how excesize affects me in my inner game and results w women

Guys, I recently stopped going to the gym due to hectic schedule. I can say that I feel strong but my mood is different,Im inside my head more, I overthink instead of looking for solutions or taking action. I think this plays alot in any Man's Life that exercise is potential to your results with women. you can get laid here or there using "pua routines" here and there but it wont go anywhere and it wont be as consistent, this is common and frustrating thing for guys.
Im glad Jesse puts in alot of value and importance of exercise.

I am not making this up,I feel that these are what lead to deep hole if you aren't exercising , more you will end up in a head game and being lazy.not pushing yourself in any area of life,maybe even victim from being pushed around.

I noticed this change and Im definately going to go to sign up at another gym near me,since Im not getting private trainer any longer cause I feel I can continue myself to save money and push myself a bit more.I dont have a spot nor do I have buddies to train with me at that time since I have hectic irregular schedule.

dont listen to gurus or dating experts who say looks dont matter. Looks do matter guys, they do and more you improve in yourself and invest in yourself in your looks and improving all around, the more self confident you are and you will realize we set our own limitations in Life.

so guys Im not Arnold the governator nor am I being paid to day this but go out and exercise more often as you can.
watch how you will create self discipline and self respect for yourself.
Women will catch this and will want to be with you, for unknown reasons....

really its happened to me before. Do it and dont turn back.

clear your head and exercise

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Do all you can and do it the best you can.
It's the only way you ever get that feeling of accomplishing something."
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Action will destroy your procrastination.- Og Mandino

"From a woman’s POV, if a man does not know how to physically take care of himself, he will NEVER be able to take care of her"-MK 

FR: oscars date with latina and I get massive LMR wants to go home

FR: oscars date with latina and I get massive LMR wants to go home

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so I was out of town and a girl Ive been on and off talking on the phone and text, she is 37 yrs old but looks decently good for her age.
(I had opened direct on her previously and we ve been flirting and Ive been more masculine dominant wo being too pushy)

I told her I was out of town and she text me she wanted to fly out to see me since she wanted to watch the oscars.I thought she was kidding and said she was serious and then we were talking about cuddling and she said "I want to see you."

we made arrangements for the next day to spend time together and have our own oscars party.

I got in town and and picked her up in my car

she was excited and yet felt LMR when we I surprised her and took her to south beach hotel then we were in a room together but i roleplayed future projection pretend we are out of town and "we are bfgf".

She look at tv and I'd escalate to arouse her w touching caressing and kissing. At comercial breaks we'd make out and cuddled but she pulled back quickly and would stand up from the bed when shed get horny.

Then she said were not having sex and I lol'd.

She saw I was chilling and offered her a drink and she said oh no im not getting drunk I will drink water And used disqualifiers like
"im too old for you" "I have to get up early tomorrow".etc.

We'd get on the bed and I'd escalate and push back.
Id use NLP routines to get her aroused more and shed want to change subject.

at times when I pulled back She'd want me too push more then I was kissing her neck as I did a slight hairpull as I licked her neck

then she got up went to bathroom (prob soaking WET)
and then she came out and said
"I have to go".

I said "why soo soon."
(an hour and half battle w LMR).

I then make out again heaviliy and she was like
"I cant.im older than you and this might get farther than i expected so i have to go." she then she asked me if i was mad i said no.I acted like it wasnt a big deal and we left the room.
As I dropped her off during the drive we were building comfort .

She said that I'm smart ,creative and intellectual and rare guy
that alot of girls probably throw themselves at me.
As I got to her car and we kissed again and we went on our own separate ways.

Now, I dont hear from her.
Im confused.

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Jesse Charger says:

My overall experience with South Florida Latina chicks is that they're more difficult than Caucasian women. More LMR, more stupid games, more sexual inhibitions, more trying to hard ignore you on the approach, and the list goes on. And that's IF they like you

Then again, a lot of them DO have big azzes So kudos to you for trying to crack them.

I don't see anything you did that stood out as being "incorrect". It sounded pretty solid.

I think she wants to test you to see if you're marriage material, so she's resisting the sex and seeing how far you'll go to chase her down. A lot of Latin women are looking for husbands, not boyfriends. Also, she's an older single woman AND Latina, so she'll be especially sensitive to looking for a potential husband.


I say:
I have to review Arousal sections on SNLs.Microloop theory.Sinn's product on Logistics, turne her on Oct 2010 Inner Circle CD.
Sexual tension by vin di carlo.Non Verbal sexual communication.
physical push -pull builds sexual tension

cognitive dissonance and needyness and persistance

[QUOTE=TequilaMan;5281]Player;



Our society has NOT taught us how to enjoy sexual relationships, this includes simple healthy relationships, that are fulfilling.[/QUOTE]





Society. OK.Jesse has great articles on harem.Id say the BEST in the WORLD is Jesse.Here is the thing,not everyone can have harem or enjoy relationships.yeah you are right, society rules.

but you have to see past that to get what you want.BY NOT directly exposing you are breaking society rules but being the selected few who know you things work behind the scenes.





[QUOTE=TequilaMan;5281]Yeah, a womans' emotions will confuse a man. I believe the emotions, in a woman, are due to, at how our society tells women about NOT being a slut. [/QUOTE]

If you bring that out she will feel like a slut, she will resist you.I can handle that one on one face to face but over text phone its hard to convey important escalation triggers to overide her logic.

Ive attracted and push pull through text but sometimes the girl may think you are just another guy and she wont comply.

THATS the truth of the GAME.



[QUOTE=TequilaMan;5281]A man NEEDS to be persistent. It's too easy for a woman to ignore a man if he just calls her on the phone uses e-mail and text messages.



TM[/QUOTE]



Honestly, I never had to work that hard, I admit I got insulted and even told to

"buy an airplane ticket to see me instead of paying a hooker"

And I had to frame control her with



"look baby , I dont need to pay,sex is readily avaiable here in this city,its not a big of a deal to me...but I rather see for who a person is... I admit I am curious something about you, your personality, but tell me why would I be interested in a girl like you? I mean ,What makes you different and valuable than all other pretty faces out there?"



I know I know, if she ignores I used to move on fast too.

Im experimenting and push myself when sets are half blown.Im good at that stuff.I just been too disapointed by begging for a womans attention in the past so its scary to do that and chase cause sometimes you chase hard and she feels good but rewarding bad behavior. it goes against cognitive dissonance.

you being categorized as provider...



Reinforces the uses of that stupid book THE RULES to get men to chase them.



“When women go wrong, men go right after them.” - MAE WEST







""He that has once done you a kindness will be more ready to do you another, than he whom you yourself have obliged." Ben Frankiln effect.

so update that Yoyi ended up fail. and I proceed with zey

so after my date things went bad and I admit I fucked up in the follow up but Im concerned that she might have issues and Im not screening.
Mark and Tripp say NEXT or FLUSH.
Jesse says to keep on..I disagree with him abit but that is his style of game.

I ofcourse go for sex, my game is fluid.CAMALEON game.rapport.build commonality as you relate to people.I think Mike Lee's prgram is the best at this.


I also have to calibrate deep comfort.
sometimes its too much and I have to admit that it may not work for LSE types.

I will try to come up with money to work and cover costs,

I have to review my call with mark last year when I was basing my life with career descicions he gave me great advice.

so I spoke with Zey and we agreed to meet up soon, she semi qualified me as mature adult to be able to hook up and meet up.

she has an iphone and thats cool.

she ahs issues too and I hope I can help her with that ;)

I think yoyi issue had to do with calibration.
I might talk with Jon or Franco.

Jesse insists on keep going for it but Im not prepared to compete with other older men with money.
I have to work on my frame so that Im not provider type.

9 10 game audio by Mr.M and Braddock is really good when women try to put you in a category.

I think its over with her eventhough some say she might sreach out depends on 3 days or 3 weeks.

Zey is next up to bat.
I might start doing online stuff as Im planning for 1st date set up.

I have the party coming up soon. so It would have been great to have Jon help me but I will review Franco's comments.

I have to go socialize, I might start strip club game again just to feel good again and work on my eye contact.

Artisan is good but too much money on coaching I have to atleast lay some bitches.

this month of Febrauary is to deal with cuban woman dry spell.
so I have to close.

I also started working out again HOO RAY~

Jesse, I Hooked Up With the Family’s Mom…

Hello Jesse,

I enjoyed your latest program and it worked so well I actually found myself in a very awkward situation.

I stayed in Raleigh for a week and was with a family where I hooked up with the mom.

The family is friends with my parents, so it’s created an awkward situation and I need some advice. First, here’s my “field report”:

I had a crush on the mom before, but was obviously way too chicken-shit to do anything about it. It’s because some years back we did a barbecue and she had massive cleavage going on, but since then it’s always been covered. Which drives me even crazier thinking about it.

This time I was staying at their house and hitting her with your nonverbal game. She never noticed me before, but now I’m getting IOIs from her. Like smiling and she was holding eye contact with me, but actually holding it.

Also, when I helped her cut veggies for the dinner I “accidentally” brushed up on her numerous times.

The next night she came into my room wearing just a nightie to check on me. Tight. “Wow, you look fantastic,” I told her. I took her by the wrist, and (tried) to pull her toward me.

She got all embarrassed… and left the room. “Fuck, fuck, fuck,” I was thinking. And Jesse, I was embarrassed too. But that night I dreamed about fucking her all night long.

The next day though she was back to normal affectionate though, and giving me heavy IOIs, eye contact, touching me casually but more than would be normal. I think she liked it that I grabbed her. I still felt guilty about it, but if she did too, she didn’t show it.

She invited me to help prepare the dinner before than “man of the house” got home. He’s a nice guy, funny, but a dweeb. He definitely has no clue about game or the power of this.

So we were preparing dinner together, and I went hard on the nonverbal trigger game. We were laughing and “brushing” against each other. I was scared to death inside about making another move, so what I did next had my adrenaline going.

I did your sexual intent bit. “You’re dangerous for me,” I said to her. I touched her bare arm and traced it along her shoulder, and then to her breast and circled her nipple. “You’re a temptation.”

She kind of just stood there looking at me. I think she was speechless

I took her hips and guided her back to the kitchen counter, facing each other. Eye contact. Killer stuff Jesse. Then I moved my hands up her body from her hips and squeezed the undersides of her breasts. “You’re dangerous for me, you’re a temptation,” I said again.

“Stop,” she said, “this isn’t right.”

And she left the kitchen!!! FUCK!

Jesse, I’m just thinking to myself “fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck THIS,” again. It was like the worst moment of my life.

Dinner was really awkward. She didn’t look at me with her husband two kids right there! And the conversation felt stiff. I’m telling you Jesse, I felt really fucked up inside. But with pent up energy too.

I think too because my game is very rough still, I was making progress but also making things weird. And also thinking I was maybe the most amoral prick on the planet.

The next day came, I thought it was over, but she asked me to go shopping groceries with her. At the store she was a standoffish at first like nothing happened, but I got her smiling and laughing and I kept running the nonverbal game on her.

When we got back to the house, she began showing me some picture albums. I took this as an IOI. I felt like it was “on” again but I was nervous as fuck because I wanted to make a move, but I didn’t want to freak her out again either.

I just asked her, “Are you a good kisser,” and she said “Yes,” and from there we made out!!

After a while I pushed her back against the couch and started squeezing her big tit through her shirt. I was nervous as all fuck.

“Oh god, I’m not going to be able to stop,” she said.

From there we did it. I didn’t have a condom, so licked her out and she sucked me until I blew my load.

My first MILF! Really it was fantastic, because I had DAYS of pent up energy needing to be released and I wanted her so bad.

The next day was Saturday, my last day, and I couldn’t get her alone and nothing happened between us.

Here’s the fucked up thing. The trip is over now and I’m back home. She’s emailed me asking how I am. I want to fuck her proper this time, but the logistics are bad now and I feel guilty about it. Maybe I should just forget her, move on, and use your stuff to find a real girlfriend now?

Thanks Jesse, this can be used for great evil in the wrong hands .

Your new fan,

Jake

I can’t say that I can condone Jake’s behavior, and it’s not a good idea to “shit where you sleep.”

That said, Nonverbal Sexual Mind Control has a lot of power techniques to fire off hard attraction feelings in women. It’s for meeting girls everywhere, and not Mom’s though the program doesn’t discriminate. Who you go for is up to you. You can click THIS link here to grab a copy right now.

So should Jake follow his desires and give this woman a thrill ride, or simply let it go? Let me know what you think below, leave a comment.

~ Jesse

day game current sticking points JAN 2011

I will concede some truth that IOI carry different weight in different countries. Eye contact in North America usually means a girl would be comfortable with you striking a conversation with her. In certain European countries eye contact means a girl "wants" you to strike a conversation with her.




However I personally try not to read too much into cultural differences when it comes to women, because the end result is always the same. Underneath all those IOI every woman follows her emotions like a moral compass. It takes practice, but once you can tap into that part of her brain casually and comfortably you'll notice all these IOIs fall to the wayside





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ccol Hoyle Thanks..



I meant on advice on what I need to work on my daygame,dude.

based on the minor report I posted.



I also meant the IOIs during the convo is like her temperature goes up..so I found it either kino or ask her a question/qualifying statement rather than do more talking...



Initially the IOIs are ok, warm appraoches...



within the convo the IOIs tell you to calibrate her reactions in a way.



Jesse ofcourse mentioned previously in another day game thread for me not to follow the IOIs cause we get addicted to the IOIs and lose focus on leading the seduction. with that in mind.



great point Hoyle...Im noticing this Im not stereotyping but the more masculine you come off with latin women its like they are more receptive...its weird cause on white american its safety issue in day game ,so its a convo , interesting convo.

Latina not really into interesting convo, just seeing what else you got in terms of how macho are you in subtle non verbal sexual communication (one of Jesse's product)...YES in day game, LOL





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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandee

Things that Im messing up is :



-I talk too much and lack asking her questions to invest in convo

-lack of qualification or screening statements

-I forget about making her talk about herself...



So its like I talk and talk and talk and abit braggin' eventhoguh it isnt really but , its is abit too much too soon, too deep or too personal.



This is coming from a place of wanting to impress / entertain by just talking non-stop.



Becoming more comfortable with the idea of creating space or PUSH BACK with silences or asking for her input begins with not needing to impress the girl or win her approval so much.



One thing about Miami Latinas is that they tend to be QUIET and not really contribute as much as your typical Gringa. That can cause you to talk more because they're not giving back to the convo.



Latins are very family and social circle oriented, whereas European-descended Americans are more about mingling, meeting new people, and breaking family and old social ties. So you'll find white girls contribute more to the conversation and it's generally easier than with Latin Miami girls.







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Im noticing most Latina girls get turned off by this...like they rather you hold back and show abit mystery and more masculine dominant subcommunications to attract her rather than you talking too much about yourself, ofcourse unless she asks you .



It comes down to being introduced and social circles. A lot of Latina girls can come across as straight up weird and cold if you're not properly introduced, and even then as a Gringo you're still an outsider to them.





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Jesse any adivice or excersizes on the day game sticking points ?



Not really, unfortunately. I like Gringas. Just easier and cooler people.



Night clubs are different. Just get more physical and persistent against their cold shoulders and less conversational. You have better chance in a night club with them.



Or salsa club. If you can dance well, that will attract a lot of attention as you're such an oddity, and dancing well is a huge status symbol.







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but I started talking about a deep comfort story about how I liked nicaraguan food cause a maid in the house when I was a kid was from nicaragua and she used to cook that type of food and I liked it once in awhile....but then I told her that "now she is gone and i found out the lady recently died...."



the girl who was playng with her hair and sexual eye contact with me ...I felt all the sudden she got turned off and she walked away...



You're probably being too nice guy...? So is she feeling sexual intent from you, that sexual fury? Deep eye contact to her lips + eyes, super slow voice, lick your lips, telling her she's hot cute eyes? Maybe you're stuck in conversational friends zone and it got boring to her. She probably has plenty of alpha tough-guy Latin guys in her life she's comparing you to.







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So I might have to calibrate and hold back being too deep too soon and trying to get her to talk more about herself.



Maybe, but it may be more of a sexual intent issue.







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other girls would say " Awww.... thats so sweet" or "too bad"



A gringa would have given you more conversational banter back to work with, but these stories still wouldn't have turned her on. She'd still see you as a conversation friend.







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.. cause it looks like stories turns them off.



I think you're playing things too safe and cautiously, looking for the girl to like you first before you show sexual interest in her. You've got to show sexual interest in her first, and lead her into that attraction state.

How to Supercharge Your Motivation For Meeting Girls!::State leads you to sucess

December 17th, 2010 by Jesse Charger

Why is it that sometimes you “know” you should go out to be social and meet girls, but often you just don’t FEEL like it?

So you end up staying home and wasting time – again!

Well, here’s exactly HOW to blast open your motivation, once and for all.

When you come home from school or work, or when you’ve been playing games or watching television, you’ve been sitting in one place and you feel physically “average”.



From that starting point of feeling “average”, it’s hard to feel motivated to do anything BIG, like go out.

The Gym Analogy
Let’s say you want to put on more muscle mass, so you go to your local gym to workout.

You walk inside the gym and look around at all the resistance machines.

One major problem though… you don’t really FEEL like working out.



Instead, you feel like your feet are heavy rocks, you’ve got zero energy, and getting muscular is hopeless!

You don’t like that “average” blah state you have, but you don’t really feel like changing it either.

So you just leave the gym feeling even worse, doing nothing.

However, if you were to just FORCE yourself to MOVE with INTENSITY in the gym for only a few minutes, like run fast and hard on the treadmill for 60 seconds and do twenty muscle-pumping push ups, you’re suddenly going to feel PUMPED and HIGH.



Blood will course through your muscles, your testosterone will surge like a wave, and you’ll get that energetic “Starburst” feeling of, “YES!!! By the power of Grayskull… I am… the MAN!!”

Then you’ll feel like BLASTING those weights… NOT walking away!

And you’ll enjoy your pumped up “Starburst” feeling.

In fact, you WON’T want to go back to your old state of “average” blah.

Now that you’re in this gym-pumped, high of a state, you’ll want to remain THERE because it feels soo much better.

Your State Has Inertia!


So here’s what you have to understand about your feelings and your state:

Wherever your state is in that moment, that’s where you tend to want to stay.

You see, your state has INERTIA. In other words, your state has a tendency to resist changing – even your BAD states!

It’s much like Newton’s law of inertia and motion.

So if you’re feeling lethargic and crappy, you’ll have a tendency to want to STAY in that bad place.



That’s why when you’re at the gym and you feel like sluggish crap, you just want to leave before you even start.

Or more likely, you don’t even get off the couch to go to the gym in the first place. You just think about it wishfully, but then stay at rest.

And that’s why on a Friday night when you’re feeling “average” and slow, you tend to just stay on the couch, even though you know that you SHOULD go out to meet all those gorgeous women out there.

And conversely, once you’re in a physically pumped up, “Starburst”, happy state, you’ll want to stay THERE as well.



You’ll want to ride the great feelings of blood coursing through your veins as long as you can.

Again, your state has Inertia. When you’re at rest, you’ll have a tendency to stay at rest. But once you get moving, pumped up and happy, you’ll want to STAY moving and you’ll want to STAY pumped up and happy.

Getting Into That “Starburst State”
So here’s how can you use state inertia to your unfair advantage to develop motivation to go out and meet women.



You’ve got to start moving. You’ve got to force yourself to move, even if initially at first you don’t feel like moving.

Because remember the other rule of state:

Your emotions, your state, follows your physical motion.





So if you just sit there being inactive for too long, your state will eventually follow and you’ll FEEL lethargic and slow.

But when you get up and MOVE and you run and do push-ups, and you yell and shout out loud, you’re going to start to feel PUMPED up and great inside.

When you move physically, your physical movements will carry your state and feelings along with it to that better place, where you feel happy and motivated.



Of course, you won’t feel like jumping around like a wild man to jumpstart your state at first, because of the negative inertia is working against you.

So you’ve got to realize that resistance is going to weigh on you at first, and you’ve got to force yourself to physically move to get past that initial moment of resistance.

Because once you press through that initial negative inertia, and you start to feel pumped up and happy, you’ll think to yourself, “Wow, I love THIS pumped-up state, and now THIS is where I want to stay! I can’t believe I was feeling crappy before and just wanted to sit there, that would have sucked!!”

So you’ve got to make that conscious effort to snap yourself out of that unmotivated state by running, jumping, doing pushups, yelling loudly, and just move HARD and FAST for two or three minutes.



And then you’ll feel motivated to take massive action, because your emotions always follow your physical motions.

And when you’re in that pumped up, Starburst state, you’ll WANT to stay THERE inside it and NOT turn back.

So the next time you want to go out, but some unseen, de-motivating force holds you back, here’s what you do:

First, grab a Deep Inner Game CD and listen to it.

Deep Inner Game installs traits like confidence, flow, and sexuality that keeps you on track and motivated to go out. Whenever you’re feeling down or “off” in your game, just listen to a trance and you’ll instantly feel refreshed, renewed, and pumped. Just click HERE to grab it for yourself.

And then, even if you don’t feel like, get moving. Just force yourself to stand up and do 20 pushups. Run around the room a few times, do some jumping jacks, and yell out loud.

In short, that’s how you quickly flip your state to get it working FOR you instead of against you.

~ Jesse

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Hi

I've been getting into Game fairly recently and lately I've been making approaches confidently but the other night and this evening a sticking point cropped up: Converstaions running dry! I keep running out of shit to say, and I've started to become self conscious about it and it's slowly chipping away at my confidence again. Do you have any solid conversational techniques that would enable me to keep a conversation ticking over and thus help me to avoid this horrible situation?

thanx


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Ingrain a few opened ended questions in your conversation repetiore. For example..

"What brought you to this particular bar"
"What made you want to move to this city"
"What do you love most about Las Vegas"
"Why do you choose..."

In your next interaction try listening to what a woman is saying. Rather then thinking about what to say next. The community talks about "hooks". Now the way I see things every word that comes out of a woman mouth is hook for you open a new conversational thread on.

Girl: My sister is coming over this weekend
Guy: Your sister is coming over this weekend ? do you guys live far apart ?
Girl: She lives in New York (Hooks are sister, NY)
Guy: I love NY especially during Christmas its go such an amazing vibe like especially when they put the lights on in Times Square
Girl: yeah I love it

From here you can throw in open ended questions about what she loves about the city or even ask her about her sister.

Another tip is to maybe do some daily improv. Take a word out of random page in a book and turn it into a story.
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I have seen men yak and yak with a woman. My thoughts are, they DON'T get anywhere. She just sits there, lets him talk and talk and he will be just wasting his time and effort.
The way that I get a woman interested in me, is, to NOT talk for long time periods. (10 minutes or more.)
I am one of the few men, (I think FM does this), is TOUCH her.
What I do most of the time, when the conversation starts to slow-down, is to say to her, "Give me your hand".
I will, then, gently massage her hand and tell her, "This feels good, doesn't it".
Then, the conversation will change to a different subject.
If done correctly, (you focus on her pleasure), she will start to get good-feeling in being, TOUCHED.

TM

Note 1: This takes practice and confidence in your ability to turn a woman, ON.

Note 2: Using subliminal suggestions, like the, below, will work:
"Come (CUM) with me."
"That sounds juicy".
"Come (CUM) over here".
"I keep wondering how you would taste".
See, my thread, Sublimital Suggestions
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If you meet girls during the day you will need to build some rapport with the girl before you get sexual with her. If you go sexual too quickly your gonna creep her out.

Clubs are different girls who go there are usually not that serious or are single so you can get sexual very quickly.

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Sublimital Suggestions


Close your eyes and imagine for a second...

Wouldn't it be *nice* to have a magic wand that gives you the
power to make every woman around you dripping wet down under,
"stimulated" & "aroused" even - especially when you are around?

... No woman would be able to keep her hands off you. She would
have to be sexual... she'll flirt, play & touch you more...
because... she was so turned on, she couldn't control herself.

She'd lose control of her body.

She'd start putting sexual "moves" on you.

my favorite is using innocent words to make her think about sex with you.

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HOW TO USE "INNOCENT WORDS" TO TURN WOMEN ON:
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Words like "deep", "hard", "thrust", "wet", "come", "warm",
"moist" and "stroke" are all "innocent" words...

You use them in your conversations every day.

Yet...

You feel a sexual energy when you say these words to a
woman, right?

How could you possibly tell a woman the air was "warm and
moist" outside, today, and not think of being inside
her?

It's impossible!

Women have the same "problem."

In fact... since women rely on their imagination each and
every day... They are even MORE easily "tricked" into
thinking sexual thoughts, when you use these "innocent"
words.

(she doesn't ever get an erection to hide... so... she
can think sexual thoughts all day long, if she wants...)

The TRICK is using these "innocent" words in a conversation
with women... in a way that lets you DENY you
were talking about sex.

Here's how:

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"TRICK" WOMEN INTO THINKING ABOUT SEX...
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You want to work these "innocent" words into your
conversations with women as if they were normal.

For instance -

You're inviting a woman to coffee.

You COULD say: "Meet me here."

INSTEAD, you say: "Come with me."

Let's try another example:

You're talking to a woman about her feelings.

You COULD say: "Wow, you seem passionate about that"

INSTEAD, you say: "Wow, I can tell that topic gets you all
worked up"

That's more subtle. You can use "innocent" words - aka.
Sensual Language - to tease a woman about a date (when
texting):

"I gotta warn you, it might get TOO hard ;-)"

(if you were going on a physical date, like go-karting or
rock-climbing...)

You can use Sensual Language when you're finally together on
your first date:

"Look at how wet you got!"

(if it's raining outside...)

You can even use Sensual Language to build up the tension,
right before your first kiss:

"I keep wondering what you would taste like..."

(she doesn't know if you're talking about her skin, her
lips... or...)

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THE KEY HERE IS TO RELAX!
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When you're relaxed, you'll use Sensual language all the time.

In fact, you're naturally wired to use sensual words... when...
You're thinking sensual thoughts.

Trouble is - Most of the time, you can't think sensual thoughts
when you get nervous.

Such as - Being on a date.

Such as - Talking to a woman.

Such as - Seeing a beautiful woman you want to meet.

When you relax, your mind will naturally gravitate towards
more sexual topics and word choices.

You'll feel "risk" and "excitement" in every conversation you
have with women.

And she'll feel this excitement, as well.

When you start using Sensual Language in your "game", you'll
never have another boring, friendly conversation with a woman.

ALL chit-chat will eventually turn flirty and sexual.

And you'll lead a much happier, more fulfilling dating and sex
life :-)

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What you can do right now, today...
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1) TRY IT OUT! Start small, maybe toss an "innocent" word
into a text, to see how she responds.

Try "come with me" - it's easy, it works. You can
use it any time you're inviting a woman to do something with
you.

2) RELAX! And get sexual around women. Let your mind stray to
sexual thoughts... because... these sexual thoughts will
give you a sexual vibe around women.

Which KILLS any chance at you two being "just friends"

Miracles come in easy, tiny packages

For today, I want you to focus on relaxing and having a good
time around women.

Which means... You gotta be around women!

So go talk to one woman, today.

One good, short and sexual convo... and... You'll never
wanna stop

Here's a little something for you to digest right now...

Have you ever been talking to a woman and wondered
what the hell she's thinking... Our thoughts go to speeds
at about a 1000 miles per second... we're thinking of
stuff ALL THE TIME!

I should know... I'm guilty as charged too ;p

Women are unpredictable, and reading her body language BARELY
reveals her surface emotions... Let alone what she's
thinking way back in the depths of her mind.

To some guys, it may seem like "closing the deal" with a
woman requires a lot of guess work, even with the BEST
techniques! You have to *guess* whether she likes compliments
or not...

You have to *guess* whether she likes to go out and party or stay in and snuggle...

You have to *guess* what her perfect first date is, and HOPE
that you didn't screw it up.

She'll smile and play along, and at the end of the night...
Whether you get a first kiss - or come up to her place -
depends on whether you *guessed* right, or WRONG.
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I usually do more seduction and try not to overthink too much with too much theory. Been busy with an important exam coming up so been studying that.


BUT I like to go out during daytime here in Miami.

2 days ago I ran into a strange situation.

I had to run errands. this is art of where I go to talk with strangers etc..
daygame etc

I usually do more inital eye contact and use my deep voice as per Jesse's voice excersize video. i dont joke too much but use alot of eye contact and very sly semi sexual and smirk..and see if she gives non verbal IOIs then I open my mouth about random stuff.

but today somethign I noticed...

Cashier semi attractive big tits 27 yr old latin/cuban woman 8*, though very limited in talking with clients...She would give me eye contact, I tried even throwing in a joke and she kept looking elsewhere or down but not directly at me, like breaking rapport in subtle way.

next bank teller ,
blonde 20 yr old really young sexy latin/cuban another *8..

I was talking to her to pay something, I noticed she was doing superficial rapport and not checking me out at all. I then start throwing a story in to "DHV" ,still she ignored not even pay attention to what I was saying.
Also avoided eye contact all together and ran superficial rapport. She avoid further talk.


Im unsure if I should let it go/withdraw NEXT or break rapport to make her uneasy and move interaction forward.


Like to hear from Jesse and you guys who have experienced this and noticed.

I dont usually get this but Im not sure if it has to deal with type of woman, or the mindset of detecting that reaction when the girl is not reacting at all towards you period.

I usually get noticed by women, they hold eye contact or even initate eye contact with me and hold it.

but most latin or Cuban women intially to me ,they avoid eye contact or look down like avoiding at all cost eventhough we are talking.

Its something not to obesess about but Id like to hear your thoughts on how you see this and can be talked about.

is it a physical sh*t test for you to do something or is it basically not interested and NEXT....

this would be very intersting to hear.
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Well, as always the world doesnt turn around you Sandee, so occasional miss eye contact is acceptable. If you really want to have a person make eye contact with you, you can always try some unconventional stuff, like creating awkward situation or pauses...

Dont over think this.

Btw, I missed your intro. Did you do it?

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Quote:
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Well, as always the world doesnt turn around you Sandee, so occasional miss eye contact is acceptable. If you really want to have a person make eye contact with you, you can always try some unconventional stuff, like creating awkward situation or pauses...

Dont over think this.

Btw, I missed your intro. Did you do it?

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I slap the girls ass as I start a first date.
Intro? PM me.thanks


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Sandee, many girls will specifically look away or look down when they feel ATTRACTED to you. So it's really tough to gauge attraction levels when a girl is not making eye contact. She could be feeling nothing OR she could be feeling sexual heat and that's her automated response to deal with it - avert her eyes.

You don't want to get into a habit of looking for eye contact either, ideally. A woman gives you eye contact and you feel validated. Your state spikes and you feel better.

The next girl doesn't give you eye contact, and you wonder what's wrong. Your state slips.

Your state goes up and down, and you start gaming just to get eye contact rather than opening. Not at all saying that is what's happening here, but just something to watch for!

Persistence is your friend here. If a girl is averting her eyes, you need to keep talking to her (with a touch if you can) so that she has time to become comfortable, and then she'll start making eye contact back.


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Its one of thouse things that when I started using non verbal sexual cuing with women, a whole perspective opened up....

as you explain this very well, YES, as I started getting these women that "avoid personal rapport/avoid eye contact", My inner self went into short circuit.
YES, You are dead on brother!
that is whats happening, I got to stop doing that.

Persistance, definately will try to be more.

You totally understand me Jesse, Thank you bro

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by Franco » Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:18 am

Hello Sandros,

Yes physical shit tests do exist.

I analyze your descriptions of non verbal situations:

>casheir semi attractive big tits 32 yrs old latin/cuban woman 8*, though >very limited in talking with clients...She would give me eye contact, I tried >even throwing in a joke and she kept looking elsewhere or down but not >directly at me, like breaking rapport in subtle way.

Usually if she does not like you she looks to the side. It´s an instinctive reaction. Men do the same: if you see a UG on your way instinctively you turn your head to the other side. This reactions of hers: first giving EC and then looking elsewhere or down tells me more that she is either shy or was caught off guard by your approach.

>next bank teller ,
>blonde 20 yr old really young sexy latin/cuban another *8..
>I was talking to her to pay something, I noticed she was doing superficial >rapport and not checking me out at all. I then start throwing a story in to >"DHV" ,still she ignored not even pay attention to what I was saying.
>Also avoided eye contact all together and ran superficial rapport. She >avoid further talk.

This one is being professional: she gave you the clear message "Don´t mess with me. I am working and being a professional here."

In my opinion the first one had comfort issues when you approached and you got her off guard. So work on comfort. The second one you can next: she gave you the clear message that she is working and does not want/cannot let you in.

>Im unsure if I should let it go/withdraw NEXT or break rapport ish type of >push pull compliment to gauge attention and push the interaction when >this happens.

Risk taking is always good still.. you need to also be good in investing your energy to avoid loss of time. Time is gold in business and... sarging. I would say with the first one you can try to build more comfort and with the second one risk taking would carry a cost of opportunity which is too big especially if there are other nice girls around.

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Like to hear from Franco and you guys who have experienced this and noticed.

I dont usually get this but Im not sure if it has to deal with type of woman, or the mindset of detecting that reaction when the girl is not reacting at all towards you period.

I usually get noticed by women, they hold eye contact or even initate eye contact with me and hold it.

but most latin women intially they avoid eye contact or look down like avoiding at all cost eventhough we are talking.

Its something not to obesess about but Id like to hear your thoughts on how you see this and can be talked about.

is it a physical shite test for you to do something or is it basically not interested and NEXT....

this would be very intersting to hear.
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by papa sandros » Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:48 am

Thank you Franco,
I find it weird. but it makes sense. Some women dont want so I NEXT.
YEs the field taught me stuff and Im glad you can tell me its true about physical shit test.
Thank you talk soon
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Hey Tripp,
sorry Ive been away.
Np. I've been super busy too.
Ive been studying for an exam and went to interviews.Its alot of stuff.
That's good though.
I think we have a couple of minutes left to talk.
1. Daygame: I do daygame usually when Im doing things. Ive been having better louder sound in my voice due to rehersing karaoke.lol.
Good. A more solid voice is always a good thing.
I noticed here in Miami, latin women arent that friendly.
couple of things happen with hired guns here is: They avoid eye contact.women whether cashier or bank teller or supermarket checkout girl.
Hmm. Avoiding eye contact is very bad for a hired gun. That means those employees don't give a shit about their job. "Hired guns" are just that, girls that are hired because of their looks but are also required to be social. Of course, the jobs you mention here, most of those girls look at those jobs as just "filler", basically meaningless. A paycheck and that's it. When you think of "hired guns", think more of strippers and waitresses. Things like that. Those women had a purpose when they got those jobs. To look good to make money.
Even though I throw my voice and eliciting IOI's by bodylanguage.
Ok, how do you mean you're eliciting IOI's by body language? What are you doing?
They avoid eye contact, its like superficial rapport.
this has happend several ocassions.
So today went to bank teller to explain about an account I had in NY and that I owed money to the bank, I moved here in FL.
Well, talking to a bank teller about an old account you owe money on . . . isn't exactly high value, lol.

She was really pretty, I did bodylanguage and smiled but not too much...threw in 2 DHVs to create attraction "I had this account when I lived in NY,now moved here to Miami but was away US, so Im trying to catch up from traveling" since She wasnt really listening to me...still no reaction....Whoa...whats wrong?
From what it sounds to me, probably wondering how you traveled if you owe money on a bank account. Or thinks you're irresponsible to travel while owing money on a bank account. Just my take from what I'm reading, bro.

its daygame and I was thinking ok,its usually rapport based attraction...

she had green eyes, I thought mysterys are they real or throw in a joke but at that point it was time to bounce.
I don't see that working in this particular situation.

the other ones gave no chance of even building rapport nor eye contact..

its weird. then I bumped into this article which explained how women here are.http://www.seductionscience.com/2010/south-beach-miami/

""The women are not particularly friendly. Not mean. But not really friendly either. Picking up by being a laid back, “nice guy” won’t cut it. Expect blow out after blow out and stay in the set no matter what until you turn them around. It’s intense and a rush, but don’t expect to just breeze on in and pull girls with little effort.""

I dont like nightgame and I havent been doing any nightgame either.
I did have few intereactions w women to hook up online but thats fools mate.
Ok, I understand not liking night game since it's not for everyone, but the LEARNING curve is MUCH faster when learning night game. But, why do you not like fool's mate?

I wanted your thoughts on daygame and some suggestions from sticking points. here mentioned and would be great addition to talk.
Daygame uses the same attraction switches as night game, but it's a much different pace. Night game is about the fastest pace you'll find. Day game is much slower in a way, but you also have to realize that during the day, women have this "to do" list in their head, so may not be too open to talking then either. They are thinking, "I need to get this and this and this done. I don't have time to talk." Other women are just leisurely taking their time because they HAVE plenty of time. You have to calibrate to each of those.
Im taking my exam 1st week in December, was going to take it in november cause its very broad.

Lets talk soon,
thanks,
We should be able to talk soon. I may be able to squeeze 30 minutes in this week. I've got a really busy week. And I've got my first book signing this Saturday, plus Thanksgiving Thursday and all that.

FR: SNL fuckup at CVS franco and JESSE Charger comments on sticking points

It was Saturday, around midnight I was coming from a party and went to local CVS/Walgreens to buy a marker.
I went in and was for a few minutes as I turn at the end of the aisle a girl with her PJ on makes sexual eye contact and I smile and she smiles back.
she was entering the aisle as I was turning so distance between each other was less than 3 feet away from personal space.She hold eye contact as I hold it as well and I smiled back. I at first didnt realize it until seconds later that I should have apparoched.
then as Im fighting with myself to talk with her and what to say or go direct or whatever stupidity that was keeping me.
I went towards the cashier to pay and she is with her cart at the aisle and she is looking at me from a far playing wiht her hair or IOIing.


it was 12:15 am.
I wait abit as Im looking for change or whatever and pay.
I go out and think what to do , and was texting myself as asking myself what to do in midst of uncertainty.

I felt I was now being creepy if I approached her as I'm outside the store, but it was clear at that moment that that type of IOI and sexual energy from her and me towards her at this time of night is looking for company aka sex.

I see her leave in her car and as I at the light she gets next to my car in her car,we get to the light and next to each other in our cars and its obvious that I should do something.
I get a text from a friend out of the blue and tell him whats going on, he LOL'd cause he never had that happen to him.
Anyways,
I didnt open nor approached , I hesitated and didnt know if I was creepying her out.

I know masculinity was what was going to take to make this work and waht she was waiting for.
next she turns and say fuck it,



Then she reepears next to me in her car, I didnt find courage to turn my head or what to do again we are at stop light already blocks away from the store.
then we drive near the motels section of miami and she gets in front of me and turns to right. then as I drive I she she turned and was waiting or had been waiting half a block.
Anywyas I was confused whether she thought I was following her or theres something wrong with my inner game or way of thinking when some girl opens that window to have sex or IOI's without my doing anything.




Afterwards I wanted to beat myself up cause I didnt do anything which was stupid of me cause this never happened to me.


Typical community advice poisons men's minds by saying we have to try hard to get women.When there can be situation where you dont have to do anythign but talk to her and pace and lead to sex.

I think it would have been awful calibration if i NEGGED the woman for looking at me sexually rather than use that energy of sex and escalate.

Still I would like to hear anyone would have done in this situation feel free to comment aby observations

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>Typical community advice poisons men's minds by saying we have to try hard to get women.When there >can be situation where you dont have to do anythign but talk to her and pace and lead to sex.

Exactly. What happened was a "dead approach invitation." What she was doing was giving you an approach invitation. When a woman gives an approach invitation you have a few seconds to respond. At that point instead of messing with your own brain thinking "what kind of technique" I can use on this girl you simply get rapport and open.

>I think it would have been awful calibration if i NEGGED the woman for looking at me sexually rather >than use that energy of sex and escalate.

Agree. If you neg a woman who is giving you an approach invitation you are doing a miscalibration. She is doing something positive, she is showing interest. Negging her on that is a mistake.

>Still I would like to hear anyone would have done in this situation feel free to comment aby observations
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One can be busy with other stuff and not have the time to react on approach invitations. The best way of dealing with approach invitations is to either respond with rapport under seconds or not respond ad all and forget her. If you do not respond fast on approach invitation you have lost the chance but that does not need to become an obsession!Cheers, Franco
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Well how about just "hi"? Always works for me...


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I hesitated cause the night before I tried taking a girl I met to a Motel here in miami to have sex and she freaked out when I took her there, eventhough minutes before at the beach that night I was fingering and making out with her.
Weird or my miscalibration?

I think that this particular situation was because you pushed to fast, but without possibility of real close... The girl probably knew the sex was coming, but the way you approached the seduction may have been too pushy (not enought pulling).

Also what I'd suggest to you, in general, (and this might contradict a lot of other literature) is when you are under too much pressure, just let the opportunity pass and relax. You are just not ready at this specific time. The best think to do it to start from small talk with somebody with who you can communicate to avoid and to get used to pressure, so later you can do a normal approach.

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I wanted to edit the name of this post to
"FR:missed casual encounter for sex at latenight drugstrore"

I would have said hi,

I know this I fucked up , but I know its on and we are at a drugstore and she is horny...and we are both in cars so I never had this issue.

I'm sure I didnt need to makeout necesarily, but needed to subcommunicate sex is going to happen but not verbalize it and timebridge to share a late night dessert together and BOOM close..

in the past,pregame I pick-up a girl from a pharmacy and she was outside waiting , I offered her a ride cause it was late and bad neighbourhood.
she gave me a hesitant physical shit test and I acted cool.I was casual not wanting anything just chillin', minutes in the car I bought and invited her beer from the store, we cruised around for 20 minutes and I remember I AFC'd and I asked her where you want to go? and she said anywhere,I dont mind...I assumed and took her straight to motel and she fucked me hard and wanted more and more.That was one of the night I will never forget.
I never saw her again cause when a week later passed by , she was with a man.her BF or husband whatever.

I never had a chance to ask her for her phone.


I also had a woman whom I met and she gave me physical shit test before going up to her place,we both didnt have time for a date and just met her, I texted her to meetup and called her, I told her that "its too bad that we wont be able to see each other that we are both busy? " she then went horny sexual on the phone about her wanting to suck my cock...I just responded
"you are something arent you what am I going to do with you ? "
( in a deep sexual tone of voice ) I told her where she lives by and she told me, then I asked her
"how many minutes do you need to get ready?" she said 15, I said cool and hanged up.

I took a shower , I made sure to look sexy, got there called her...she wasnt that cute but she was ready to go by her vibe and on the phone.
she was stalling and I just spoke with a deep voice and noticed her congruence testing me non verbally,physical shit test ,
I just stared at her with eye contact with a sly sexy smile...and she invited me up....I was talking to her for abit about myself and as she opened the door to her appartment she got on her knees and wanted to suck on my dick, I unziped my jeans and she was sucking it like it was delicious candy.
we had sex and I remmember I made her squirt and she wanted anal, iwas partially leading but she was just out of control horny and I LOVED IT! We dirty talked and I aksed her if she wanted to cocks inside her and I used a dildo to DP her while I was inside her...she said it was amazing..
afterwards. I never saw her again.eventhough I exchanged emails her telling that we should do it again sometime...but she was supposed to move to midwest soon so we lost touch.

Last encounters like this when you asked about her afterwards or kindah seeking rapport....it make it look really needy and clingy.
The girl would get turned off I guess, So I dont do that.



Im surprised anyone hasnt posted any comments here,has this not ever happend to anyone? a casual encounter for sex ?

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Sandee, I'm going to answer your first post.


Now that you're thinking about this girl in retrospect, it's obvious she was down for sex and she was giving you lots of huge, blatant IOIs and signals.


And you're kicking yourself that you did nothing to respond, playing it cold instead.


I think you had a mismatch in energies. She was in a very outward state, and you were in a very inward state, inside your head. You probably weren't smiling and thinking about an intellectual task at hand.


It would be like as if you were doing math problems and deep in thought, and then suddenly found yourself teleported into a dance club. You'd be thrown off, and freeze up.


It's best if when you're out you have that "inner smile" and checking out the chicks and horny and ready for anything and everything to go down.


But it's so rare and strange that girl is just ready to fuck like a female dog in heat, that we get lazy about being in an outward state.


So what's my advice to you ultimately in this case? My suggestion is that perhaps the problem occurred BEFORE you ever got to the CVS.


So is there anyway your state and mindset could have been different when you casually go out, so that when this opportunity arises, you're mentally ready to take advantage of it?

FR Random woman in gasoline station tell me in a sexual way "I bite really HARD"

Hey Ive been extremely busy with studying for exam but Ive run into simliar situations and tonight it happend again.

Gas station:
woman in front is fake red head type 27 yr old *7-8*scale
she was talking to the cashier who is a woman also, and I was behind her at the line.She was kind of tipsy yet kept asking the cashier if she got something to eat, which I found weird in my opinion.I was behind her at the line and didnt notice people was waiting to be attended.

she turned around and said, "Oh Im sorry, go ahead..... i dont bite"

I smiled at her as she made eye contact and then she said "well actually I bite...I bite HARD in real life" in a horny flirtacious-semi serious sort of way.

The guy behind me was blushing as he was buying a beer was just laughing and turning red.

I just smirked back and didnt know what the fuck to say cause honestly she could have been lightly drunk or buzzed..yet she was being flirtacious and bit sexual...
and its like 7pm at a gas station in FL.

I just smirked and smiled but couldnt figure out in my head right after she threw that.I was in a tired state, didnt react properly.

how many times do women flirt out the bat like that?


If I neggged her or "teased"her...not sure, cause it would be punishing her and sorta awkward sorta making it a big deal.
yet I could have just framed it as her wanting to get in my pants ...which is kindah obvious maybe

I dont know, I think studying has been on my mind more logical that makes you rusty in seduction scenarios.

Still, If you were at a gas station 7pm,a woman turns around

looks like this:

tells you I bite in real life in a subtle sexual way at a gas station..WWYD?

how to escalate this, I know if I ask on a date is certainly a flake, I think going for a seduction is better IMO, but this is a gas station at 7pm and I had similar if you read at a 24 hr store aswell and I didnt know what to do.

What would you do if this woman does that.
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by Franco » Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:33 am

Hello Sandros,

This is beautiful. You are being dominant on her and she reacts dominant back. This is a huge sexual innuendo from her.

See when you run direct game like this then you cannot end it. You gotta go all the way long with it even if there are other people around.

Here you should go on with more dominance and try to have her into a semi-isolated place in the venue because.. you cannot know for how long she will be able to run that game with you before she gets worried about the judgment of the people around.

This is what I would do:

>she turned around and said, "Oh Im sorry, go ahead..... i dont bite"
>I smiled at her as she made eye contact and then she said "well actually I >bite...I bite HARD in real life" in a horny flirtacious-semi serious sort of way.

If I would have some food in my hand bought at the bar or whatever eatable like for example a chocolate bar I would politely withdraw a little bit. Sit at table. With my finger would order her to sit down close to me and then put the chocolate bar in front of her nose and say "Bit this then" and proceed with the sarge.

Or I would use even more cocky and funny like "My name is Spock, Mr. Spock, nice to know you. On your Planet we do not feel bites anyway come to sit there with me and tell me more about the inhabitants of this Planet" while telling this I would grab her hand and literally try to have her come to a table.

And let the guy behind me faint .. who cares?:)

>If I neggged her

NO! Never neg a girl who gives you such a sexual innuendo. Just help her become submissive.

>or "teased"her...not sure, cause it would be punishing her

No, if you tease her while leading her where you want then you are being more dominant than her and increase her horniness. You will know very fast if she is willing to be submissive and if her "bite" was sexual or not because.. if she is a masculine dominant bitch at that point she will not comply to your leading and maybe even try to offend you.

At which point you simply turn around and.. leave without a word.

If the sexual innuendo was real she will become more submissive when you become more dominant and follow you.

>and sorta awkward sorta making it a big deal.
>yet I could have just framed it as her wanting to get in my >pants ...which is kindah obvious maybe

Yes this would have been a good one.

You: "Hmm.. you look like hungry. Come to bite now but remember: only biting and nothing else!"

>I dont know, I think studying has been on my mind more logical that >makes you rusty in seduction scenarios.

Yes studying is a huge trip into down time mode and one needs uptime mode to sarge.

Still, If you were at a gas station 7pm,a woman turns around

>What would you do if this woman does that.

Play along and be only slightly more dominant than her and lead her at the same time where I want her to be.

When you do direct game then you gotta be congruent and go on with the direct stuff all the way long till she submits.

Cheers, Franco
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Jesses comments:

haha, that sucks being taken off guard like that and being tongue-tied.

First, she took a big "risk" and you've got to take a big "risk" back. Like say, "Heeeyyy Girl!" Like you already KNOW her. And then give her a BIG HUG.

PULL HER IN, and WHISPER sexy into her ear. "God, you turn me on..."

And keep in mind this advice,

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Being ‘Liked’ By Girls Doesn’t Get You Laid!… And Why Guys Fail In Dating
November 9th, 2010 by Jesse Charger

99% of guys come into pickup from the frame: “I want to be LIKED by girls.”

What they do is they putter around for YEARS being a “nice guy” trying to be liked by girls.

Yes, they learn theory, tricks, and tactics, but ultimately they remain “nice guys”.

……..They don’t interrupt conversations at the bar and take them over.

……..They don’t approach because they think the girl might have a boyfriend and they don’t want to get in the way.

……..They don’t look girl’s body up and down and get their creep on because they want to be a “gentleman”.

……..They don’t pull the girl in and grab her ass to get their faces slapped.

……..They use routines to say “the right things” to make the girl laugh, but not offend her or challenge her.

When you want to get better with girls, it’s quite an understandable impulse to want to be “Liked”.

But you know the best way to be LIKED by everyone? Kiss ass. Supplicate. Make your voice quiet and accommodating. Don’t take up space. Be helpful. Say funny things to make the girls laugh. Tell people what you think they want to hear. Mold your opinions to theirs. And NEVER show your sexual intentions lest you creep someone out.

That’s exactly how you get LIKED by everyone. But it doesn’t get you LAID.

If you want to get LAID, you have to let go of being liked all the time and start getting in people’s faces and start stepping on toes.

To get laid, you’re going to need to become an I-come-first, troublemaking Rake to overturn the natural order, with a smile.

That means leering at girls and openly undressing her with your eyes as you talk to them.

That means telling girls upfront that they’re hot, even if the guy standing next to her could be her boyfriend.

That means loudly interrupting a group at a bar and taking over the conversation.

That means pushing yourself on an interested girl, even is her cock-blocking friends are screaming at you and giving you the finger.

Game and pickup and having sexual abundance is NOT about being liked. It’s about making girls wet between the legs because of your reckless persistence and unapologetic sexuality, even if that means pissing off half the people on the planet.

If you’re in this to be LIKED you’re in the wrong field of study.

If you’re relying on routines to be LIKED by the girls, you’re coming from a bad place.

If you’re opening timidly and hiding your intentions to ensure that you’re LIKED, you’re going to fail.

And MOST guys who come into this game will learn a little theory and then putter around for YEARS… and YEARS… trying to make girls LIKE them.

And they NEVER get over their approach anxiety. Because that need to be liked is *THE* source of your approach anxiety.

Only when you decide to drop all the “I hope this make her like me” phony, not-you gimmicks and instead begin to openly and unapologetically get your CREEP ON with girls, only then will the approach anxiety fall away and girls begin REACTING to you as a sexual caveman and Rake who goes for what he wants.

Reckless Game teaches you just that, to Recklessly take action, to Recklessly persist, and to Recklessly express your core desires as a man, regardless of being “liked”.

So remember, this is not about being LIKED, this is about getting LAID and keep in mind the difference.

Leave a comment below and let me know your experience!

~ Jesse

Having sex with girls outside of your place, Im STUCK! Logistics

Im having this issue.

When its time to close and she seems horny and have sex its usually not at the seduction location.

Than when I am thinking about taking her to a place like to enter the motel, she freaks out and gets major LMR.

I cant take her to my place cause Im temporaily sharing it with someone while school starts again for me to move out on my own.

Also I tried in the car but it isnt comfortable at all.

in the past I never got LMR like this but its predictable a girl would get freaked out when she enters a motel and starts feeling like a slut.

last girls didnt care about motel they were really horny and I just took them.

but Im now finding that a problem when I have made out and touched her sexually and she is turned on and it isnt at the seduction location.

She gets honry or throws sexualinnuendo at me and is horny and cant figure what to do .....and if we driving somewhere and I drive in to motel.

Its kindah funny but frustrating......

I'd like to ask any experienced guys out there who have had to deal with such problem.

once I move out , and get girls to my place would be smoother pickup.

Im encountering this issues cause in the past if I let it pass and leave it for a date, her attraction dissapates and i dont hear from girls...So I decided once its on and they get all sexual then I should go for the Fast seduction.

any insight would help thanks.-


PS: I'm probably not keeping her sexually aroused on the drive to the motel.


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The only perfect solution to this is to get your own place.

One solution: you pull her into your car and just finger her or do oral sex. And then the NEXT time you meet up with her, pull her to a cheap motel. She'll be cool with it by then. It does add extra steps.

Or just don't tell her where you're going, just say "Let's Go". When you get to the motel, tell her that you LIVE in the motel temporarily because you're moving just to get her inside the door. That's just BS to turn off her objections. She'll see once you get inside that you're not living there, but at least you're inside.
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I noiced doc holliday uses the bathrroom and I treid that and it doesnt work at times, most consistent is your place ala janka.

Adam lyons posted a video and he mentioned changin plans and watching a movie pull....

but only time I had work is when girl was already attracted...I remeber HB susan saradon FB, who told me she wanted to go somewhere with me provate, we did it in a hotel. also the black girl in DR , I picked her up due to safety and I dorve around abit and bought her beer we talk for 15 minutes and drove to motel and she fucked me.

so these scenarios are possible...just have to lead and pump her state.
LA Tripp pointed out :


Good. I know society would have you think escalation is creepy, but it's only creepy if you do it in a creepy way. Escalation is normal and life won't progress without it ;)

i think alot of sticking points in my head would clear out once I move the fuck out.
Yes, moving out will help a lot, this is true. However, you still have to take responsibility and personal power over your life. And that starts within your own head. Who leads your life? Who makes your decisions for what directions you will go? Who decides what you wear, what you watch, what you listen to, where you go, what you eat, who your friends are, what you will do with your life? The answer to all of those questions SHOULD be YOU.

Also, I know you said about logistics in closing doesnt matter. Which is true based on arrousing the girl and pulling back.
Nope, based on arrousing, spiking her BT. Pulling back is just to calibrate and raise the BT more.

I just fucking wonder I am going to have to experiment closing women to the motel , i might have to frame it as "an adventure we both want" and spiking her BT by usisng positive framing how spontaneous and adventurous we can both be.
Yes, it ALL depends on the frame which YOU set with the girl.




CJ says :

. Ask her “What’s on the agenda for later?”

This one needs some explaining. A lot of PUAs think this is about Logistics. It isn’t. In fact, Logistics aren’t nearly as important as everyone believes. Shocking? Not really

Do you think that’d change things a bit?

Logistics matter LESS and LESS the more interested and turned on she is… I used to let logistics derail me. Now, I hardly even pay attention.

Can they fuck you up? Sure. They used to fuck me up all the time. Then, I discovered “Drunk-n-Lonely Texting.”

Focus on getting her to really, really see you as a liberator of her sexual frustrations and SHE will handle the logistics for you.

The purpose of the question is to establish in her mind that you have probably sexual intent AND you are seeking a way to create an opportunity.



comments :

TheWolfHowls - pay attention. This is exactly how I feel about the whole logistic deal, as you know. Like I said before, if you keep thinking in this logistic frame of mind, you are most likely creating barriers that didn't exist in the first place.

As for the rest of the post, it's not that I really disagree with what he is saying, but I hate the way it is presented. But you all already knew that
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Its just to much stuff to remember, these logistics only cloud the mind with unnecessary do do!

What most guys dont realize is its really simple! There is no need to over complicate things, with step by step scenario guides..

Wow.. This post was a total head fuck.. I need a glass of water

Daygame hesitation sticking points :I noticed a pattern

I only do daygame.
and most scenarios have to do with either being somewhere and seeing a woman hot doing random errands and I get clueless at times to open them.
I dont go to coffee shops and bookstores just for pickup, I got ton of stuff to do and I think I should have an ability to be somewhere and get a chance to get to know a girl.

A scenario is today I saw was :

Gas station I was pumping gas and the car
the car behind me a hot woman comes out and goes in to pay and then goes to pump her gas into her car , she looks elsewhere doesnt notice me..I try to go open and hesitate...dont open F-K!


Library: Im standing looking for a book standing infront of bookshelf looking at books,I notice a cute girl looking at me ,
I look and notice her looking at me and catch her eye.....I hesitate and look away back into looking into bookshelf and she leaves....F-K!

Outside Supermarket:
I was driving by talking w my brother in my car a notice a woman who is corner who walks out of a local mini mart...I drive by slow and she then stands in the corner to cross , she stares and then I smile she smiles back with a sexual vibe and I drive away....its like we exchanged sexual eye contact....


I noticed from this and other posts before that Im constantly hesitating to open, Its ok to be caught off guard but now its becoming more and more often these scenarios and Im not doing something about it and its frustrating.


[QUOTE=Jesse Charger;4853]For day game, it can help to feel that *inner fury*.

"I will chase this girl down to the ends of the Earth, no matter what it takes" feeling. But still chilled and relaxed about it. So that you have that masculine drive...

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It makes sense Jesse, I tried this out and yes, you are right my state fluctuates a bit. about the masculine drive...I just happened read this other Post article you wrote:



[QUOTE=Jesse Charger;4853]Here’s What NOT to Do

The thing is, most guys do the exact OPPOSITE. They would secretly love to date a tanned blonde more than anything, but whenever they see one, they put their heads down and pretend not to notice her. And they NEVER express their desires.....

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AHA! Yes this is whats wrong

I see a girl have passion for her and social anxiety kicks in... and I then cockblock myself at times and hesitate. put my head down pretend not to notice her and look away..
I like how you put this cause it makes sense...
Excellent ,thank you guys.

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Youre not the only guy who has seen an opportunity and didnt approach. I have done it so many times so dont beat yourself over the the head.

For me pickup begins at each morning when I get out of bed. I shower, shave look at myself in the mirror tell myself how handsome and sexy I am. I head to the station make small talk with old lady at the bus stop. Get onthe bus pay for my ticket do some small talk with the bus conductor.

Get of the bus head to the coffee shop. Chat to the girl behind the counter about her day so far. Head to work on the train.

By this time I am already in a "social vibe". In my experience once you are switched to a social vibe its easier to move to sexual vibe.

Take every opportunity to make conversation with people around you. To get yourself into a social vibe. Constantly talk to different people during the day. Even to women you dont fancy.

Some guys in the community have this ego thing. Oh I only smooth talk to hot women. Guys who do that end up having a tool to talk to hot girls but it never really becomes part of their personality. Once it becomes a tool which is not part of them they find it harder to switch on when they see a girl they really do fancy.


Hope this helps
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Yeah, I agree with, FM..I have stalled/hesitated many times and still do.
But, I also do the things FM does by being friendly with as many people as possible.
Here's my moto:
Be friendly and flirt with ALL women. This includes TOUCHING the women. (Handshake, squeeze her hand, touch her shoulder, etc.)
Yes, I can see it as developing momentum as soon as I wake-up.

TM

FR:Girl lonely at a bar at 3am and I get AMOGd by chodes

Hello Sandros,

First of all get rid of negative frames like "failed seduction" they stuff your mind with emotions which impair your game.

There is no failure: only feedback.

let´s examine the feedback we can get from this case:

papa sandros wrote:
This FR is very very RAW I worte it out of bein a littel upset and tipsy...and its unedited.

>then she said she was looking for the bartender that told >her that he wanted to fuck her in a direct way....She siad >guys being direct turned her on.....I was like that sounds >cool but he isnt here tonight ...

This can mean two things:

1. She is telling you how to seduce her = she wants you to be a direct mother fucker in order to have her agree to have sex with you.

or ( this is more likely to be true)

2. She is a cock teaser..

The strategy is different depending on which one of the two.

>she said she wasnt happy and unemployed.
>I DIDNT KNOW HOW TO RESPOND WO COMING OFF TOO >SUBSERVIANT and TURN IT INTO A POSITIVE THING

When a girl gives you a too over sexual clue stop talking about anything connected with sex. If she is a cock teaser she will use that to betaise you.

Instead work on the principle: "Don´t explicate, demonstrate"

I would comment to this like

"Oh nice to hear that the guy wants you to have a great time"

And then I would stop any discussion connected with sex and focus on isolating her.

The asshole part of me I would put out when we are in isolation.


>so I just said" Im student now so its kidah hard on myself >too ,just waiting to finish"
>as I went into asking if she read cosmo to transition to >transition into sex talk she says NO! and she is more of GQ >girl and grew up with liking guys stuff... I DIDNT KNOW >HOW TO RECOVER !

She is telling you she is a masculine girl, maybe Daddy´s daughter.

This is the kind of girl who likes to be taken by a muscular gym teacher who teaches her how to pump iron and then fucks her.

If... she is not cock teasing you.. see there are Freak girls around who enjoy getting the guys to the edge of their sexual desire and then.. disappear.

>I said Im going to restroom be back and she said she go out >for a smoke..
>I came back and chodes were surrounding her.. CHODE >LEERING and PEERING

Giving her the attention she was craving for when she went to the bar. Notice: I said attention, not sex.

>I intro myself and they left play pool...for now ...but they >keep looking over in spectator mode.
>since I noticed her IOI another guy chode amogs
>to spike her BT I took out my fake 80's DG sunglasses and >put it on her
>and seed the timebridge with friend and afterhours,
>"I want you to come with me it will be fun", she said no I >cant I live nearby and I m just hanging out ..... ( yeah >hanging out at 3am
>what are you talking about?!)

Ok you could have said: "I am sure you have a nice kitchen. Let´s go to have a look at your kitchen" See the only way to f.close her is to have her away from the place she gets attention.. if she refuses isolation in spite of a very self-confident approach from you that means she will be there all the night fishing for attention and "maybe" go for the sex .. or go home alone.


>THE AMOG SCENE : then I fluff talk but she kept looking >around and "whsperer amog" comes to side he doesnt know >her, whisperes in her ear she looks at me and she laughs >and looks at him...

Well she is playing the field for attention. See, remember this: for women and especially of the Freak type attention is far more important than sex.

You need to remember on what she focuses in her game..

>I then interupt and introduce myslef ..he doesnt comply >and walks off but keeps looking at her while he is playing >darts ...
>I start preping and SOI, she then starts feeling tension from >getting all female attention from the venue and she keeps >looking at pool table and darts side while Im talking to her...
>I then say " HEY! look at me Im talking to you! HELLO!" kind >of in a dominant way ( NOT SURE ITF THIS IS OK OR FUCK >UP)
>she says like "yes" she looks right at me ...I go into story on >female sex or natural women patter type improv I was doing >and
>I told her to "OK, lets go gt out of here"
>she was like " Im staying here sorry Im not thet type of girl"

See: fishing for attention. She is the same girl who told you that the bartender told he wants to fuck her and that she likes direct men.

So: she is cock teasing you. Using the sex hook to get attention..

>I was like " Shut up! shut up right now! I think your are >cute and want to be with you"
>whisperer taps on her shoulder to come play darts ...
>keeps whisperering again and I say "dude whats up man! " in >a pissed way a little but subcommunication of wtf are you >doing?!
>he wonders off but keeps looking...
>she looks at me hard eye contact like sexual tension >building but says
>" last time I had a one night stand I ended up in a >relationship , Im just going to play darts and pool with the >boys"

Ok she wants to make sure that if she has sex you will not become the jealous possessive boy who stalks her..

amoggs came to check in and say "is everything alright?" I said yes and she just looked and he left but kept leering...

>I said " Do you want to come with me? I really like to fuck >you in the ass" and smiled with a smirk ala benicio del toro >in traffic
>she stared at me for congruence test and said
>"I'd really like that ...but Im not going to do that "

Ok she told you plain that she is enjoying the teasing game she is doing in the bar and the attention of the boys and having fun cock teasing guys.

Next time a girl tries to cock tease you with sex what you have to do is to shift the game to something boring and neutral like financial news and politics and then escalate on her with your kino without saying a word about sex.

She asks: "What you are doing?" when you touch her hand

You say: "I think next year the financial forecast is getting better" and put your hand on her ass..

If you do not verbalize SEX or anything else she will be forced to submit to kino of push you away which will ruin her need for communication and need for cock teasing you..

>" So, Im going to go play pool now.."
>I was like " You are soo full of shit ; ) " and I left...kindah >of upset and yet didnt pull....

Now nice to be cock teased.. next time you will be better with cock teasers.


Jesse comments:

[QUOTE=Jesse Charger;4747]Cool, she's giving you tips how to get her.

Just ignore it. don't react.

You handled this okay. Just ignore him.

Breaking rapport tonality? Loud? That's the way to go.

Have you touched her yet? You should be touching her in some way pretty quickly into the interaction.


If you're going to give compliments late in the interaction, they should be either

a) hard core outrageous pimp talk. "Listen, I want to put my babies all up inside you"

OR

b) push pull. "Listen, I want to be with you. wait, what are you doing to me, you're putting me under some sort of spell... keep away from me... no wait... I love you"

Cool.

She likes you, but it's not such hard attraction that she's chasing you down. You need more touching, push pull compliments...

Damn, this guy is annoying me too.

Pimp talk. Great. But you need physical contact with it.

You did pretty well overall.... what about physical contact? Pure verbal game is difficult to get hard attraction with a girl.[/QUOTE]