I’ve been posting tons of theory and pontificating about relationships, love, life and all that fucking faggy shit a lot lately. It’s been a while since I posted any in-field shit with practical applications so I thought I’d change things up today. I had an exchange with a girl last night that I liked a lot, so I though I’d share it.
It’s pretty straight forward attraction game althought condensed very tightly and done quickly (two to three techniques are crammed into one sentence at times). Almost every student I have has trouble generating attraction or creating dynamic conversation on the spot — so here’s a good recent example of mine.
(As usual, Doc and I were making fun of Saffron for being Asian near the bar; girl walks up on the other side of me to order a drink)
Me: “Don’t mind us, we’re just making fun of Asian people.”
HB: “What?”
Me: “I said, don’t mind us, we’re just being racist.”
HB: “Oh, OK.” *blank stare*
Me: “You didn’t hear me?”
HB: “No, sorry.”
Me: “It’s OK, if I repeated again, it wouldn’t be funny. So just laugh and pretend you heard me the first time.”
HB: *blank stare* “OK.”
Me: “You’re not laughing. I guess you can’t hear anything.”
HB: “No, I heard you.”
Me: “What?”
HB: *leans in* “I said I heard you.”
Me: “What?!?”
HB: *leans right next to me* “I said I heard you!”
Me: “WHAT?!?!?!?” *smiles*
HB: *finally catches on and laughs* “Hi, I’m X”
Me: “Look X. We obviously have some serious communication problems, so I’m sorry, but it’s over.” *slightly pushes her away* “It’s not you. It’s me.”
HB: *laughs* “Oh no! Don’t break my heart.”
Me: “Look. Keep my fucking T-Shirts, but I want my CD’s back.”
HB: “Fine. I’m deleting your number out of my phone.”
Me: “Good. Oh, and Dave and Cindy… they were my friends first, so don’t even TRY to hang out with them.” *push her away slightly again*
HB: *laughs; falls back into me; kino* “But things were so good. Can’t they be that way again?”
Me: “No… You had your chance, X. You never loved me for me. I was just a piece of meat to you.”
HB: *laughs*
AMOG: *comes over and hands HB a drink* “Who is this?”
Me: “Hey, I’m Entropy.” *Shake hands* “HB and I dated for about 30 seconds, but we just broke up.”
HB: “Yeah, he’s my ex now.”
AMOG: “Wow, what about me?” (Seriously guys, people worry about other guys in set — look at this, he just blew himself out. I didn’t even have to do anything.)
HB: “Oh… uhh… You’re still in the picture.”
Me: *Puts hand on AMOG’s shoulder* “Dude… I got one word for you… overrated.”
HB: “laughs; slightly shocked”
AMOG: “Oh dude, he just dissed you.”
Me: “Don’t get me wrong… she just makes up for it in… other ways.” (Framing her sexually)
HB: *Laughs* “Oohh…”
AMOG: *silent*
Me: “So how do you guys know each other?”
So it turned out that he was her boyfriend, although I’m utterly convinced I could have stolen her away if I kept at it — especially if Doc had still been around to occupy him. But either way, BF destroying’s not really my thing. I got punched in the face once for doing it, and there were 20 other girls at the bar, so why bother?
Either way, this is just an example of high-caliber attraction game — I teased her, role-played with her, framed us as a couple, then framed her sexually and AMOG’d the dude all within about two minutes of conversation. All of these things should be worked on independently and then synthesized into each set you run.
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Monday, June 14, 2010
Mailbag: Text Game and Teasing
Back with another mailbag. A few typical game questions that are pretty common. I’ll be busy coaching all weekend, but check this blog on Monday as there’s going to be some HUGE changes — like, fucking everything’s about to change. I’m really excited.
As always, ask me anything in the comments, or through email at entropy@practicalpickup.com.
Could you write about text message game sometime, Entropy? Like if a girl you’re into texts you a lot, whether its worth replying as much as she’s texting you, and when its a good idea to text or call after getting a number? I’d like to see your thoughts on it. Excellent blog, thanks for your thoughts!
- Tyler
Guys are usually disappointed when I tell them my text/phone game, as it’s painfully simple. For one, I hate phones, but also I really believe in just doing the bare minimum to get her out with you again.
First, to answer your questions: the general rule is you can reply up to as much as she’s texting you. If she’s texting you a lot, it’s always preferable for her to be texting more than you.
Secondly, I call the next day. If not, the day after. In conventional wisdom, there’s been a “three-day rule” which is complete and utter bullshit (if you haven’t heard of it, it’s the “rule” that you HAVE to wait three days to call a girl after you get her number.) I can’t tell you how many girls I’ve talked to who not only know that guys do this, but it drives them crazy. If you like her, call her. If she likes you, she’ll be wanting you to call her.
That said, most of my philosophy on phone/text game is that it’s really just to facilitate meeting up. If you gamed her well enough when you met her, almost anything you do should be fine as long as you’re direct and don’t play games. If she didn’t like you that much when she met you, she’s probably going to flake no matter what.
So, I guess here’s a crash course in how I run follow-up game:
- Text either later that day/night or the next day. Just say something cute followed with, “Nice meeting you.” This is nothing more than a ping for a response. If she responds, you know she’s interested. If she doesn’t, you know she’s probably a flake.
- If I REALLY like the girl, I’ll call her the next day. Most girls I call the day after, after I’ve texted back and forth with her some. Again, I really believe that guys lose a lot of girls to flakes because they sit around and wait to call them. You want to maintain communication with her and keep you fresh in her mind. Again, if she likes you, calling her so soon won’t matter, and if she doesn’t, it STILL won’t matter.
- Since I hate phone calls, I tend to do as much texting as possible first. If I can get her into some consistent text conversations, often I’ll just set up the date through text. If not, then I’ll call her within 48 hours.
I also schedule dates ASAP (another newbie mistake every guy makes). If I meet a girl on a Tuesday, I call on Thursday and set up a date for Saturday. If I meet a girl on Friday, I call on Sunday and set up a date for Monday. Etc.
This method — I guess you could call it the “no bullshit” method — doesn’t decrease flakes, what it does is get all the flakes out of the way as soon as possible. I used to waste way too much time texting and calling girls for 2-3 weeks and not be able to get a date with them. This way, I’m basically telling them to put up or shut up, I don’t have time to play phone tag, to play scheduling games, or to wait around and pretend I’m less interested than I am. If she doesn’t like me, I’d rather her flake ASAP to spare me the inconvenience.
If I’m going out regularly, I’ll be getting 5-10 phone numbers a week anyway, so losing half of them to flakes is no big deal.
As for flakes, I’ll try them 2-3 times and give up. Again, I see no point in trying to win over a girl who’s not interested when I can just go open another set. There are guys who will call and try for weeks or even a month or two, and yes, there are ways to revive dead numbers months later. But I never really cared enough to try.
Could you touch on how you perfected the art of teasing / cocky funny? This is something I have trouble pulling off, though I see it works really really well during night game.
Thanks man,
- TR
Teasing requires three things:
1. It’s funny.
2. It makes fun of her.
3. It’s playful.
If you’re not funny, then take a comedy class or two. If you’re not making fun of her (she’s not giving you an emotional response), try being more of a dick. If you’re not being playful, you need to lighten up and have more fun.
Teasing and bantering is a massive amount of trial and error. The best advice I can give you is to try and go overboard — i.e., be as shocking and ridiculous as possible. You’ll end up offending a lot of girls, but then you can slowly calibrate it back and find the sweet spot. 90% of guys are too nice and not playful enough with their teases. So I feel like if you overcompensate first, not only do you become aware of everything you can get away with, you’ll get a good feel for where you need to be.
Just don’t complain to me when you get a drink thrown on you.
As always, ask me anything in the comments, or through email at entropy@practicalpickup.com.
Could you write about text message game sometime, Entropy? Like if a girl you’re into texts you a lot, whether its worth replying as much as she’s texting you, and when its a good idea to text or call after getting a number? I’d like to see your thoughts on it. Excellent blog, thanks for your thoughts!
- Tyler
Guys are usually disappointed when I tell them my text/phone game, as it’s painfully simple. For one, I hate phones, but also I really believe in just doing the bare minimum to get her out with you again.
First, to answer your questions: the general rule is you can reply up to as much as she’s texting you. If she’s texting you a lot, it’s always preferable for her to be texting more than you.
Secondly, I call the next day. If not, the day after. In conventional wisdom, there’s been a “three-day rule” which is complete and utter bullshit (if you haven’t heard of it, it’s the “rule” that you HAVE to wait three days to call a girl after you get her number.) I can’t tell you how many girls I’ve talked to who not only know that guys do this, but it drives them crazy. If you like her, call her. If she likes you, she’ll be wanting you to call her.
That said, most of my philosophy on phone/text game is that it’s really just to facilitate meeting up. If you gamed her well enough when you met her, almost anything you do should be fine as long as you’re direct and don’t play games. If she didn’t like you that much when she met you, she’s probably going to flake no matter what.
So, I guess here’s a crash course in how I run follow-up game:
- Text either later that day/night or the next day. Just say something cute followed with, “Nice meeting you.” This is nothing more than a ping for a response. If she responds, you know she’s interested. If she doesn’t, you know she’s probably a flake.
- If I REALLY like the girl, I’ll call her the next day. Most girls I call the day after, after I’ve texted back and forth with her some. Again, I really believe that guys lose a lot of girls to flakes because they sit around and wait to call them. You want to maintain communication with her and keep you fresh in her mind. Again, if she likes you, calling her so soon won’t matter, and if she doesn’t, it STILL won’t matter.
- Since I hate phone calls, I tend to do as much texting as possible first. If I can get her into some consistent text conversations, often I’ll just set up the date through text. If not, then I’ll call her within 48 hours.
I also schedule dates ASAP (another newbie mistake every guy makes). If I meet a girl on a Tuesday, I call on Thursday and set up a date for Saturday. If I meet a girl on Friday, I call on Sunday and set up a date for Monday. Etc.
This method — I guess you could call it the “no bullshit” method — doesn’t decrease flakes, what it does is get all the flakes out of the way as soon as possible. I used to waste way too much time texting and calling girls for 2-3 weeks and not be able to get a date with them. This way, I’m basically telling them to put up or shut up, I don’t have time to play phone tag, to play scheduling games, or to wait around and pretend I’m less interested than I am. If she doesn’t like me, I’d rather her flake ASAP to spare me the inconvenience.
If I’m going out regularly, I’ll be getting 5-10 phone numbers a week anyway, so losing half of them to flakes is no big deal.
As for flakes, I’ll try them 2-3 times and give up. Again, I see no point in trying to win over a girl who’s not interested when I can just go open another set. There are guys who will call and try for weeks or even a month or two, and yes, there are ways to revive dead numbers months later. But I never really cared enough to try.
Could you touch on how you perfected the art of teasing / cocky funny? This is something I have trouble pulling off, though I see it works really really well during night game.
Thanks man,
- TR
Teasing requires three things:
1. It’s funny.
2. It makes fun of her.
3. It’s playful.
If you’re not funny, then take a comedy class or two. If you’re not making fun of her (she’s not giving you an emotional response), try being more of a dick. If you’re not being playful, you need to lighten up and have more fun.
Teasing and bantering is a massive amount of trial and error. The best advice I can give you is to try and go overboard — i.e., be as shocking and ridiculous as possible. You’ll end up offending a lot of girls, but then you can slowly calibrate it back and find the sweet spot. 90% of guys are too nice and not playful enough with their teases. So I feel like if you overcompensate first, not only do you become aware of everything you can get away with, you’ll get a good feel for where you need to be.
Just don’t complain to me when you get a drink thrown on you.
Night Game Model Part 4 — Calibration
This is a long one, kids, but for good reason.
Calibration may be THE most important concept to understand when it comes to picking up women.
So if you’ve read parts 1 through 3 of the night game model, you basically now know: PART 1 :who and when to open,
PART 2: how to open and transition,
Part 3:how to cycle teasing and comfort stories.
Getting good at these things will enable you to open sets and hold them as long as necessary and build attraction. But there’s still a CRUCIALLY important concept that I need to go over: and that’s calibration.
Calibration is absolutely fundamental and for a simple reason as well: not every girl is the same. Some women like to be teased, some don’t. Some are looking for a guy, some aren’t. Some are going to like you immediately, some aren’t. As my friend Smallville once said, “The only rule is calibration, everything else is just a recommendation.”
With that said, before we jump into this, it’s very important that you’re familiar with my concepts of passive/active attraction and how they work. You can read the brief overview on the concepts here: http://www.entropypua.com/blog/personalizing-pickup-natural-advantagesdisadvantages
The two main things to remember going forward: 1) that attraction is based on value and 2) every woman’s perception of value (what they find attractive) is different.
For instance, what you consider an HB10 could have terrible self-esteem or be unaware of her own value, whereas she may find you naturally “her type.” But you, thinking, “She’s an HB10, I have to tease her hard,” will overvalue yourself and get blown out.
This is why calibration is so important. There’s no single thing you can do that works in every interaction.
Also, sometimes you run into girls who are HB6’s or HB7’s who THINK that they’re hot shit and when you approach think to themselves, “great, another jackass trying to get laid.” In your mind, she’s just an HB6, so you don’t really try to game her, but she actually perceives herself to be of much higher value so she blows you off.
This is why HB10’s are often some of the nicest girls and HB6’s can be the meanest.
The laws of passive and active attraction say that you want just enough attraction so that she perceives your value to be equal or above hers.
A lot of times guys don’t realize their own passive value and so they’ll immediately be higher value than a girl as soon as they talk to her and mistakenly try to create active attraction. This is the biggest and one of the most common mistakes a guy can make.
So how do we know where we are in regards to her? What’s her perception of us?
I have a simple process that I apply when I’m in set: Once I hook the set, I’ll throw out a very light tease to the girl and see how she responds.
- If she laughs and responds positively, it means my value is equal or slightly higher to hers and I’ll keep teasing until I stop getting a positive reaction.
- If she responds negatively and seems offended, it means I’m OVERVALUED and I stop. I will compliment her, state my interest or DLV myself (buy her a drink) to bring myself closer to her. This is to make me “attainable” in her eyes. You’ll have to do this often with shy or reserved girls.
- If she responds negatively and is cold and bored, it means I’m extremely undervalued and I need to tease her even harder. Girls who react this way, you’re not even on their radar screen yet, so you have to say something really bold and outlandish to wake them up to you.
- If she shit-tests me back in a playful way, it means she values herself slightly more than me, in which I keep teasing until I get a negative response.
Once I know where my value is relative to hers, I follow this blueprint:
- If I’m OVERVALUED, I will compliment her, state my interest in her and even DLV myself.
- If I’m UNDERVALUED, I tease and neg her harder until I get a more positive reaction or she blows me out.
- If I’m around her value, I keep teasing at the same level and being escalating.
After a while, this will all become second nature to you.
The last comment I’ll make is that sometimes you run into girls who will get into frame battles with you – i.e., you tease them, they tease you back, you tease them more, they tease you back more, and you never are able to actually get anywhere. These girls like you, you just have to go SUPER AGGRESSIVE on them. A lot of times, they’ll reject your advances for no other reason than to tease you again, but just keep plowing. They like you, they’re just really sassy.
Calibration is mostly developed through doing hundreds and even thousands of sets. After enough time you begin to just pick up which girls naturally like you a lot, which girls seem lonely, which ones seem happy that you’re opening them, etc.
After enough time, you begin to get really good at reading social cues as well, all of the little IOI’s or IOD’s she may give you. Calibration is something you have to constantly work on. Your game is only as good as your calibration. You can know every awesome technique and line in the world, but if you don’t know when to use them, you won’t get anywhere.
In the next installment, I’ll provide a few examples of each of these calibrations in action.
Calibration may be THE most important concept to understand when it comes to picking up women.
So if you’ve read parts 1 through 3 of the night game model, you basically now know: PART 1 :who and when to open,
PART 2: how to open and transition,
Part 3:how to cycle teasing and comfort stories.
Getting good at these things will enable you to open sets and hold them as long as necessary and build attraction. But there’s still a CRUCIALLY important concept that I need to go over: and that’s calibration.
Calibration is absolutely fundamental and for a simple reason as well: not every girl is the same. Some women like to be teased, some don’t. Some are looking for a guy, some aren’t. Some are going to like you immediately, some aren’t. As my friend Smallville once said, “The only rule is calibration, everything else is just a recommendation.”
With that said, before we jump into this, it’s very important that you’re familiar with my concepts of passive/active attraction and how they work. You can read the brief overview on the concepts here: http://www.entropypua.com/blog/personalizing-pickup-natural-advantagesdisadvantages
The two main things to remember going forward: 1) that attraction is based on value and 2) every woman’s perception of value (what they find attractive) is different.
For instance, what you consider an HB10 could have terrible self-esteem or be unaware of her own value, whereas she may find you naturally “her type.” But you, thinking, “She’s an HB10, I have to tease her hard,” will overvalue yourself and get blown out.
This is why calibration is so important. There’s no single thing you can do that works in every interaction.
Also, sometimes you run into girls who are HB6’s or HB7’s who THINK that they’re hot shit and when you approach think to themselves, “great, another jackass trying to get laid.” In your mind, she’s just an HB6, so you don’t really try to game her, but she actually perceives herself to be of much higher value so she blows you off.
This is why HB10’s are often some of the nicest girls and HB6’s can be the meanest.
The laws of passive and active attraction say that you want just enough attraction so that she perceives your value to be equal or above hers.
A lot of times guys don’t realize their own passive value and so they’ll immediately be higher value than a girl as soon as they talk to her and mistakenly try to create active attraction. This is the biggest and one of the most common mistakes a guy can make.
So how do we know where we are in regards to her? What’s her perception of us?
I have a simple process that I apply when I’m in set: Once I hook the set, I’ll throw out a very light tease to the girl and see how she responds.
- If she laughs and responds positively, it means my value is equal or slightly higher to hers and I’ll keep teasing until I stop getting a positive reaction.
- If she responds negatively and seems offended, it means I’m OVERVALUED and I stop. I will compliment her, state my interest or DLV myself (buy her a drink) to bring myself closer to her. This is to make me “attainable” in her eyes. You’ll have to do this often with shy or reserved girls.
- If she responds negatively and is cold and bored, it means I’m extremely undervalued and I need to tease her even harder. Girls who react this way, you’re not even on their radar screen yet, so you have to say something really bold and outlandish to wake them up to you.
- If she shit-tests me back in a playful way, it means she values herself slightly more than me, in which I keep teasing until I get a negative response.
Once I know where my value is relative to hers, I follow this blueprint:
- If I’m OVERVALUED, I will compliment her, state my interest in her and even DLV myself.
- If I’m UNDERVALUED, I tease and neg her harder until I get a more positive reaction or she blows me out.
- If I’m around her value, I keep teasing at the same level and being escalating.
After a while, this will all become second nature to you.
The last comment I’ll make is that sometimes you run into girls who will get into frame battles with you – i.e., you tease them, they tease you back, you tease them more, they tease you back more, and you never are able to actually get anywhere. These girls like you, you just have to go SUPER AGGRESSIVE on them. A lot of times, they’ll reject your advances for no other reason than to tease you again, but just keep plowing. They like you, they’re just really sassy.
Calibration is mostly developed through doing hundreds and even thousands of sets. After enough time you begin to just pick up which girls naturally like you a lot, which girls seem lonely, which ones seem happy that you’re opening them, etc.
After enough time, you begin to get really good at reading social cues as well, all of the little IOI’s or IOD’s she may give you. Calibration is something you have to constantly work on. Your game is only as good as your calibration. You can know every awesome technique and line in the world, but if you don’t know when to use them, you won’t get anywhere.
In the next installment, I’ll provide a few examples of each of these calibrations in action.
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