NOTE: theres chubby and theres FATTY..fatty is almost OBESE.Look at that movie NEbraska with bruce dern and watch the son be soo into Oneitis Mode with a FATTY.
I decided to post this cause I literally dont like overconfident fatties.
I read a Brad P dating coach article about his friend who fucked any and every girl he met. I see this as no no for my personal taste cause I do respect BradP and his teachings very much yet I can't do it cause its close to impossible.
1- Fatties are mostly 80% time overconfident...some are very feminine and quiet and yet LSE these I do hook up if nothing better and is always good to use as practice cause thethrill is in the hunt.
On overconfident ones, the use the aggressive approach with severe extremes of emotions and yet complain negatively that they cant get dates.
FATTY LOGIC 101...lol
2- Fatties due to LSE create a defensive mechanisms not like 9s and 10s or even strippers yet on the other extreme of hating men. Be aware how she reacts if she is willing to follow your LEAD if not you are in DANGER and run away fast as you can.THey are more flakey and change their mind faster than any girl even if you have already fucked her.
3-Its physically challenging for them to move around to fuck. doggie style is OK and maybe watching black guys fuck fatties can help you with lifting a leg up or other positions..but some of the ones I fucked have always been furstration like Double Dare physical challenge to severe extreme.I do accept blow jobs and such but if she is only nice and not utterly negative.
4-FAtties who have a JOB feel they are entitled to being "picky" they dont have a real sense of reality in relationships cause their interactions are somewhat sour and scarrred so THey claim to be overconfident and picky and yet they bring ABSOLUTELY NO VALUE as a human being.
5- Fatties get self conscious VERY FAST.
6.-FAtties will give you a difficult more obstacles than with a hotter or cooler girls you are compatible with. They REALLY buy into courtship eventhough she is a FREAK. Her LMR and ASD goes to extreme NEGATIVES.THIS IS PROVEN TRUTH. I had a girl walk out after sex cause she was embarased. they other one as soon as she felt alot of pleasure she used ANGER towards me to control her horniness evnthough we were in middle of sexual act.
7- Fatties have sever delusion and NO IDEA ABOUT DATING yet offer NEGATIVE experience based ADVICE to friends..SHE is NATURAL COCK BLOCK.. If you encounter one then act SUPER GAY like cuban guy Ozzie from RSD says.
8-Most are inherently dont have much sexual experience so regardless her AGE.
9- I dont find them attractive unless I see she is fuckable physically able to and Im drunk.
10- Cause I dont want to lower my standards or low self esteem with her NEgative energy. In Game its REALLY getting to the point of seducing the girls you really want to be with in every way with Efficiently and Consistency.
This DOES NOT happen overnight so seek dating advice along with your personal experience with women.
Thank you for reading
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Saturday, August 16, 2014
Saturday, May 17, 2014
Psychology and emotions she needs to make herself want to fall in love first before you can conquer
I was reading an interesting article on line psychology and I also was watching a commentary by June Barrymore on Turner Classic Movies channel on a movie called the haunting filmed in 1955 I believe. She said something then strike me very interesting. Which is very true in masculine n in ways of seduction and expression of sexual intent" this movie is an example of no special effects and needed in order to scare the audience for the movie watcher this movies scares the audience what this film does compared to the new films of today a new movies off today were they have a lot of optical action Corey and is that the movie makes the audience get scared first in order to scare so they are in space we are already scared Nissan watching the movie now because of the visuals much more of the type of psychological the film is portrayed." well how does this relate to what we want to achieve basically it has to do with emotions itself but is how we don't have to really be gruesome or really be verbally descriptive is in the sexually-explicit way but to be very subtle and in order to elicit the motions that we want I'm like teasing way of very little by little something mark told me in the past was always make her wanted more always make her wanted more like you're not really that much wanting it but you wanna make sure when you do that that she is already on the level where she's already aroused you're feeling emotional investment with she's horny or what is she already put her hard and it doesn't motional decision to do so I'm basically is to elicit certain ways to treat yourself and Mary motions and um so that way now I'm shakin be in the state of mind mostly where she knows that she wants to what she wants to be in order to sleep with you when she reached that point is basically you not take care of her of that I am motion and going straight to closing escalation. The whole concept of the movie scares the audience will not be in Korea gruesome is Mr V phantom the movie has certain scenes to scare a surprise and so it always keeps the audience very intrigued and unexpected ways but its not the actual visual but it's the way it goes around instead of being gory and is more scary we need to me not gory sexual but we need to be more of an enticement of sexuality. Maybe but my best seductions has always been out like a movie a movie then I am creating and I'm the main character and I'm providing her apart and my movie like we're being filmed like all of this is falling into place how it's supposed to be but the PUA part or seduction artist seducer has to be the person that has to lead to where you want indirectly.
Tuesday, February 12, 2013
LR:Lay report-FR punching bag turned into LR punching bag.lol
I met this person in NOV and at first when we met I was hesitant cause I “couldn’t “ read her IOIS.
I learned that at times intent and sexual vibe and attention is bigger than any IOI
IdiotRape disclosure **** this doesn’t mean be a fuckin dumb ass and put yourself in danger and assume…you always need right lights to blink…
In this case I wasn’t reading into her frame and she tried abit to play hard to get,and I immediately didn’t have time to deal with it so I left it as business and got the fuck out after I bought what I needed.
anyways
Ive texted her randomly and at first time she texted her pic without me asking…I think you can give off a cool vibe…girls will open..effortlessly,,theres no explanation aside of non neediness and attemntion seeking from guys..that never means a lay.
So she texts me at new year….Cool..
Week after I textd her a silly but cool text: I call it rhyme her name and make it stupid….
This is self amusing but it makes her LAUGH at herself and at same time not taking her serious and therefore assuming you are drunk and therefore IT DOESN’T COUNT…yet PASSIVE FRAME IS SET..she laughs and then I say I will invite you to open mic but do me a favor..
And she will say what sthat
I say don’t throw your panties when Im on stage we will both get thrown out
They will LOL or whatever…… then leave it at that….
I went out one night to a singlesnight here where I am and she opened me text…I messed up and I reopen telling her Im having an awesome time at so so place..she responded she got home and I assumed she got pizza and beer and she said Yes, I said awesome.I halfway invieted myself over.. and she invited me over..basically my new positivity vibe to continue the party got me in state and fr punching bag woman text me and I exchangd few texts so effortlessly that she shoot address I drove there gave me little LMR.problem is she is typical freak.
last time me and her met was I bought punching bag months ago and was too scared to escalate that night.tonight I closed her good very intense physical arousal game basically kills LMR....
I was playing aloof cool attractive guy and shed say shed call me…
I left it as is….and Id textd her once a week ,,, eventhough she aint responding cause It shows Im still around if she wants…
This gives woman control and yet makes you easy to contact cause she knows whats up…
Fuck being a challenge at this point…its fucking on cause you fucked her..
And Ive had situtaions where I ve slepted with a woman one time and that’s it..it doesn’t mean anything..its part of Life.period….
Doesn’t matter what PUAs say…about that..
Friday, August 19, 2011
Representational systems (NLP) sent to me by Franco
Representational systems (also known as sensory modalities and abbreviated to VAKOG or known as the 4-tuple) is a neuro-linguistic programming model that examines how the human mind processes information. It states that for practical purposes, information is (or can be treated as if) processed through the senses. Thus people say one talks to oneself (the auditory sense) even if no words are emitted, one makes pictures in one's head when thinking or dreaming (the visual sense), and one considers feelings in the body and emotions (known as the kinesthetic sense).
NLP holds it as crucial in human cognitive processing to recognize that the subjective character of experience is strongly tied into, and influenced by, how memories and perceptions are processed within each sensory representation in the mind. It considers that expressions such as "It's all misty" or "I can't get a grip on it", can often be precise literal unconscious descriptions from within those sensory systems, communicating unconsciously where the mind perceives a problem in handling some mental event.
Within NLP, the various senses in their role as information processors, are known as representation systems, or sensory modalities. The model itself is known as the VAKOG model (from the initial letters of the sensory-specific modalities: visual, auditory, kinesthetic, olfactory, gustatory). Since taste and smell are so closely connected, sometimes as a 4-tuple, meaning its 4 way sensory-based description. A submodality is a structural element of a sensory impression, such as its perceived location, distance, size, or other quality.
Representational systems and submodalities are seen in NLP as offering a valuable therapeutic insight (or metaphor) and potential working methods, into how the human mind internally organizes and subjectively attaches meaning to events.
NLP holds it as crucial in human cognitive processing to recognize that the subjective character of experience is strongly tied into, and influenced by, how memories and perceptions are processed within each sensory representation in the mind. It considers that expressions such as "It's all misty" or "I can't get a grip on it", can often be precise literal unconscious descriptions from within those sensory systems, communicating unconsciously where the mind perceives a problem in handling some mental event.
Within NLP, the various senses in their role as information processors, are known as representation systems, or sensory modalities. The model itself is known as the VAKOG model (from the initial letters of the sensory-specific modalities: visual, auditory, kinesthetic, olfactory, gustatory). Since taste and smell are so closely connected, sometimes as a 4-tuple, meaning its 4 way sensory-based description. A submodality is a structural element of a sensory impression, such as its perceived location, distance, size, or other quality.
Representational systems and submodalities are seen in NLP as offering a valuable therapeutic insight (or metaphor) and potential working methods, into how the human mind internally organizes and subjectively attaches meaning to events.
Tuesday, March 1, 2011
Screening by Franco Seduction
Screen Women Everywhere
by Franco on January 8, 2011
Screen women while you meet them
Well let´s assume that you are at the stage of being able to approach women everywhere and are enjoying the wonderful feeling of abundance which comes with good skills in meeting women.
Already at this stage it is very important for you to learn the art of screening women.
Why is that?
Because now that you are operating from a frame of abundance you will not have the time for every girl.
Another good reason is that when you screen women that has you come out automatically as the prize in the relationship with them and it increases your appeal a lot when women "sense" – and believe me they will ! – that you do not have time for everyone.Another good reason is that when you screen women that has you come out automatically as the prize in the relationship with them and it increases your appeal a lot when women "sense" – and believe me they will ! – that you do not have time for everyone.
Another important reason for screening women is: you do not get into trouble as you will learn to look more and more for better women not only basing your screening on nice rears and tits but especially on their personality features and especially on how they treat you.
So here are a few tips about something you can do from the beginning in order to improve your screening skills.
Your worst enemy in matters of screening women is: your own testosterone.
Your tremendous masculine sexual desire also impairs your judgment in matters of screening women and for that reason it is important to learn to control it while meeting women.
Of course the best way of controlling your masculine sexual desire is to be all the time sexually satisfied and that is why being an expert in seduction gives you so many advantages in matters of female relationships.
Male testosterone gives to a man an extreme urge to discharge sexually with a good looking woman.
This happens very often at the expenses of screening the woman. This is because male sexuality is visual: the vision of a beautiful rear or nice tits, beautiful mouth, teeth can trigger such a sexual drive in you that you forget other important issues.
In a word male evolutionary screening is not made to screen for the quality of her personality.
It is made to screen for physical qualities related with the skill of bear children. A man is in fact potentially in the condition of fathering many, many children with different women.
This is something you need to remember before you approach women.
There are some microseconds before the approach starts you can use for this.
Guys who still have problem approaching definitely cannot do this.
When you have reached the stage when approaching a woman will feel about the same like eating an ice cream before you approach her give yourself a short break, user your peripheral vision if needed and observe her with attention.
There are more and more studies about the role of intuition in the brain. They all say that if your intuition tells you something in most of the cases it is right.
Anyway to give you a guideline I list here a few things you need to observe.
Male pre-approach pre-screening = PP is something you do both with your intelligence and your guts just before you approach her. It will spare you lots of problems and have you invest your energy into the right women (right for you).
This list is subjective and reflects by own screening criteria. I am using it as an example.
If you like women who smoke 30 cigarettes in a day, spit on the ground and are so drunk that can barely walk just go for it. The idea is that you can screen a woman rapidly to decide will you approach her or the next woman depending on your gut feelings and a quick observation of her.
Remember: your gut feelings cannot fool you.
This list of course is based on my preferences but you can do your own list.
So some guidelines are:
- Does she dress well: this can be many things for example does her way of dressing express niceness, femininity or on the contrary a masculine attitude, does her way of dressing express a poor care of herself or does her way of dressing express conservativeness or a fight against the authority, is she dressed to express her political opinions and if so which are they and so on.
- The expression of her face is extremely important: is the expression of her face serious, meditative or does express anger, depression? If there is depression on her face avoid her like the plague, it means trouble! Does she smile and laugh a lot, is she relaxed and so on. For example I never approach women with a depressed facial expression, I just go for the next smiling girl!
- How she carries herself: position of her body, body movements: women are very expressive and they give messages about themselves by the way they carry themselves. For example a stiff and tough way of walking or sitting may express either a masculine attitude or depression or stress.
- Shoes: they tell a lot of a woman. If she chooses feminine shoes she may be of the passive, receptive, feminine type, if she has commando boots maybe she is aggressive, masculine. Some women choose shoes to express having an intellectual nature, some other choose them to express their free minded attitude, others choose them to express conservativeness, others do not choose them at all thus expressing their chaotic nature or at worst total naiveness and low level attitude.
- Signs of self-destructiveness on her body: like for example cutting herself, cigarette burns and any other symbol like this – is a sure indicator of a woman with a personality disorder. If you like tigers and a life without sleep just go for it. Experience in the field has taught me that signs of self-destructiveness in her outlook indicate a self-destructive personality in 95% of the cases.
When you walk on the streets and you are meeting women let your subconscious guide you.
For example "depressed face" hmm.. next girll! "happy smile" hmm.. approach! "happy smile + cuts on her wrist" next girl!
This is a kind of semiconscious fast pre-screening you can apply to your pick-ups as a tool to improve the quality of the women you have around.
Franco
by Franco on January 8, 2011
Screen women while you meet them
Well let´s assume that you are at the stage of being able to approach women everywhere and are enjoying the wonderful feeling of abundance which comes with good skills in meeting women.
Already at this stage it is very important for you to learn the art of screening women.
Why is that?
Because now that you are operating from a frame of abundance you will not have the time for every girl.
Another good reason is that when you screen women that has you come out automatically as the prize in the relationship with them and it increases your appeal a lot when women "sense" – and believe me they will ! – that you do not have time for everyone.Another good reason is that when you screen women that has you come out automatically as the prize in the relationship with them and it increases your appeal a lot when women "sense" – and believe me they will ! – that you do not have time for everyone.
Another important reason for screening women is: you do not get into trouble as you will learn to look more and more for better women not only basing your screening on nice rears and tits but especially on their personality features and especially on how they treat you.
So here are a few tips about something you can do from the beginning in order to improve your screening skills.
Your worst enemy in matters of screening women is: your own testosterone.
Your tremendous masculine sexual desire also impairs your judgment in matters of screening women and for that reason it is important to learn to control it while meeting women.
Of course the best way of controlling your masculine sexual desire is to be all the time sexually satisfied and that is why being an expert in seduction gives you so many advantages in matters of female relationships.
Male testosterone gives to a man an extreme urge to discharge sexually with a good looking woman.
This happens very often at the expenses of screening the woman. This is because male sexuality is visual: the vision of a beautiful rear or nice tits, beautiful mouth, teeth can trigger such a sexual drive in you that you forget other important issues.
In a word male evolutionary screening is not made to screen for the quality of her personality.
It is made to screen for physical qualities related with the skill of bear children. A man is in fact potentially in the condition of fathering many, many children with different women.
This is something you need to remember before you approach women.
There are some microseconds before the approach starts you can use for this.
Guys who still have problem approaching definitely cannot do this.
When you have reached the stage when approaching a woman will feel about the same like eating an ice cream before you approach her give yourself a short break, user your peripheral vision if needed and observe her with attention.
There are more and more studies about the role of intuition in the brain. They all say that if your intuition tells you something in most of the cases it is right.
Anyway to give you a guideline I list here a few things you need to observe.
Male pre-approach pre-screening = PP is something you do both with your intelligence and your guts just before you approach her. It will spare you lots of problems and have you invest your energy into the right women (right for you).
This list is subjective and reflects by own screening criteria. I am using it as an example.
If you like women who smoke 30 cigarettes in a day, spit on the ground and are so drunk that can barely walk just go for it. The idea is that you can screen a woman rapidly to decide will you approach her or the next woman depending on your gut feelings and a quick observation of her.
Remember: your gut feelings cannot fool you.
This list of course is based on my preferences but you can do your own list.
So some guidelines are:
- Does she dress well: this can be many things for example does her way of dressing express niceness, femininity or on the contrary a masculine attitude, does her way of dressing express a poor care of herself or does her way of dressing express conservativeness or a fight against the authority, is she dressed to express her political opinions and if so which are they and so on.
- The expression of her face is extremely important: is the expression of her face serious, meditative or does express anger, depression? If there is depression on her face avoid her like the plague, it means trouble! Does she smile and laugh a lot, is she relaxed and so on. For example I never approach women with a depressed facial expression, I just go for the next smiling girl!
- How she carries herself: position of her body, body movements: women are very expressive and they give messages about themselves by the way they carry themselves. For example a stiff and tough way of walking or sitting may express either a masculine attitude or depression or stress.
- Shoes: they tell a lot of a woman. If she chooses feminine shoes she may be of the passive, receptive, feminine type, if she has commando boots maybe she is aggressive, masculine. Some women choose shoes to express having an intellectual nature, some other choose them to express their free minded attitude, others choose them to express conservativeness, others do not choose them at all thus expressing their chaotic nature or at worst total naiveness and low level attitude.
- Signs of self-destructiveness on her body: like for example cutting herself, cigarette burns and any other symbol like this – is a sure indicator of a woman with a personality disorder. If you like tigers and a life without sleep just go for it. Experience in the field has taught me that signs of self-destructiveness in her outlook indicate a self-destructive personality in 95% of the cases.
When you walk on the streets and you are meeting women let your subconscious guide you.
For example "depressed face" hmm.. next girll! "happy smile" hmm.. approach! "happy smile + cuts on her wrist" next girl!
This is a kind of semiconscious fast pre-screening you can apply to your pick-ups as a tool to improve the quality of the women you have around.
Franco
Monday, February 28, 2011
FR :Oscars party w Zey I get LMR
Last night I went out with another cuban latina woman she showed alot of interst wanting to be with me,she is 37 has 2 kids,she wanted to be with me to watch "Oscars" and Cuddle.
I pace and lead her and we set up a date I picked her up from a parking lot to go to our private "oscar night"party. we ended up in a miami beach hotel room.Palmer house very awesome.
she got LMR upfront but used role playing and adventure fantasy as we are having a our Celebrity Oscars party.
we were watching TV and sametime build comfort , we started making out intensely, she started controling her horniness everytime I escalated.
at times shed stand up and go get water.at comercial breaks wed make out heavly and cuddle , Id touch her body she would pull back.
I at times escalate and pull back and she would try to please me, it was an LMR battle.back and forth.
she'd use disqualifers like :"Im too old for you" "dont think cause Im older we will have sex tonight" Id laugh and make out with her.
Id build more comfort and ran NLP routines to elicit her horny and attraction state (cosmo routine and movie star EV sexual pattern)and shed feel that state shed back off and try to change subject.
then it got to a point where I was kissing her and I kiss her neck and hair pull and lick her neck. I felt she was turned on so bad that she stood up and said she neede to go to the bathroom.
she came back and said she need to go home.
I said why soo soon oscars arent even half way (Ive been battling LMR for 1 1/2 hour)
she said "I cant.im older than you and this might get farther than i expected so i have to go."
she then she asked me if i was mad i said no.I acted like it wasnt a big deal and we left the room.
she started asking me if I was mad, I acted like I didnt care and it wasnt a big deal.
As I dropped her off during the drive we were building comfort .
she started to say that she has never been with a younger guy before and she feels uncomfrtable to be in public with me, I said "we can be discrete, whatever goes behind closed doors is between 2 adults and its nobody elses business, right"
She said that I'm smart ,creative and intellectual and rare guy throwing compliments at me I just said "thank you"
she said that alot of girls probably throw themselves at me.
she said " Im not like this on a first date or have sex on first date but wow if you are this romantic on a first date then I can imagine what you end up doing with other girls"
I said "this isnt a date its a private oscars party" ;)
As I got to her car and we kissed again and we went on our own separate ways.
now I feel she is doing PNP like the other latina cuban woman where she isnt showing interst by phone or text and wants me to chase her. and I suck at that and get needy and blow the set.
Im running into a pattern of non closure with these latina women I hope you notice whats wrong here its repeating smae scenario as groundhog day.
or should I next ? Im seeing she is LSE
I pace and lead her and we set up a date I picked her up from a parking lot to go to our private "oscar night"party. we ended up in a miami beach hotel room.Palmer house very awesome.
she got LMR upfront but used role playing and adventure fantasy as we are having a our Celebrity Oscars party.
we were watching TV and sametime build comfort , we started making out intensely, she started controling her horniness everytime I escalated.
at times shed stand up and go get water.at comercial breaks wed make out heavly and cuddle , Id touch her body she would pull back.
I at times escalate and pull back and she would try to please me, it was an LMR battle.back and forth.
she'd use disqualifers like :"Im too old for you" "dont think cause Im older we will have sex tonight" Id laugh and make out with her.
Id build more comfort and ran NLP routines to elicit her horny and attraction state (cosmo routine and movie star EV sexual pattern)and shed feel that state shed back off and try to change subject.
then it got to a point where I was kissing her and I kiss her neck and hair pull and lick her neck. I felt she was turned on so bad that she stood up and said she neede to go to the bathroom.
she came back and said she need to go home.
I said why soo soon oscars arent even half way (Ive been battling LMR for 1 1/2 hour)
she said "I cant.im older than you and this might get farther than i expected so i have to go."
she then she asked me if i was mad i said no.I acted like it wasnt a big deal and we left the room.
she started asking me if I was mad, I acted like I didnt care and it wasnt a big deal.
As I dropped her off during the drive we were building comfort .
she started to say that she has never been with a younger guy before and she feels uncomfrtable to be in public with me, I said "we can be discrete, whatever goes behind closed doors is between 2 adults and its nobody elses business, right"
She said that I'm smart ,creative and intellectual and rare guy throwing compliments at me I just said "thank you"
she said that alot of girls probably throw themselves at me.
she said " Im not like this on a first date or have sex on first date but wow if you are this romantic on a first date then I can imagine what you end up doing with other girls"
I said "this isnt a date its a private oscars party" ;)
As I got to her car and we kissed again and we went on our own separate ways.
now I feel she is doing PNP like the other latina cuban woman where she isnt showing interst by phone or text and wants me to chase her. and I suck at that and get needy and blow the set.
Im running into a pattern of non closure with these latina women I hope you notice whats wrong here its repeating smae scenario as groundhog day.
or should I next ? Im seeing she is LSE
Monday, February 14, 2011
slavomir BB talks about my sticking points
Hola papa sandros
Gas station:
this was hard situation, time was a key element there
u got approximately 30 sec. to make your move...
and what action could give you the time and attention of the lady?
yes! u should act like a commando - screw out the valve and release the air from tyre
you have just disabled the enemy, she cannot retreat without HUMVEE
even if enemy have spotted u, your smile and "I like u and somehow wanted to chat with u for 5 min. no matter what" would break the ice
u can imagine the rest of the story by urself
Some could say that this is ridiculous, but actually this is clever
The worst physical reason is always easier to accept than the best game.
So that's why she would willingly stay with you coz of her flat tire - she would need you, she would need a man to do the man's thing
And one more thing - don't be afraid to act like a spies from a movies. Women simply love them for the way they act.
Library:
I have read your other posts and you surely got problem with eye-to-eye contact.
Every time when you got into eye-contact, instead of withdrawing try this:
1) Look at her boobs and try to guess the size.
2) Look at her hands and check if she has a ring.
3) Look at her waist and try to guess color of her panties.
4) Look at her feet and try to guess the size.
Each step should take no more than 1 second.
At the end look into her eyes again and give her a smile that u gave your mom when she baked a cake for ur 10th birthday
BANG she's yours
Outside Supermarket:
What would Tom Cruise do in a movie?
He would stop the car on the middle of the cross-road, turn off engine, pull hand brake,turn on hazard lights and step out of the car to initiate the lady.
Just like that, nothing to loose, except a parking ticket or adoration from drivers behind
THE POWER OF IMAGINATION MECHANISM
The difference between man and woman is huge.
Man can imagine that he is driving ferrari or f*cking some wh*res and he can have thousands of such imaginations a day.
Man can distinguish the imagination from real life.
Woman is very different - imagination is real.
When she imagines that she is making love with somebody, she considers that she is making this for real.
Case 1:
Man asked his woman if she was imagining sex with another man, and she said "yes".
He would just go over it, coz it was just an imagination, no real penis did entered HIS vagina
Case 2:
Woman asked her partner if he was imagining sex with another woman, and he said "yes".
She would behave like he had cheated her for real.
And that is why you should never reject the opportunity (not chance, not possibility, but opportunity) in such cases.
If you had an intensive eye contact, your pupils constricted and u felt sexual experience, she also had this.
U both made sex in your imagination and you both can do this again in real.
bb
Gas station:
this was hard situation, time was a key element there
u got approximately 30 sec. to make your move...
and what action could give you the time and attention of the lady?
yes! u should act like a commando - screw out the valve and release the air from tyre
you have just disabled the enemy, she cannot retreat without HUMVEE
even if enemy have spotted u, your smile and "I like u and somehow wanted to chat with u for 5 min. no matter what" would break the ice
u can imagine the rest of the story by urself
Some could say that this is ridiculous, but actually this is clever
The worst physical reason is always easier to accept than the best game.
So that's why she would willingly stay with you coz of her flat tire - she would need you, she would need a man to do the man's thing
And one more thing - don't be afraid to act like a spies from a movies. Women simply love them for the way they act.
Library:
I have read your other posts and you surely got problem with eye-to-eye contact.
Every time when you got into eye-contact, instead of withdrawing try this:
1) Look at her boobs and try to guess the size.
2) Look at her hands and check if she has a ring.
3) Look at her waist and try to guess color of her panties.
4) Look at her feet and try to guess the size.
Each step should take no more than 1 second.
At the end look into her eyes again and give her a smile that u gave your mom when she baked a cake for ur 10th birthday
BANG she's yours
Outside Supermarket:
What would Tom Cruise do in a movie?
He would stop the car on the middle of the cross-road, turn off engine, pull hand brake,turn on hazard lights and step out of the car to initiate the lady.
Just like that, nothing to loose, except a parking ticket or adoration from drivers behind
THE POWER OF IMAGINATION MECHANISM
The difference between man and woman is huge.
Man can imagine that he is driving ferrari or f*cking some wh*res and he can have thousands of such imaginations a day.
Man can distinguish the imagination from real life.
Woman is very different - imagination is real.
When she imagines that she is making love with somebody, she considers that she is making this for real.
Case 1:
Man asked his woman if she was imagining sex with another man, and she said "yes".
He would just go over it, coz it was just an imagination, no real penis did entered HIS vagina
Case 2:
Woman asked her partner if he was imagining sex with another woman, and he said "yes".
She would behave like he had cheated her for real.
And that is why you should never reject the opportunity (not chance, not possibility, but opportunity) in such cases.
If you had an intensive eye contact, your pupils constricted and u felt sexual experience, she also had this.
U both made sex in your imagination and you both can do this again in real.
bb
Wednesday, February 9, 2011
Newbie Exercises by FRANCO
When you are new to picking women up you almost probably have approach anxiety unless you have been since young a natural playboy.
Learning to pickup women is little bit like learning to ride a bicycle. It is all about letting your body and your mind by continuous exercise get in touch with new physical and mental behaviors.
Your body and your mind face new mindsets, postures and gestures they are not used to.
For this reason if you are new to the world of picking women up it´s better you “start small” to have your mind and body slowly adapted to the new situations.
For this reason it may be useful to learn about these 3 mental zones:
- Comfort zone: what you feel comfortable doing
- Stretch zone: what creates in you “little bit of distress” but not much
- Panic zone: what would have you get into deep fear and panic
The right learning curve is achieved by putting yourself little bit into the stretch zone in “small doses” before you get into the panic zone.
For example: if walking in a place full of beautiful women has you into the panic zone then visit spaces where you know you can find women alone then slowly get into little bit more crowded places till you feel comfortable with it.
Never get straight into the panic zone: it demotivates you and has you step back from the game.
Exercises:
- Coach yourself to walk in places where you know you can meet women very slowly. Deliberately reduce the speed. There are two main reasons: if you go fast you cannot really pay attention to the surroundings. Pickup is all about paying attention to what is around you. Beside that: walking slowly and doing things slowly has the people around you feel that you are a man of higher value. Being in a rush is a sign of lower value.
- Coach yourself to talk slowly. Reduce the speed of your talk. Talking fast is a sign on insecurity. Taking your time and talking slowly is a sign of higher value.
- At times walk on the streets very slowly. When you see a beautiful woman slowly turn your head, hold eye contact for a second and the smile. Coach yourself to pay attention to her reactions: some will smile back, some will blush, some will turn head away, some will look down. The ones who turn the back away are not interested. The ones who blush or feel uneasy may have your same problem: lack of experience in meeting people. Instead the ones who look down and blush or show any other signs of inner emotional shaking are the ones who like you and would respond well to your approach.
- Repeat the former exercises several times and when you are comfortable with that begin to smile to the women on the streets like above. Don´t pay any attention to the ones who turn they face on the other side. Instead coach yourself to say a warm: “Hi” only to the ones who blush, look down and to the ones who say back: “Hi”. Simply forget the ones who do not react or with draw contact and focus only on the ones who respond positively. One wonderful thing you will learn when practicing pickup and seduction is the huge importance of focusing always on the positive.
- When you can do all of the above and feel comfortable about it you can begin to use some opener.
Learning to pickup women is little bit like learning to ride a bicycle. It is all about letting your body and your mind by continuous exercise get in touch with new physical and mental behaviors.
Your body and your mind face new mindsets, postures and gestures they are not used to.
For this reason if you are new to the world of picking women up it´s better you “start small” to have your mind and body slowly adapted to the new situations.
For this reason it may be useful to learn about these 3 mental zones:
- Comfort zone: what you feel comfortable doing
- Stretch zone: what creates in you “little bit of distress” but not much
- Panic zone: what would have you get into deep fear and panic
The right learning curve is achieved by putting yourself little bit into the stretch zone in “small doses” before you get into the panic zone.
For example: if walking in a place full of beautiful women has you into the panic zone then visit spaces where you know you can find women alone then slowly get into little bit more crowded places till you feel comfortable with it.
Never get straight into the panic zone: it demotivates you and has you step back from the game.
Exercises:
- Coach yourself to walk in places where you know you can meet women very slowly. Deliberately reduce the speed. There are two main reasons: if you go fast you cannot really pay attention to the surroundings. Pickup is all about paying attention to what is around you. Beside that: walking slowly and doing things slowly has the people around you feel that you are a man of higher value. Being in a rush is a sign of lower value.
- Coach yourself to talk slowly. Reduce the speed of your talk. Talking fast is a sign on insecurity. Taking your time and talking slowly is a sign of higher value.
- At times walk on the streets very slowly. When you see a beautiful woman slowly turn your head, hold eye contact for a second and the smile. Coach yourself to pay attention to her reactions: some will smile back, some will blush, some will turn head away, some will look down. The ones who turn the back away are not interested. The ones who blush or feel uneasy may have your same problem: lack of experience in meeting people. Instead the ones who look down and blush or show any other signs of inner emotional shaking are the ones who like you and would respond well to your approach.
- Repeat the former exercises several times and when you are comfortable with that begin to smile to the women on the streets like above. Don´t pay any attention to the ones who turn they face on the other side. Instead coach yourself to say a warm: “Hi” only to the ones who blush, look down and to the ones who say back: “Hi”. Simply forget the ones who do not react or with draw contact and focus only on the ones who respond positively. One wonderful thing you will learn when practicing pickup and seduction is the huge importance of focusing always on the positive.
- When you can do all of the above and feel comfortable about it you can begin to use some opener.
so update that Yoyi ended up fail. and I proceed with zey
so after my date things went bad and I admit I fucked up in the follow up but Im concerned that she might have issues and Im not screening.
Mark and Tripp say NEXT or FLUSH.
Jesse says to keep on..I disagree with him abit but that is his style of game.
I ofcourse go for sex, my game is fluid.CAMALEON game.rapport.build commonality as you relate to people.I think Mike Lee's prgram is the best at this.
I also have to calibrate deep comfort.
sometimes its too much and I have to admit that it may not work for LSE types.
I will try to come up with money to work and cover costs,
I have to review my call with mark last year when I was basing my life with career descicions he gave me great advice.
so I spoke with Zey and we agreed to meet up soon, she semi qualified me as mature adult to be able to hook up and meet up.
she has an iphone and thats cool.
she ahs issues too and I hope I can help her with that ;)
I think yoyi issue had to do with calibration.
I might talk with Jon or Franco.
Jesse insists on keep going for it but Im not prepared to compete with other older men with money.
I have to work on my frame so that Im not provider type.
9 10 game audio by Mr.M and Braddock is really good when women try to put you in a category.
I think its over with her eventhough some say she might sreach out depends on 3 days or 3 weeks.
Zey is next up to bat.
I might start doing online stuff as Im planning for 1st date set up.
I have the party coming up soon. so It would have been great to have Jon help me but I will review Franco's comments.
I have to go socialize, I might start strip club game again just to feel good again and work on my eye contact.
Artisan is good but too much money on coaching I have to atleast lay some bitches.
this month of Febrauary is to deal with cuban woman dry spell.
so I have to close.
I also started working out again HOO RAY~
Mark and Tripp say NEXT or FLUSH.
Jesse says to keep on..I disagree with him abit but that is his style of game.
I ofcourse go for sex, my game is fluid.CAMALEON game.rapport.build commonality as you relate to people.I think Mike Lee's prgram is the best at this.
I also have to calibrate deep comfort.
sometimes its too much and I have to admit that it may not work for LSE types.
I will try to come up with money to work and cover costs,
I have to review my call with mark last year when I was basing my life with career descicions he gave me great advice.
so I spoke with Zey and we agreed to meet up soon, she semi qualified me as mature adult to be able to hook up and meet up.
she has an iphone and thats cool.
she ahs issues too and I hope I can help her with that ;)
I think yoyi issue had to do with calibration.
I might talk with Jon or Franco.
Jesse insists on keep going for it but Im not prepared to compete with other older men with money.
I have to work on my frame so that Im not provider type.
9 10 game audio by Mr.M and Braddock is really good when women try to put you in a category.
I think its over with her eventhough some say she might sreach out depends on 3 days or 3 weeks.
Zey is next up to bat.
I might start doing online stuff as Im planning for 1st date set up.
I have the party coming up soon. so It would have been great to have Jon help me but I will review Franco's comments.
I have to go socialize, I might start strip club game again just to feel good again and work on my eye contact.
Artisan is good but too much money on coaching I have to atleast lay some bitches.
this month of Febrauary is to deal with cuban woman dry spell.
so I have to close.
I also started working out again HOO RAY~
Friday, January 28, 2011
Seduction Techniques: Push-Pull by Franco
Push-pull is giving in purpose mixed positive and negative signals to her. When this is well calibrated it can be emotionally confusing to a woman, and this builds tension.
Women are emotional creatures and they love tension: it makes then attracted to you and… horny.
The structure of the push-pull is simple. You say something very positive and then again something negative in a repetitive fashion.
You: “I like your shoes..”
You: “Hmm.. you don´t have high heels. That´s bad!”
or
You: “You look like a country girl. I just adore spontaneous women!”
You: “Can you write and read?”
The right way of doing this is playful. You should be laid back and she has to feel how you are having fun yourself in the process.
This can make a woman horny and attracted to you very fast so be ready to capitalize by touching her when she is at her high attraction point.
Cheers, Franco
helping men since 2004
Women are emotional creatures and they love tension: it makes then attracted to you and… horny.
The structure of the push-pull is simple. You say something very positive and then again something negative in a repetitive fashion.
You: “I like your shoes..”
You: “Hmm.. you don´t have high heels. That´s bad!”
or
You: “You look like a country girl. I just adore spontaneous women!”
You: “Can you write and read?”
The right way of doing this is playful. You should be laid back and she has to feel how you are having fun yourself in the process.
This can make a woman horny and attracted to you very fast so be ready to capitalize by touching her when she is at her high attraction point.
Cheers, Franco
helping men since 2004
Wednesday, January 12, 2011
female validation :why she makes out with you and then drops you
Club game: why she makes out with you and then drops you
by Franco on September 12, 2010
Club game is a totally different perspective.
All what is true in other types of games becomes wilder and pretty much different in club game.
Guys project their horniness into the girls and believe that the girls will behave like guys; try to get laid as their main goal.
Well that is true: women like sex as much as guys and want to get laid as much as the guys do.
Anyway, there are some very important differences between guys and girls in matters of priorities in the sexual area.
If you have been making out with a girl in the club and then wondering why she suddenly left without having sex with you well the reason is exactly in those differences between girls and boys in matters of priorities.
Guys are very much puzzled and irritated when she makes out with them and then leaves.
They do not understand the meaning of this apparently “illogical” behavior.
Well there is a very important logic in this kind of female behavior: a female´s main sexual goal is not to get laid.
A female´s main sexual goal is to get social power by building as many social links as possible and then controlling them at need.
This is the main sexual end goal of the woman.
Only after she has done that she can get to her second priority: getting laid.
Having sex is her second end goal after she is sure that she has succeeded in building as many social links as possible.
A female labeled as a “slut” by other women is a rare woman who does not follow this law: first the screening, then the sex.
A big part of this behavior is to have as many males as possible get into the sub-servient attitude towards her so that she can gain social power over them.
When you wonder why she makes out with you and then leaves you are missing to detect an important law of evolution at work: she is screening men in the same way she does in other venues it´s only that she does it with much faster and much tougher means.
This touching you, making out with you has a totally different meaning in the club compared to the meaning it would have if it would happen on the streets or – maybe – while you watch a movie with her in a movie theater.
In those cases touching you, making out with you would be a strong indicator of her wanting sex with you especially if there are no other girls around and you are not in a social group.
In those situations she would have no competition as there are no other girls around. You would have no competition around as well: there would be no other guys around.
In the club the situation is totally different she knows very well that there is strong female competition. She also knows that the guys are dying of the desire of having sex with the girls as soon as possible.
So she needs to hook guys who try to seduce her very fast in order to win female competition and have as many males as possible investing their energy into her before she can start screening them.
50 years ago the hook would have been uncovering little bit her leg or holding eye contact little bit longer with some guy.
Nowadays such nice hooks would not work anymore as the clubs and the cities are otherwise full of girls who are having free minded sex with the guys left and right.
No guy pays anymore so much attention to a naked ass or a girl holding eye contact longer with him.
Also, there are so many nice guys around that many guys really do not have the courage to approach on the streets and go to clubs with the hope of getting laid.
In the club environment her main goal is to firstly gain social power by multiplying her social links and the number of guys who supplicate to her.
She does that to have the time to continue her screening and win her female competition.
Without the hook she would have nothing to screen for. There is always the “slut” next to her who has the guys get laid “for free.”
Actually one single “slut” is a really dangerous competition for the average girls. She is little bit like a guy: she can give sexual satisfaction and get laid with many, many guys during a week.
It really puts in danger other women by keeping them from getting out of the guys more than the sex.
So what she does?
She uses a stronger hook: heavy make out with you just to drop you when you escalate to have her into sex.
By making out with you she gains a huge advantage on the other girls: she has you hooked so that you forget the other girls and invest your energy mainly into her.
You focus your attention on her and get betaised while she makes out with you and at the same time controls her own horniness by drinking alcohol and by chatting with the other girls in the bathroom.
Yes, alcohol is very often used by girls in order to control horniness: alcohol rises endorphins and dopamine the hormones of the pleasure and can help a girl getting out of club while being terribly horny without having sex with a single guy!
For this reason I never sarge a girl who is heavily drunk. It becomes to easy for her to control her own horniness.
Same goes about talking a lot. A female Californian psychiatrist has demonstrated that females get from talking the same pleasure they get from orgasms.
Girls use chatting with other girls as a way to control their own emotions. The girlfriend who is her “cock block” has the same meaning: she is helping the target to control her own emotions when she is close to get horny.
The bathroom is in clubs for females the “female horniness control room.”
Have you ever been in clubs in a situation where she makes out with you and then says: “I go to pee” and when she comes back she has changed and begins to find all the kind of excuses to drop you?
Well if you have been there you know what I am talking about. She is doing that to control her own horniness in order to have the time to evaluate you and plan the evaluation of the other guys in the club.
Evaluating guys, screening them is dictated by the deep instincts of evolution: they tell her to screen for the stronger male and at the same time for a male who can be manipulated into investing his energy into her.
She does that under her instinct of protecting herself and the offspring which would potentially derive from your sexual contact with her
I can hear you: you object that modern girls do not need men to take care of the offspring and that they can live on social security.
That is true and the need to hook you for sex and then drop you to repeat the cycle with other males only demonstrates how much they are under the influence of those instinct in spite of not needing them anymore.
Screening is vital for a female survival. Making out with you and then dropping you gives her the time to screen males and build social links.
It´s an instinct: it protects her and her potential offspring and it is compelling to her.
Now that I have shared with you this we can approach the topic of what you need to do in practice in the club to have success.
These are these main strategies
- If your style is to go heavily sexual and escalate on any girl then what you have to do is to escalate fare more than what she does. This is an important calibration: you need to understand quickly how much is for her “too much” and push her over that border. For example if she touches your hand then you go more sexual than her and touch her ass. If she kisses you then you go more sexual than her and put your hand into her jeans. This will have her discover her cards very fast and if she was trying to hook you in order to build social links and have you supplicate then this will either force her to submit to you sexually or she will blow herself out so that you can go on chatting with other girls. In this particular situation if she says: “I go to the bathroom” or gives any kind of explanations simply go to chat to the next girl in front of her eyes and forget her instantly because she does that in order to control herself. Same thing if she stops you when you escalate more.
- Another way of gaming girls in the club is blocking them in their need of building social links and having you supplicate. In this other way you only give “minor sexual clues” but push her away regularly any time she is close to making out with you. For example you might smile and wink at her but when she comes closer you move your body language away from her. Maybe you neg her. Maybe you tease and do some push-pull. In this other way of gaming girls in clubs you do two things 1. Push her away when she tries to hook you sexually 2. Tend to have her into isolation. Isolation in this case is not a dark side of the club. If you make out with her in a dark side of the club you are basically doing her game. Your goal is to have her get out of the club alone with you and then you start the escalation when the two of you are alone.
- Gaming the group is another way. For example this is a wonderful way if you go clubbing with your best friends. You need to get the charge over the smaller groups which form themselves automatically in the realm of the chaotic situation in the club itself. People of 3-4 or more get together for example close to the bar and you game the group by being “cool” to all the members and totally ignore the girl you want. When she sees that you are the coolest in the group – the leader of the group – you are basically sexually pre-selected and when you push her away she will wonder “who is this guy who is not being an idiot like all the other guys and all the people like him? I want to find out.”
- Using a Pivot. If you have a good female friend who knows that you are a playboy and is complacent towards your adventures go clubbing with her. If you do MLTRs (Multiple Long-Term Relationships) then the girls you are in a relationship usually know about your playboy hobby: go clubbing with her but make sure that she can control her own jealousy. Doing the club game with a Pivot is one of the most powerful ways for having success. In a way you are pre-selected and game the girls while having the Pivot with you being your “girlfriend.” The instinct of the competition will force the target to invest attention in you as it is in women hard wired to want men who are wanted by other women.
- Wingman: if you are with your wingman for all the time of your club gaming have fun with him. While you have fun with him never, never show that your attention is more invested into the girls compared to the attention you give to your wingman. Use peripheral vision to spot your targets. You need to look like two quality guys who are having fun and totally detached from the surroundings. While you have fun with the wing do small approaches by turning your neck on one side but never, never face the girl. If you get compliance than you can face her. Anytime she is resisting you ditch her and pay more attention to your wing.
In order to apply properly the above methods you need to have a broad knowledge of how the mechanisms of evolution affect female sexual desire and that you can find in my Manual of Seduction for Husbands, Single Men and Playboys.
Franco,
by Franco on September 12, 2010
Club game is a totally different perspective.
All what is true in other types of games becomes wilder and pretty much different in club game.
Guys project their horniness into the girls and believe that the girls will behave like guys; try to get laid as their main goal.
Well that is true: women like sex as much as guys and want to get laid as much as the guys do.
Anyway, there are some very important differences between guys and girls in matters of priorities in the sexual area.
If you have been making out with a girl in the club and then wondering why she suddenly left without having sex with you well the reason is exactly in those differences between girls and boys in matters of priorities.
Guys are very much puzzled and irritated when she makes out with them and then leaves.
They do not understand the meaning of this apparently “illogical” behavior.
Well there is a very important logic in this kind of female behavior: a female´s main sexual goal is not to get laid.
A female´s main sexual goal is to get social power by building as many social links as possible and then controlling them at need.
This is the main sexual end goal of the woman.
Only after she has done that she can get to her second priority: getting laid.
Having sex is her second end goal after she is sure that she has succeeded in building as many social links as possible.
A female labeled as a “slut” by other women is a rare woman who does not follow this law: first the screening, then the sex.
A big part of this behavior is to have as many males as possible get into the sub-servient attitude towards her so that she can gain social power over them.
When you wonder why she makes out with you and then leaves you are missing to detect an important law of evolution at work: she is screening men in the same way she does in other venues it´s only that she does it with much faster and much tougher means.
This touching you, making out with you has a totally different meaning in the club compared to the meaning it would have if it would happen on the streets or – maybe – while you watch a movie with her in a movie theater.
In those cases touching you, making out with you would be a strong indicator of her wanting sex with you especially if there are no other girls around and you are not in a social group.
In those situations she would have no competition as there are no other girls around. You would have no competition around as well: there would be no other guys around.
In the club the situation is totally different she knows very well that there is strong female competition. She also knows that the guys are dying of the desire of having sex with the girls as soon as possible.
So she needs to hook guys who try to seduce her very fast in order to win female competition and have as many males as possible investing their energy into her before she can start screening them.
50 years ago the hook would have been uncovering little bit her leg or holding eye contact little bit longer with some guy.
Nowadays such nice hooks would not work anymore as the clubs and the cities are otherwise full of girls who are having free minded sex with the guys left and right.
No guy pays anymore so much attention to a naked ass or a girl holding eye contact longer with him.
Also, there are so many nice guys around that many guys really do not have the courage to approach on the streets and go to clubs with the hope of getting laid.
In the club environment her main goal is to firstly gain social power by multiplying her social links and the number of guys who supplicate to her.
She does that to have the time to continue her screening and win her female competition.
Without the hook she would have nothing to screen for. There is always the “slut” next to her who has the guys get laid “for free.”
Actually one single “slut” is a really dangerous competition for the average girls. She is little bit like a guy: she can give sexual satisfaction and get laid with many, many guys during a week.
It really puts in danger other women by keeping them from getting out of the guys more than the sex.
So what she does?
She uses a stronger hook: heavy make out with you just to drop you when you escalate to have her into sex.
By making out with you she gains a huge advantage on the other girls: she has you hooked so that you forget the other girls and invest your energy mainly into her.
You focus your attention on her and get betaised while she makes out with you and at the same time controls her own horniness by drinking alcohol and by chatting with the other girls in the bathroom.
Yes, alcohol is very often used by girls in order to control horniness: alcohol rises endorphins and dopamine the hormones of the pleasure and can help a girl getting out of club while being terribly horny without having sex with a single guy!
For this reason I never sarge a girl who is heavily drunk. It becomes to easy for her to control her own horniness.
Same goes about talking a lot. A female Californian psychiatrist has demonstrated that females get from talking the same pleasure they get from orgasms.
Girls use chatting with other girls as a way to control their own emotions. The girlfriend who is her “cock block” has the same meaning: she is helping the target to control her own emotions when she is close to get horny.
The bathroom is in clubs for females the “female horniness control room.”
Have you ever been in clubs in a situation where she makes out with you and then says: “I go to pee” and when she comes back she has changed and begins to find all the kind of excuses to drop you?
Well if you have been there you know what I am talking about. She is doing that to control her own horniness in order to have the time to evaluate you and plan the evaluation of the other guys in the club.
Evaluating guys, screening them is dictated by the deep instincts of evolution: they tell her to screen for the stronger male and at the same time for a male who can be manipulated into investing his energy into her.
She does that under her instinct of protecting herself and the offspring which would potentially derive from your sexual contact with her
I can hear you: you object that modern girls do not need men to take care of the offspring and that they can live on social security.
That is true and the need to hook you for sex and then drop you to repeat the cycle with other males only demonstrates how much they are under the influence of those instinct in spite of not needing them anymore.
Screening is vital for a female survival. Making out with you and then dropping you gives her the time to screen males and build social links.
It´s an instinct: it protects her and her potential offspring and it is compelling to her.
Now that I have shared with you this we can approach the topic of what you need to do in practice in the club to have success.
These are these main strategies
- If your style is to go heavily sexual and escalate on any girl then what you have to do is to escalate fare more than what she does. This is an important calibration: you need to understand quickly how much is for her “too much” and push her over that border. For example if she touches your hand then you go more sexual than her and touch her ass. If she kisses you then you go more sexual than her and put your hand into her jeans. This will have her discover her cards very fast and if she was trying to hook you in order to build social links and have you supplicate then this will either force her to submit to you sexually or she will blow herself out so that you can go on chatting with other girls. In this particular situation if she says: “I go to the bathroom” or gives any kind of explanations simply go to chat to the next girl in front of her eyes and forget her instantly because she does that in order to control herself. Same thing if she stops you when you escalate more.
- Another way of gaming girls in the club is blocking them in their need of building social links and having you supplicate. In this other way you only give “minor sexual clues” but push her away regularly any time she is close to making out with you. For example you might smile and wink at her but when she comes closer you move your body language away from her. Maybe you neg her. Maybe you tease and do some push-pull. In this other way of gaming girls in clubs you do two things 1. Push her away when she tries to hook you sexually 2. Tend to have her into isolation. Isolation in this case is not a dark side of the club. If you make out with her in a dark side of the club you are basically doing her game. Your goal is to have her get out of the club alone with you and then you start the escalation when the two of you are alone.
- Gaming the group is another way. For example this is a wonderful way if you go clubbing with your best friends. You need to get the charge over the smaller groups which form themselves automatically in the realm of the chaotic situation in the club itself. People of 3-4 or more get together for example close to the bar and you game the group by being “cool” to all the members and totally ignore the girl you want. When she sees that you are the coolest in the group – the leader of the group – you are basically sexually pre-selected and when you push her away she will wonder “who is this guy who is not being an idiot like all the other guys and all the people like him? I want to find out.”
- Using a Pivot. If you have a good female friend who knows that you are a playboy and is complacent towards your adventures go clubbing with her. If you do MLTRs (Multiple Long-Term Relationships) then the girls you are in a relationship usually know about your playboy hobby: go clubbing with her but make sure that she can control her own jealousy. Doing the club game with a Pivot is one of the most powerful ways for having success. In a way you are pre-selected and game the girls while having the Pivot with you being your “girlfriend.” The instinct of the competition will force the target to invest attention in you as it is in women hard wired to want men who are wanted by other women.
- Wingman: if you are with your wingman for all the time of your club gaming have fun with him. While you have fun with him never, never show that your attention is more invested into the girls compared to the attention you give to your wingman. Use peripheral vision to spot your targets. You need to look like two quality guys who are having fun and totally detached from the surroundings. While you have fun with the wing do small approaches by turning your neck on one side but never, never face the girl. If you get compliance than you can face her. Anytime she is resisting you ditch her and pay more attention to your wing.
In order to apply properly the above methods you need to have a broad knowledge of how the mechanisms of evolution affect female sexual desire and that you can find in my Manual of Seduction for Husbands, Single Men and Playboys.
Franco,
Thursday, December 16, 2010
Daytime women who avoid eye contact..physical shit test ?
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I usually do more seduction and try not to overthink too much with too much theory. Been busy with an important exam coming up so been studying that.
BUT I like to go out during daytime here in Miami.
2 days ago I ran into a strange situation.
I had to run errands. this is art of where I go to talk with strangers etc..
daygame etc
I usually do more inital eye contact and use my deep voice as per Jesse's voice excersize video. i dont joke too much but use alot of eye contact and very sly semi sexual and smirk..and see if she gives non verbal IOIs then I open my mouth about random stuff.
but today somethign I noticed...
Cashier semi attractive big tits 27 yr old latin/cuban woman 8*, though very limited in talking with clients...She would give me eye contact, I tried even throwing in a joke and she kept looking elsewhere or down but not directly at me, like breaking rapport in subtle way.
next bank teller ,
blonde 20 yr old really young sexy latin/cuban another *8..
I was talking to her to pay something, I noticed she was doing superficial rapport and not checking me out at all. I then start throwing a story in to "DHV" ,still she ignored not even pay attention to what I was saying.
Also avoided eye contact all together and ran superficial rapport. She avoid further talk.
Im unsure if I should let it go/withdraw NEXT or break rapport to make her uneasy and move interaction forward.
Like to hear from Jesse and you guys who have experienced this and noticed.
I dont usually get this but Im not sure if it has to deal with type of woman, or the mindset of detecting that reaction when the girl is not reacting at all towards you period.
I usually get noticed by women, they hold eye contact or even initate eye contact with me and hold it.
but most latin or Cuban women intially to me ,they avoid eye contact or look down like avoiding at all cost eventhough we are talking.
Its something not to obesess about but Id like to hear your thoughts on how you see this and can be talked about.
is it a physical sh*t test for you to do something or is it basically not interested and NEXT....
this would be very intersting to hear.
Thanks
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Well, as always the world doesnt turn around you Sandee, so occasional miss eye contact is acceptable. If you really want to have a person make eye contact with you, you can always try some unconventional stuff, like creating awkward situation or pauses...
Dont over think this.
Btw, I missed your intro. Did you do it?
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Well, as always the world doesnt turn around you Sandee, so occasional miss eye contact is acceptable. If you really want to have a person make eye contact with you, you can always try some unconventional stuff, like creating awkward situation or pauses...
Dont over think this.
Btw, I missed your intro. Did you do it?
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Sandee, many girls will specifically look away or look down when they feel ATTRACTED to you. So it's really tough to gauge attraction levels when a girl is not making eye contact. She could be feeling nothing OR she could be feeling sexual heat and that's her automated response to deal with it - avert her eyes.
You don't want to get into a habit of looking for eye contact either, ideally. A woman gives you eye contact and you feel validated. Your state spikes and you feel better.
The next girl doesn't give you eye contact, and you wonder what's wrong. Your state slips.
Your state goes up and down, and you start gaming just to get eye contact rather than opening. Not at all saying that is what's happening here, but just something to watch for!
Persistence is your friend here. If a girl is averting her eyes, you need to keep talking to her (with a touch if you can) so that she has time to become comfortable, and then she'll start making eye contact back.
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Its one of thouse things that when I started using non verbal sexual cuing with women, a whole perspective opened up....
as you explain this very well, YES, as I started getting these women that "avoid personal rapport/avoid eye contact", My inner self went into short circuit.
YES, You are dead on brother!
that is whats happening, I got to stop doing that.
Persistance, definately will try to be more.
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by Franco » Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:18 am
Hello Sandros,
Yes physical shit tests do exist.
I analyze your descriptions of non verbal situations:
>casheir semi attractive big tits 32 yrs old latin/cuban woman 8*, though >very limited in talking with clients...She would give me eye contact, I tried >even throwing in a joke and she kept looking elsewhere or down but not >directly at me, like breaking rapport in subtle way.
Usually if she does not like you she looks to the side. It´s an instinctive reaction. Men do the same: if you see a UG on your way instinctively you turn your head to the other side. This reactions of hers: first giving EC and then looking elsewhere or down tells me more that she is either shy or was caught off guard by your approach.
>next bank teller ,
>blonde 20 yr old really young sexy latin/cuban another *8..
>I was talking to her to pay something, I noticed she was doing superficial >rapport and not checking me out at all. I then start throwing a story in to >"DHV" ,still she ignored not even pay attention to what I was saying.
>Also avoided eye contact all together and ran superficial rapport. She >avoid further talk.
This one is being professional: she gave you the clear message "Don´t mess with me. I am working and being a professional here."
In my opinion the first one had comfort issues when you approached and you got her off guard. So work on comfort. The second one you can next: she gave you the clear message that she is working and does not want/cannot let you in.
>Im unsure if I should let it go/withdraw NEXT or break rapport ish type of >push pull compliment to gauge attention and push the interaction when >this happens.
Risk taking is always good still.. you need to also be good in investing your energy to avoid loss of time. Time is gold in business and... sarging. I would say with the first one you can try to build more comfort and with the second one risk taking would carry a cost of opportunity which is too big especially if there are other nice girls around.
Cheers, Franco
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Like to hear from Franco and you guys who have experienced this and noticed.
I dont usually get this but Im not sure if it has to deal with type of woman, or the mindset of detecting that reaction when the girl is not reacting at all towards you period.
I usually get noticed by women, they hold eye contact or even initate eye contact with me and hold it.
but most latin women intially they avoid eye contact or look down like avoiding at all cost eventhough we are talking.
Its something not to obesess about but Id like to hear your thoughts on how you see this and can be talked about.
is it a physical shite test for you to do something or is it basically not interested and NEXT....
this would be very intersting to hear.
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by papa sandros » Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:48 am
Thank you Franco,
I find it weird. but it makes sense. Some women dont want so I NEXT.
YEs the field taught me stuff and Im glad you can tell me its true about physical shit test.
Thank you talk soon
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Hey Tripp,
sorry Ive been away.
Np. I've been super busy too.
Ive been studying for an exam and went to interviews.Its alot of stuff.
That's good though.
I think we have a couple of minutes left to talk.
1. Daygame: I do daygame usually when Im doing things. Ive been having better louder sound in my voice due to rehersing karaoke.lol.
Good. A more solid voice is always a good thing.
I noticed here in Miami, latin women arent that friendly.
couple of things happen with hired guns here is: They avoid eye contact.women whether cashier or bank teller or supermarket checkout girl.
Hmm. Avoiding eye contact is very bad for a hired gun. That means those employees don't give a shit about their job. "Hired guns" are just that, girls that are hired because of their looks but are also required to be social. Of course, the jobs you mention here, most of those girls look at those jobs as just "filler", basically meaningless. A paycheck and that's it. When you think of "hired guns", think more of strippers and waitresses. Things like that. Those women had a purpose when they got those jobs. To look good to make money.
Even though I throw my voice and eliciting IOI's by bodylanguage.
Ok, how do you mean you're eliciting IOI's by body language? What are you doing?
They avoid eye contact, its like superficial rapport.
this has happend several ocassions.
So today went to bank teller to explain about an account I had in NY and that I owed money to the bank, I moved here in FL.
Well, talking to a bank teller about an old account you owe money on . . . isn't exactly high value, lol.
She was really pretty, I did bodylanguage and smiled but not too much...threw in 2 DHVs to create attraction "I had this account when I lived in NY,now moved here to Miami but was away US, so Im trying to catch up from traveling" since She wasnt really listening to me...still no reaction....Whoa...whats wrong?
From what it sounds to me, probably wondering how you traveled if you owe money on a bank account. Or thinks you're irresponsible to travel while owing money on a bank account. Just my take from what I'm reading, bro.
its daygame and I was thinking ok,its usually rapport based attraction...
she had green eyes, I thought mysterys are they real or throw in a joke but at that point it was time to bounce.
I don't see that working in this particular situation.
the other ones gave no chance of even building rapport nor eye contact..
its weird. then I bumped into this article which explained how women here are.http://www.seductionscience.com/2010/south-beach-miami/
""The women are not particularly friendly. Not mean. But not really friendly either. Picking up by being a laid back, “nice guy” won’t cut it. Expect blow out after blow out and stay in the set no matter what until you turn them around. It’s intense and a rush, but don’t expect to just breeze on in and pull girls with little effort.""
I dont like nightgame and I havent been doing any nightgame either.
I did have few intereactions w women to hook up online but thats fools mate.
Ok, I understand not liking night game since it's not for everyone, but the LEARNING curve is MUCH faster when learning night game. But, why do you not like fool's mate?
I wanted your thoughts on daygame and some suggestions from sticking points. here mentioned and would be great addition to talk.
Daygame uses the same attraction switches as night game, but it's a much different pace. Night game is about the fastest pace you'll find. Day game is much slower in a way, but you also have to realize that during the day, women have this "to do" list in their head, so may not be too open to talking then either. They are thinking, "I need to get this and this and this done. I don't have time to talk." Other women are just leisurely taking their time because they HAVE plenty of time. You have to calibrate to each of those.
Im taking my exam 1st week in December, was going to take it in november cause its very broad.
Lets talk soon,
thanks,
We should be able to talk soon. I may be able to squeeze 30 minutes in this week. I've got a really busy week. And I've got my first book signing this Saturday, plus Thanksgiving Thursday and all that.
I usually do more seduction and try not to overthink too much with too much theory. Been busy with an important exam coming up so been studying that.
BUT I like to go out during daytime here in Miami.
2 days ago I ran into a strange situation.
I had to run errands. this is art of where I go to talk with strangers etc..
daygame etc
I usually do more inital eye contact and use my deep voice as per Jesse's voice excersize video. i dont joke too much but use alot of eye contact and very sly semi sexual and smirk..and see if she gives non verbal IOIs then I open my mouth about random stuff.
but today somethign I noticed...
Cashier semi attractive big tits 27 yr old latin/cuban woman 8*, though very limited in talking with clients...She would give me eye contact, I tried even throwing in a joke and she kept looking elsewhere or down but not directly at me, like breaking rapport in subtle way.
next bank teller ,
blonde 20 yr old really young sexy latin/cuban another *8..
I was talking to her to pay something, I noticed she was doing superficial rapport and not checking me out at all. I then start throwing a story in to "DHV" ,still she ignored not even pay attention to what I was saying.
Also avoided eye contact all together and ran superficial rapport. She avoid further talk.
Im unsure if I should let it go/withdraw NEXT or break rapport to make her uneasy and move interaction forward.
Like to hear from Jesse and you guys who have experienced this and noticed.
I dont usually get this but Im not sure if it has to deal with type of woman, or the mindset of detecting that reaction when the girl is not reacting at all towards you period.
I usually get noticed by women, they hold eye contact or even initate eye contact with me and hold it.
but most latin or Cuban women intially to me ,they avoid eye contact or look down like avoiding at all cost eventhough we are talking.
Its something not to obesess about but Id like to hear your thoughts on how you see this and can be talked about.
is it a physical sh*t test for you to do something or is it basically not interested and NEXT....
this would be very intersting to hear.
Thanks
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Well, as always the world doesnt turn around you Sandee, so occasional miss eye contact is acceptable. If you really want to have a person make eye contact with you, you can always try some unconventional stuff, like creating awkward situation or pauses...
Dont over think this.
Btw, I missed your intro. Did you do it?
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Well, as always the world doesnt turn around you Sandee, so occasional miss eye contact is acceptable. If you really want to have a person make eye contact with you, you can always try some unconventional stuff, like creating awkward situation or pauses...
Dont over think this.
Btw, I missed your intro. Did you do it?
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Sandee, many girls will specifically look away or look down when they feel ATTRACTED to you. So it's really tough to gauge attraction levels when a girl is not making eye contact. She could be feeling nothing OR she could be feeling sexual heat and that's her automated response to deal with it - avert her eyes.
You don't want to get into a habit of looking for eye contact either, ideally. A woman gives you eye contact and you feel validated. Your state spikes and you feel better.
The next girl doesn't give you eye contact, and you wonder what's wrong. Your state slips.
Your state goes up and down, and you start gaming just to get eye contact rather than opening. Not at all saying that is what's happening here, but just something to watch for!
Persistence is your friend here. If a girl is averting her eyes, you need to keep talking to her (with a touch if you can) so that she has time to become comfortable, and then she'll start making eye contact back.
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Its one of thouse things that when I started using non verbal sexual cuing with women, a whole perspective opened up....
as you explain this very well, YES, as I started getting these women that "avoid personal rapport/avoid eye contact", My inner self went into short circuit.
YES, You are dead on brother!
that is whats happening, I got to stop doing that.
Persistance, definately will try to be more.
You totally understand me Jesse, Thank you bro
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by Franco » Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:18 am
Hello Sandros,
Yes physical shit tests do exist.
I analyze your descriptions of non verbal situations:
>casheir semi attractive big tits 32 yrs old latin/cuban woman 8*, though >very limited in talking with clients...She would give me eye contact, I tried >even throwing in a joke and she kept looking elsewhere or down but not >directly at me, like breaking rapport in subtle way.
Usually if she does not like you she looks to the side. It´s an instinctive reaction. Men do the same: if you see a UG on your way instinctively you turn your head to the other side. This reactions of hers: first giving EC and then looking elsewhere or down tells me more that she is either shy or was caught off guard by your approach.
>next bank teller ,
>blonde 20 yr old really young sexy latin/cuban another *8..
>I was talking to her to pay something, I noticed she was doing superficial >rapport and not checking me out at all. I then start throwing a story in to >"DHV" ,still she ignored not even pay attention to what I was saying.
>Also avoided eye contact all together and ran superficial rapport. She >avoid further talk.
This one is being professional: she gave you the clear message "Don´t mess with me. I am working and being a professional here."
In my opinion the first one had comfort issues when you approached and you got her off guard. So work on comfort. The second one you can next: she gave you the clear message that she is working and does not want/cannot let you in.
>Im unsure if I should let it go/withdraw NEXT or break rapport ish type of >push pull compliment to gauge attention and push the interaction when >this happens.
Risk taking is always good still.. you need to also be good in investing your energy to avoid loss of time. Time is gold in business and... sarging. I would say with the first one you can try to build more comfort and with the second one risk taking would carry a cost of opportunity which is too big especially if there are other nice girls around.
Cheers, Franco
http://www.francoseduction.com/manual-of-seduction
Like to hear from Franco and you guys who have experienced this and noticed.
I dont usually get this but Im not sure if it has to deal with type of woman, or the mindset of detecting that reaction when the girl is not reacting at all towards you period.
I usually get noticed by women, they hold eye contact or even initate eye contact with me and hold it.
but most latin women intially they avoid eye contact or look down like avoiding at all cost eventhough we are talking.
Its something not to obesess about but Id like to hear your thoughts on how you see this and can be talked about.
is it a physical shite test for you to do something or is it basically not interested and NEXT....
this would be very intersting to hear.
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by papa sandros » Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:48 am
Thank you Franco,
I find it weird. but it makes sense. Some women dont want so I NEXT.
YEs the field taught me stuff and Im glad you can tell me its true about physical shit test.
Thank you talk soon
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Hey Tripp,
sorry Ive been away.
Np. I've been super busy too.
Ive been studying for an exam and went to interviews.Its alot of stuff.
That's good though.
I think we have a couple of minutes left to talk.
1. Daygame: I do daygame usually when Im doing things. Ive been having better louder sound in my voice due to rehersing karaoke.lol.
Good. A more solid voice is always a good thing.
I noticed here in Miami, latin women arent that friendly.
couple of things happen with hired guns here is: They avoid eye contact.women whether cashier or bank teller or supermarket checkout girl.
Hmm. Avoiding eye contact is very bad for a hired gun. That means those employees don't give a shit about their job. "Hired guns" are just that, girls that are hired because of their looks but are also required to be social. Of course, the jobs you mention here, most of those girls look at those jobs as just "filler", basically meaningless. A paycheck and that's it. When you think of "hired guns", think more of strippers and waitresses. Things like that. Those women had a purpose when they got those jobs. To look good to make money.
Even though I throw my voice and eliciting IOI's by bodylanguage.
Ok, how do you mean you're eliciting IOI's by body language? What are you doing?
They avoid eye contact, its like superficial rapport.
this has happend several ocassions.
So today went to bank teller to explain about an account I had in NY and that I owed money to the bank, I moved here in FL.
Well, talking to a bank teller about an old account you owe money on . . . isn't exactly high value, lol.
She was really pretty, I did bodylanguage and smiled but not too much...threw in 2 DHVs to create attraction "I had this account when I lived in NY,now moved here to Miami but was away US, so Im trying to catch up from traveling" since She wasnt really listening to me...still no reaction....Whoa...whats wrong?
From what it sounds to me, probably wondering how you traveled if you owe money on a bank account. Or thinks you're irresponsible to travel while owing money on a bank account. Just my take from what I'm reading, bro.
its daygame and I was thinking ok,its usually rapport based attraction...
she had green eyes, I thought mysterys are they real or throw in a joke but at that point it was time to bounce.
I don't see that working in this particular situation.
the other ones gave no chance of even building rapport nor eye contact..
its weird. then I bumped into this article which explained how women here are.http://www.seductionscience.com/2010/south-beach-miami/
""The women are not particularly friendly. Not mean. But not really friendly either. Picking up by being a laid back, “nice guy” won’t cut it. Expect blow out after blow out and stay in the set no matter what until you turn them around. It’s intense and a rush, but don’t expect to just breeze on in and pull girls with little effort.""
I dont like nightgame and I havent been doing any nightgame either.
I did have few intereactions w women to hook up online but thats fools mate.
Ok, I understand not liking night game since it's not for everyone, but the LEARNING curve is MUCH faster when learning night game. But, why do you not like fool's mate?
I wanted your thoughts on daygame and some suggestions from sticking points. here mentioned and would be great addition to talk.
Daygame uses the same attraction switches as night game, but it's a much different pace. Night game is about the fastest pace you'll find. Day game is much slower in a way, but you also have to realize that during the day, women have this "to do" list in their head, so may not be too open to talking then either. They are thinking, "I need to get this and this and this done. I don't have time to talk." Other women are just leisurely taking their time because they HAVE plenty of time. You have to calibrate to each of those.
Im taking my exam 1st week in December, was going to take it in november cause its very broad.
Lets talk soon,
thanks,
We should be able to talk soon. I may be able to squeeze 30 minutes in this week. I've got a really busy week. And I've got my first book signing this Saturday, plus Thanksgiving Thursday and all that.
FR: SNL fuckup at CVS franco and JESSE Charger comments on sticking points
It was Saturday, around midnight I was coming from a party and went to local CVS/Walgreens to buy a marker.
I went in and was for a few minutes as I turn at the end of the aisle a girl with her PJ on makes sexual eye contact and I smile and she smiles back.
she was entering the aisle as I was turning so distance between each other was less than 3 feet away from personal space.She hold eye contact as I hold it as well and I smiled back. I at first didnt realize it until seconds later that I should have apparoched.
then as Im fighting with myself to talk with her and what to say or go direct or whatever stupidity that was keeping me.
I went towards the cashier to pay and she is with her cart at the aisle and she is looking at me from a far playing wiht her hair or IOIing.
it was 12:15 am.
I wait abit as Im looking for change or whatever and pay.
I go out and think what to do , and was texting myself as asking myself what to do in midst of uncertainty.
I felt I was now being creepy if I approached her as I'm outside the store, but it was clear at that moment that that type of IOI and sexual energy from her and me towards her at this time of night is looking for company aka sex.
I see her leave in her car and as I at the light she gets next to my car in her car,we get to the light and next to each other in our cars and its obvious that I should do something.
I get a text from a friend out of the blue and tell him whats going on, he LOL'd cause he never had that happen to him.
Anyways,
I didnt open nor approached , I hesitated and didnt know if I was creepying her out.
I know masculinity was what was going to take to make this work and waht she was waiting for.
next she turns and say fuck it,
Then she reepears next to me in her car, I didnt find courage to turn my head or what to do again we are at stop light already blocks away from the store.
then we drive near the motels section of miami and she gets in front of me and turns to right. then as I drive I she she turned and was waiting or had been waiting half a block.
Anywyas I was confused whether she thought I was following her or theres something wrong with my inner game or way of thinking when some girl opens that window to have sex or IOI's without my doing anything.
Afterwards I wanted to beat myself up cause I didnt do anything which was stupid of me cause this never happened to me.
Typical community advice poisons men's minds by saying we have to try hard to get women.When there can be situation where you dont have to do anythign but talk to her and pace and lead to sex.
I think it would have been awful calibration if i NEGGED the woman for looking at me sexually rather than use that energy of sex and escalate.
Still I would like to hear anyone would have done in this situation feel free to comment aby observations
thanks
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>Typical community advice poisons men's minds by saying we have to try hard to get women.When there >can be situation where you dont have to do anythign but talk to her and pace and lead to sex.
Exactly. What happened was a "dead approach invitation." What she was doing was giving you an approach invitation. When a woman gives an approach invitation you have a few seconds to respond. At that point instead of messing with your own brain thinking "what kind of technique" I can use on this girl you simply get rapport and open.
>I think it would have been awful calibration if i NEGGED the woman for looking at me sexually rather >than use that energy of sex and escalate.
Agree. If you neg a woman who is giving you an approach invitation you are doing a miscalibration. She is doing something positive, she is showing interest. Negging her on that is a mistake.
>Still I would like to hear anyone would have done in this situation feel free to comment aby observations
>thanks[/quote]
One can be busy with other stuff and not have the time to react on approach invitations. The best way of dealing with approach invitations is to either respond with rapport under seconds or not respond ad all and forget her. If you do not respond fast on approach invitation you have lost the chance but that does not need to become an obsession!Cheers, Franco
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I hesitated cause the night before I tried taking a girl I met to a Motel here in miami to have sex and she freaked out when I took her there, eventhough minutes before at the beach that night I was fingering and making out with her.
Weird or my miscalibration?
I think that this particular situation was because you pushed to fast, but without possibility of real close... The girl probably knew the sex was coming, but the way you approached the seduction may have been too pushy (not enought pulling).
Also what I'd suggest to you, in general, (and this might contradict a lot of other literature) is when you are under too much pressure, just let the opportunity pass and relax. You are just not ready at this specific time. The best think to do it to start from small talk with somebody with who you can communicate to avoid and to get used to pressure, so later you can do a normal approach.
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I wanted to edit the name of this post to
"FR:missed casual encounter for sex at latenight drugstrore"
I would have said hi,
I know this I fucked up , but I know its on and we are at a drugstore and she is horny...and we are both in cars so I never had this issue.
I'm sure I didnt need to makeout necesarily, but needed to subcommunicate sex is going to happen but not verbalize it and timebridge to share a late night dessert together and BOOM close..
in the past,pregame I pick-up a girl from a pharmacy and she was outside waiting , I offered her a ride cause it was late and bad neighbourhood.
she gave me a hesitant physical shit test and I acted cool.I was casual not wanting anything just chillin', minutes in the car I bought and invited her beer from the store, we cruised around for 20 minutes and I remember I AFC'd and I asked her where you want to go? and she said anywhere,I dont mind...I assumed and took her straight to motel and she fucked me hard and wanted more and more.That was one of the night I will never forget.
I never saw her again cause when a week later passed by , she was with a man.her BF or husband whatever.
I never had a chance to ask her for her phone.
I also had a woman whom I met and she gave me physical shit test before going up to her place,we both didnt have time for a date and just met her, I texted her to meetup and called her, I told her that "its too bad that we wont be able to see each other that we are both busy? " she then went horny sexual on the phone about her wanting to suck my cock...I just responded
"you are something arent you what am I going to do with you ? "
( in a deep sexual tone of voice ) I told her where she lives by and she told me, then I asked her
"how many minutes do you need to get ready?" she said 15, I said cool and hanged up.
I took a shower , I made sure to look sexy, got there called her...she wasnt that cute but she was ready to go by her vibe and on the phone.
she was stalling and I just spoke with a deep voice and noticed her congruence testing me non verbally,physical shit test ,
I just stared at her with eye contact with a sly sexy smile...and she invited me up....I was talking to her for abit about myself and as she opened the door to her appartment she got on her knees and wanted to suck on my dick, I unziped my jeans and she was sucking it like it was delicious candy.
we had sex and I remmember I made her squirt and she wanted anal, iwas partially leading but she was just out of control horny and I LOVED IT! We dirty talked and I aksed her if she wanted to cocks inside her and I used a dildo to DP her while I was inside her...she said it was amazing..
afterwards. I never saw her again.eventhough I exchanged emails her telling that we should do it again sometime...but she was supposed to move to midwest soon so we lost touch.
Last encounters like this when you asked about her afterwards or kindah seeking rapport....it make it look really needy and clingy.
The girl would get turned off I guess, So I dont do that.
Im surprised anyone hasnt posted any comments here,has this not ever happend to anyone? a casual encounter for sex ?
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Sandee, I'm going to answer your first post.
Now that you're thinking about this girl in retrospect, it's obvious she was down for sex and she was giving you lots of huge, blatant IOIs and signals.
And you're kicking yourself that you did nothing to respond, playing it cold instead.
I think you had a mismatch in energies. She was in a very outward state, and you were in a very inward state, inside your head. You probably weren't smiling and thinking about an intellectual task at hand.
It would be like as if you were doing math problems and deep in thought, and then suddenly found yourself teleported into a dance club. You'd be thrown off, and freeze up.
It's best if when you're out you have that "inner smile" and checking out the chicks and horny and ready for anything and everything to go down.
But it's so rare and strange that girl is just ready to fuck like a female dog in heat, that we get lazy about being in an outward state.
So what's my advice to you ultimately in this case? My suggestion is that perhaps the problem occurred BEFORE you ever got to the CVS.
So is there anyway your state and mindset could have been different when you casually go out, so that when this opportunity arises, you're mentally ready to take advantage of it?
I went in and was for a few minutes as I turn at the end of the aisle a girl with her PJ on makes sexual eye contact and I smile and she smiles back.
she was entering the aisle as I was turning so distance between each other was less than 3 feet away from personal space.She hold eye contact as I hold it as well and I smiled back. I at first didnt realize it until seconds later that I should have apparoched.
then as Im fighting with myself to talk with her and what to say or go direct or whatever stupidity that was keeping me.
I went towards the cashier to pay and she is with her cart at the aisle and she is looking at me from a far playing wiht her hair or IOIing.
it was 12:15 am.
I wait abit as Im looking for change or whatever and pay.
I go out and think what to do , and was texting myself as asking myself what to do in midst of uncertainty.
I felt I was now being creepy if I approached her as I'm outside the store, but it was clear at that moment that that type of IOI and sexual energy from her and me towards her at this time of night is looking for company aka sex.
I see her leave in her car and as I at the light she gets next to my car in her car,we get to the light and next to each other in our cars and its obvious that I should do something.
I get a text from a friend out of the blue and tell him whats going on, he LOL'd cause he never had that happen to him.
Anyways,
I didnt open nor approached , I hesitated and didnt know if I was creepying her out.
I know masculinity was what was going to take to make this work and waht she was waiting for.
next she turns and say fuck it,
Then she reepears next to me in her car, I didnt find courage to turn my head or what to do again we are at stop light already blocks away from the store.
then we drive near the motels section of miami and she gets in front of me and turns to right. then as I drive I she she turned and was waiting or had been waiting half a block.
Anywyas I was confused whether she thought I was following her or theres something wrong with my inner game or way of thinking when some girl opens that window to have sex or IOI's without my doing anything.
Afterwards I wanted to beat myself up cause I didnt do anything which was stupid of me cause this never happened to me.
Typical community advice poisons men's minds by saying we have to try hard to get women.When there can be situation where you dont have to do anythign but talk to her and pace and lead to sex.
I think it would have been awful calibration if i NEGGED the woman for looking at me sexually rather than use that energy of sex and escalate.
Still I would like to hear anyone would have done in this situation feel free to comment aby observations
thanks
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>Typical community advice poisons men's minds by saying we have to try hard to get women.When there >can be situation where you dont have to do anythign but talk to her and pace and lead to sex.
Exactly. What happened was a "dead approach invitation." What she was doing was giving you an approach invitation. When a woman gives an approach invitation you have a few seconds to respond. At that point instead of messing with your own brain thinking "what kind of technique" I can use on this girl you simply get rapport and open.
>I think it would have been awful calibration if i NEGGED the woman for looking at me sexually rather >than use that energy of sex and escalate.
Agree. If you neg a woman who is giving you an approach invitation you are doing a miscalibration. She is doing something positive, she is showing interest. Negging her on that is a mistake.
>Still I would like to hear anyone would have done in this situation feel free to comment aby observations
>thanks[/quote]
One can be busy with other stuff and not have the time to react on approach invitations. The best way of dealing with approach invitations is to either respond with rapport under seconds or not respond ad all and forget her. If you do not respond fast on approach invitation you have lost the chance but that does not need to become an obsession!Cheers, Franco
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Well how about just "hi"? Always works for me...
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Originally Posted by Sandee
I hesitated cause the night before I tried taking a girl I met to a Motel here in miami to have sex and she freaked out when I took her there, eventhough minutes before at the beach that night I was fingering and making out with her.
Weird or my miscalibration?
I think that this particular situation was because you pushed to fast, but without possibility of real close... The girl probably knew the sex was coming, but the way you approached the seduction may have been too pushy (not enought pulling).
Also what I'd suggest to you, in general, (and this might contradict a lot of other literature) is when you are under too much pressure, just let the opportunity pass and relax. You are just not ready at this specific time. The best think to do it to start from small talk with somebody with who you can communicate to avoid and to get used to pressure, so later you can do a normal approach.
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I wanted to edit the name of this post to
"FR:missed casual encounter for sex at latenight drugstrore"
I would have said hi,
I know this I fucked up , but I know its on and we are at a drugstore and she is horny...and we are both in cars so I never had this issue.
I'm sure I didnt need to makeout necesarily, but needed to subcommunicate sex is going to happen but not verbalize it and timebridge to share a late night dessert together and BOOM close..
in the past,pregame I pick-up a girl from a pharmacy and she was outside waiting , I offered her a ride cause it was late and bad neighbourhood.
she gave me a hesitant physical shit test and I acted cool.I was casual not wanting anything just chillin', minutes in the car I bought and invited her beer from the store, we cruised around for 20 minutes and I remember I AFC'd and I asked her where you want to go? and she said anywhere,I dont mind...I assumed and took her straight to motel and she fucked me hard and wanted more and more.That was one of the night I will never forget.
I never saw her again cause when a week later passed by , she was with a man.her BF or husband whatever.
I never had a chance to ask her for her phone.
I also had a woman whom I met and she gave me physical shit test before going up to her place,we both didnt have time for a date and just met her, I texted her to meetup and called her, I told her that "its too bad that we wont be able to see each other that we are both busy? " she then went horny sexual on the phone about her wanting to suck my cock...I just responded
"you are something arent you what am I going to do with you ? "
( in a deep sexual tone of voice ) I told her where she lives by and she told me, then I asked her
"how many minutes do you need to get ready?" she said 15, I said cool and hanged up.
I took a shower , I made sure to look sexy, got there called her...she wasnt that cute but she was ready to go by her vibe and on the phone.
she was stalling and I just spoke with a deep voice and noticed her congruence testing me non verbally,physical shit test ,
I just stared at her with eye contact with a sly sexy smile...and she invited me up....I was talking to her for abit about myself and as she opened the door to her appartment she got on her knees and wanted to suck on my dick, I unziped my jeans and she was sucking it like it was delicious candy.
we had sex and I remmember I made her squirt and she wanted anal, iwas partially leading but she was just out of control horny and I LOVED IT! We dirty talked and I aksed her if she wanted to cocks inside her and I used a dildo to DP her while I was inside her...she said it was amazing..
afterwards. I never saw her again.eventhough I exchanged emails her telling that we should do it again sometime...but she was supposed to move to midwest soon so we lost touch.
Last encounters like this when you asked about her afterwards or kindah seeking rapport....it make it look really needy and clingy.
The girl would get turned off I guess, So I dont do that.
Im surprised anyone hasnt posted any comments here,has this not ever happend to anyone? a casual encounter for sex ?
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Sandee, I'm going to answer your first post.
Now that you're thinking about this girl in retrospect, it's obvious she was down for sex and she was giving you lots of huge, blatant IOIs and signals.
And you're kicking yourself that you did nothing to respond, playing it cold instead.
I think you had a mismatch in energies. She was in a very outward state, and you were in a very inward state, inside your head. You probably weren't smiling and thinking about an intellectual task at hand.
It would be like as if you were doing math problems and deep in thought, and then suddenly found yourself teleported into a dance club. You'd be thrown off, and freeze up.
It's best if when you're out you have that "inner smile" and checking out the chicks and horny and ready for anything and everything to go down.
But it's so rare and strange that girl is just ready to fuck like a female dog in heat, that we get lazy about being in an outward state.
So what's my advice to you ultimately in this case? My suggestion is that perhaps the problem occurred BEFORE you ever got to the CVS.
So is there anyway your state and mindset could have been different when you casually go out, so that when this opportunity arises, you're mentally ready to take advantage of it?
FR Random woman in gasoline station tell me in a sexual way "I bite really HARD"
Hey Ive been extremely busy with studying for exam but Ive run into simliar situations and tonight it happend again.
Gas station:
woman in front is fake red head type 27 yr old *7-8*scale
she was talking to the cashier who is a woman also, and I was behind her at the line.She was kind of tipsy yet kept asking the cashier if she got something to eat, which I found weird in my opinion.I was behind her at the line and didnt notice people was waiting to be attended.
she turned around and said, "Oh Im sorry, go ahead..... i dont bite"
I smiled at her as she made eye contact and then she said "well actually I bite...I bite HARD in real life" in a horny flirtacious-semi serious sort of way.
The guy behind me was blushing as he was buying a beer was just laughing and turning red.
I just smirked back and didnt know what the fuck to say cause honestly she could have been lightly drunk or buzzed..yet she was being flirtacious and bit sexual...
and its like 7pm at a gas station in FL.
I just smirked and smiled but couldnt figure out in my head right after she threw that.I was in a tired state, didnt react properly.
how many times do women flirt out the bat like that?
If I neggged her or "teased"her...not sure, cause it would be punishing her and sorta awkward sorta making it a big deal.
yet I could have just framed it as her wanting to get in my pants ...which is kindah obvious maybe
I dont know, I think studying has been on my mind more logical that makes you rusty in seduction scenarios.
Still, If you were at a gas station 7pm,a woman turns around
looks like this:
tells you I bite in real life in a subtle sexual way at a gas station..WWYD?
how to escalate this, I know if I ask on a date is certainly a flake, I think going for a seduction is better IMO, but this is a gas station at 7pm and I had similar if you read at a 24 hr store aswell and I didnt know what to do.
What would you do if this woman does that.
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by Franco » Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:33 am
Hello Sandros,
This is beautiful. You are being dominant on her and she reacts dominant back. This is a huge sexual innuendo from her.
See when you run direct game like this then you cannot end it. You gotta go all the way long with it even if there are other people around.
Here you should go on with more dominance and try to have her into a semi-isolated place in the venue because.. you cannot know for how long she will be able to run that game with you before she gets worried about the judgment of the people around.
This is what I would do:
>she turned around and said, "Oh Im sorry, go ahead..... i dont bite"
>I smiled at her as she made eye contact and then she said "well actually I >bite...I bite HARD in real life" in a horny flirtacious-semi serious sort of way.
If I would have some food in my hand bought at the bar or whatever eatable like for example a chocolate bar I would politely withdraw a little bit. Sit at table. With my finger would order her to sit down close to me and then put the chocolate bar in front of her nose and say "Bit this then" and proceed with the sarge.
Or I would use even more cocky and funny like "My name is Spock, Mr. Spock, nice to know you. On your Planet we do not feel bites anyway come to sit there with me and tell me more about the inhabitants of this Planet" while telling this I would grab her hand and literally try to have her come to a table.
And let the guy behind me faint .. who cares?:)
>If I neggged her
NO! Never neg a girl who gives you such a sexual innuendo. Just help her become submissive.
>or "teased"her...not sure, cause it would be punishing her
No, if you tease her while leading her where you want then you are being more dominant than her and increase her horniness. You will know very fast if she is willing to be submissive and if her "bite" was sexual or not because.. if she is a masculine dominant bitch at that point she will not comply to your leading and maybe even try to offend you.
At which point you simply turn around and.. leave without a word.
If the sexual innuendo was real she will become more submissive when you become more dominant and follow you.
>and sorta awkward sorta making it a big deal.
>yet I could have just framed it as her wanting to get in my >pants ...which is kindah obvious maybe
Yes this would have been a good one.
You: "Hmm.. you look like hungry. Come to bite now but remember: only biting and nothing else!"
>I dont know, I think studying has been on my mind more logical that >makes you rusty in seduction scenarios.
Yes studying is a huge trip into down time mode and one needs uptime mode to sarge.
Still, If you were at a gas station 7pm,a woman turns around
>What would you do if this woman does that.
Play along and be only slightly more dominant than her and lead her at the same time where I want her to be.
When you do direct game then you gotta be congruent and go on with the direct stuff all the way long till she submits.
Cheers, Franco
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Jesses comments:
haha, that sucks being taken off guard like that and being tongue-tied.
First, she took a big "risk" and you've got to take a big "risk" back. Like say, "Heeeyyy Girl!" Like you already KNOW her. And then give her a BIG HUG.
PULL HER IN, and WHISPER sexy into her ear. "God, you turn me on..."
And keep in mind this advice,
Being
Being ‘Liked’ By Girls Doesn’t Get You Laid!… And Why Guys Fail In Dating
November 9th, 2010 by Jesse Charger
99% of guys come into pickup from the frame: “I want to be LIKED by girls.”
What they do is they putter around for YEARS being a “nice guy” trying to be liked by girls.
Yes, they learn theory, tricks, and tactics, but ultimately they remain “nice guys”.
……..They don’t interrupt conversations at the bar and take them over.
……..They don’t approach because they think the girl might have a boyfriend and they don’t want to get in the way.
……..They don’t look girl’s body up and down and get their creep on because they want to be a “gentleman”.
……..They don’t pull the girl in and grab her ass to get their faces slapped.
……..They use routines to say “the right things” to make the girl laugh, but not offend her or challenge her.
When you want to get better with girls, it’s quite an understandable impulse to want to be “Liked”.
But you know the best way to be LIKED by everyone? Kiss ass. Supplicate. Make your voice quiet and accommodating. Don’t take up space. Be helpful. Say funny things to make the girls laugh. Tell people what you think they want to hear. Mold your opinions to theirs. And NEVER show your sexual intentions lest you creep someone out.
That’s exactly how you get LIKED by everyone. But it doesn’t get you LAID.
If you want to get LAID, you have to let go of being liked all the time and start getting in people’s faces and start stepping on toes.
To get laid, you’re going to need to become an I-come-first, troublemaking Rake to overturn the natural order, with a smile.
That means leering at girls and openly undressing her with your eyes as you talk to them.
That means telling girls upfront that they’re hot, even if the guy standing next to her could be her boyfriend.
That means loudly interrupting a group at a bar and taking over the conversation.
That means pushing yourself on an interested girl, even is her cock-blocking friends are screaming at you and giving you the finger.
Game and pickup and having sexual abundance is NOT about being liked. It’s about making girls wet between the legs because of your reckless persistence and unapologetic sexuality, even if that means pissing off half the people on the planet.
If you’re in this to be LIKED you’re in the wrong field of study.
If you’re relying on routines to be LIKED by the girls, you’re coming from a bad place.
If you’re opening timidly and hiding your intentions to ensure that you’re LIKED, you’re going to fail.
And MOST guys who come into this game will learn a little theory and then putter around for YEARS… and YEARS… trying to make girls LIKE them.
And they NEVER get over their approach anxiety. Because that need to be liked is *THE* source of your approach anxiety.
Only when you decide to drop all the “I hope this make her like me” phony, not-you gimmicks and instead begin to openly and unapologetically get your CREEP ON with girls, only then will the approach anxiety fall away and girls begin REACTING to you as a sexual caveman and Rake who goes for what he wants.
Reckless Game teaches you just that, to Recklessly take action, to Recklessly persist, and to Recklessly express your core desires as a man, regardless of being “liked”.
So remember, this is not about being LIKED, this is about getting LAID and keep in mind the difference.
Leave a comment below and let me know your experience!
~ Jesse
Gas station:
woman in front is fake red head type 27 yr old *7-8*scale
she was talking to the cashier who is a woman also, and I was behind her at the line.She was kind of tipsy yet kept asking the cashier if she got something to eat, which I found weird in my opinion.I was behind her at the line and didnt notice people was waiting to be attended.
she turned around and said, "Oh Im sorry, go ahead..... i dont bite"
I smiled at her as she made eye contact and then she said "well actually I bite...I bite HARD in real life" in a horny flirtacious-semi serious sort of way.
The guy behind me was blushing as he was buying a beer was just laughing and turning red.
I just smirked back and didnt know what the fuck to say cause honestly she could have been lightly drunk or buzzed..yet she was being flirtacious and bit sexual...
and its like 7pm at a gas station in FL.
I just smirked and smiled but couldnt figure out in my head right after she threw that.I was in a tired state, didnt react properly.
how many times do women flirt out the bat like that?
If I neggged her or "teased"her...not sure, cause it would be punishing her and sorta awkward sorta making it a big deal.
yet I could have just framed it as her wanting to get in my pants ...which is kindah obvious maybe
I dont know, I think studying has been on my mind more logical that makes you rusty in seduction scenarios.
Still, If you were at a gas station 7pm,a woman turns around
looks like this:
tells you I bite in real life in a subtle sexual way at a gas station..WWYD?
how to escalate this, I know if I ask on a date is certainly a flake, I think going for a seduction is better IMO, but this is a gas station at 7pm and I had similar if you read at a 24 hr store aswell and I didnt know what to do.
What would you do if this woman does that.
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by Franco » Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:33 am
Hello Sandros,
This is beautiful. You are being dominant on her and she reacts dominant back. This is a huge sexual innuendo from her.
See when you run direct game like this then you cannot end it. You gotta go all the way long with it even if there are other people around.
Here you should go on with more dominance and try to have her into a semi-isolated place in the venue because.. you cannot know for how long she will be able to run that game with you before she gets worried about the judgment of the people around.
This is what I would do:
>she turned around and said, "Oh Im sorry, go ahead..... i dont bite"
>I smiled at her as she made eye contact and then she said "well actually I >bite...I bite HARD in real life" in a horny flirtacious-semi serious sort of way.
If I would have some food in my hand bought at the bar or whatever eatable like for example a chocolate bar I would politely withdraw a little bit. Sit at table. With my finger would order her to sit down close to me and then put the chocolate bar in front of her nose and say "Bit this then" and proceed with the sarge.
Or I would use even more cocky and funny like "My name is Spock, Mr. Spock, nice to know you. On your Planet we do not feel bites anyway come to sit there with me and tell me more about the inhabitants of this Planet" while telling this I would grab her hand and literally try to have her come to a table.
And let the guy behind me faint .. who cares?:)
>If I neggged her
NO! Never neg a girl who gives you such a sexual innuendo. Just help her become submissive.
>or "teased"her...not sure, cause it would be punishing her
No, if you tease her while leading her where you want then you are being more dominant than her and increase her horniness. You will know very fast if she is willing to be submissive and if her "bite" was sexual or not because.. if she is a masculine dominant bitch at that point she will not comply to your leading and maybe even try to offend you.
At which point you simply turn around and.. leave without a word.
If the sexual innuendo was real she will become more submissive when you become more dominant and follow you.
>and sorta awkward sorta making it a big deal.
>yet I could have just framed it as her wanting to get in my >pants ...which is kindah obvious maybe
Yes this would have been a good one.
You: "Hmm.. you look like hungry. Come to bite now but remember: only biting and nothing else!"
>I dont know, I think studying has been on my mind more logical that >makes you rusty in seduction scenarios.
Yes studying is a huge trip into down time mode and one needs uptime mode to sarge.
Still, If you were at a gas station 7pm,a woman turns around
>What would you do if this woman does that.
Play along and be only slightly more dominant than her and lead her at the same time where I want her to be.
When you do direct game then you gotta be congruent and go on with the direct stuff all the way long till she submits.
Cheers, Franco
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Jesses comments:
haha, that sucks being taken off guard like that and being tongue-tied.
First, she took a big "risk" and you've got to take a big "risk" back. Like say, "Heeeyyy Girl!" Like you already KNOW her. And then give her a BIG HUG.
PULL HER IN, and WHISPER sexy into her ear. "God, you turn me on..."
And keep in mind this advice,
Being
Being ‘Liked’ By Girls Doesn’t Get You Laid!… And Why Guys Fail In Dating
November 9th, 2010 by Jesse Charger
99% of guys come into pickup from the frame: “I want to be LIKED by girls.”
What they do is they putter around for YEARS being a “nice guy” trying to be liked by girls.
Yes, they learn theory, tricks, and tactics, but ultimately they remain “nice guys”.
……..They don’t interrupt conversations at the bar and take them over.
……..They don’t approach because they think the girl might have a boyfriend and they don’t want to get in the way.
……..They don’t look girl’s body up and down and get their creep on because they want to be a “gentleman”.
……..They don’t pull the girl in and grab her ass to get their faces slapped.
……..They use routines to say “the right things” to make the girl laugh, but not offend her or challenge her.
When you want to get better with girls, it’s quite an understandable impulse to want to be “Liked”.
But you know the best way to be LIKED by everyone? Kiss ass. Supplicate. Make your voice quiet and accommodating. Don’t take up space. Be helpful. Say funny things to make the girls laugh. Tell people what you think they want to hear. Mold your opinions to theirs. And NEVER show your sexual intentions lest you creep someone out.
That’s exactly how you get LIKED by everyone. But it doesn’t get you LAID.
If you want to get LAID, you have to let go of being liked all the time and start getting in people’s faces and start stepping on toes.
To get laid, you’re going to need to become an I-come-first, troublemaking Rake to overturn the natural order, with a smile.
That means leering at girls and openly undressing her with your eyes as you talk to them.
That means telling girls upfront that they’re hot, even if the guy standing next to her could be her boyfriend.
That means loudly interrupting a group at a bar and taking over the conversation.
That means pushing yourself on an interested girl, even is her cock-blocking friends are screaming at you and giving you the finger.
Game and pickup and having sexual abundance is NOT about being liked. It’s about making girls wet between the legs because of your reckless persistence and unapologetic sexuality, even if that means pissing off half the people on the planet.
If you’re in this to be LIKED you’re in the wrong field of study.
If you’re relying on routines to be LIKED by the girls, you’re coming from a bad place.
If you’re opening timidly and hiding your intentions to ensure that you’re LIKED, you’re going to fail.
And MOST guys who come into this game will learn a little theory and then putter around for YEARS… and YEARS… trying to make girls LIKE them.
And they NEVER get over their approach anxiety. Because that need to be liked is *THE* source of your approach anxiety.
Only when you decide to drop all the “I hope this make her like me” phony, not-you gimmicks and instead begin to openly and unapologetically get your CREEP ON with girls, only then will the approach anxiety fall away and girls begin REACTING to you as a sexual caveman and Rake who goes for what he wants.
Reckless Game teaches you just that, to Recklessly take action, to Recklessly persist, and to Recklessly express your core desires as a man, regardless of being “liked”.
So remember, this is not about being LIKED, this is about getting LAID and keep in mind the difference.
Leave a comment below and let me know your experience!
~ Jesse
Wednesday, December 15, 2010
FR:Girl lonely at a bar at 3am and I get AMOGd by chodes
Hello Sandros,
First of all get rid of negative frames like "failed seduction" they stuff your mind with emotions which impair your game.
There is no failure: only feedback.
let´s examine the feedback we can get from this case:
papa sandros wrote:
This FR is very very RAW I worte it out of bein a littel upset and tipsy...and its unedited.
>then she said she was looking for the bartender that told >her that he wanted to fuck her in a direct way....She siad >guys being direct turned her on.....I was like that sounds >cool but he isnt here tonight ...
This can mean two things:
1. She is telling you how to seduce her = she wants you to be a direct mother fucker in order to have her agree to have sex with you.
or ( this is more likely to be true)
2. She is a cock teaser..
The strategy is different depending on which one of the two.
>she said she wasnt happy and unemployed.
>I DIDNT KNOW HOW TO RESPOND WO COMING OFF TOO >SUBSERVIANT and TURN IT INTO A POSITIVE THING
When a girl gives you a too over sexual clue stop talking about anything connected with sex. If she is a cock teaser she will use that to betaise you.
Instead work on the principle: "Don´t explicate, demonstrate"
I would comment to this like
"Oh nice to hear that the guy wants you to have a great time"
And then I would stop any discussion connected with sex and focus on isolating her.
The asshole part of me I would put out when we are in isolation.
>so I just said" Im student now so its kidah hard on myself >too ,just waiting to finish"
>as I went into asking if she read cosmo to transition to >transition into sex talk she says NO! and she is more of GQ >girl and grew up with liking guys stuff... I DIDNT KNOW >HOW TO RECOVER !
She is telling you she is a masculine girl, maybe Daddy´s daughter.
This is the kind of girl who likes to be taken by a muscular gym teacher who teaches her how to pump iron and then fucks her.
If... she is not cock teasing you.. see there are Freak girls around who enjoy getting the guys to the edge of their sexual desire and then.. disappear.
>I said Im going to restroom be back and she said she go out >for a smoke..
>I came back and chodes were surrounding her.. CHODE >LEERING and PEERING
Giving her the attention she was craving for when she went to the bar. Notice: I said attention, not sex.
>I intro myself and they left play pool...for now ...but they >keep looking over in spectator mode.
>since I noticed her IOI another guy chode amogs
>to spike her BT I took out my fake 80's DG sunglasses and >put it on her
>and seed the timebridge with friend and afterhours,
>"I want you to come with me it will be fun", she said no I >cant I live nearby and I m just hanging out ..... ( yeah >hanging out at 3am
>what are you talking about?!)
Ok you could have said: "I am sure you have a nice kitchen. Let´s go to have a look at your kitchen" See the only way to f.close her is to have her away from the place she gets attention.. if she refuses isolation in spite of a very self-confident approach from you that means she will be there all the night fishing for attention and "maybe" go for the sex .. or go home alone.
>THE AMOG SCENE : then I fluff talk but she kept looking >around and "whsperer amog" comes to side he doesnt know >her, whisperes in her ear she looks at me and she laughs >and looks at him...
Well she is playing the field for attention. See, remember this: for women and especially of the Freak type attention is far more important than sex.
You need to remember on what she focuses in her game..
>I then interupt and introduce myslef ..he doesnt comply >and walks off but keeps looking at her while he is playing >darts ...
>I start preping and SOI, she then starts feeling tension from >getting all female attention from the venue and she keeps >looking at pool table and darts side while Im talking to her...
>I then say " HEY! look at me Im talking to you! HELLO!" kind >of in a dominant way ( NOT SURE ITF THIS IS OK OR FUCK >UP)
>she says like "yes" she looks right at me ...I go into story on >female sex or natural women patter type improv I was doing >and
>I told her to "OK, lets go gt out of here"
>she was like " Im staying here sorry Im not thet type of girl"
See: fishing for attention. She is the same girl who told you that the bartender told he wants to fuck her and that she likes direct men.
So: she is cock teasing you. Using the sex hook to get attention..
>I was like " Shut up! shut up right now! I think your are >cute and want to be with you"
>whisperer taps on her shoulder to come play darts ...
>keeps whisperering again and I say "dude whats up man! " in >a pissed way a little but subcommunication of wtf are you >doing?!
>he wonders off but keeps looking...
>she looks at me hard eye contact like sexual tension >building but says
>" last time I had a one night stand I ended up in a >relationship , Im just going to play darts and pool with the >boys"
Ok she wants to make sure that if she has sex you will not become the jealous possessive boy who stalks her..
amoggs came to check in and say "is everything alright?" I said yes and she just looked and he left but kept leering...
>I said " Do you want to come with me? I really like to fuck >you in the ass" and smiled with a smirk ala benicio del toro >in traffic
>she stared at me for congruence test and said
>"I'd really like that ...but Im not going to do that "
Ok she told you plain that she is enjoying the teasing game she is doing in the bar and the attention of the boys and having fun cock teasing guys.
Next time a girl tries to cock tease you with sex what you have to do is to shift the game to something boring and neutral like financial news and politics and then escalate on her with your kino without saying a word about sex.
She asks: "What you are doing?" when you touch her hand
You say: "I think next year the financial forecast is getting better" and put your hand on her ass..
If you do not verbalize SEX or anything else she will be forced to submit to kino of push you away which will ruin her need for communication and need for cock teasing you..
>" So, Im going to go play pool now.."
>I was like " You are soo full of shit ; ) " and I left...kindah >of upset and yet didnt pull....
Now nice to be cock teased.. next time you will be better with cock teasers.
Jesse comments:
[QUOTE=Jesse Charger;4747]Cool, she's giving you tips how to get her.
Just ignore it. don't react.
You handled this okay. Just ignore him.
Breaking rapport tonality? Loud? That's the way to go.
Have you touched her yet? You should be touching her in some way pretty quickly into the interaction.
If you're going to give compliments late in the interaction, they should be either
a) hard core outrageous pimp talk. "Listen, I want to put my babies all up inside you"
OR
b) push pull. "Listen, I want to be with you. wait, what are you doing to me, you're putting me under some sort of spell... keep away from me... no wait... I love you"
Cool.
She likes you, but it's not such hard attraction that she's chasing you down. You need more touching, push pull compliments...
Damn, this guy is annoying me too.
Pimp talk. Great. But you need physical contact with it.
You did pretty well overall.... what about physical contact? Pure verbal game is difficult to get hard attraction with a girl.[/QUOTE]
First of all get rid of negative frames like "failed seduction" they stuff your mind with emotions which impair your game.
There is no failure: only feedback.
let´s examine the feedback we can get from this case:
papa sandros wrote:
This FR is very very RAW I worte it out of bein a littel upset and tipsy...and its unedited.
>then she said she was looking for the bartender that told >her that he wanted to fuck her in a direct way....She siad >guys being direct turned her on.....I was like that sounds >cool but he isnt here tonight ...
This can mean two things:
1. She is telling you how to seduce her = she wants you to be a direct mother fucker in order to have her agree to have sex with you.
or ( this is more likely to be true)
2. She is a cock teaser..
The strategy is different depending on which one of the two.
>she said she wasnt happy and unemployed.
>I DIDNT KNOW HOW TO RESPOND WO COMING OFF TOO >SUBSERVIANT and TURN IT INTO A POSITIVE THING
When a girl gives you a too over sexual clue stop talking about anything connected with sex. If she is a cock teaser she will use that to betaise you.
Instead work on the principle: "Don´t explicate, demonstrate"
I would comment to this like
"Oh nice to hear that the guy wants you to have a great time"
And then I would stop any discussion connected with sex and focus on isolating her.
The asshole part of me I would put out when we are in isolation.
>so I just said" Im student now so its kidah hard on myself >too ,just waiting to finish"
>as I went into asking if she read cosmo to transition to >transition into sex talk she says NO! and she is more of GQ >girl and grew up with liking guys stuff... I DIDNT KNOW >HOW TO RECOVER !
She is telling you she is a masculine girl, maybe Daddy´s daughter.
This is the kind of girl who likes to be taken by a muscular gym teacher who teaches her how to pump iron and then fucks her.
If... she is not cock teasing you.. see there are Freak girls around who enjoy getting the guys to the edge of their sexual desire and then.. disappear.
>I said Im going to restroom be back and she said she go out >for a smoke..
>I came back and chodes were surrounding her.. CHODE >LEERING and PEERING
Giving her the attention she was craving for when she went to the bar. Notice: I said attention, not sex.
>I intro myself and they left play pool...for now ...but they >keep looking over in spectator mode.
>since I noticed her IOI another guy chode amogs
>to spike her BT I took out my fake 80's DG sunglasses and >put it on her
>and seed the timebridge with friend and afterhours,
>"I want you to come with me it will be fun", she said no I >cant I live nearby and I m just hanging out ..... ( yeah >hanging out at 3am
>what are you talking about?!)
Ok you could have said: "I am sure you have a nice kitchen. Let´s go to have a look at your kitchen" See the only way to f.close her is to have her away from the place she gets attention.. if she refuses isolation in spite of a very self-confident approach from you that means she will be there all the night fishing for attention and "maybe" go for the sex .. or go home alone.
>THE AMOG SCENE : then I fluff talk but she kept looking >around and "whsperer amog" comes to side he doesnt know >her, whisperes in her ear she looks at me and she laughs >and looks at him...
Well she is playing the field for attention. See, remember this: for women and especially of the Freak type attention is far more important than sex.
You need to remember on what she focuses in her game..
>I then interupt and introduce myslef ..he doesnt comply >and walks off but keeps looking at her while he is playing >darts ...
>I start preping and SOI, she then starts feeling tension from >getting all female attention from the venue and she keeps >looking at pool table and darts side while Im talking to her...
>I then say " HEY! look at me Im talking to you! HELLO!" kind >of in a dominant way ( NOT SURE ITF THIS IS OK OR FUCK >UP)
>she says like "yes" she looks right at me ...I go into story on >female sex or natural women patter type improv I was doing >and
>I told her to "OK, lets go gt out of here"
>she was like " Im staying here sorry Im not thet type of girl"
See: fishing for attention. She is the same girl who told you that the bartender told he wants to fuck her and that she likes direct men.
So: she is cock teasing you. Using the sex hook to get attention..
>I was like " Shut up! shut up right now! I think your are >cute and want to be with you"
>whisperer taps on her shoulder to come play darts ...
>keeps whisperering again and I say "dude whats up man! " in >a pissed way a little but subcommunication of wtf are you >doing?!
>he wonders off but keeps looking...
>she looks at me hard eye contact like sexual tension >building but says
>" last time I had a one night stand I ended up in a >relationship , Im just going to play darts and pool with the >boys"
Ok she wants to make sure that if she has sex you will not become the jealous possessive boy who stalks her..
amoggs came to check in and say "is everything alright?" I said yes and she just looked and he left but kept leering...
>I said " Do you want to come with me? I really like to fuck >you in the ass" and smiled with a smirk ala benicio del toro >in traffic
>she stared at me for congruence test and said
>"I'd really like that ...but Im not going to do that "
Ok she told you plain that she is enjoying the teasing game she is doing in the bar and the attention of the boys and having fun cock teasing guys.
Next time a girl tries to cock tease you with sex what you have to do is to shift the game to something boring and neutral like financial news and politics and then escalate on her with your kino without saying a word about sex.
She asks: "What you are doing?" when you touch her hand
You say: "I think next year the financial forecast is getting better" and put your hand on her ass..
If you do not verbalize SEX or anything else she will be forced to submit to kino of push you away which will ruin her need for communication and need for cock teasing you..
>" So, Im going to go play pool now.."
>I was like " You are soo full of shit ; ) " and I left...kindah >of upset and yet didnt pull....
Now nice to be cock teased.. next time you will be better with cock teasers.
Jesse comments:
[QUOTE=Jesse Charger;4747]Cool, she's giving you tips how to get her.
Just ignore it. don't react.
You handled this okay. Just ignore him.
Breaking rapport tonality? Loud? That's the way to go.
Have you touched her yet? You should be touching her in some way pretty quickly into the interaction.
If you're going to give compliments late in the interaction, they should be either
a) hard core outrageous pimp talk. "Listen, I want to put my babies all up inside you"
OR
b) push pull. "Listen, I want to be with you. wait, what are you doing to me, you're putting me under some sort of spell... keep away from me... no wait... I love you"
Cool.
She likes you, but it's not such hard attraction that she's chasing you down. You need more touching, push pull compliments...
Damn, this guy is annoying me too.
Pimp talk. Great. But you need physical contact with it.
You did pretty well overall.... what about physical contact? Pure verbal game is difficult to get hard attraction with a girl.[/QUOTE]
Why she makes out with you at the CLUB and then drops you by Franco
Club game is a totally different perspective.
All what is true in other types of games becomes wilder and pretty much different in club game.
Guys project their horniness into the girls and believe that the girls will behave like guys; try to get laid as their main goal.
Well that is true: women like sex as much as guys and want to get laid as much as the guys do.
Anyway, there are some very important differences between guys and girls in matters of priorities in the sexual area.
If you have been making out with a girl in the club and then wondering why she suddenly left without having sex with you well the reason is exactly in those differences between girls and boys in matters of priorities.
Guys are very much puzzled and irritated when she makes out with them and then leaves.
They do not understand the meaning of this apparently “illogical” behavior.
Well there is a very important logic in this kind of female behavior: a female´s main sexual goal is not to get laid.
A female´s main sexual goal is to get social power by building as many social links as possible and then controlling them at need.
This is the main sexual end goal of the woman.
Only after she has done that she can get to her second priority: getting laid.
Having sex is her second end goal after she is sure that she has succeeded in building as many social links as possible.
A female labeled as a “slut” by other women is a rare woman who does not follow this law: first the screening, then the sex.
A big part of this behavior is to have as many males as possible get into the sub-servient attitude towards her so that she can gain social power over them.
When you wonder why she makes out with you and then leaves you are missing to detect an important law of evolution at work: she is screening men in the same way she does in other venues it´s only that she does it with much faster and much tougher means.
This touching you, making out with you has a totally different meaning in the club compared to the meaning it would have if it would happen on the streets or – maybe – while you watch a movie with her in a movie theater.
In those cases touching you, making out with you would be a strong indicator of her wanting sex with you especially if there are no other girls around and you are not in a social group.
In those situations she would have no competition as there are no other girls around. You would have no competition around as well: there would be no other guys around.
In the club the situation is totally different she knows very well that there is strong female competition. She also knows that the guys are dying of the desire of having sex with the girls as soon as possible.
So she needs to hook guys who try to seduce her very fast in order to win female competition and have as many males as possible investing their energy into her before she can start screening them.
50 years ago the hook would have been uncovering little bit her leg or holding eye contact little bit longer with some guy.
Nowadays such nice hooks would not work anymore as the clubs and the cities are otherwise full of girls who are having free minded sex with the guys left and right.
No guy pays anymore so much attention to a naked ass or a girl holding eye contact longer with him.
Also, there are so many nice guys around that many guys really do not have the courage to approach on the streets and go to clubs with the hope of getting laid.
In the club environment her main goal is to firstly gain social power by multiplying her social links and the number of guys who supplicate to her.
She does that to have the time to continue her screening and win her female competition.
Without the hook she would have nothing to screen for. There is always the “slut” next to her who has the guys get laid “for free.”
Actually one single “slut” is a really dangerous competition for the average girls. She is little bit like a guy: she can give sexual satisfaction and get laid with many, many guys during a week.
It really puts in danger other women by keeping them from getting out of the guys more than the sex.
So what she does?
She uses a stronger hook: heavy make out with you just to drop you when you escalate to have her into sex.
By making out with you she gains a huge advantage on the other girls: she has you hooked so that you forget the other girls and invest your energy mainly into her.
You focus your attention on her and get betaised while she makes out with you and at the same time controls her own horniness by drinking alcohol and by chatting with the other girls in the bathroom.
Yes, alcohol is very often used by girls in order to control horniness: alcohol rises endorphins and dopamine the hormones of the pleasure and can help a girl getting out of club while being terribly horny without having sex with a single guy!
For this reason I never sarge a girl who is heavily drunk. It becomes to easy for her to control her own horniness.
Same goes about talking a lot. A female Californian psychiatrist has demonstrated that females get from talking the same pleasure they get from orgasms.
Girls use chatting with other girls as a way to control their own emotions. The girlfriend who is her “cock block” has the same meaning: she is helping the target to control her own emotions when she is close to get horny.
The bathroom is in clubs for females the “female horniness control room.”
Have you ever been in clubs in a situation where she makes out with you and then says: “I go to pee” and when she comes back she has changed and begins to find all the kind of excuses to drop you?
Well if you have been there you know what I am talking about. She is doing that to control her own horniness in order to have the time to evaluate you and plan the evaluation of the other guys in the club.
Evaluating guys, screening them is dictated by the deep instincts of evolution: they tell her to screen for the stronger male and at the same time for a male who can be manipulated into investing his energy into her.
She does that under her instinct of protecting herself and the offspring which would potentially derive from your sexual contact with her
I can hear you: you object that modern girls do not need men to take care of the offspring and that they can live on social security.
That is true and the need to hook you for sex and then drop you to repeat the cycle with other males only demonstrates how much they are under the influence of those instinct in spite of not needing them anymore.
Screening is vital for a female survival. Making out with you and then dropping you gives her the time to screen males and build social links.
It´s an instinct: it protects her and her potential offspring and it is compelling to her.
Now that I have shared with you this we can approach the topic of what you need to do in practice in the club to have success.
These are these main strategies
- If your style is to go heavily sexual and escalate on any girl then what you have to do is to escalate fare more than what she does. This is an important calibration: you need to understand quickly how much is for her “too much” and push her over that border. For example if she touches your hand then you go more sexual than her and touch her ass. If she kisses you then you go more sexual than her and put your hand into her jeans. This will have her discover her cards very fast and if she was trying to hook you in order to build social links and have you supplicate then this will either force her to submit to you sexually or she will blow herself out so that you can go on chatting with other girls. In this particular situation if she says: “I go to the bathroom” or gives any kind of explanations simply go to chat to the next girl in front of her eyes and forget her instantly because she does that in order to control herself. Same thing if she stops you when you escalate more.
- Another way of gaming girls in the club is blocking them in their need of building social links and having you supplicate. In this other way you only give “minor sexual clues” but push her away regularly any time she is close to making out with you. For example you might smile and wink at her but when she comes closer you move your body language away from her. Maybe you neg her. Maybe you tease and do some push-pull. In this other way of gaming girls in clubs you do two things 1. Push her away when she tries to hook you sexually 2. Tend to have her into isolation. Isolation in this case is not a dark side of the club. If you make out with her in a dark side of the club you are basically doing her game. Your goal is to have her get out of the club alone with you and then you start the escalation when the two of you are alone.
- Gaming the group is another way. For example this is a wonderful way if you go clubbing with your best friends. You need to get the charge over the smaller groups which form themselves automatically in the realm of the chaotic situation in the club itself. People of 3-4 or more get together for example close to the bar and you game the group by being “cool” to all the members and totally ignore the girl you want. When she sees that you are the coolest in the group – the leader of the group – you are basically sexually pre-selected and when you push her away she will wonder “who is this guy who is not being an idiot like all the other guys and all the people like him? I want to find out.”
- Using a Pivot. If you have a good female friend who knows that you are a playboy and is complacent towards your adventures go clubbing with her. If you do MLTRs (Multiple Long-Term Relationships) then the girls you are in a relationship usually know about your playboy hobby: go clubbing with her but make sure that she can control her own jealousy. Doing the club game with a Pivot is one of the most powerful ways for having success. In a way you are pre-selected and game the girls while having the Pivot with you being your “girlfriend.” The instinct of the competition will force the target to invest attention in you as it is in women hard wired to want men who are wanted by other women.
- Wingman: if you are with your wingman for all the time of your club gaming have fun with him. While you have fun with him never, never show that your attention is more invested into the girls compared to the attention you give to your wingman. Use peripheral vision to spot your targets. You need to look like two quality guys who are having fun and totally detached from the surroundings. While you have fun with the wing do small approaches by turning your neck on one side but never, never face the girl. If you get compliance than you can face her. Anytime she is resisting you ditch her and pay more attention to your wing.
In order to apply properly the above methods you need to have a broad knowledge of how the mechanisms of evolution affect female sexual desire and that you can find in my Manual of Seduction for Husbands, Single Men and Playboys.
All what is true in other types of games becomes wilder and pretty much different in club game.
Guys project their horniness into the girls and believe that the girls will behave like guys; try to get laid as their main goal.
Well that is true: women like sex as much as guys and want to get laid as much as the guys do.
Anyway, there are some very important differences between guys and girls in matters of priorities in the sexual area.
If you have been making out with a girl in the club and then wondering why she suddenly left without having sex with you well the reason is exactly in those differences between girls and boys in matters of priorities.
Guys are very much puzzled and irritated when she makes out with them and then leaves.
They do not understand the meaning of this apparently “illogical” behavior.
Well there is a very important logic in this kind of female behavior: a female´s main sexual goal is not to get laid.
A female´s main sexual goal is to get social power by building as many social links as possible and then controlling them at need.
This is the main sexual end goal of the woman.
Only after she has done that she can get to her second priority: getting laid.
Having sex is her second end goal after she is sure that she has succeeded in building as many social links as possible.
A female labeled as a “slut” by other women is a rare woman who does not follow this law: first the screening, then the sex.
A big part of this behavior is to have as many males as possible get into the sub-servient attitude towards her so that she can gain social power over them.
When you wonder why she makes out with you and then leaves you are missing to detect an important law of evolution at work: she is screening men in the same way she does in other venues it´s only that she does it with much faster and much tougher means.
This touching you, making out with you has a totally different meaning in the club compared to the meaning it would have if it would happen on the streets or – maybe – while you watch a movie with her in a movie theater.
In those cases touching you, making out with you would be a strong indicator of her wanting sex with you especially if there are no other girls around and you are not in a social group.
In those situations she would have no competition as there are no other girls around. You would have no competition around as well: there would be no other guys around.
In the club the situation is totally different she knows very well that there is strong female competition. She also knows that the guys are dying of the desire of having sex with the girls as soon as possible.
So she needs to hook guys who try to seduce her very fast in order to win female competition and have as many males as possible investing their energy into her before she can start screening them.
50 years ago the hook would have been uncovering little bit her leg or holding eye contact little bit longer with some guy.
Nowadays such nice hooks would not work anymore as the clubs and the cities are otherwise full of girls who are having free minded sex with the guys left and right.
No guy pays anymore so much attention to a naked ass or a girl holding eye contact longer with him.
Also, there are so many nice guys around that many guys really do not have the courage to approach on the streets and go to clubs with the hope of getting laid.
In the club environment her main goal is to firstly gain social power by multiplying her social links and the number of guys who supplicate to her.
She does that to have the time to continue her screening and win her female competition.
Without the hook she would have nothing to screen for. There is always the “slut” next to her who has the guys get laid “for free.”
Actually one single “slut” is a really dangerous competition for the average girls. She is little bit like a guy: she can give sexual satisfaction and get laid with many, many guys during a week.
It really puts in danger other women by keeping them from getting out of the guys more than the sex.
So what she does?
She uses a stronger hook: heavy make out with you just to drop you when you escalate to have her into sex.
By making out with you she gains a huge advantage on the other girls: she has you hooked so that you forget the other girls and invest your energy mainly into her.
You focus your attention on her and get betaised while she makes out with you and at the same time controls her own horniness by drinking alcohol and by chatting with the other girls in the bathroom.
Yes, alcohol is very often used by girls in order to control horniness: alcohol rises endorphins and dopamine the hormones of the pleasure and can help a girl getting out of club while being terribly horny without having sex with a single guy!
For this reason I never sarge a girl who is heavily drunk. It becomes to easy for her to control her own horniness.
Same goes about talking a lot. A female Californian psychiatrist has demonstrated that females get from talking the same pleasure they get from orgasms.
Girls use chatting with other girls as a way to control their own emotions. The girlfriend who is her “cock block” has the same meaning: she is helping the target to control her own emotions when she is close to get horny.
The bathroom is in clubs for females the “female horniness control room.”
Have you ever been in clubs in a situation where she makes out with you and then says: “I go to pee” and when she comes back she has changed and begins to find all the kind of excuses to drop you?
Well if you have been there you know what I am talking about. She is doing that to control her own horniness in order to have the time to evaluate you and plan the evaluation of the other guys in the club.
Evaluating guys, screening them is dictated by the deep instincts of evolution: they tell her to screen for the stronger male and at the same time for a male who can be manipulated into investing his energy into her.
She does that under her instinct of protecting herself and the offspring which would potentially derive from your sexual contact with her
I can hear you: you object that modern girls do not need men to take care of the offspring and that they can live on social security.
That is true and the need to hook you for sex and then drop you to repeat the cycle with other males only demonstrates how much they are under the influence of those instinct in spite of not needing them anymore.
Screening is vital for a female survival. Making out with you and then dropping you gives her the time to screen males and build social links.
It´s an instinct: it protects her and her potential offspring and it is compelling to her.
Now that I have shared with you this we can approach the topic of what you need to do in practice in the club to have success.
These are these main strategies
- If your style is to go heavily sexual and escalate on any girl then what you have to do is to escalate fare more than what she does. This is an important calibration: you need to understand quickly how much is for her “too much” and push her over that border. For example if she touches your hand then you go more sexual than her and touch her ass. If she kisses you then you go more sexual than her and put your hand into her jeans. This will have her discover her cards very fast and if she was trying to hook you in order to build social links and have you supplicate then this will either force her to submit to you sexually or she will blow herself out so that you can go on chatting with other girls. In this particular situation if she says: “I go to the bathroom” or gives any kind of explanations simply go to chat to the next girl in front of her eyes and forget her instantly because she does that in order to control herself. Same thing if she stops you when you escalate more.
- Another way of gaming girls in the club is blocking them in their need of building social links and having you supplicate. In this other way you only give “minor sexual clues” but push her away regularly any time she is close to making out with you. For example you might smile and wink at her but when she comes closer you move your body language away from her. Maybe you neg her. Maybe you tease and do some push-pull. In this other way of gaming girls in clubs you do two things 1. Push her away when she tries to hook you sexually 2. Tend to have her into isolation. Isolation in this case is not a dark side of the club. If you make out with her in a dark side of the club you are basically doing her game. Your goal is to have her get out of the club alone with you and then you start the escalation when the two of you are alone.
- Gaming the group is another way. For example this is a wonderful way if you go clubbing with your best friends. You need to get the charge over the smaller groups which form themselves automatically in the realm of the chaotic situation in the club itself. People of 3-4 or more get together for example close to the bar and you game the group by being “cool” to all the members and totally ignore the girl you want. When she sees that you are the coolest in the group – the leader of the group – you are basically sexually pre-selected and when you push her away she will wonder “who is this guy who is not being an idiot like all the other guys and all the people like him? I want to find out.”
- Using a Pivot. If you have a good female friend who knows that you are a playboy and is complacent towards your adventures go clubbing with her. If you do MLTRs (Multiple Long-Term Relationships) then the girls you are in a relationship usually know about your playboy hobby: go clubbing with her but make sure that she can control her own jealousy. Doing the club game with a Pivot is one of the most powerful ways for having success. In a way you are pre-selected and game the girls while having the Pivot with you being your “girlfriend.” The instinct of the competition will force the target to invest attention in you as it is in women hard wired to want men who are wanted by other women.
- Wingman: if you are with your wingman for all the time of your club gaming have fun with him. While you have fun with him never, never show that your attention is more invested into the girls compared to the attention you give to your wingman. Use peripheral vision to spot your targets. You need to look like two quality guys who are having fun and totally detached from the surroundings. While you have fun with the wing do small approaches by turning your neck on one side but never, never face the girl. If you get compliance than you can face her. Anytime she is resisting you ditch her and pay more attention to your wing.
In order to apply properly the above methods you need to have a broad knowledge of how the mechanisms of evolution affect female sexual desire and that you can find in my Manual of Seduction for Husbands, Single Men and Playboys.
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