol. I had to run errands during my lunch so I didn’t really do much but introduce myself and leave, her name was Patty. I wasn’t really upset about it, because I mean wtf why should I be upset if I walk away from a girl? That’s a scarcity mentality. Plus, there’s a good chance I’ll see her walking around once during the first few weeks of class, and if not, there’s going to be TONS of hotties in her place. TONS. I can’t wait. It will be the first start of a major semester after I discovered the community. Should be lots of fun!
ps: I learned about the Coach thing from watching one of AFC Adam’s bootcamp lectures. I texted my ex-gf and asked her about it, because she’s a designer handbag aficionado (she has like 15 designer purses) and she said it was true. That Coach is the most counterfeited and that’s why girls who really know purses avoid Coach. Louie Vuitton is the second most easily counterfeited. Adam just said that it’s ghetto he didn’t say why. By the way, my ex wouldn’t stop texting me about it. So now you know! Don’t know what to talk about? See if she has a designer purse.
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Due to the reason I’m in Miami, it has been really difficult to find someone I can chat up long enough to go for the close (>15 seconds or so). And they are all hired guns. However I haven’t seen many I’ve wanted to talk to.
There is an Au Bon Pain downstairs with a really cute Hispanic girl named Fernanda. When I first saw her I noticed this blingy white watch she had on with a lot of sparkling stones that looked like diamonds though I doubt they were real. She was taking my order and I said “Wow that’s a blingy watch you got on there girl,” and she lauged and said “Thank you,” and smiled the prettiest smile. I asked her her name and she told me. I said “Wow I’ve never heard of that before. I know Fernando of course but not Fernanda. Nice to meet you, I’m Alex.” and I grabbed her hand. I couldn’t talk to her further because there were loads of people behind me in line. While I was walking down to Bon Pain I noticed this girl with pimples all over her face, but a sexy body. I forced the IOI with her but barely got a response. Then I said “Hello.” She said hello back but we were going off in two different directions. Honestly I wasn’t very interested in her so I didn’t pursue it further.
Towards the end of the day I went down to get coffee from Au Bon Pain again and found HB Acne in line. I was behind her and said “We keep bumping into each other.” She gave a bit of a smile but no words. As I did this her mom turned around to look at me out of the corner of her eye and then smiled at her. I noticed she had an iPhone and I pulled mine out but before I could brush her shoulder to get her attention to show her she had gone to the other side of the coffee bar to wait. She obviously was not interested and probably was young anyway. Maybe even too young, I was just being outgoing and sociable. I gave her a name because she turned into an approach rejection as well as being someone I talked to right in front of her mom. Something I usually would be too scared to do.
As I was walking back to the elevators to go back upstairs I walked past a girl I call HB Candy Stripes who I went to force the IOI with and she gave me a dirty look. I just kept walking.
Towards the end of the day I met someone who was extremely nice, and who I was very sexually attracted to although she is the girlfriend of someone close. She was extremely attentive to everyone here, and I thought that was amazing given that she doesn’t know anyone here really and has never met me. It was through kino that was initiated by her that I felt her really kind nurturing energy and realized this is definitely a quality I am looking for in a woman.
I have a pretty definitive list of qualities I want in a woman, and it’s funny. The more women I chat up and not only get to know but also see nice women inside of these amazingly beautiful exteriors, the more refined is that image of what I’m looking for in a woman. I am discovering qualities that a lot of younger women simply do not have. I can’t really put my finger on exactly what it is. This woman’s incredibly caring, nurturing quality is definitely going to be added to my list.
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I've been tinkering with this new strategy mostly out of pure social curiosity rather than having the intent to lay in mind. I've got 2 girls in my social circle that are pretty hot, but I'm not interested in laying them (I don't do girls in my primary social circle, makes for less drama). I've never gamed them in any way and there was basically 0 attraction built until a couple of weeks ago.
Maybe I was just being egotistical here, but I just wanted to see if I could make them attracted after being so firmly locked into a LJBF zone with them. My PU personality is markedly different than my standard, hanging out with the gang mentality. I've had mixed results with this. If dating or any type of relationship conversation comes up, what I would do is find a way to say something about the type of women I'm interested in and make sure that it relates to the target (If she has blue eyes, I'll say something along the lines of me thinking blue eyes are super sexy).
Then immediately follow up with a neg. If the target has blonde hair for example, I'll say something along the lines of "I just can't stand blondes though, I'm a brunette man all the way". I'll then find that the girl in question will want to qualify herself to me. She might say something along the lines of "I'm not a natural blonde" or "I used to dye my hair black". Then I'll give a look like I'm picturing that and I'll smile, give a little kino and say something to the effect of "I just can't picture you with that color hair".
I've done this in a very indirect way that doesn't overtly telegraph interest, and I'll only do something like that maybe twice over a period of time and just sit back and observe. Afterwards I got some IOI's in the couple weeks following, but it was definitely mixed signals. One girl I can tell is mildly interested in me now but nothing major (Which isn't a bad thing, seeing if attraction could be built was my only goal). And the other one will totally scream attraction through sub-communication sometimes, and other times it is distinctly easy to tell she is feeling nothing of that nature at all. I'm positive I haven't read the situation wrong.
Does anyone else have experience with things of this nature? I have a pretty good idea of why everything had the effect it did, but I can't claim to understand how girl number 2 can actually be feeling strong attraction at some points, and absolutely none at others....considering I haven't attempted to escalate and only fired one or two bullets at her weeks ago.
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I think girls, like us, have different moods and sometimes they just aren't in the flirting and/or mood to feel attraction, but you can yank them out of that state usually.
It's probably not a sure sign of anything on her part. I think as guys the most important thing to do is assume attraction. Naturals do this when they are gaming girls - they will ignore social feedback and just plow through stuff. When I first learned M3 it put me in a highly reactive frame of mind. I had to see IOI's from a girl to go into state or feel that I should push forward.
The thing is that people live in the emotions of the moment. You fired those bullets weeks ago, so they are long since dead emotionally. That's not to say she isn't attracted to you. She probably sees you as having value, just by the fact that you would say something like that. If you want to see her pour out IOI's you would have to spike her emotions again.
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You have some really good points. Perhaps I'm just over analyzing, I find myself doing that often. These are non-targets so I'll just cool it with them and file the information away for future reference. I'm glad you brought up the assuming attraction point. I've never really internalized that. That's something I should definitely work on. Usually I'm always trying to "build it" and never make a real solid move until I get one IOI. This works great for me, but I want to get better....not just stay where I am.
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Make sure you are reading the IOI's properly. It's possible that they're not directed towards you, maybe one of the other guys in the group. Thats one reason she could be sort of hot and cold.
Otherwise it could be that you are the one eliciting IOI's and positive behavior. Try to think about what type of frame and mood YOU are in when she (they?) is giving you IOI's. If I had to guess, this is the factor that's making a difference in your situation.
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“Stealth” Day Game…
One of the things I’ve mastered is getting women to give me IOI’s or “Approach Invitations” during the daytime.
This makes day-game approaches VERY easy.
In the video above, I show you how to trigger IOI’s during the day (on the street) so that you’ve got attraction, curiosity, and intrigue building inside the woman, before you even say your first word.
Enjoy!
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Hey guys this is my first post for the blog and I wasn’t too sure what would be most useful to you, but I hope it is a help to some of you as the subject I am going to talk about has really helped my game massively and in my opinion is something that really pushed me to the next level.
There is a way to start an interaction off on a good foot without even being verbal. This is called forcing IOI’s (indication of interest), forcing IOI’s is literally what it sounds like. You are forcing the target to respond in a positive way before you even approach. By using this technique the set is pre warmed before you approach.
There are different ways of forcing IOI’s, the one I personally prefer is acting as if you are looking for something or someone and placing yourself in her peripheral vision so she notices you. Lock eye contact and do a cheeky smile. The key for me to this is making it look like it happened naturally and you weren’t staring. I t has to be subtle and smooth. If you are caught staring it will come across needy which is not good as a needy man doesn’t have choice in his life.
You don’t have to do the cheeky smile when you have locked eye contact you can do something bolder if you want like a wink, point, wave or nod. Like anything I think you need to practice and try different ways of achieving this as different ways may work better for you.
You know if you have forced the IOI if they lock eye contact, smile or return the gesture. Once the IOI has been forced all you need do then is approach.
Anyway guys this was a quick tip so hope it helps :-) . Please leave replies as to what topics you guys would like me to blog about next time. Thanx
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Hi,
I hear PUAs talking about looking for IOIs etc. to determine interest, but I generally only see them talking about passively looking for IOIs, rather than actively eliciting them (much easier, and reliable given that it will be a response to a particular stimulus).
My particular idea though isn't this in general (I'm sure that much isn't original), but my idea is to try and briefly create jealousy in the target, and read their facial expression (more likely to be a microexpression than a macroexpression) to determine whether jealousy was indeed created (thus, the target is interested in you).
An example to clarify exactly what I mean (untested):
...Plenty of conversation beforehand (at this point now, the PUA wants to determine attraction )...
PUA: You off out anywhere else tonight or just hanging around here?
Target: I like it here but I'm not too fussed really, what about you?
PUA: Pretty much the same really. Though I met some girl yesterday who's meant to be taking me to some party soon.
* PUA reads for microexpressions to determine whether target displays jealousy (if so, perceived as IOI)
This technique also, as I can imagine many would have already seen, inherently involves pre-selection /DHV
What do you guys think of this one?
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Though everybody, unless trained in deception/microexpression recognition - has some kind of deception leakage; you know, that very split second JUST after you've asked an question or made a statement that to them is of some importance
Ex:
in an interrogation, a possible tactic could be to do something similar, analogous to what I've suggested in PUA terms:
* Interrogation: man hiding dodgy finances*
Interrogator: *Asks man bunch of question about finances*
Interrogator: Okay, I'm satisfied in regards to finances, let's talk something else.
* Man likely to produce a microexpression of relief to the trained eye*
* Interrogator asks a very simple, non-scary question, with easy answer*
Interrogator: I'd like to delve much deeper into your finances now.
* Man should display microexpression of horror, complete surprise as guard was let down *
I think tactics like this could be very productive, I've not personally tested it myself, but I'd like to train myself a bit more with microexpressions first.
Perhaps you are right though, in regards to my statement above not working on socially aware girls. I mean, I'd bet they produce some kind of microexpression, but the threshold of expertise/luck to notice it is probably very high.
The statement itself is probably insufficient, in retrospect, and I bet a more intense QUESTION (questions hit home harder than statements) to the same effect could be more successful in triggering a noticeable response (to someone who knows a bit about body language /facial expressions).
Originally Posted by believe82
have you been watching a lot of lie to me recently? I feel like looking for these micro expressions is a good idea though, especially with HB 9 and 10's who hide a lot of macro expressions but i think it takes a lot of training and time to be able to read micro expressions accurately.
Hahahahaha.
(Yes. )
Although, what directly inspired me for this was when I was talking to a girl I know the other night, my mates were moving onto a bar down the road when I was chatting with her. I said "ah, looks like I'm off down
I've done some training software and been quite successful with the microexpression recognition on that, but real-life (especially given that you're engaged in the actual interaction yourself) must be a little harder
London2012: I really have little success with any technique right now, probably not the best person to declare this a successful or not :P
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generally speaking, you gain IOI's by not showing any IOI's of your own, and getting emotional reactions from your target, like making her laugh, or making her curious, or snubbing her while have a great convo with her peer group, once you get IOI's you then proceed to get INTIMATE, and not gun for the kiss, unless shes a party girl.
Also note as the sarge progresses the IOI's get stronger ,at least the way I do it.
heres how I do it, for the first 5 minutes I neg , I open non sexual, I use humor, merge groups if possible, you do this by runnin an opinion opener , then you bust on the girls or the group and say wait a minute Idk, I'm gonna need another opinion ,c'mon and take the group with you to open another ,
once you do this, you want to be in a lock in position, in some way you have to make it look like the girls and the whole group in general is trying to talk to you, so after about 5 minutes , I bait the target with a palmread, just bring it up in a non trying to impress you way, sometimes they hide enthusiam , if the case just ask for their hand after you mention your into palmreading, and glance at it and go whoa , thats interesting, and they usually go what etc...
now you baited them to sit down with you, here you run a palmread, palmread is really the qualifying ,Connection phase in your seduction, in reality you can get intimate and create chemistry fast and she will be up for it, under the guise of it's palmread.
I made the mistake in some sarges this week in trying to launch a serious conversation without a interesting pretext(like a palmread or the cube etc.) it kicked me in the ass , so dont make that same mistake, if you need to know what to say during the palmread ,let me know.
seduction really is making a girl want to sit down and talk to you,(attraction) and when connected with her when she does,(chemistry/connection) bam instant new girlfriend.
let me know if you need help.
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Phase 2: Forcing the IOI
When you see the girl you want, and have built up social proof by drawing people in to your positive vibe, getting girls looking at you, with no investment on your part, (it’s not like you’re doing backflips to get attention), all you have to do is select your girl and IMMEDIATELY force an IOI from her, this could be by pointing at her, sticking your tongue out, anything that clearly acknowledges her from all of the other girls dancing close to you. This is important as all of the attention that you have gained is extended to her. Next, with the big smile you have from enjoying your dance floor experience, you hold out your hand for her to take, and all of that attention is now working in your favour to put pressure on the girl to dance with you (rather than pressure to avoid being seen dancing with a low value guy), then spin her in to you, ready for the next step.
Juggler - Forcing IOIs
October 27, 2008 by Adonis
An intriguing idea for manipulating girls into giving you IOIs.
For guys, like me who are impatient by nature and don’t like to waste time by waiting for IOIs.
You can figure out what IOIs you want and then ‘trick’ or command them from girls.
For instance, these are some of the IOIs you force:
* Body posture - Tell her to sit with the proper posture. Legs crossed towards you, hands lowered, etc.. Let her know it is rude otherwise.
* Kino - Tell her to put a hand on your arm and feel the energy coursing through that special nerve. Tell her to stroke your hand. Give her a shoulder rub upon meeting her and then expect her to reciprocate.
* Use conversational hooks and play upon her curiosity to get her asking you questions.
* Get her to elicit your values.
* Have her accepting your commands: Start small and then build up.
There are many more. Practically any IOIs you can think up can be forced. Then in most instances you can close off them because she will act congruently with her behavior even though it was not her idea. But if you have problems you can do as RIO suggests and reference back to them if she tries to back away from her attraction to you. But in my experience, if you force IOIs properly you will be successful in closing.
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You can force an IOI in many ways. I've read Gambler's book, "The Natural Art of Seduction: Success with women" and it's really good. You can buy it at [link]
However, what I read in the enticing book was that you can actually force an IOI by several means IN NIGHT GAME:
1) Poking your tounge out at the women when she looks at you.
2) Point at her and laugh when she glances at you.
3) Give a cheeky smile whens he looks at you.
She has options she could respond to you by:
1) She could smile and look away embarrassed.
2) She can look at you with disgust.
3) She can smile and say hi
4) She could curl her upper lips as to say, "What the hell is wrong with this guy?"
With girls at work I would tease them buy going up to them and say:
ME: [Girl's name], You're doing a great job! I'm so proud of you! Keep up the good work! *SMILE*
HER: Oh, I will!
This is a IOI, because when she smiles or laughs this indicatates this is on. I would usually keep up the conversation or eject. Depending on whether it's busy or she's busy with customers.
However, if a girl hasn't gave you an IOI by looking at you or smiled at you. Try this FORCING IOI routine and see where it goes. If she gives you an GO SIGNAL then it's GAME.
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I would think that it would be much like seducing a stripper. In both cases the woman is going to come into the situation with a frame of reference that you need to reject. You need to break out of the role that she has mentally placed you in. Both types of women are going to objectify you. You need to shake them up and throw them off their games. With the psychotherapist it will be extra hard because she is programmed to not let you steer the conversation to anything about her. Furthermore, anything that you say about yourself and your feelings will allow her to analyse you. If you avoid her questions, or attempt to re-frame the questions, she will think you are avoiding issues because of psychological reasons. I don't have an answer for you, but these are some of the things you need to think about. In some ways, I think your best bet would be to non-verbally attempt to slowly escalate kino. Also, when you are talking about completely un-sexual or romantic things, try to force some ioi's. If she responds positively, you might wait until the conversation is completely non-sexual and then drop a very direct opener on her. It would catch her off guard and hopefully bypass her professional safeguards. If you can rattle her cage, you are going to have to act fast at that point. You will need to distract her, but hitting her with a bunch of related but non-commitment type questions. For instance, the whole, "I hate these funky psychology chairs, we should meet over coffee. You do like coffee don't you?" When she answers yes, she is saying she likes coffee, but also she is mentally agreeing to coffee. You reinforce that by saying something like, "Good, we'll meet next week at..." After that, you immediately move into another question that is even further away from the topic. After that, I would extract myself from the meeting as soon as possible. When you meet her again, you are going to have a hell of a battle.
Any way you approach this, it is going to be a very tough pick-up. It may not be impossible, but it is not for amateurs
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btw im knew to these on the level u guys r on. So can explain wot u mean by this:
"I think your best bet would be to non-verbally attempt to slowly escalate kino. Also, when you are talking about completely un-sexual or romantic things, try to force some ioi's."
i dont feel i want to go right for a home run so early but would like like to bring an element of flirting to the session where she is associating my session with the flirting/sex thoughts and so sow a seed that way.
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The reason I said that I think you should hit her with a direct opener is because you are going to want to short circuit her defences. Once you have forced some ioi's (more on that in a moment) and maybe built some kino, she will subconsciously let her guard down. When she does that, you hit her her between the eyes with a completely unexpected, direct opener. At this point she likes you subconsciously, and now you force her to answer a question which she was not prepared to answer, but you have hopefully built enough attraction to bias her answer in your favour.
Forcing IOI's:
Forcing Indicators of Interest (IOI's) is the technique of using body language to communicate interest or sexual desire, and then reading the response. Your example of licking your lips and her blush is a perfect example. When you did that, she blushed. Unless you did it super creepy-like, the blush means that she was thinking about you sexually. Other things you can do include looking at her lips, letting your eyes wander across her body, looking her in the eyes and then doing a quick little wink and smile.
Another thing you can do is mirroring. Psychologists are particularly aware of this because they use the technique themselves. Let you body loosely mirror hers. In every case, try to make your mirror slightly more open and friendly than hers. After she has started mirroring you, look her in the eyes and then open your body in a slightly intimate and very open position and hopefully she will follow. If she does, reward her by forcing a strong IOI, something like taking, then stopping mid sentence for a second or two and then smiling.
If you are serious about this woman, I think you are going to need to discuss getting a new therapist with her as soon as you get her to step out of bounds a little bit. She could lose her license and her professional reputation is she gets into a serious relationship with you while you are still a client. You don't want to force her to have to make that decision. So build the attraction and try to get her to step outside of the boundaries just a bit. Then you can subtle hint that you want to change therapists so that you and she can hook up.
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And today I actually got opened by a girl. I forced the IOI but instead of getting an IOI back I got a verbal greeting! I suppose that’s the ultimate form of IOI lol. I had to run errands during my lunch so I didn’t really do much but introduce myself and leave, her name was Patty. I wasn’t really upset about it, because I mean wtf why should I be upset if I walk away from a girl? That’s a scarcity mentality. Plus, there’s a good chance I’ll see her walking around once during the first few weeks of class, and if not, there’s going to be TONS of hotties in her place. TONS. I can’t wait. It will be the first start of a major semester after I discovered the community. Should be lots of fun!
ps: I learned about the Coach thing from watching one of AFC Adam’s bootcamp lectures. I texted my ex-gf and asked her about it, because she’s a designer handbag aficionado (she has like 15 designer purses) and she said it was true. That Coach is the most counterfeited and that’s why girls who really know purses avoid Coach. Louie Vuitton is the second most easily counterfeited. Adam just said that it’s ghetto he didn’t say why. By the way, my ex wouldn’t stop texting me about it. So now you know! Don’t know what to talk about? See if she has a designer purse.
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Due to the reason I’m in Miami, it has been really difficult to find someone I can chat up long enough to go for the close (>15 seconds or so). And they are all hired guns. However I haven’t seen many I’ve wanted to talk to.
There is an Au Bon Pain downstairs with a really cute Hispanic girl named Fernanda. When I first saw her I noticed this blingy white watch she had on with a lot of sparkling stones that looked like diamonds though I doubt they were real. She was taking my order and I said “Wow that’s a blingy watch you got on there girl,” and she lauged and said “Thank you,” and smiled the prettiest smile. I asked her her name and she told me. I said “Wow I’ve never heard of that before. I know Fernando of course but not Fernanda. Nice to meet you, I’m Alex.” and I grabbed her hand. I couldn’t talk to her further because there were loads of people behind me in line. While I was walking down to Bon Pain I noticed this girl with pimples all over her face, but a sexy body. I forced the IOI with her but barely got a response. Then I said “Hello.” She said hello back but we were going off in two different directions. Honestly I wasn’t very interested in her so I didn’t pursue it further.
Towards the end of the day I went down to get coffee from Au Bon Pain again and found HB Acne in line. I was behind her and said “We keep bumping into each other.” She gave a bit of a smile but no words. As I did this her mom turned around to look at me out of the corner of her eye and then smiled at her. I noticed she had an iPhone and I pulled mine out but before I could brush her shoulder to get her attention to show her she had gone to the other side of the coffee bar to wait. She obviously was not interested and probably was young anyway. Maybe even too young, I was just being outgoing and sociable. I gave her a name because she turned into an approach rejection as well as being someone I talked to right in front of her mom. Something I usually would be too scared to do.
As I was walking back to the elevators to go back upstairs I walked past a girl I call HB Candy Stripes who I went to force the IOI with and she gave me a dirty look. I just kept walking.
Towards the end of the day I met someone who was extremely nice, and who I was very sexually attracted to although she is the girlfriend of someone close. She was extremely attentive to everyone here, and I thought that was amazing given that she doesn’t know anyone here really and has never met me. It was through kino that was initiated by her that I felt her really kind nurturing energy and realized this is definitely a quality I am looking for in a woman.
I have a pretty definitive list of qualities I want in a woman, and it’s funny. The more women I chat up and not only get to know but also see nice women inside of these amazingly beautiful exteriors, the more refined is that image of what I’m looking for in a woman. I am discovering qualities that a lot of younger women simply do not have. I can’t really put my finger on exactly what it is. This woman’s incredibly caring, nurturing quality is definitely going to be added to my list.
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Subject: Reverse LJBFing?
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I've been tinkering with this new strategy mostly out of pure social curiosity rather than having the intent to lay in mind. I've got 2 girls in my social circle that are pretty hot, but I'm not interested in laying them (I don't do girls in my primary social circle, makes for less drama). I've never gamed them in any way and there was basically 0 attraction built until a couple of weeks ago.
Maybe I was just being egotistical here, but I just wanted to see if I could make them attracted after being so firmly locked into a LJBF zone with them. My PU personality is markedly different than my standard, hanging out with the gang mentality. I've had mixed results with this. If dating or any type of relationship conversation comes up, what I would do is find a way to say something about the type of women I'm interested in and make sure that it relates to the target (If she has blue eyes, I'll say something along the lines of me thinking blue eyes are super sexy).
Then immediately follow up with a neg. If the target has blonde hair for example, I'll say something along the lines of "I just can't stand blondes though, I'm a brunette man all the way". I'll then find that the girl in question will want to qualify herself to me. She might say something along the lines of "I'm not a natural blonde" or "I used to dye my hair black". Then I'll give a look like I'm picturing that and I'll smile, give a little kino and say something to the effect of "I just can't picture you with that color hair".
I've done this in a very indirect way that doesn't overtly telegraph interest, and I'll only do something like that maybe twice over a period of time and just sit back and observe. Afterwards I got some IOI's in the couple weeks following, but it was definitely mixed signals. One girl I can tell is mildly interested in me now but nothing major (Which isn't a bad thing, seeing if attraction could be built was my only goal). And the other one will totally scream attraction through sub-communication sometimes, and other times it is distinctly easy to tell she is feeling nothing of that nature at all. I'm positive I haven't read the situation wrong.
Does anyone else have experience with things of this nature? I have a pretty good idea of why everything had the effect it did, but I can't claim to understand how girl number 2 can actually be feeling strong attraction at some points, and absolutely none at others....considering I haven't attempted to escalate and only fired one or two bullets at her weeks ago.
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Subject: Re: Reverse LJBFing?
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I think girls, like us, have different moods and sometimes they just aren't in the flirting and/or mood to feel attraction, but you can yank them out of that state usually.
It's probably not a sure sign of anything on her part. I think as guys the most important thing to do is assume attraction. Naturals do this when they are gaming girls - they will ignore social feedback and just plow through stuff. When I first learned M3 it put me in a highly reactive frame of mind. I had to see IOI's from a girl to go into state or feel that I should push forward.
The thing is that people live in the emotions of the moment. You fired those bullets weeks ago, so they are long since dead emotionally. That's not to say she isn't attracted to you. She probably sees you as having value, just by the fact that you would say something like that. If you want to see her pour out IOI's you would have to spike her emotions again.
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You have some really good points. Perhaps I'm just over analyzing, I find myself doing that often. These are non-targets so I'll just cool it with them and file the information away for future reference. I'm glad you brought up the assuming attraction point. I've never really internalized that. That's something I should definitely work on. Usually I'm always trying to "build it" and never make a real solid move until I get one IOI. This works great for me, but I want to get better....not just stay where I am.
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Make sure you are reading the IOI's properly. It's possible that they're not directed towards you, maybe one of the other guys in the group. Thats one reason she could be sort of hot and cold.
Otherwise it could be that you are the one eliciting IOI's and positive behavior. Try to think about what type of frame and mood YOU are in when she (they?) is giving you IOI's. If I had to guess, this is the factor that's making a difference in your situation.
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Sunday, November 7, 2010
IOI's what to do NEXT ???? Girl gives advice
what do I do when girls gives me compoliments on my eyes?
Tell them that they're not real, and that you made them yourself out of marbles you found out in the carpark, but if she likes them, you'll happily make a set for her, too.
I'd shag you if you said that to me.
Tell them that they're not real, and that you made them yourself out of marbles you found out in the carpark, but if she likes them, you'll happily make a set for her, too.
I'd shag you if you said that to me.
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