DonRd:
@ barnes and nobles I saw book on erotic massage and on the cover
there was 2 nude people. So I got an idea to open a set- topicing that
I wanted to practice some massage, so first set, asain with
headphones, I say exuse me, I was looking thru this book and wanted to
know whether you'd like to practice some. She saw the book , made a
face and put her head phone back on.
Next set, it works out great, she was really Into the book as I showed
her a few pages, but I first opened her up with hey, I'm rod. Hand
shake. Then talked about the books she had. Then she I showed her.
We talked and she invited me to her art show. And boom! A cop and
fucking employee are behind me and they're telling someone complianed
because I asked her to try a few positions in the book. So they walked
me out.
Sandrospua:
yeah . you were running seduction with no comfort. its same thing as going direct on her. in legal terms its called sexual harassment.ofcourse security had to come if asian girl thought you were a sexual predator. run comfort first.if you want to run that shit atleast have eye contact prior opening her.
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Tuesday, April 19, 2011
Wednesday, March 30, 2011
Miami FRs stir crazy and playhouse tuesday
I think franctionation fucks me up and makes pickup harder on myself in the middle of comfort qualification.
cause I have to re engage her.they come back more aggressive stripper wanting a dance, fiending for money.
here in miami girls dance and then make rounds ask everybody in the club for tips if you dont tip they scream at you and give you an attitude to stay home.
My response was "I didnt see you dance" or "you arent my type" or
Im unreactive as she is screaming at me she tells me to be cheap to stay home.(latina and black women do this)
set jordanian from chicago
she is 33 yrs old recently moved from chicago ex bf cheated on her and she moved here months ago.
I ran cosmo routine and all and she seemed PRO, I find out she did this since 19 and traveled,
she at end tried to make me a customer to get a dance.
She talked about random shit and I made her talk about herself. it was a battle of topics. she didnt want to talk about herself.
I was talking abot what she likes in a man and shed talk but change topics
She complained about money I send her off she d come back she come as a different person
as if she forgotten all about our conversation
, at the end I told her to meet up outside and she was NO.
I said Laters. she want complying with sexy whisper in my ear cali pimp style.
I think franctionation fucks me up and makes pickup harder on myself cause I have to re engage her.they come back more stripper wanting a dance.I dont know what to say whne they complain about money.
philly noise ring girl
was super cool at start was receptive to Emotions and touching and all
and we were talking about eating afterwards.She agreed , she was feeling attraction and was chillin.
then she told me that she is visitng and that first night stripping in miami and that she travels drives from philly and she is going back tomorrow and she needs to amke money and place is DEAD.
I sent her to make money (fractionate ) there are like 3 chumps
she came back waaay later after her chillin at the bar with her friend (girl from phillly she drove with )
and going to the dressing room an
and she told me that she needed money.and when she came back she said I need you to help me , Im leaving soon
if you can get a dance with me ,
I said I told you im not a customer but lets go get a bite to eat like we planned. you know I dont want nothing from you just you seem cool girl and this conversation we have meeting you is rare thing you know , Cmon lets go eat my treat. :).
she said NO. Im just asking for a last dance cause Im leaving.
help me make money I need, tonoght was a shitty night.
I said nah Im not down with that dance thing Im not typical customer guy who comes in to watch chicks I came here to kill time remember.
No dance then fine,I'm leaving bye.
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I think fractionation in the middle of comfort is fucking me up.
another thing is that I have to get there late as fuck or shift change
its like the game goes smooth they get into it m then when they talk about money issues
I send them off to talk to other guys, they come back a different person.
then its an uphill battle.
they become pushy for a dance and they lie saying that they are being themselves and all
but they get super logical afterwards about money and financial situation sucks.
its like they are desperate for money eventhough its an off night they push hard.
not sure if I should start screening girls from pros and non pros
but this is what happened.
ny suggestions help
Miami is 7-8 times harder than Georgia.
cause I have to re engage her.they come back more aggressive stripper wanting a dance, fiending for money.
here in miami girls dance and then make rounds ask everybody in the club for tips if you dont tip they scream at you and give you an attitude to stay home.
My response was "I didnt see you dance" or "you arent my type" or
Im unreactive as she is screaming at me she tells me to be cheap to stay home.(latina and black women do this)
set jordanian from chicago
she is 33 yrs old recently moved from chicago ex bf cheated on her and she moved here months ago.
I ran cosmo routine and all and she seemed PRO, I find out she did this since 19 and traveled,
she at end tried to make me a customer to get a dance.
She talked about random shit and I made her talk about herself. it was a battle of topics. she didnt want to talk about herself.
I was talking abot what she likes in a man and shed talk but change topics
She complained about money I send her off she d come back she come as a different person
as if she forgotten all about our conversation
, at the end I told her to meet up outside and she was NO.
I said Laters. she want complying with sexy whisper in my ear cali pimp style.
I think franctionation fucks me up and makes pickup harder on myself cause I have to re engage her.they come back more stripper wanting a dance.I dont know what to say whne they complain about money.
philly noise ring girl
was super cool at start was receptive to Emotions and touching and all
and we were talking about eating afterwards.She agreed , she was feeling attraction and was chillin.
then she told me that she is visitng and that first night stripping in miami and that she travels drives from philly and she is going back tomorrow and she needs to amke money and place is DEAD.
I sent her to make money (fractionate ) there are like 3 chumps
she came back waaay later after her chillin at the bar with her friend (girl from phillly she drove with )
and going to the dressing room an
and she told me that she needed money.and when she came back she said I need you to help me , Im leaving soon
if you can get a dance with me ,
I said I told you im not a customer but lets go get a bite to eat like we planned. you know I dont want nothing from you just you seem cool girl and this conversation we have meeting you is rare thing you know , Cmon lets go eat my treat. :).
she said NO. Im just asking for a last dance cause Im leaving.
help me make money I need, tonoght was a shitty night.
I said nah Im not down with that dance thing Im not typical customer guy who comes in to watch chicks I came here to kill time remember.
No dance then fine,I'm leaving bye.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I think fractionation in the middle of comfort is fucking me up.
another thing is that I have to get there late as fuck or shift change
its like the game goes smooth they get into it m then when they talk about money issues
I send them off to talk to other guys, they come back a different person.
then its an uphill battle.
they become pushy for a dance and they lie saying that they are being themselves and all
but they get super logical afterwards about money and financial situation sucks.
its like they are desperate for money eventhough its an off night they push hard.
not sure if I should start screening girls from pros and non pros
but this is what happened.
ny suggestions help
Miami is 7-8 times harder than Georgia.
Sunday, March 27, 2011
FRs: 2 Georgia Strippers
FRs: 2 Georgia Strippers
March 26,2011
INTRO
So lately my state was down days ago cause in Miami I didn’t get approached by any girl except a black girl who asked me for tip,I had my back to the stage sitting infront of the bar. Then the last time before that one I was FR: chubby Cuban chick non pro set counting her money.
Anyways I was in ATL to do personal school stuff was busy most of the time.Im into red hair girls blondes and Southern accents.It was a good break from Latinas in Miami who give me headaches and drama.So before I left Georgia last night. I went to strip club and had 2 great sets.
1 is REDHAIR NON PRO and other
2 NYC Army chick
I messed up and couldnt close logistically the bounce.
PART 1 is REDHAIR NON PRO Stripper
So I arrived at the place and I sat down perfect location and made it look like I was the shit, I was super confident had a smile made eye contact with almost every girl and was dressed well in comparison to dive bar lounge type of strip club, this strip club wasn’t high class but the girls were TOP and HOT.
So I sit down and laid back I have a waitress get me red bull, and REDHAIR comes sits next to me, she says something and I use my ear signaling to talk louder to get closer.she does and she sits down next to me,
I cut her off and tell her “that accent” (push pull)
she says insecure “are you making fun of my accent”,
“you are from boston””that accent”
Her:I was born in Ohio but grew up here in Georgia. “are you making fun of my accent”,
Nah I like that accent ;) she laughs.
I tell her what color is your hair, she says auburn, I tell her what the color of my eyes, she says hazel and looks at me smilling, why are you looking at me that way please slow down woman! J
Anyways you seem chill and friendly tell me about yourself abit.she tells me about the dances and services and I tell her I stoped by until stops raining and I have to hit the road to Miami.
I cut her off again and told her to stand up “how tall are you?” got her to turn around a couple of times and bend over “ Pimp” style. She told me that she simple girl don’t go out much and all.Laid back.how she grew up all her life in Georgia and never left Georgia.she started saying that she was doing it for the money and that really is the worst stripper there cause the boss tells her she isn’t aggressive enough. And that she is laid back and stoped giving a shit about people said or thought about her.I qualified her about what you got going more than your looks, I say cool and go into a child story on how I had a crush on a red head girl in 5th grade and one day she left the school, everybody teased her but I thought she was cute and had a crush on her but never saw her again. She laughs and I qualify her again if she is being herself or trying to get me to like her and that Im not that easy is she being herself, she says she is and qualify her “where did personality come from” she didn’t want to tell me if she had sisters and brothers and she was reserved about her name.so I went into Cosmo pattern. (Captain Jack’s routine)
she said butterflies and we began eye contact each other and she told me I get stage fright when I look into someones eye,Im honestly insecure and I don’t usually talk like this to people I don’t talk much,I throw in a cold read on laid back and chill yet likes to enjoy being with her man. She says Ive been hurt and I dated a Mexican guy once but I got hurt and I don’t want to let anyone inside my heart anymore.
I asked her If she has ever tried a latin lover Brazilian guy before? She laughs
I went into incredible connection pattern with check in’s.
Puts her head against my chest. She Lets me caress her face and ask her do you feel comfortable with me,she said YES.
she was staring at me like about to make out but we were surround by music and people and chicks dancing naked in front of us,I offered her a drink and she said no thanks.I cant drink because I will be running to bathroom every minute.I laugh and tell her to stop being cool and funny I m starting to like her.
How about a drink outside since they don’t serve alcohol here.
She said “I get off by 1 am.” It was 10:30pm. What can you do to get off early I got to leave hit the road. She said I cant leave my shift I have to make money also . I sent her off to make money and come back . she does and says “ok I will go make rounds.”
Some chubby blonde waitress comes in aggressively start trying to touch my cock and starts flirting with me while REDHAIR is smoking and watching from afar,I get a water and I tip waitress on the table instead of her panties. Tried to get her off me ,cause she is being really aggressive and I didn’t want to make REDHAIR. jealous since I ran deep comfort.I haven’t given her a single dime .
RED HAIR watches from afar and Im alone like a dork. Im getting uneasy waiting for the bitch to come back and its been 15 minutes. Then REDHEAD comes in sits next to me and says she is dancing on the stage next, I tell her to talk to my ear cant hear her she whispers in my ear and I tell her to pretend she is a naughty girl and if she can say
“ I’m a naughty Georgia girl” I bite my lip and hairpull her she looks at me and suddenly they call her and goes on stage.
I look at her eye and not her body as she is dancing, she SUCKS at stage but shows her nice body. No guys tip her and I put some 3 dollars on the table near her. She finishes the dance and goes to thank all the guys who tipped her, she takes another 10 minutes I was like WTF. She comes back and she tells me that she sucks and that she isn’t into dancing on the pole. We then make fun of another chick dancing on the pole and has Peach or apricot on her chest, she laughs and then I qualify her being cool and being herself and she say “Im easy girl, you can take me anywhere and I would be fine” I reward her.
Then I get abit clueless where to go from there and ask her to ask for the time, she goes and its 11 something. I try to get her to bounce and says” I haven’t made enough money tonight I suck.”Amangement wont let me leave. Then I transition to tell me more about what attracts you to a guy you started to notice about him you become really attracted.She gets upset and uneasy and says
” I told you! I don’t know I just know , OK, I have to go do something “
She leaves pissed off and talks to guys at the door and goes to bathroom. I don’t see her anymore.
I don’t know what to do , I though it was going well and I thought to go bring her back to the table or tell her “please Im asking a question Im curious about you etc…” or “whats wrong babe come back”
But I instead let it go, I actually when we were before her dance we were deep comfort and thought it was on. Now she walks off pissed. I over did the elicitation of what feeling she feels and got uneasy and left. I thought she was super cool and we are both pisces and a week away from our birthdays. Our personality and clicked and I was attracted to her dude to her being herself and being feminine .FUCK!
I go to bathroom later and I see her with some Filipino guy who looks like Mr.M .lol in skater clothing playing pool , I look at him and he looks at me, she bends over for him to shoot the pool ball.
I walk by her but she doesn’t look at me and I decide not to talk to her. FUCK. I was feeling abit jealous cause I was building deep rapport with her. I felt One-it is feeling and I told myself go have fun.
Part 2 NYC Army Stripper
So I call waitress and go to bathroom. I make eye contact with some girls,So far Im most confident guy with a suave strut walk and smirk on my face. I go sit down and ask waitress to go bring REDHEAD to me, then a hot brunnete with lip piercing 6’11 thin swagger girl sits down and puts her hand on my leg and escalates,I say “HEY, SLOW DOWN”.
She then starts asking me my name I say “bamboo, I didn’t bring in my pull out pants tonight I’m on downlow” she laughs and
I say “yeah I am kindah of a BIG DEAL”
she says “Ohh you are funny and cocky”
I say : “Im glad you like it”and smile.
WAITRESS COMES IN AND TELLS ME TO BUY HER A DRINK
I say “I don’t know her she just sat down, we haven’t even talked yet ”
The WAITRESS TRIES TO BE RUDE and the chick says “its fine ” and humbly ARMY CHICK pays for it herself.
Theres a moment of silence and she looks down on the floor and look
She asks “do you have kids?”
ME: “well we could work on that, but I think its kindah early in the relationship to talk about it”
She flips out laughing and hits me on my chest.
She asks where Im from and she tells me she is from nyc originally and she has 2 kids (this hot chick is smoking hot and in shape tanned and all and she is like 21)
She starts opening up she is in the ARMY in Georgia and she dances for fun and make money. She seems super cool and wild party chick, I run COSMO pattern and she isn’t into it, I try again and she says “compatibility” I go “so what feeling is it when you know you are compatible with guy you know you are attracted to and knew its was on …in a very special way?”
she says “I just know”. She looks up and I touch her arm,and I say “ so it’s a gut feeling “
“yes “ I go for incredible connection pattern and she says I really don’t attach myself to guys I go out with guys and 3 weeks later I dump them, I like to do my own thing no control. We fluff talk and I make her laugh and tell her to stop turning me on,and I pull her hair BDSM style.I start using basic SNL frames with Fluff non judgemental no consequences,sex isn’t a big thing ,some guys are needy after sex.
and qualify her what makes her different from the other girls here. “that I can be myself ”.
She asked me that why am I dressed up well, I tell her I usually dress like this. She says “I usually don’t see a guy like you coming here” I say that’s sweet thanks. And smirk back. I make her whisper shit in my ear in a sexy way.
She then goes up for a dance. She opens her pussy on stage and does the pole shit, I was looking at her eyes and she would look down.I tip on the table 3 bucks and other girsl are just looking at me and smiling. She came back and told me she would go thank the guys for tips and someone tipped her 20 bucks or something. I felt she was on some drug, not drunk but on a downer. She seemed too ADD to build strong comfort used snl frames instead. And I only tried to arouse her with hairpull and touch and trying her to get her to tell me “Im a naughty ARMY girl”. I felt stuck with her cause I wouldn’t figure out how to sexual arouse her or what to do next.
When she comes back to sit down next to me I tell her to wait for me here as Im going to restroom real quick. As I come back she leaves her panties on my table and I see her afar
I see she is w some dude standing next to her and puts her arm round him like about to make out or sexually teasing him.
I felt myself abit Jealous and I drank my water and walked out.
March 26,2011
INTRO
So lately my state was down days ago cause in Miami I didn’t get approached by any girl except a black girl who asked me for tip,I had my back to the stage sitting infront of the bar. Then the last time before that one I was FR: chubby Cuban chick non pro set counting her money.
Anyways I was in ATL to do personal school stuff was busy most of the time.Im into red hair girls blondes and Southern accents.It was a good break from Latinas in Miami who give me headaches and drama.So before I left Georgia last night. I went to strip club and had 2 great sets.
1 is REDHAIR NON PRO and other
2 NYC Army chick
I messed up and couldnt close logistically the bounce.
PART 1 is REDHAIR NON PRO Stripper
So I arrived at the place and I sat down perfect location and made it look like I was the shit, I was super confident had a smile made eye contact with almost every girl and was dressed well in comparison to dive bar lounge type of strip club, this strip club wasn’t high class but the girls were TOP and HOT.
So I sit down and laid back I have a waitress get me red bull, and REDHAIR comes sits next to me, she says something and I use my ear signaling to talk louder to get closer.she does and she sits down next to me,
I cut her off and tell her “that accent” (push pull)
she says insecure “are you making fun of my accent”,
“you are from boston””that accent”
Her:I was born in Ohio but grew up here in Georgia. “are you making fun of my accent”,
Nah I like that accent ;) she laughs.
I tell her what color is your hair, she says auburn, I tell her what the color of my eyes, she says hazel and looks at me smilling, why are you looking at me that way please slow down woman! J
Anyways you seem chill and friendly tell me about yourself abit.she tells me about the dances and services and I tell her I stoped by until stops raining and I have to hit the road to Miami.
I cut her off again and told her to stand up “how tall are you?” got her to turn around a couple of times and bend over “ Pimp” style. She told me that she simple girl don’t go out much and all.Laid back.how she grew up all her life in Georgia and never left Georgia.she started saying that she was doing it for the money and that really is the worst stripper there cause the boss tells her she isn’t aggressive enough. And that she is laid back and stoped giving a shit about people said or thought about her.I qualified her about what you got going more than your looks, I say cool and go into a child story on how I had a crush on a red head girl in 5th grade and one day she left the school, everybody teased her but I thought she was cute and had a crush on her but never saw her again. She laughs and I qualify her again if she is being herself or trying to get me to like her and that Im not that easy is she being herself, she says she is and qualify her “where did personality come from” she didn’t want to tell me if she had sisters and brothers and she was reserved about her name.so I went into Cosmo pattern. (Captain Jack’s routine)
she said butterflies and we began eye contact each other and she told me I get stage fright when I look into someones eye,Im honestly insecure and I don’t usually talk like this to people I don’t talk much,I throw in a cold read on laid back and chill yet likes to enjoy being with her man. She says Ive been hurt and I dated a Mexican guy once but I got hurt and I don’t want to let anyone inside my heart anymore.
I asked her If she has ever tried a latin lover Brazilian guy before? She laughs
I went into incredible connection pattern with check in’s.
Puts her head against my chest. She Lets me caress her face and ask her do you feel comfortable with me,she said YES.
she was staring at me like about to make out but we were surround by music and people and chicks dancing naked in front of us,I offered her a drink and she said no thanks.I cant drink because I will be running to bathroom every minute.I laugh and tell her to stop being cool and funny I m starting to like her.
How about a drink outside since they don’t serve alcohol here.
She said “I get off by 1 am.” It was 10:30pm. What can you do to get off early I got to leave hit the road. She said I cant leave my shift I have to make money also . I sent her off to make money and come back . she does and says “ok I will go make rounds.”
Some chubby blonde waitress comes in aggressively start trying to touch my cock and starts flirting with me while REDHAIR is smoking and watching from afar,I get a water and I tip waitress on the table instead of her panties. Tried to get her off me ,cause she is being really aggressive and I didn’t want to make REDHAIR. jealous since I ran deep comfort.I haven’t given her a single dime .
RED HAIR watches from afar and Im alone like a dork. Im getting uneasy waiting for the bitch to come back and its been 15 minutes. Then REDHEAD comes in sits next to me and says she is dancing on the stage next, I tell her to talk to my ear cant hear her she whispers in my ear and I tell her to pretend she is a naughty girl and if she can say
“ I’m a naughty Georgia girl” I bite my lip and hairpull her she looks at me and suddenly they call her and goes on stage.
I look at her eye and not her body as she is dancing, she SUCKS at stage but shows her nice body. No guys tip her and I put some 3 dollars on the table near her. She finishes the dance and goes to thank all the guys who tipped her, she takes another 10 minutes I was like WTF. She comes back and she tells me that she sucks and that she isn’t into dancing on the pole. We then make fun of another chick dancing on the pole and has Peach or apricot on her chest, she laughs and then I qualify her being cool and being herself and she say “Im easy girl, you can take me anywhere and I would be fine” I reward her.
Then I get abit clueless where to go from there and ask her to ask for the time, she goes and its 11 something. I try to get her to bounce and says” I haven’t made enough money tonight I suck.”Amangement wont let me leave. Then I transition to tell me more about what attracts you to a guy you started to notice about him you become really attracted.She gets upset and uneasy and says
” I told you! I don’t know I just know , OK, I have to go do something “
She leaves pissed off and talks to guys at the door and goes to bathroom. I don’t see her anymore.
I don’t know what to do , I though it was going well and I thought to go bring her back to the table or tell her “please Im asking a question Im curious about you etc…” or “whats wrong babe come back”
But I instead let it go, I actually when we were before her dance we were deep comfort and thought it was on. Now she walks off pissed. I over did the elicitation of what feeling she feels and got uneasy and left. I thought she was super cool and we are both pisces and a week away from our birthdays. Our personality and clicked and I was attracted to her dude to her being herself and being feminine .FUCK!
I go to bathroom later and I see her with some Filipino guy who looks like Mr.M .lol in skater clothing playing pool , I look at him and he looks at me, she bends over for him to shoot the pool ball.
I walk by her but she doesn’t look at me and I decide not to talk to her. FUCK. I was feeling abit jealous cause I was building deep rapport with her. I felt One-it is feeling and I told myself go have fun.
Part 2 NYC Army Stripper
So I call waitress and go to bathroom. I make eye contact with some girls,So far Im most confident guy with a suave strut walk and smirk on my face. I go sit down and ask waitress to go bring REDHEAD to me, then a hot brunnete with lip piercing 6’11 thin swagger girl sits down and puts her hand on my leg and escalates,I say “HEY, SLOW DOWN”.
She then starts asking me my name I say “bamboo, I didn’t bring in my pull out pants tonight I’m on downlow” she laughs and
I say “yeah I am kindah of a BIG DEAL”
she says “Ohh you are funny and cocky”
I say : “Im glad you like it”and smile.
WAITRESS COMES IN AND TELLS ME TO BUY HER A DRINK
I say “I don’t know her she just sat down, we haven’t even talked yet ”
The WAITRESS TRIES TO BE RUDE and the chick says “its fine ” and humbly ARMY CHICK pays for it herself.
Theres a moment of silence and she looks down on the floor and look
She asks “do you have kids?”
ME: “well we could work on that, but I think its kindah early in the relationship to talk about it”
She flips out laughing and hits me on my chest.
She asks where Im from and she tells me she is from nyc originally and she has 2 kids (this hot chick is smoking hot and in shape tanned and all and she is like 21)
She starts opening up she is in the ARMY in Georgia and she dances for fun and make money. She seems super cool and wild party chick, I run COSMO pattern and she isn’t into it, I try again and she says “compatibility” I go “so what feeling is it when you know you are compatible with guy you know you are attracted to and knew its was on …in a very special way?”
she says “I just know”. She looks up and I touch her arm,and I say “ so it’s a gut feeling “
“yes “ I go for incredible connection pattern and she says I really don’t attach myself to guys I go out with guys and 3 weeks later I dump them, I like to do my own thing no control. We fluff talk and I make her laugh and tell her to stop turning me on,and I pull her hair BDSM style.I start using basic SNL frames with Fluff non judgemental no consequences,sex isn’t a big thing ,some guys are needy after sex.
and qualify her what makes her different from the other girls here. “that I can be myself ”.
She asked me that why am I dressed up well, I tell her I usually dress like this. She says “I usually don’t see a guy like you coming here” I say that’s sweet thanks. And smirk back. I make her whisper shit in my ear in a sexy way.
She then goes up for a dance. She opens her pussy on stage and does the pole shit, I was looking at her eyes and she would look down.I tip on the table 3 bucks and other girsl are just looking at me and smiling. She came back and told me she would go thank the guys for tips and someone tipped her 20 bucks or something. I felt she was on some drug, not drunk but on a downer. She seemed too ADD to build strong comfort used snl frames instead. And I only tried to arouse her with hairpull and touch and trying her to get her to tell me “Im a naughty ARMY girl”. I felt stuck with her cause I wouldn’t figure out how to sexual arouse her or what to do next.
When she comes back to sit down next to me I tell her to wait for me here as Im going to restroom real quick. As I come back she leaves her panties on my table and I see her afar
I see she is w some dude standing next to her and puts her arm round him like about to make out or sexually teasing him.
I felt myself abit Jealous and I drank my water and walked out.
Tuesday, March 22, 2011
FR strip club at BTs CoralGables on monday
I went out last night and I didnt get opened by the girls at all. for a Monday it was kindah packed. Girls were hot but when I came in I sat as in the attached diagram but I was turned sideways like not a customer and not a perv either.
I did get open by an unattractive black woman for a tip and told her
"Im just getting warmed up, Im actually here to kill time waiting for a friend to get out of his work to meet up here, but come back later"
as I was getting a sprite. and she responded "I'm also getting my night started" she walked away, whatever.
Then two hot blondes pale white kindah skanky abit or grungy with some tats they sat on near to me lighting up a cigarette in the bar but I was watching either my phone or TV (as a non customer) and they didnt open me its like they were on break before they went on stage. They neither appraoched me some dudes appraoched them , one was buying drinks of the bat and loudly talking being funny. the other guy was good looking and was talking to the chick and they were talking.
I then see the waitresses across from me and they look at me and they both laughed or chuckled, I was now in my head. I look at the time and I was in now for 30 minutes now in internal damage control of indesciveness of should i do something or should I go sit somewhere else. I admit had my back turned to stage watching TV or talking to bar man. I want to be proactive but get clueless.
I did get open by an unattractive black woman for a tip and told her
"Im just getting warmed up, Im actually here to kill time waiting for a friend to get out of his work to meet up here, but come back later"
as I was getting a sprite. and she responded "I'm also getting my night started" she walked away, whatever.
Then two hot blondes pale white kindah skanky abit or grungy with some tats they sat on near to me lighting up a cigarette in the bar but I was watching either my phone or TV (as a non customer) and they didnt open me its like they were on break before they went on stage. They neither appraoched me some dudes appraoched them , one was buying drinks of the bat and loudly talking being funny. the other guy was good looking and was talking to the chick and they were talking.
I then see the waitresses across from me and they look at me and they both laughed or chuckled, I was now in my head. I look at the time and I was in now for 30 minutes now in internal damage control of indesciveness of should i do something or should I go sit somewhere else. I admit had my back turned to stage watching TV or talking to bar man. I want to be proactive but get clueless.
Thursday, March 3, 2011
FR cuban stripper
FR HBcuban non pro stripper:
I went tonight cause I had an arguement and wanted to watch the a basketball game,ok so I wanted to game strippers as a self challenge.so I went cause I know a manager, he wasnt there and shift had just changed ,Its been awhile I havent set foot in a strip club.
there was a cuban voluptous 20 yr old really hot . we will call her HB Cuban Strip and I opened saying that
she has sexy way to her body its too bad she isnt a blonde. her body is soo my type but the hair color is off
(false disqualifier push -pull) she laughed and asked me where Im from ?
I said you are surely a Miami girl right?
she said : I'm cuban in spanish.
I said in english "Oh I'm from NY." she kept smiled at the mixed compliment in her head.
I told her hey lets talk to go make money and come back.
She then came back and sat next to me then I said cool you took me by surprise back so fast ? are the guys being cheap tonight?(me being an insider)she saw what I was drinking and she said OMG thats my favorite drink then she asked me in alow voice tone if I could invite her a drink (I saw this as too soon and a shit test for me to invest like every chump) I cut her off by saying "I see you have good taste , thats a good start." "what else are you good at?"
she then starts pulling out her bills and start counting her one dollar bills infront of me, it was like the size of my fist.
I then went pause and clueless what discussion topic or how to trabsition as she was coming back to sit next to me .
So she was like (OK why isnt he talking?) so I started watching the game again, so then I reintiated conversation by random thing that wasnt going anywhere and she looked at me like WTF? then I transition with I mean you are kindah cute "I think you would do fine here and in vegas too" (I was trying out a stupid routine but it didnt stick )
"you need to work on somethings here and there" (me being an insider, a critique from a manager to elicit qualification keep her on her toes) , abit insecure she said "oh why vegas,why not here?"
then she thought I was an asshole cause she didnt know vegas is capital of the world in strip clubs,
it was obvious she was a non pro at that point.
I had just screened out a proffesional materialista from a normal chick that just got into this recently.
I failed to try to explain or calibrate was in damage control it but it was too late,she got confused and she said "enjoy your night" she got up and walked to the table infront of me.
a group of older men.she them started to flirt with them and she got them to get her a drink.
she was having conversation with one specific guy there and I acted like I didnt give a shit.
HB Cuban Strip bodylanguage was towards me and she kept looking at me to see of I noticed her or getting me to react jealous, but I started flirting hardcore to other girls that would come,
I started to BT spike the other dancers and frame their touching me as "Ooh theres something about that touch, its like when my last freaky GF would want sex"
"you must be really sweet girl but a naughty girl behind closed doors"
and it seem to work to grab attention get them to kino me infront of HB Cuban Strip.
Some other girl came back just to kiss my neck, but some man with money took her away.
She d look at me and she play with her hair over and over everytime she would look at ,e with ocrner of her eyes Id have a smile on my face or not giving a shit being in my own space being cool in my own skin.Enjoying my time.
HB Cuban Strip was definately a non pro.a pro doesnt sit with a guy for a long time she loses money.
the problem now was I kept getting interupted by girls wanting tips as I tried to watch the game.
anyways HB Cuban Strip was in typical vibbing mode with thw older men group and the manager pulled her away to put her on the stage, i went to bathroom.
when she came around my way she was plain rude and asked me "my tip please" with a disgusted face.
(I remember that she is a latina, aside from the typical stripper persona )
I didnt want to seem reactive or jealous and yet no be a passive bottom who tolerates bad behaviour so I told her
"hey whatsup" to get her to stay to talk and she said "my tip for my dance"
I said "a dance now? Im getting warmed up now lets talk for a bit" she said "its only one dollar okay!" I said
"yeah so it shouldnt be a big deal right? come back after you make some more money so we can talk "
she walked away pissed and then she sat infront with the older guys again and she still look towards me and play with her hair.Still corner of her eye.
Weird , I blew the set and I tried gaming the other chicks there but they seem more pros than her. directly asking for the money and no talk.
anyways I walked out cause I kept getting half of my drink taken away as if I had finished and was kindah pissed off about that.
I asked when the manager of the shift came and they told me he had left.so I bailed out.
but I was smelling like women or like If I had just fucked a chick. weird night messed up a bit but Im looking at some stuff I got to work on.
Some points i learned here:
*If you want to take her home same night avoid weekend busy nights.
*Dont get drunk or drink more than one drink of alcohol.Cause your perceptions of diferentiating IOIs from Fake IOIs become more difficult.So you can easily fall for a trap.
*Dont over NEG.some girls are Pros and some are local 7s that are kindah new.the latter are too insecure so any NEG or mixed signal that she doesnt understand what you are talking about seems like you are a JERK.Best thing is to break her state right before asking you for a tip or a dance, beat her to it and lead the convo you do a takeaway of telling her to do her job and to comeback you want to tell her something.
*As you talk with her figure out get her to talk more than you, its hard at first but its good for practice and compliment her by you throwing in some releases or softners like
"you are just saying that to make me like you"
"stop being a copy cat,I cant talk to you anymore"
"I bet you are a really sweet outside of this world"
"are you being real with me here"
*Make her prove herself, example:ask about that tatoo she has and what does it mean, usually its her middle name and call her by that name her real name. (you start talking to the real person not stripper) act like you are with her yet its cool she is there to make money, send her off to chumps .(this is a compliance ladder like pimp game)
*Dont DROOL over how HOT she is.Be chill and yet be proactive and get her to talk more about herself. Show dominance.Then you tell her that you find her somewhat cool but you are guessing she is being real with you, (this is to get her to prove herself by being real if she leaves the club with you or how she is outside the enviroment)This is tricky cause most are LSE girls so its bordeline comfort of being too interested with show of dominance, you judge her actions her identity.once you convince her of knowing her by her talking about herself and you throw cold reads, she is convinced you know her then you LEAD by dominance get her to get dressed and go out of the club or meet up after the shift etc.
( showing you are a leader higher value in her world,pimp game?)*prerequiste she has to think you know her well by her qualifying herself and opening more about herself (MIrror rapport with slight disinterest, LSE)
* be somewhat challenging to please not like the eager guys to give out money to any girl just because she asks him ,he isn't obligated to do so.
she will respect you inside but outside it will piss her off a bit yet be cooler than her and non reactive.
*You dont have to dhv that you dated a stripper before, it makes you seem like a loser or a try hard liar.Make her assume by your behaviour that you are preselected.It doesnt work telling her in the venue.
*As a requirement before you go to these places Get yourself in state that you are awesome and you love yourself.Reaffirm your frame control as here you can get easily sucked into her frame and end up overspending in exchange for nothing.Remember that strippers or dancers have massive frame control with her pussy power.She acts out of social norms to make a living.Calibrate how you would treat any girl you just met,dont be eager to buy her dances or drinks to keep her attention cause she will intrepret you as any typical guy who goes there for fun and wont take you seriously to get you laid for free.
*Push yourself to experiment within your conversation with these women,even if you mess up you will have fun and learn something out of it.Conversation skills here are crucial any flinch while you have starting to build attraction to you ,the hesitation or self doubt will kill it within a quarter of a second and you are done gaming her.
*Reframe any behaviour as her being insecure and her being another pretty face.Remeber that they are master of social pressure mirror them and reframe any sort of shit test .papa sandros
I went tonight cause I had an arguement and wanted to watch the a basketball game,ok so I wanted to game strippers as a self challenge.so I went cause I know a manager, he wasnt there and shift had just changed ,Its been awhile I havent set foot in a strip club.
there was a cuban voluptous 20 yr old really hot . we will call her HB Cuban Strip and I opened saying that
she has sexy way to her body its too bad she isnt a blonde. her body is soo my type but the hair color is off
(false disqualifier push -pull) she laughed and asked me where Im from ?
I said you are surely a Miami girl right?
she said : I'm cuban in spanish.
I said in english "Oh I'm from NY." she kept smiled at the mixed compliment in her head.
I told her hey lets talk to go make money and come back.
She then came back and sat next to me then I said cool you took me by surprise back so fast ? are the guys being cheap tonight?(me being an insider)she saw what I was drinking and she said OMG thats my favorite drink then she asked me in alow voice tone if I could invite her a drink (I saw this as too soon and a shit test for me to invest like every chump) I cut her off by saying "I see you have good taste , thats a good start." "what else are you good at?"
she then starts pulling out her bills and start counting her one dollar bills infront of me, it was like the size of my fist.
I then went pause and clueless what discussion topic or how to trabsition as she was coming back to sit next to me .
So she was like (OK why isnt he talking?) so I started watching the game again, so then I reintiated conversation by random thing that wasnt going anywhere and she looked at me like WTF? then I transition with I mean you are kindah cute "I think you would do fine here and in vegas too" (I was trying out a stupid routine but it didnt stick )
"you need to work on somethings here and there" (me being an insider, a critique from a manager to elicit qualification keep her on her toes) , abit insecure she said "oh why vegas,why not here?"
then she thought I was an asshole cause she didnt know vegas is capital of the world in strip clubs,
it was obvious she was a non pro at that point.
I had just screened out a proffesional materialista from a normal chick that just got into this recently.
I failed to try to explain or calibrate was in damage control it but it was too late,she got confused and she said "enjoy your night" she got up and walked to the table infront of me.
a group of older men.she them started to flirt with them and she got them to get her a drink.
she was having conversation with one specific guy there and I acted like I didnt give a shit.
HB Cuban Strip bodylanguage was towards me and she kept looking at me to see of I noticed her or getting me to react jealous, but I started flirting hardcore to other girls that would come,
I started to BT spike the other dancers and frame their touching me as "Ooh theres something about that touch, its like when my last freaky GF would want sex"
"you must be really sweet girl but a naughty girl behind closed doors"
and it seem to work to grab attention get them to kino me infront of HB Cuban Strip.
Some other girl came back just to kiss my neck, but some man with money took her away.
She d look at me and she play with her hair over and over everytime she would look at ,e with ocrner of her eyes Id have a smile on my face or not giving a shit being in my own space being cool in my own skin.Enjoying my time.
HB Cuban Strip was definately a non pro.a pro doesnt sit with a guy for a long time she loses money.
the problem now was I kept getting interupted by girls wanting tips as I tried to watch the game.
anyways HB Cuban Strip was in typical vibbing mode with thw older men group and the manager pulled her away to put her on the stage, i went to bathroom.
when she came around my way she was plain rude and asked me "my tip please" with a disgusted face.
(I remember that she is a latina, aside from the typical stripper persona )
I didnt want to seem reactive or jealous and yet no be a passive bottom who tolerates bad behaviour so I told her
"hey whatsup" to get her to stay to talk and she said "my tip for my dance"
I said "a dance now? Im getting warmed up now lets talk for a bit" she said "its only one dollar okay!" I said
"yeah so it shouldnt be a big deal right? come back after you make some more money so we can talk "
she walked away pissed and then she sat infront with the older guys again and she still look towards me and play with her hair.Still corner of her eye.
Weird , I blew the set and I tried gaming the other chicks there but they seem more pros than her. directly asking for the money and no talk.
anyways I walked out cause I kept getting half of my drink taken away as if I had finished and was kindah pissed off about that.
I asked when the manager of the shift came and they told me he had left.so I bailed out.
but I was smelling like women or like If I had just fucked a chick. weird night messed up a bit but Im looking at some stuff I got to work on.
Some points i learned here:
*If you want to take her home same night avoid weekend busy nights.
*Dont get drunk or drink more than one drink of alcohol.Cause your perceptions of diferentiating IOIs from Fake IOIs become more difficult.So you can easily fall for a trap.
*Dont over NEG.some girls are Pros and some are local 7s that are kindah new.the latter are too insecure so any NEG or mixed signal that she doesnt understand what you are talking about seems like you are a JERK.Best thing is to break her state right before asking you for a tip or a dance, beat her to it and lead the convo you do a takeaway of telling her to do her job and to comeback you want to tell her something.
*As you talk with her figure out get her to talk more than you, its hard at first but its good for practice and compliment her by you throwing in some releases or softners like
"you are just saying that to make me like you"
"stop being a copy cat,I cant talk to you anymore"
"I bet you are a really sweet outside of this world"
"are you being real with me here"
*Make her prove herself, example:ask about that tatoo she has and what does it mean, usually its her middle name and call her by that name her real name. (you start talking to the real person not stripper) act like you are with her yet its cool she is there to make money, send her off to chumps .(this is a compliance ladder like pimp game)
*Dont DROOL over how HOT she is.Be chill and yet be proactive and get her to talk more about herself. Show dominance.Then you tell her that you find her somewhat cool but you are guessing she is being real with you, (this is to get her to prove herself by being real if she leaves the club with you or how she is outside the enviroment)This is tricky cause most are LSE girls so its bordeline comfort of being too interested with show of dominance, you judge her actions her identity.once you convince her of knowing her by her talking about herself and you throw cold reads, she is convinced you know her then you LEAD by dominance get her to get dressed and go out of the club or meet up after the shift etc.
( showing you are a leader higher value in her world,pimp game?)*prerequiste she has to think you know her well by her qualifying herself and opening more about herself (MIrror rapport with slight disinterest, LSE)
* be somewhat challenging to please not like the eager guys to give out money to any girl just because she asks him ,he isn't obligated to do so.
she will respect you inside but outside it will piss her off a bit yet be cooler than her and non reactive.
*You dont have to dhv that you dated a stripper before, it makes you seem like a loser or a try hard liar.Make her assume by your behaviour that you are preselected.It doesnt work telling her in the venue.
*As a requirement before you go to these places Get yourself in state that you are awesome and you love yourself.Reaffirm your frame control as here you can get easily sucked into her frame and end up overspending in exchange for nothing.Remember that strippers or dancers have massive frame control with her pussy power.She acts out of social norms to make a living.Calibrate how you would treat any girl you just met,dont be eager to buy her dances or drinks to keep her attention cause she will intrepret you as any typical guy who goes there for fun and wont take you seriously to get you laid for free.
*Push yourself to experiment within your conversation with these women,even if you mess up you will have fun and learn something out of it.Conversation skills here are crucial any flinch while you have starting to build attraction to you ,the hesitation or self doubt will kill it within a quarter of a second and you are done gaming her.
*Reframe any behaviour as her being insecure and her being another pretty face.Remeber that they are master of social pressure mirror them and reframe any sort of shit test .papa sandros
FR: oscars date with latina and I get massive LMR wants to go home
FR: oscars date with latina and I get massive LMR wants to go home
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so I was out of town and a girl Ive been on and off talking on the phone and text, she is 37 yrs old but looks decently good for her age.
(I had opened direct on her previously and we ve been flirting and Ive been more masculine dominant wo being too pushy)
I told her I was out of town and she text me she wanted to fly out to see me since she wanted to watch the oscars.I thought she was kidding and said she was serious and then we were talking about cuddling and she said "I want to see you."
we made arrangements for the next day to spend time together and have our own oscars party.
I got in town and and picked her up in my car
she was excited and yet felt LMR when we I surprised her and took her to south beach hotel then we were in a room together but i roleplayed future projection pretend we are out of town and "we are bfgf".
She look at tv and I'd escalate to arouse her w touching caressing and kissing. At comercial breaks we'd make out and cuddled but she pulled back quickly and would stand up from the bed when shed get horny.
Then she said were not having sex and I lol'd.
She saw I was chilling and offered her a drink and she said oh no im not getting drunk I will drink water And used disqualifiers like
"im too old for you" "I have to get up early tomorrow".etc.
We'd get on the bed and I'd escalate and push back.
Id use NLP routines to get her aroused more and shed want to change subject.
at times when I pulled back She'd want me too push more then I was kissing her neck as I did a slight hairpull as I licked her neck
then she got up went to bathroom (prob soaking WET)
and then she came out and said
"I have to go".
I said "why soo soon."
(an hour and half battle w LMR).
I then make out again heaviliy and she was like
"I cant.im older than you and this might get farther than i expected so i have to go." she then she asked me if i was mad i said no.I acted like it wasnt a big deal and we left the room.
As I dropped her off during the drive we were building comfort .
She said that I'm smart ,creative and intellectual and rare guy
that alot of girls probably throw themselves at me.
As I got to her car and we kissed again and we went on our own separate ways.
Now, I dont hear from her.
Im confused.
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Jesse Charger says:
My overall experience with South Florida Latina chicks is that they're more difficult than Caucasian women. More LMR, more stupid games, more sexual inhibitions, more trying to hard ignore you on the approach, and the list goes on. And that's IF they like you
Then again, a lot of them DO have big azzes So kudos to you for trying to crack them.
I don't see anything you did that stood out as being "incorrect". It sounded pretty solid.
I think she wants to test you to see if you're marriage material, so she's resisting the sex and seeing how far you'll go to chase her down. A lot of Latin women are looking for husbands, not boyfriends. Also, she's an older single woman AND Latina, so she'll be especially sensitive to looking for a potential husband.
I say:
I have to review Arousal sections on SNLs.Microloop theory.Sinn's product on Logistics, turne her on Oct 2010 Inner Circle CD.
Sexual tension by vin di carlo.Non Verbal sexual communication.
physical push -pull builds sexual tension
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so I was out of town and a girl Ive been on and off talking on the phone and text, she is 37 yrs old but looks decently good for her age.
(I had opened direct on her previously and we ve been flirting and Ive been more masculine dominant wo being too pushy)
I told her I was out of town and she text me she wanted to fly out to see me since she wanted to watch the oscars.I thought she was kidding and said she was serious and then we were talking about cuddling and she said "I want to see you."
we made arrangements for the next day to spend time together and have our own oscars party.
I got in town and and picked her up in my car
she was excited and yet felt LMR when we I surprised her and took her to south beach hotel then we were in a room together but i roleplayed future projection pretend we are out of town and "we are bfgf".
She look at tv and I'd escalate to arouse her w touching caressing and kissing. At comercial breaks we'd make out and cuddled but she pulled back quickly and would stand up from the bed when shed get horny.
Then she said were not having sex and I lol'd.
She saw I was chilling and offered her a drink and she said oh no im not getting drunk I will drink water And used disqualifiers like
"im too old for you" "I have to get up early tomorrow".etc.
We'd get on the bed and I'd escalate and push back.
Id use NLP routines to get her aroused more and shed want to change subject.
at times when I pulled back She'd want me too push more then I was kissing her neck as I did a slight hairpull as I licked her neck
then she got up went to bathroom (prob soaking WET)
and then she came out and said
"I have to go".
I said "why soo soon."
(an hour and half battle w LMR).
I then make out again heaviliy and she was like
"I cant.im older than you and this might get farther than i expected so i have to go." she then she asked me if i was mad i said no.I acted like it wasnt a big deal and we left the room.
As I dropped her off during the drive we were building comfort .
She said that I'm smart ,creative and intellectual and rare guy
that alot of girls probably throw themselves at me.
As I got to her car and we kissed again and we went on our own separate ways.
Now, I dont hear from her.
Im confused.
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Jesse Charger says:
My overall experience with South Florida Latina chicks is that they're more difficult than Caucasian women. More LMR, more stupid games, more sexual inhibitions, more trying to hard ignore you on the approach, and the list goes on. And that's IF they like you
Then again, a lot of them DO have big azzes So kudos to you for trying to crack them.
I don't see anything you did that stood out as being "incorrect". It sounded pretty solid.
I think she wants to test you to see if you're marriage material, so she's resisting the sex and seeing how far you'll go to chase her down. A lot of Latin women are looking for husbands, not boyfriends. Also, she's an older single woman AND Latina, so she'll be especially sensitive to looking for a potential husband.
I say:
I have to review Arousal sections on SNLs.Microloop theory.Sinn's product on Logistics, turne her on Oct 2010 Inner Circle CD.
Sexual tension by vin di carlo.Non Verbal sexual communication.
physical push -pull builds sexual tension
Monday, February 28, 2011
FR :Oscars party w Zey I get LMR
Last night I went out with another cuban latina woman she showed alot of interst wanting to be with me,she is 37 has 2 kids,she wanted to be with me to watch "Oscars" and Cuddle.
I pace and lead her and we set up a date I picked her up from a parking lot to go to our private "oscar night"party. we ended up in a miami beach hotel room.Palmer house very awesome.
she got LMR upfront but used role playing and adventure fantasy as we are having a our Celebrity Oscars party.
we were watching TV and sametime build comfort , we started making out intensely, she started controling her horniness everytime I escalated.
at times shed stand up and go get water.at comercial breaks wed make out heavly and cuddle , Id touch her body she would pull back.
I at times escalate and pull back and she would try to please me, it was an LMR battle.back and forth.
she'd use disqualifers like :"Im too old for you" "dont think cause Im older we will have sex tonight" Id laugh and make out with her.
Id build more comfort and ran NLP routines to elicit her horny and attraction state (cosmo routine and movie star EV sexual pattern)and shed feel that state shed back off and try to change subject.
then it got to a point where I was kissing her and I kiss her neck and hair pull and lick her neck. I felt she was turned on so bad that she stood up and said she neede to go to the bathroom.
she came back and said she need to go home.
I said why soo soon oscars arent even half way (Ive been battling LMR for 1 1/2 hour)
she said "I cant.im older than you and this might get farther than i expected so i have to go."
she then she asked me if i was mad i said no.I acted like it wasnt a big deal and we left the room.
she started asking me if I was mad, I acted like I didnt care and it wasnt a big deal.
As I dropped her off during the drive we were building comfort .
she started to say that she has never been with a younger guy before and she feels uncomfrtable to be in public with me, I said "we can be discrete, whatever goes behind closed doors is between 2 adults and its nobody elses business, right"
She said that I'm smart ,creative and intellectual and rare guy throwing compliments at me I just said "thank you"
she said that alot of girls probably throw themselves at me.
she said " Im not like this on a first date or have sex on first date but wow if you are this romantic on a first date then I can imagine what you end up doing with other girls"
I said "this isnt a date its a private oscars party" ;)
As I got to her car and we kissed again and we went on our own separate ways.
now I feel she is doing PNP like the other latina cuban woman where she isnt showing interst by phone or text and wants me to chase her. and I suck at that and get needy and blow the set.
Im running into a pattern of non closure with these latina women I hope you notice whats wrong here its repeating smae scenario as groundhog day.
or should I next ? Im seeing she is LSE
I pace and lead her and we set up a date I picked her up from a parking lot to go to our private "oscar night"party. we ended up in a miami beach hotel room.Palmer house very awesome.
she got LMR upfront but used role playing and adventure fantasy as we are having a our Celebrity Oscars party.
we were watching TV and sametime build comfort , we started making out intensely, she started controling her horniness everytime I escalated.
at times shed stand up and go get water.at comercial breaks wed make out heavly and cuddle , Id touch her body she would pull back.
I at times escalate and pull back and she would try to please me, it was an LMR battle.back and forth.
she'd use disqualifers like :"Im too old for you" "dont think cause Im older we will have sex tonight" Id laugh and make out with her.
Id build more comfort and ran NLP routines to elicit her horny and attraction state (cosmo routine and movie star EV sexual pattern)and shed feel that state shed back off and try to change subject.
then it got to a point where I was kissing her and I kiss her neck and hair pull and lick her neck. I felt she was turned on so bad that she stood up and said she neede to go to the bathroom.
she came back and said she need to go home.
I said why soo soon oscars arent even half way (Ive been battling LMR for 1 1/2 hour)
she said "I cant.im older than you and this might get farther than i expected so i have to go."
she then she asked me if i was mad i said no.I acted like it wasnt a big deal and we left the room.
she started asking me if I was mad, I acted like I didnt care and it wasnt a big deal.
As I dropped her off during the drive we were building comfort .
she started to say that she has never been with a younger guy before and she feels uncomfrtable to be in public with me, I said "we can be discrete, whatever goes behind closed doors is between 2 adults and its nobody elses business, right"
She said that I'm smart ,creative and intellectual and rare guy throwing compliments at me I just said "thank you"
she said that alot of girls probably throw themselves at me.
she said " Im not like this on a first date or have sex on first date but wow if you are this romantic on a first date then I can imagine what you end up doing with other girls"
I said "this isnt a date its a private oscars party" ;)
As I got to her car and we kissed again and we went on our own separate ways.
now I feel she is doing PNP like the other latina cuban woman where she isnt showing interst by phone or text and wants me to chase her. and I suck at that and get needy and blow the set.
Im running into a pattern of non closure with these latina women I hope you notice whats wrong here its repeating smae scenario as groundhog day.
or should I next ? Im seeing she is LSE
Thursday, February 3, 2011
FR:My first mini date and cuban woman makeout..bold comments by LA Tripp
well I wanted to post this.
I found easier to game women who are bitchy cause I can overcome with dominance and reframed shit test to qualifiers.
that caused attraction.
So after various texts and running comfort with cocky funny.
I got a meet up.
so we were supposed to meetup days agao and now it was tonight at 10 pm.
all places are closed at 11pm she gets off at 10pm, she asks to shower and I say yes.
I go to the place to meet up
wait there spend money on wine and food and leave at 11pm.
pissed off
then I realized how my mind was telling me, flakes are normal.and whatever dont react.
then I get a call from her I tell her Im leaving.
she gets a bit hesistant not wanting to lose me.
so we met at the plarking lot of the place.
as soon as I saw her I hug her and spank her but and kiss her in the mouth.
I lock in and we talk outside.
Im calibrating her BT and run SNL frames.
PS: I did fuck up on the non judgemental and discrete on two people have ssex is nobodys business. also I forgot to tell her how sex is important in a relationship.
which fucked me up.
but anyways
We talk and she disqualifes me.
I answer and cF her mostly frmae control ala Mickey rourke in nine and half weeks.
we make out again no resistance.then when I tried to timebridge her she doesnt feel comfortable.
I tried running deep comfort nonverbal sexual eye contact, cold reading,and CF all at same time.
she kept laughin and she told me if I was psychic and we kept kissing.
an hour past and I tried to timebridge her and she said it was too late and that we could get together monday night.
I felt like I didnt want to seperate from her, but I did that and pulled back to make her want it more.
I see she is trying to run courtship game and I have to frame control, theres the issue with my PS note.
anyways , we leave I get home and get a text from her.
its her and she says that she wanted to make sure I got home so that she can sleep well, I responded and told her sweet dreams and she told me to dream with her.
Personal NOTES:
Logistics was fucked.this happens not having a place. next time rent a place if you have to to close her on Monday.
NEXT: SNL frames and talk about sex.also arousal and some dirty talk.
build more sexual tension and let go.
another thing is game other girls.
review sexual arousal in SNL course and BRADP.
plan an action for closing,romantic dinner cheap and place.
be prepared to run some game to purposely make her miss you.
be prepared to lose the set.you much act a bit more dominant.
you lead the sexual escalation.
remember's FRANCO rule.
her history:
Divorced 3 times and has an 18 yr old daughter.
plan for the pull.
hey Tripp,
I had my first mini date and makeout with a miami cuban woman.
I tried to pull her but logistics was fucked.wanted feedback.
we set up a date for 10pm, she text she will be late to take a shower. I end up waiting at a wine bar and at 11pm it closes, I leave.
Her taking a shower ahead of time, even though late, is a good thing.
she calls as Im leaving asking where I was that she was on her way.
I told her I was leaving (calm way), she freaked out (fear of loss), we meet up at parking lot.
minutes later I get there and call her to tell her to get out of the car and stop acting like an FBI agent.
All good so far.
she gets off and we hug and makeout, I spank her and we talk in the parking lot.
Your first time meeting her and you're making out already?
I try to timebridge somewhere else but in miami everything is closes at 10pm
10? Damn. I thought L.A. was early closing at 2am. Things here close at 3am. I can't believe in Miami things close that early. Miami! Wow.
unless its south beach which is 30 minute drive.and she was tired from work didnt want that.I suggested lets go in my truck and have a late night snack of ice cream ben and jerry's store nearby , she gets nervous on the suggestion and I pull back we talk more
You did good here.
,ran CF, deep comfort then more kissing and touching and making out, and run a bunch of cold reads,
I don't know what you did for comfort, but everything else you're listing is building attraction, which is good.
she thinks Im psychic and tells me why I know about her so much...I throw in the mickey rourke line "cause I see myself in you" with a sensual way of telling her. she is dogie bowl dinner look we make out ,I try to bounce her again,she tells me she was married 3 time and has a 18 yr old daughter at home.She tells me she is attracted to me and kisses me and tells me she has to go, we kiss again and we walk away to our cars.
Here's one thing . . . when you're making out, don't be so quick to bounce. Keep making out more and more. Make out until she just starts getting HUNGRY for you, till she starts trying to devour you with her mouth, wanting to rip your clothes off, shoving her hand down your pants and verbally saying she HAS to have you. When you get to that point, it no longer matters where you go. She's gonna fuck you almost anywhere.
she tells me she has 2 jobs and works doing taxes at HR Block and works almost everyday so we set up a date for monday night 8pm.
If she does taxes, that's believable.
I get home and I get a text from her saying to text her to make sure i arrived safe so she can sleep well,
THAT is excellent. She's concerned already. She's thinking about you. She's also thinking about LTR, possibly.
I text her "yes Im fine, sweet dreams babe"
You did good.
she responds "sweetd reams to you too, hope you dream with me"
Nice.
this afternoon to follow up cause I felt it was deep comfort connection when we were with each other.
I test ping her with "Im sure as you woke up this morning, you had a smile in your face ;) "
she didnt respond but Im sure she is busy. Im not sending her anymore texts until she recontacts or make her miss me more.
Good, don't. Nothing wrong with your text this morning to her. The balls in her court to respond now.
im planning monday if I meet up take her to the beach take some wine and make out and talk and I will try to pull her in the truck, also if not I will try to get a room close by ahead of time and have her join me for a bit and suposedly kick her out.
she gets ASD when I try to even timebridge , so I think I might have to plan something more solid pull to close.
she wants sex and was tonguing me down aggressively than I was but her logic kicks in, only way I have managed is like Mysetery said go sexual in the seduction location.
I think she is logically want ting me to court her as Ive been initiating text and her responding mostly, other than that she doesnt intitiate which is rare but its her courtship mentality, so I plan to tell her that" I like a woman who goes with her emotions and takes action...a woman that feels a certain way and knows we trust we each other that she can know how to take care of her man" like a qualfier.
So you haven't qualified her? You haven't given her any of your specifications that she should strive to live up to?
so there it is man.
I have to game other girls,
Im stepping back the other woman who has 2 kids and ex husband deal until my game inproves more after I pull to be more consistent.
the 20 year old I will number close next week tuesday but then again valentines day :( cause she has a bf but I dont care, I know Im better than her BF.
I know I can pull her into me cause I have high social value established and my game is gettign better.
With all of these girls, though, you need to make sure you're not destroying a relationship or pulling in a girl and misleading her if you're not wanting an actual relationship. If you're just wanting to hit and quit, don't mislead them into believing you're looking for something long term.
Cool
I found easier to game women who are bitchy cause I can overcome with dominance and reframed shit test to qualifiers.
that caused attraction.
So after various texts and running comfort with cocky funny.
I got a meet up.
so we were supposed to meetup days agao and now it was tonight at 10 pm.
all places are closed at 11pm she gets off at 10pm, she asks to shower and I say yes.
I go to the place to meet up
wait there spend money on wine and food and leave at 11pm.
pissed off
then I realized how my mind was telling me, flakes are normal.and whatever dont react.
then I get a call from her I tell her Im leaving.
she gets a bit hesistant not wanting to lose me.
so we met at the plarking lot of the place.
as soon as I saw her I hug her and spank her but and kiss her in the mouth.
I lock in and we talk outside.
Im calibrating her BT and run SNL frames.
PS: I did fuck up on the non judgemental and discrete on two people have ssex is nobodys business. also I forgot to tell her how sex is important in a relationship.
which fucked me up.
but anyways
We talk and she disqualifes me.
I answer and cF her mostly frmae control ala Mickey rourke in nine and half weeks.
we make out again no resistance.then when I tried to timebridge her she doesnt feel comfortable.
I tried running deep comfort nonverbal sexual eye contact, cold reading,and CF all at same time.
she kept laughin and she told me if I was psychic and we kept kissing.
an hour past and I tried to timebridge her and she said it was too late and that we could get together monday night.
I felt like I didnt want to seperate from her, but I did that and pulled back to make her want it more.
I see she is trying to run courtship game and I have to frame control, theres the issue with my PS note.
anyways , we leave I get home and get a text from her.
its her and she says that she wanted to make sure I got home so that she can sleep well, I responded and told her sweet dreams and she told me to dream with her.
Personal NOTES:
Logistics was fucked.this happens not having a place. next time rent a place if you have to to close her on Monday.
NEXT: SNL frames and talk about sex.also arousal and some dirty talk.
build more sexual tension and let go.
another thing is game other girls.
review sexual arousal in SNL course and BRADP.
plan an action for closing,romantic dinner cheap and place.
be prepared to run some game to purposely make her miss you.
be prepared to lose the set.you much act a bit more dominant.
you lead the sexual escalation.
remember's FRANCO rule.
her history:
Divorced 3 times and has an 18 yr old daughter.
plan for the pull.
hey Tripp,
I had my first mini date and makeout with a miami cuban woman.
I tried to pull her but logistics was fucked.wanted feedback.
we set up a date for 10pm, she text she will be late to take a shower. I end up waiting at a wine bar and at 11pm it closes, I leave.
Her taking a shower ahead of time, even though late, is a good thing.
she calls as Im leaving asking where I was that she was on her way.
I told her I was leaving (calm way), she freaked out (fear of loss), we meet up at parking lot.
minutes later I get there and call her to tell her to get out of the car and stop acting like an FBI agent.
All good so far.
she gets off and we hug and makeout, I spank her and we talk in the parking lot.
Your first time meeting her and you're making out already?
I try to timebridge somewhere else but in miami everything is closes at 10pm
10? Damn. I thought L.A. was early closing at 2am. Things here close at 3am. I can't believe in Miami things close that early. Miami! Wow.
unless its south beach which is 30 minute drive.and she was tired from work didnt want that.I suggested lets go in my truck and have a late night snack of ice cream ben and jerry's store nearby , she gets nervous on the suggestion and I pull back we talk more
You did good here.
,ran CF, deep comfort then more kissing and touching and making out, and run a bunch of cold reads,
I don't know what you did for comfort, but everything else you're listing is building attraction, which is good.
she thinks Im psychic and tells me why I know about her so much...I throw in the mickey rourke line "cause I see myself in you" with a sensual way of telling her. she is dogie bowl dinner look we make out ,I try to bounce her again,she tells me she was married 3 time and has a 18 yr old daughter at home.She tells me she is attracted to me and kisses me and tells me she has to go, we kiss again and we walk away to our cars.
Here's one thing . . . when you're making out, don't be so quick to bounce. Keep making out more and more. Make out until she just starts getting HUNGRY for you, till she starts trying to devour you with her mouth, wanting to rip your clothes off, shoving her hand down your pants and verbally saying she HAS to have you. When you get to that point, it no longer matters where you go. She's gonna fuck you almost anywhere.
she tells me she has 2 jobs and works doing taxes at HR Block and works almost everyday so we set up a date for monday night 8pm.
If she does taxes, that's believable.
I get home and I get a text from her saying to text her to make sure i arrived safe so she can sleep well,
THAT is excellent. She's concerned already. She's thinking about you. She's also thinking about LTR, possibly.
I text her "yes Im fine, sweet dreams babe"
You did good.
she responds "sweetd reams to you too, hope you dream with me"
Nice.
this afternoon to follow up cause I felt it was deep comfort connection when we were with each other.
I test ping her with "Im sure as you woke up this morning, you had a smile in your face ;) "
she didnt respond but Im sure she is busy. Im not sending her anymore texts until she recontacts or make her miss me more.
Good, don't. Nothing wrong with your text this morning to her. The balls in her court to respond now.
im planning monday if I meet up take her to the beach take some wine and make out and talk and I will try to pull her in the truck, also if not I will try to get a room close by ahead of time and have her join me for a bit and suposedly kick her out.
she gets ASD when I try to even timebridge , so I think I might have to plan something more solid pull to close.
she wants sex and was tonguing me down aggressively than I was but her logic kicks in, only way I have managed is like Mysetery said go sexual in the seduction location.
I think she is logically want ting me to court her as Ive been initiating text and her responding mostly, other than that she doesnt intitiate which is rare but its her courtship mentality, so I plan to tell her that" I like a woman who goes with her emotions and takes action...a woman that feels a certain way and knows we trust we each other that she can know how to take care of her man" like a qualfier.
So you haven't qualified her? You haven't given her any of your specifications that she should strive to live up to?
so there it is man.
I have to game other girls,
Im stepping back the other woman who has 2 kids and ex husband deal until my game inproves more after I pull to be more consistent.
the 20 year old I will number close next week tuesday but then again valentines day :( cause she has a bf but I dont care, I know Im better than her BF.
I know I can pull her into me cause I have high social value established and my game is gettign better.
With all of these girls, though, you need to make sure you're not destroying a relationship or pulling in a girl and misleading her if you're not wanting an actual relationship. If you're just wanting to hit and quit, don't mislead them into believing you're looking for something long term.
Cool
Tuesday, January 18, 2011
Sinn FR: Real Life Example Of How To Avoid A Flake
Real Life Example Of How To Avoid A Flake
Hey guys,
Today I'm back with the second part of the text message/date fuck up report odyssey. Try saying that 5 times fast...
We left with me calling Miss Newsie Hat to set up the date. When I called I followed my basic phone game structure, and set up a date for drinks the next night.
So she calls me the next day and tells me that she forgot she had plans with a friend of hers who's only in town for a few days. I call her and tell her it's no big deal and we can totally reschedule. The key with handling flakes like this one is being completely unreactive, but letting the girl know you do like her and want to see her.
She then texts me:
MNH: I don't know if we are going now.
Sinn: Well if you're not I want to see you!
This is a big statement of intent! I'm letting her know I want to see her. There's a major difference between wanting to see a girl and needing a girl to feel better about yourself. I never worry about being try hard or needy, I worry about getting girls on dates.
MNH: Ok we're not gonna do it tonight.
Sinn: Ok , so you wanna collect your cookies? Or trade your cookies for an adult libation...
This is callback humor, earlier we had made a bet about what some stupid movie was about. She won. I love making bets with girls that lead to dates, no matter who wins. I learned this technique from the TV show "Seinfeld." I had bet her a batch of homemade cookies.
MNH: Yes. Let's make it cocktails. I'm not a huge cookie person.
Sinn: Cool meet me at X bar at 8:30.
This is what you have to do when setting up a date over text. You must send a direct command at some point to get her to commit.
MNH: What happened to you going to Y bar?
I had told her I was meeting other friends later that night. I did this to social proof myself so it didn't look like I would be sitting at home alone if she flaked.
Sinn: I'd rather see you. Plus if you're as cool as you seem, we might be able to do "the plan"
Again more callback humor, this refers to how I seed my date by saying I have a crazy fun plan but need an awesome girl to do it with. I also let her know I like her.
MNH: I'm definitely down for the plan but it will have to be another night. I have to take my mom to the airport really early in the morning.
Now some people would see this as a problem. I just assume it's true and that she'll stay as late as she's having fun. So I don't argue or bring too much attention to it. She ended up spending the night and leaving at 9 AM.
Sinn: Just a quick drink then...
I could have added more humor here by saying something like " WE'll see how you do after the half hour evaluation." But that's ok, sometimes you don't need to do anything except get her committed to meeting up.
MNH: Sure can we do 9?
Sinn: Sounds good, call me when you're outside X bar.
X bar happens to be in my apartment building. So instead of telling her to meet me at my place, which she could object to, I have her meet me somewhere more innocuous sounding. I also give her another instruction. The more instructions she follows the more compliance is built. The more compliance is built, the more likely she is to comply later to a bigger request like "Get on your knees.
So now she shows up. I always pretend to "forget my wallet" so we have to go back up into my apartment where she can get comfortable.
On the date I made 3 major mistakes which lead to her spending the night, but not consummating the relationship
I'll tell you guys all about the mistakes I made and how to avoid them next time.
S
PS- 2 guys got laid at the first 12 Months to Mastery Bootcamp last weekend in Vegas. Stay tuned to the list and the blog for updates on everyone in the program!
Hey guys,
Today I'm back with the second part of the text message/date fuck up report odyssey. Try saying that 5 times fast...
We left with me calling Miss Newsie Hat to set up the date. When I called I followed my basic phone game structure, and set up a date for drinks the next night.
So she calls me the next day and tells me that she forgot she had plans with a friend of hers who's only in town for a few days. I call her and tell her it's no big deal and we can totally reschedule. The key with handling flakes like this one is being completely unreactive, but letting the girl know you do like her and want to see her.
She then texts me:
MNH: I don't know if we are going now.
Sinn: Well if you're not I want to see you!
This is a big statement of intent! I'm letting her know I want to see her. There's a major difference between wanting to see a girl and needing a girl to feel better about yourself. I never worry about being try hard or needy, I worry about getting girls on dates.
MNH: Ok we're not gonna do it tonight.
Sinn: Ok , so you wanna collect your cookies? Or trade your cookies for an adult libation...
This is callback humor, earlier we had made a bet about what some stupid movie was about. She won. I love making bets with girls that lead to dates, no matter who wins. I learned this technique from the TV show "Seinfeld." I had bet her a batch of homemade cookies.
MNH: Yes. Let's make it cocktails. I'm not a huge cookie person.
Sinn: Cool meet me at X bar at 8:30.
This is what you have to do when setting up a date over text. You must send a direct command at some point to get her to commit.
MNH: What happened to you going to Y bar?
I had told her I was meeting other friends later that night. I did this to social proof myself so it didn't look like I would be sitting at home alone if she flaked.
Sinn: I'd rather see you. Plus if you're as cool as you seem, we might be able to do "the plan"
Again more callback humor, this refers to how I seed my date by saying I have a crazy fun plan but need an awesome girl to do it with. I also let her know I like her.
MNH: I'm definitely down for the plan but it will have to be another night. I have to take my mom to the airport really early in the morning.
Now some people would see this as a problem. I just assume it's true and that she'll stay as late as she's having fun. So I don't argue or bring too much attention to it. She ended up spending the night and leaving at 9 AM.
Sinn: Just a quick drink then...
I could have added more humor here by saying something like " WE'll see how you do after the half hour evaluation." But that's ok, sometimes you don't need to do anything except get her committed to meeting up.
MNH: Sure can we do 9?
Sinn: Sounds good, call me when you're outside X bar.
X bar happens to be in my apartment building. So instead of telling her to meet me at my place, which she could object to, I have her meet me somewhere more innocuous sounding. I also give her another instruction. The more instructions she follows the more compliance is built. The more compliance is built, the more likely she is to comply later to a bigger request like "Get on your knees.
So now she shows up. I always pretend to "forget my wallet" so we have to go back up into my apartment where she can get comfortable.
On the date I made 3 major mistakes which lead to her spending the night, but not consummating the relationship
I'll tell you guys all about the mistakes I made and how to avoid them next time.
S
PS- 2 guys got laid at the first 12 Months to Mastery Bootcamp last weekend in Vegas. Stay tuned to the list and the blog for updates on everyone in the program!
Tuesday, January 11, 2011
FR hired gun nose ring day game at MALL
MY state, my emotional state
I was going some where to pay a phone bill, It was late and I had just argued with someone.So I was unconciously feeling pretty masculine and confident as if I had just left the GYM, my headspace was I dont care and if the girl who is there is cute Im going to tell her she is fucking sexy just because i felt like it and I didnt feel any anxiety to do it.
But really inside I was feeling pretty oozing with confidence , maybe out of anger which I hadnt really experimented transfering emotions.But because I sticking up for myself, and believeing in myself. so accidentally (not sure , jesse can explain more) but I was in state.
NON VERBAL AMOG positioning
So I get there and some dude with a pink shirt looking pretty guidoish is there hitting on the girl who is working as a cashier at the stationary place at the mall ..and I start using non verbal sexual communication with her ,which jesse talks about, yet in this situation I wasnt aggresive but was being more high value in terms of social intelligence and non verbal dominance (with her that the guy had to beta himself) the other guy had go to the side and it was like double bind on himself to dismiss himself as he was leering and begging for her attention non verbally.
the guy is obviously a chode cause he spoke with a voice high pitch voice and he was compensating with try hard pink and trying to be pretty boy.
the girl and voice tone
the girl was Ok cute very young 19 ish with nose ring. at first was abit formal, yet there was a shift and I felt she was starting to feel attraction as we connected with eye contact and my voice tone and accent was different than typical guys she meets.
So seeing the guy walk to the side it was like in a way increasing my value. I had started talking and since I had been deep voice, that part of my verbal coomunication hit, not the words but the tone of it.
then I felt I was in a bit of frame control test
cause there was a space in the convo where I asked her a question and she shifted her attention to the other guy as he interupted talking to her in spanish.
and I then shifted my attention to be distracted temporarily to avoid me lowering my value or seeming to be into her too much or me being desperate for a response..then she turned back I non verbally made eye contact and stuck at it and she answered my question and she then proceeded to do the follwong that never happened to me....
HER TEASING ME..
the conversation wasnt intersting at all it was the subcommunication,that is why I recommend looking into Jesse's program on sexual non verbal.
So she then tells me that the service was going to take till next day, I didnt really paid attentions and then she repeated it again (like a person retelling the punchline of a joke) and I was a bit aloof I was like "Ok, Why? "
and she said : "Im kidding"
from there I didnt know how to respond to that tease or IOI. ???????
So I just said "you are such a kidder.you almost got me"
she said : "yeah you almost felt for that I could see it in your face"
(not sure what that meant but she was cool and being cool, flirty)
the guy came back and I tried to exchanged numbers fast but I didnt set the timebrdige for the next time or next meeting which I usually do cause It felt rushed.I usually ask abit more about a girl to make her think why Id be interested in her in the first place. anyways one the pink AMOG was back he was trying to tool me abit I guess, I just ignored the fuck out of him completely..SWOOSH__= out of my reality .LOL
I wanted you guys opinion on this interaction as Im improving as Im going. this has been somewhat of when girls tease or flirt that way..at times I get __lost in the moment__ which I think is abit wrong...
she gives a verbal interest or indirect tease or responds to your tease or flirt back verbally what you do?
cause she was basically checking me out and throwing teases at me in flirty way.
any other observations comments here is welcomed.
Thanks
NOTE: I would have gone direct, but I rather my non verbals be direct, somewhat it is more exciting when you dont go direct verbally and non verbally you are communicating with her (FOR ME PERSONALLY,as Im reviewing Jesse's product on non verbal sexual )..the AMOG chode obviously felt competition, I never even acknowledged him being there.So nonverbal is more powerful.
__________________
Action will destroy your procrastination.- Og Mandino
I was going some where to pay a phone bill, It was late and I had just argued with someone.So I was unconciously feeling pretty masculine and confident as if I had just left the GYM, my headspace was I dont care and if the girl who is there is cute Im going to tell her she is fucking sexy just because i felt like it and I didnt feel any anxiety to do it.
But really inside I was feeling pretty oozing with confidence , maybe out of anger which I hadnt really experimented transfering emotions.But because I sticking up for myself, and believeing in myself. so accidentally (not sure , jesse can explain more) but I was in state.
NON VERBAL AMOG positioning
So I get there and some dude with a pink shirt looking pretty guidoish is there hitting on the girl who is working as a cashier at the stationary place at the mall ..and I start using non verbal sexual communication with her ,which jesse talks about, yet in this situation I wasnt aggresive but was being more high value in terms of social intelligence and non verbal dominance (with her that the guy had to beta himself) the other guy had go to the side and it was like double bind on himself to dismiss himself as he was leering and begging for her attention non verbally.
the guy is obviously a chode cause he spoke with a voice high pitch voice and he was compensating with try hard pink and trying to be pretty boy.
the girl and voice tone
the girl was Ok cute very young 19 ish with nose ring. at first was abit formal, yet there was a shift and I felt she was starting to feel attraction as we connected with eye contact and my voice tone and accent was different than typical guys she meets.
So seeing the guy walk to the side it was like in a way increasing my value. I had started talking and since I had been deep voice, that part of my verbal coomunication hit, not the words but the tone of it.
then I felt I was in a bit of frame control test
cause there was a space in the convo where I asked her a question and she shifted her attention to the other guy as he interupted talking to her in spanish.
and I then shifted my attention to be distracted temporarily to avoid me lowering my value or seeming to be into her too much or me being desperate for a response..then she turned back I non verbally made eye contact and stuck at it and she answered my question and she then proceeded to do the follwong that never happened to me....
HER TEASING ME..
the conversation wasnt intersting at all it was the subcommunication,that is why I recommend looking into Jesse's program on sexual non verbal.
So she then tells me that the service was going to take till next day, I didnt really paid attentions and then she repeated it again (like a person retelling the punchline of a joke) and I was a bit aloof I was like "Ok, Why? "
and she said : "Im kidding"
from there I didnt know how to respond to that tease or IOI. ???????
So I just said "you are such a kidder.you almost got me"
she said : "yeah you almost felt for that I could see it in your face"
(not sure what that meant but she was cool and being cool, flirty)
the guy came back and I tried to exchanged numbers fast but I didnt set the timebrdige for the next time or next meeting which I usually do cause It felt rushed.I usually ask abit more about a girl to make her think why Id be interested in her in the first place. anyways one the pink AMOG was back he was trying to tool me abit I guess, I just ignored the fuck out of him completely..SWOOSH__= out of my reality .LOL
I wanted you guys opinion on this interaction as Im improving as Im going. this has been somewhat of when girls tease or flirt that way..at times I get __lost in the moment__ which I think is abit wrong...
she gives a verbal interest or indirect tease or responds to your tease or flirt back verbally what you do?
cause she was basically checking me out and throwing teases at me in flirty way.
any other observations comments here is welcomed.
Thanks
NOTE: I would have gone direct, but I rather my non verbals be direct, somewhat it is more exciting when you dont go direct verbally and non verbally you are communicating with her (FOR ME PERSONALLY,as Im reviewing Jesse's product on non verbal sexual )..the AMOG chode obviously felt competition, I never even acknowledged him being there.So nonverbal is more powerful.
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Action will destroy your procrastination.- Og Mandino
Thursday, December 16, 2010
FR: SNL fuckup at CVS franco and JESSE Charger comments on sticking points
It was Saturday, around midnight I was coming from a party and went to local CVS/Walgreens to buy a marker.
I went in and was for a few minutes as I turn at the end of the aisle a girl with her PJ on makes sexual eye contact and I smile and she smiles back.
she was entering the aisle as I was turning so distance between each other was less than 3 feet away from personal space.She hold eye contact as I hold it as well and I smiled back. I at first didnt realize it until seconds later that I should have apparoched.
then as Im fighting with myself to talk with her and what to say or go direct or whatever stupidity that was keeping me.
I went towards the cashier to pay and she is with her cart at the aisle and she is looking at me from a far playing wiht her hair or IOIing.
it was 12:15 am.
I wait abit as Im looking for change or whatever and pay.
I go out and think what to do , and was texting myself as asking myself what to do in midst of uncertainty.
I felt I was now being creepy if I approached her as I'm outside the store, but it was clear at that moment that that type of IOI and sexual energy from her and me towards her at this time of night is looking for company aka sex.
I see her leave in her car and as I at the light she gets next to my car in her car,we get to the light and next to each other in our cars and its obvious that I should do something.
I get a text from a friend out of the blue and tell him whats going on, he LOL'd cause he never had that happen to him.
Anyways,
I didnt open nor approached , I hesitated and didnt know if I was creepying her out.
I know masculinity was what was going to take to make this work and waht she was waiting for.
next she turns and say fuck it,
Then she reepears next to me in her car, I didnt find courage to turn my head or what to do again we are at stop light already blocks away from the store.
then we drive near the motels section of miami and she gets in front of me and turns to right. then as I drive I she she turned and was waiting or had been waiting half a block.
Anywyas I was confused whether she thought I was following her or theres something wrong with my inner game or way of thinking when some girl opens that window to have sex or IOI's without my doing anything.
Afterwards I wanted to beat myself up cause I didnt do anything which was stupid of me cause this never happened to me.
Typical community advice poisons men's minds by saying we have to try hard to get women.When there can be situation where you dont have to do anythign but talk to her and pace and lead to sex.
I think it would have been awful calibration if i NEGGED the woman for looking at me sexually rather than use that energy of sex and escalate.
Still I would like to hear anyone would have done in this situation feel free to comment aby observations
thanks
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>Typical community advice poisons men's minds by saying we have to try hard to get women.When there >can be situation where you dont have to do anythign but talk to her and pace and lead to sex.
Exactly. What happened was a "dead approach invitation." What she was doing was giving you an approach invitation. When a woman gives an approach invitation you have a few seconds to respond. At that point instead of messing with your own brain thinking "what kind of technique" I can use on this girl you simply get rapport and open.
>I think it would have been awful calibration if i NEGGED the woman for looking at me sexually rather >than use that energy of sex and escalate.
Agree. If you neg a woman who is giving you an approach invitation you are doing a miscalibration. She is doing something positive, she is showing interest. Negging her on that is a mistake.
>Still I would like to hear anyone would have done in this situation feel free to comment aby observations
>thanks[/quote]
One can be busy with other stuff and not have the time to react on approach invitations. The best way of dealing with approach invitations is to either respond with rapport under seconds or not respond ad all and forget her. If you do not respond fast on approach invitation you have lost the chance but that does not need to become an obsession!Cheers, Franco
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Well how about just "hi"? Always works for me...
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Originally Posted by Sandee
I hesitated cause the night before I tried taking a girl I met to a Motel here in miami to have sex and she freaked out when I took her there, eventhough minutes before at the beach that night I was fingering and making out with her.
Weird or my miscalibration?
I think that this particular situation was because you pushed to fast, but without possibility of real close... The girl probably knew the sex was coming, but the way you approached the seduction may have been too pushy (not enought pulling).
Also what I'd suggest to you, in general, (and this might contradict a lot of other literature) is when you are under too much pressure, just let the opportunity pass and relax. You are just not ready at this specific time. The best think to do it to start from small talk with somebody with who you can communicate to avoid and to get used to pressure, so later you can do a normal approach.
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I wanted to edit the name of this post to
"FR:missed casual encounter for sex at latenight drugstrore"
I would have said hi,
I know this I fucked up , but I know its on and we are at a drugstore and she is horny...and we are both in cars so I never had this issue.
I'm sure I didnt need to makeout necesarily, but needed to subcommunicate sex is going to happen but not verbalize it and timebridge to share a late night dessert together and BOOM close..
in the past,pregame I pick-up a girl from a pharmacy and she was outside waiting , I offered her a ride cause it was late and bad neighbourhood.
she gave me a hesitant physical shit test and I acted cool.I was casual not wanting anything just chillin', minutes in the car I bought and invited her beer from the store, we cruised around for 20 minutes and I remember I AFC'd and I asked her where you want to go? and she said anywhere,I dont mind...I assumed and took her straight to motel and she fucked me hard and wanted more and more.That was one of the night I will never forget.
I never saw her again cause when a week later passed by , she was with a man.her BF or husband whatever.
I never had a chance to ask her for her phone.
I also had a woman whom I met and she gave me physical shit test before going up to her place,we both didnt have time for a date and just met her, I texted her to meetup and called her, I told her that "its too bad that we wont be able to see each other that we are both busy? " she then went horny sexual on the phone about her wanting to suck my cock...I just responded
"you are something arent you what am I going to do with you ? "
( in a deep sexual tone of voice ) I told her where she lives by and she told me, then I asked her
"how many minutes do you need to get ready?" she said 15, I said cool and hanged up.
I took a shower , I made sure to look sexy, got there called her...she wasnt that cute but she was ready to go by her vibe and on the phone.
she was stalling and I just spoke with a deep voice and noticed her congruence testing me non verbally,physical shit test ,
I just stared at her with eye contact with a sly sexy smile...and she invited me up....I was talking to her for abit about myself and as she opened the door to her appartment she got on her knees and wanted to suck on my dick, I unziped my jeans and she was sucking it like it was delicious candy.
we had sex and I remmember I made her squirt and she wanted anal, iwas partially leading but she was just out of control horny and I LOVED IT! We dirty talked and I aksed her if she wanted to cocks inside her and I used a dildo to DP her while I was inside her...she said it was amazing..
afterwards. I never saw her again.eventhough I exchanged emails her telling that we should do it again sometime...but she was supposed to move to midwest soon so we lost touch.
Last encounters like this when you asked about her afterwards or kindah seeking rapport....it make it look really needy and clingy.
The girl would get turned off I guess, So I dont do that.
Im surprised anyone hasnt posted any comments here,has this not ever happend to anyone? a casual encounter for sex ?
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Sandee, I'm going to answer your first post.
Now that you're thinking about this girl in retrospect, it's obvious she was down for sex and she was giving you lots of huge, blatant IOIs and signals.
And you're kicking yourself that you did nothing to respond, playing it cold instead.
I think you had a mismatch in energies. She was in a very outward state, and you were in a very inward state, inside your head. You probably weren't smiling and thinking about an intellectual task at hand.
It would be like as if you were doing math problems and deep in thought, and then suddenly found yourself teleported into a dance club. You'd be thrown off, and freeze up.
It's best if when you're out you have that "inner smile" and checking out the chicks and horny and ready for anything and everything to go down.
But it's so rare and strange that girl is just ready to fuck like a female dog in heat, that we get lazy about being in an outward state.
So what's my advice to you ultimately in this case? My suggestion is that perhaps the problem occurred BEFORE you ever got to the CVS.
So is there anyway your state and mindset could have been different when you casually go out, so that when this opportunity arises, you're mentally ready to take advantage of it?
I went in and was for a few minutes as I turn at the end of the aisle a girl with her PJ on makes sexual eye contact and I smile and she smiles back.
she was entering the aisle as I was turning so distance between each other was less than 3 feet away from personal space.She hold eye contact as I hold it as well and I smiled back. I at first didnt realize it until seconds later that I should have apparoched.
then as Im fighting with myself to talk with her and what to say or go direct or whatever stupidity that was keeping me.
I went towards the cashier to pay and she is with her cart at the aisle and she is looking at me from a far playing wiht her hair or IOIing.
it was 12:15 am.
I wait abit as Im looking for change or whatever and pay.
I go out and think what to do , and was texting myself as asking myself what to do in midst of uncertainty.
I felt I was now being creepy if I approached her as I'm outside the store, but it was clear at that moment that that type of IOI and sexual energy from her and me towards her at this time of night is looking for company aka sex.
I see her leave in her car and as I at the light she gets next to my car in her car,we get to the light and next to each other in our cars and its obvious that I should do something.
I get a text from a friend out of the blue and tell him whats going on, he LOL'd cause he never had that happen to him.
Anyways,
I didnt open nor approached , I hesitated and didnt know if I was creepying her out.
I know masculinity was what was going to take to make this work and waht she was waiting for.
next she turns and say fuck it,
Then she reepears next to me in her car, I didnt find courage to turn my head or what to do again we are at stop light already blocks away from the store.
then we drive near the motels section of miami and she gets in front of me and turns to right. then as I drive I she she turned and was waiting or had been waiting half a block.
Anywyas I was confused whether she thought I was following her or theres something wrong with my inner game or way of thinking when some girl opens that window to have sex or IOI's without my doing anything.
Afterwards I wanted to beat myself up cause I didnt do anything which was stupid of me cause this never happened to me.
Typical community advice poisons men's minds by saying we have to try hard to get women.When there can be situation where you dont have to do anythign but talk to her and pace and lead to sex.
I think it would have been awful calibration if i NEGGED the woman for looking at me sexually rather than use that energy of sex and escalate.
Still I would like to hear anyone would have done in this situation feel free to comment aby observations
thanks
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>Typical community advice poisons men's minds by saying we have to try hard to get women.When there >can be situation where you dont have to do anythign but talk to her and pace and lead to sex.
Exactly. What happened was a "dead approach invitation." What she was doing was giving you an approach invitation. When a woman gives an approach invitation you have a few seconds to respond. At that point instead of messing with your own brain thinking "what kind of technique" I can use on this girl you simply get rapport and open.
>I think it would have been awful calibration if i NEGGED the woman for looking at me sexually rather >than use that energy of sex and escalate.
Agree. If you neg a woman who is giving you an approach invitation you are doing a miscalibration. She is doing something positive, she is showing interest. Negging her on that is a mistake.
>Still I would like to hear anyone would have done in this situation feel free to comment aby observations
>thanks[/quote]
One can be busy with other stuff and not have the time to react on approach invitations. The best way of dealing with approach invitations is to either respond with rapport under seconds or not respond ad all and forget her. If you do not respond fast on approach invitation you have lost the chance but that does not need to become an obsession!Cheers, Franco
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Well how about just "hi"? Always works for me...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandee
I hesitated cause the night before I tried taking a girl I met to a Motel here in miami to have sex and she freaked out when I took her there, eventhough minutes before at the beach that night I was fingering and making out with her.
Weird or my miscalibration?
I think that this particular situation was because you pushed to fast, but without possibility of real close... The girl probably knew the sex was coming, but the way you approached the seduction may have been too pushy (not enought pulling).
Also what I'd suggest to you, in general, (and this might contradict a lot of other literature) is when you are under too much pressure, just let the opportunity pass and relax. You are just not ready at this specific time. The best think to do it to start from small talk with somebody with who you can communicate to avoid and to get used to pressure, so later you can do a normal approach.
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There is plenty of time to relax and mellow when dead. Life is very short and there is plenty of work to be done.
I wanted to edit the name of this post to
"FR:missed casual encounter for sex at latenight drugstrore"
I would have said hi,
I know this I fucked up , but I know its on and we are at a drugstore and she is horny...and we are both in cars so I never had this issue.
I'm sure I didnt need to makeout necesarily, but needed to subcommunicate sex is going to happen but not verbalize it and timebridge to share a late night dessert together and BOOM close..
in the past,pregame I pick-up a girl from a pharmacy and she was outside waiting , I offered her a ride cause it was late and bad neighbourhood.
she gave me a hesitant physical shit test and I acted cool.I was casual not wanting anything just chillin', minutes in the car I bought and invited her beer from the store, we cruised around for 20 minutes and I remember I AFC'd and I asked her where you want to go? and she said anywhere,I dont mind...I assumed and took her straight to motel and she fucked me hard and wanted more and more.That was one of the night I will never forget.
I never saw her again cause when a week later passed by , she was with a man.her BF or husband whatever.
I never had a chance to ask her for her phone.
I also had a woman whom I met and she gave me physical shit test before going up to her place,we both didnt have time for a date and just met her, I texted her to meetup and called her, I told her that "its too bad that we wont be able to see each other that we are both busy? " she then went horny sexual on the phone about her wanting to suck my cock...I just responded
"you are something arent you what am I going to do with you ? "
( in a deep sexual tone of voice ) I told her where she lives by and she told me, then I asked her
"how many minutes do you need to get ready?" she said 15, I said cool and hanged up.
I took a shower , I made sure to look sexy, got there called her...she wasnt that cute but she was ready to go by her vibe and on the phone.
she was stalling and I just spoke with a deep voice and noticed her congruence testing me non verbally,physical shit test ,
I just stared at her with eye contact with a sly sexy smile...and she invited me up....I was talking to her for abit about myself and as she opened the door to her appartment she got on her knees and wanted to suck on my dick, I unziped my jeans and she was sucking it like it was delicious candy.
we had sex and I remmember I made her squirt and she wanted anal, iwas partially leading but she was just out of control horny and I LOVED IT! We dirty talked and I aksed her if she wanted to cocks inside her and I used a dildo to DP her while I was inside her...she said it was amazing..
afterwards. I never saw her again.eventhough I exchanged emails her telling that we should do it again sometime...but she was supposed to move to midwest soon so we lost touch.
Last encounters like this when you asked about her afterwards or kindah seeking rapport....it make it look really needy and clingy.
The girl would get turned off I guess, So I dont do that.
Im surprised anyone hasnt posted any comments here,has this not ever happend to anyone? a casual encounter for sex ?
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Sandee, I'm going to answer your first post.
Now that you're thinking about this girl in retrospect, it's obvious she was down for sex and she was giving you lots of huge, blatant IOIs and signals.
And you're kicking yourself that you did nothing to respond, playing it cold instead.
I think you had a mismatch in energies. She was in a very outward state, and you were in a very inward state, inside your head. You probably weren't smiling and thinking about an intellectual task at hand.
It would be like as if you were doing math problems and deep in thought, and then suddenly found yourself teleported into a dance club. You'd be thrown off, and freeze up.
It's best if when you're out you have that "inner smile" and checking out the chicks and horny and ready for anything and everything to go down.
But it's so rare and strange that girl is just ready to fuck like a female dog in heat, that we get lazy about being in an outward state.
So what's my advice to you ultimately in this case? My suggestion is that perhaps the problem occurred BEFORE you ever got to the CVS.
So is there anyway your state and mindset could have been different when you casually go out, so that when this opportunity arises, you're mentally ready to take advantage of it?
Wednesday, December 15, 2010
FR:Girl lonely at a bar at 3am and I get AMOGd by chodes
Hello Sandros,
First of all get rid of negative frames like "failed seduction" they stuff your mind with emotions which impair your game.
There is no failure: only feedback.
let´s examine the feedback we can get from this case:
papa sandros wrote:
This FR is very very RAW I worte it out of bein a littel upset and tipsy...and its unedited.
>then she said she was looking for the bartender that told >her that he wanted to fuck her in a direct way....She siad >guys being direct turned her on.....I was like that sounds >cool but he isnt here tonight ...
This can mean two things:
1. She is telling you how to seduce her = she wants you to be a direct mother fucker in order to have her agree to have sex with you.
or ( this is more likely to be true)
2. She is a cock teaser..
The strategy is different depending on which one of the two.
>she said she wasnt happy and unemployed.
>I DIDNT KNOW HOW TO RESPOND WO COMING OFF TOO >SUBSERVIANT and TURN IT INTO A POSITIVE THING
When a girl gives you a too over sexual clue stop talking about anything connected with sex. If she is a cock teaser she will use that to betaise you.
Instead work on the principle: "Don´t explicate, demonstrate"
I would comment to this like
"Oh nice to hear that the guy wants you to have a great time"
And then I would stop any discussion connected with sex and focus on isolating her.
The asshole part of me I would put out when we are in isolation.
>so I just said" Im student now so its kidah hard on myself >too ,just waiting to finish"
>as I went into asking if she read cosmo to transition to >transition into sex talk she says NO! and she is more of GQ >girl and grew up with liking guys stuff... I DIDNT KNOW >HOW TO RECOVER !
She is telling you she is a masculine girl, maybe Daddy´s daughter.
This is the kind of girl who likes to be taken by a muscular gym teacher who teaches her how to pump iron and then fucks her.
If... she is not cock teasing you.. see there are Freak girls around who enjoy getting the guys to the edge of their sexual desire and then.. disappear.
>I said Im going to restroom be back and she said she go out >for a smoke..
>I came back and chodes were surrounding her.. CHODE >LEERING and PEERING
Giving her the attention she was craving for when she went to the bar. Notice: I said attention, not sex.
>I intro myself and they left play pool...for now ...but they >keep looking over in spectator mode.
>since I noticed her IOI another guy chode amogs
>to spike her BT I took out my fake 80's DG sunglasses and >put it on her
>and seed the timebridge with friend and afterhours,
>"I want you to come with me it will be fun", she said no I >cant I live nearby and I m just hanging out ..... ( yeah >hanging out at 3am
>what are you talking about?!)
Ok you could have said: "I am sure you have a nice kitchen. Let´s go to have a look at your kitchen" See the only way to f.close her is to have her away from the place she gets attention.. if she refuses isolation in spite of a very self-confident approach from you that means she will be there all the night fishing for attention and "maybe" go for the sex .. or go home alone.
>THE AMOG SCENE : then I fluff talk but she kept looking >around and "whsperer amog" comes to side he doesnt know >her, whisperes in her ear she looks at me and she laughs >and looks at him...
Well she is playing the field for attention. See, remember this: for women and especially of the Freak type attention is far more important than sex.
You need to remember on what she focuses in her game..
>I then interupt and introduce myslef ..he doesnt comply >and walks off but keeps looking at her while he is playing >darts ...
>I start preping and SOI, she then starts feeling tension from >getting all female attention from the venue and she keeps >looking at pool table and darts side while Im talking to her...
>I then say " HEY! look at me Im talking to you! HELLO!" kind >of in a dominant way ( NOT SURE ITF THIS IS OK OR FUCK >UP)
>she says like "yes" she looks right at me ...I go into story on >female sex or natural women patter type improv I was doing >and
>I told her to "OK, lets go gt out of here"
>she was like " Im staying here sorry Im not thet type of girl"
See: fishing for attention. She is the same girl who told you that the bartender told he wants to fuck her and that she likes direct men.
So: she is cock teasing you. Using the sex hook to get attention..
>I was like " Shut up! shut up right now! I think your are >cute and want to be with you"
>whisperer taps on her shoulder to come play darts ...
>keeps whisperering again and I say "dude whats up man! " in >a pissed way a little but subcommunication of wtf are you >doing?!
>he wonders off but keeps looking...
>she looks at me hard eye contact like sexual tension >building but says
>" last time I had a one night stand I ended up in a >relationship , Im just going to play darts and pool with the >boys"
Ok she wants to make sure that if she has sex you will not become the jealous possessive boy who stalks her..
amoggs came to check in and say "is everything alright?" I said yes and she just looked and he left but kept leering...
>I said " Do you want to come with me? I really like to fuck >you in the ass" and smiled with a smirk ala benicio del toro >in traffic
>she stared at me for congruence test and said
>"I'd really like that ...but Im not going to do that "
Ok she told you plain that she is enjoying the teasing game she is doing in the bar and the attention of the boys and having fun cock teasing guys.
Next time a girl tries to cock tease you with sex what you have to do is to shift the game to something boring and neutral like financial news and politics and then escalate on her with your kino without saying a word about sex.
She asks: "What you are doing?" when you touch her hand
You say: "I think next year the financial forecast is getting better" and put your hand on her ass..
If you do not verbalize SEX or anything else she will be forced to submit to kino of push you away which will ruin her need for communication and need for cock teasing you..
>" So, Im going to go play pool now.."
>I was like " You are soo full of shit ; ) " and I left...kindah >of upset and yet didnt pull....
Now nice to be cock teased.. next time you will be better with cock teasers.
Jesse comments:
[QUOTE=Jesse Charger;4747]Cool, she's giving you tips how to get her.
Just ignore it. don't react.
You handled this okay. Just ignore him.
Breaking rapport tonality? Loud? That's the way to go.
Have you touched her yet? You should be touching her in some way pretty quickly into the interaction.
If you're going to give compliments late in the interaction, they should be either
a) hard core outrageous pimp talk. "Listen, I want to put my babies all up inside you"
OR
b) push pull. "Listen, I want to be with you. wait, what are you doing to me, you're putting me under some sort of spell... keep away from me... no wait... I love you"
Cool.
She likes you, but it's not such hard attraction that she's chasing you down. You need more touching, push pull compliments...
Damn, this guy is annoying me too.
Pimp talk. Great. But you need physical contact with it.
You did pretty well overall.... what about physical contact? Pure verbal game is difficult to get hard attraction with a girl.[/QUOTE]
First of all get rid of negative frames like "failed seduction" they stuff your mind with emotions which impair your game.
There is no failure: only feedback.
let´s examine the feedback we can get from this case:
papa sandros wrote:
This FR is very very RAW I worte it out of bein a littel upset and tipsy...and its unedited.
>then she said she was looking for the bartender that told >her that he wanted to fuck her in a direct way....She siad >guys being direct turned her on.....I was like that sounds >cool but he isnt here tonight ...
This can mean two things:
1. She is telling you how to seduce her = she wants you to be a direct mother fucker in order to have her agree to have sex with you.
or ( this is more likely to be true)
2. She is a cock teaser..
The strategy is different depending on which one of the two.
>she said she wasnt happy and unemployed.
>I DIDNT KNOW HOW TO RESPOND WO COMING OFF TOO >SUBSERVIANT and TURN IT INTO A POSITIVE THING
When a girl gives you a too over sexual clue stop talking about anything connected with sex. If she is a cock teaser she will use that to betaise you.
Instead work on the principle: "Don´t explicate, demonstrate"
I would comment to this like
"Oh nice to hear that the guy wants you to have a great time"
And then I would stop any discussion connected with sex and focus on isolating her.
The asshole part of me I would put out when we are in isolation.
>so I just said" Im student now so its kidah hard on myself >too ,just waiting to finish"
>as I went into asking if she read cosmo to transition to >transition into sex talk she says NO! and she is more of GQ >girl and grew up with liking guys stuff... I DIDNT KNOW >HOW TO RECOVER !
She is telling you she is a masculine girl, maybe Daddy´s daughter.
This is the kind of girl who likes to be taken by a muscular gym teacher who teaches her how to pump iron and then fucks her.
If... she is not cock teasing you.. see there are Freak girls around who enjoy getting the guys to the edge of their sexual desire and then.. disappear.
>I said Im going to restroom be back and she said she go out >for a smoke..
>I came back and chodes were surrounding her.. CHODE >LEERING and PEERING
Giving her the attention she was craving for when she went to the bar. Notice: I said attention, not sex.
>I intro myself and they left play pool...for now ...but they >keep looking over in spectator mode.
>since I noticed her IOI another guy chode amogs
>to spike her BT I took out my fake 80's DG sunglasses and >put it on her
>and seed the timebridge with friend and afterhours,
>"I want you to come with me it will be fun", she said no I >cant I live nearby and I m just hanging out ..... ( yeah >hanging out at 3am
>what are you talking about?!)
Ok you could have said: "I am sure you have a nice kitchen. Let´s go to have a look at your kitchen" See the only way to f.close her is to have her away from the place she gets attention.. if she refuses isolation in spite of a very self-confident approach from you that means she will be there all the night fishing for attention and "maybe" go for the sex .. or go home alone.
>THE AMOG SCENE : then I fluff talk but she kept looking >around and "whsperer amog" comes to side he doesnt know >her, whisperes in her ear she looks at me and she laughs >and looks at him...
Well she is playing the field for attention. See, remember this: for women and especially of the Freak type attention is far more important than sex.
You need to remember on what she focuses in her game..
>I then interupt and introduce myslef ..he doesnt comply >and walks off but keeps looking at her while he is playing >darts ...
>I start preping and SOI, she then starts feeling tension from >getting all female attention from the venue and she keeps >looking at pool table and darts side while Im talking to her...
>I then say " HEY! look at me Im talking to you! HELLO!" kind >of in a dominant way ( NOT SURE ITF THIS IS OK OR FUCK >UP)
>she says like "yes" she looks right at me ...I go into story on >female sex or natural women patter type improv I was doing >and
>I told her to "OK, lets go gt out of here"
>she was like " Im staying here sorry Im not thet type of girl"
See: fishing for attention. She is the same girl who told you that the bartender told he wants to fuck her and that she likes direct men.
So: she is cock teasing you. Using the sex hook to get attention..
>I was like " Shut up! shut up right now! I think your are >cute and want to be with you"
>whisperer taps on her shoulder to come play darts ...
>keeps whisperering again and I say "dude whats up man! " in >a pissed way a little but subcommunication of wtf are you >doing?!
>he wonders off but keeps looking...
>she looks at me hard eye contact like sexual tension >building but says
>" last time I had a one night stand I ended up in a >relationship , Im just going to play darts and pool with the >boys"
Ok she wants to make sure that if she has sex you will not become the jealous possessive boy who stalks her..
amoggs came to check in and say "is everything alright?" I said yes and she just looked and he left but kept leering...
>I said " Do you want to come with me? I really like to fuck >you in the ass" and smiled with a smirk ala benicio del toro >in traffic
>she stared at me for congruence test and said
>"I'd really like that ...but Im not going to do that "
Ok she told you plain that she is enjoying the teasing game she is doing in the bar and the attention of the boys and having fun cock teasing guys.
Next time a girl tries to cock tease you with sex what you have to do is to shift the game to something boring and neutral like financial news and politics and then escalate on her with your kino without saying a word about sex.
She asks: "What you are doing?" when you touch her hand
You say: "I think next year the financial forecast is getting better" and put your hand on her ass..
If you do not verbalize SEX or anything else she will be forced to submit to kino of push you away which will ruin her need for communication and need for cock teasing you..
>" So, Im going to go play pool now.."
>I was like " You are soo full of shit ; ) " and I left...kindah >of upset and yet didnt pull....
Now nice to be cock teased.. next time you will be better with cock teasers.
Jesse comments:
[QUOTE=Jesse Charger;4747]Cool, she's giving you tips how to get her.
Just ignore it. don't react.
You handled this okay. Just ignore him.
Breaking rapport tonality? Loud? That's the way to go.
Have you touched her yet? You should be touching her in some way pretty quickly into the interaction.
If you're going to give compliments late in the interaction, they should be either
a) hard core outrageous pimp talk. "Listen, I want to put my babies all up inside you"
OR
b) push pull. "Listen, I want to be with you. wait, what are you doing to me, you're putting me under some sort of spell... keep away from me... no wait... I love you"
Cool.
She likes you, but it's not such hard attraction that she's chasing you down. You need more touching, push pull compliments...
Damn, this guy is annoying me too.
Pimp talk. Great. But you need physical contact with it.
You did pretty well overall.... what about physical contact? Pure verbal game is difficult to get hard attraction with a girl.[/QUOTE]
Thursday, October 7, 2010
meeting different types of girls in a fashion show
I just came back from a fashion show alot of celebrities and models.
small crowd, it was invite only.
In Miami btw.
It was my first, I was dressed well and got some girls to check me out.
I enjoyed myself there and learned how easy it can be to get laid off there.
Ofcourse there were guys who didnt belong there and subcommunication gave that off easily.
i saw several non models who came to after party and looked around the room screening the room and trying to catch eye contact.
I guess she felt alone and was looking for a good time.
other girls where there to hang aaround celebrity and try to get laid or at least get laid.
I had a great time and noticed some things that can help me from the experience and networking.
I will try to write a FR with some notes for my blog but will try to post them here.
some guys in pua call it social circle game, but I think for this particular type of events its the perceived value rather than the most well dressed man in the room or the best looking man...well depends if you are celebrity.lol.
Girls are easy to talk with and no need to go direct unless you decided to stay in set with that particular one and try to go for a SNL.
some dating coaches cant advise or coach these type of scenarios.
fashion show? models? i mean real models? Celebritys.Real celebrities ? yes the guys you see on TV? try to see yourself there wthout acting like a touristy fan asking for picture autograph..lol.
i have alot on my mind and very hungry but will try to post it here if you'd like. Im definately writting this up for my blog.
small crowd, it was invite only.
In Miami btw.
It was my first, I was dressed well and got some girls to check me out.
I enjoyed myself there and learned how easy it can be to get laid off there.
Ofcourse there were guys who didnt belong there and subcommunication gave that off easily.
i saw several non models who came to after party and looked around the room screening the room and trying to catch eye contact.
I guess she felt alone and was looking for a good time.
other girls where there to hang aaround celebrity and try to get laid or at least get laid.
I had a great time and noticed some things that can help me from the experience and networking.
I will try to write a FR with some notes for my blog but will try to post them here.
some guys in pua call it social circle game, but I think for this particular type of events its the perceived value rather than the most well dressed man in the room or the best looking man...well depends if you are celebrity.lol.
Girls are easy to talk with and no need to go direct unless you decided to stay in set with that particular one and try to go for a SNL.
some dating coaches cant advise or coach these type of scenarios.
fashion show? models? i mean real models? Celebritys.Real celebrities ? yes the guys you see on TV? try to see yourself there wthout acting like a touristy fan asking for picture autograph..lol.
i have alot on my mind and very hungry but will try to post it here if you'd like. Im definately writting this up for my blog.
Tuesday, May 4, 2010
Re: FR: "she will fix your plumbing"Failed same night seduction
Re: FR: "she will fix your plumbing"Failed same night seduction
Hello Sandros,
My comments in line
>So this happened 2 weeks ago,
>Apparently, I’ve been starting to notice women checking me out and when you lose that edge you had >getting laid consistently or MOJO, you become apathetic.
>But then I started to notice girls, I'd look at them at store and they look back very subtle with the >corner of their eyes, and they would stand still and play with their hair...(IOI)
>I’d get intimidated a bit since I’ve been away from "player mode"
>Seeing the open opportunity of Approach Invitation but like my old self would say:
>"Oh man she likes it, go talk to her"
>That was turning point of how I have balanced my life, to now to re-enter the seducer mentality.
>Of course I was uncalibrated and creeped a couple girls out here and there but fixing that initial step >was easy.
>LONG STORY SHORT
>The House Party
>There were a couple of girls there but I was already SOCIAL PROOF.
>it was my family's house and hosting an event of 60 people in our yard and by pool deck...beer and >music.
>-stripper look alike was w her BF but would catch glimpse of me, she was so like slutty.lol
>-the tall young blonde 18 yr old, got cockblocked by her grandma when I was trying to build comfort >awesome compliance trying to isolate her in my room.lmao and her grandma would try to qualify me >and disqualify the girl to me. And she took her away and they left the party.
>3 set- hb mariE , hb marG , hb drunk
>They were in a group and I didn’t know them, they came with a dude.
>They left party 8pm and came back later in the night.12:30 midnight.
>when they came back they looked for me and approached with
>"HEY WE ARE BACK" tipsy or whatever it was 12:30 midnight.
>Anyways I was catching their eye contact or checking me out,
>I mean ALOT from hb mariE & hb marG.
>So they opened me later w convo, I was there and was cocky funny, they laughed and they left me >leaving me isolated with hb mariE and ejected to show non clinginess.
>Then later again they indirect re open me with wanting to get a drink for them all and that they are >short with money,, they were all tipsy and pull out a bunch of cents out and started counting......
Ouch... the girls testing you and running the Materialista game.. and it´s even a test in group.. did you tell them to cook for you a meal that night?
>I told them "what is this?" trying to tease them for it and they stared at me weird....I guess it was too >much (breaking rapport) felt it embarrassed them too harsh and what not (makinging me look like >asshole).
Too much breaking rapport? What you? The social security?
>I said I will treat you guys since you seem cool. Got them 3 soda cans and went to do other stuff as I’m >trying to fractionate, Just being HOST and NOT LOOK CHEAP or clingy cause I gave them drinks of soda.
>MISTAKE w body language or delivery?? They didn’t process as a tease therefore looked at me weird.
Shit test failed my friend. You should have responded like this while kinoing several of them (I mean hand on the ass of one girl, hand on the ass of the other girl ) and then...
Sandros: "Are you guys good at cooking pasta? I adore pasta food."
>Then shortly after, the bartender and my brother told me those girls are asking about you
For sure.. and for a new drink
>"where’s papa sandros?"
>I think she is checking you out. Talking about hb mariE.
>Hb marG was hotter and seem horny-er.
>Looks like a HOT latin girl who'd do weather forecast in a LATIN TV channel.
>but I fucked it up with this here:
>they went to the pool side and hb marG took of her shoes and looked at me sexually, I just stared back >and tried teasing her to spike BT,since she took of her shoes and put her feet in the water she was at >low energy kindah tipsy and it came off weird, the me teasing her part of it
>she looked at me weird like WTF?
Hmm.. feels like you need more experience with cocky and funny. One good way to use cocky and funny is to use something she says.. like for example:
Her: "What´s your job?"
You: "I work ONCE A YEAR in bank" (pretending to be a criminal)
>I felt it killed attraction w uncalibrated teasing. With a disappointed look on her face.FUCK.
>MISTAKE????
No there are no "mistakes" only feedback.
>Hb drunk was too drunk and party was being directed inside the house because it was 2:30am she was >talking to ugly chumps.
>5 minutes later, As they were in house, Hb mariE bumps into me spills her drink and I isolate her to the >kitchen to give her paper towel.
>I was running great touching in the interaction but something was OFF so I pull back a bit.
How do you know it was off? If she was getting very drunk it means she controlled her own horniness by being drunk.
Freaky girls use getting drunk very often to control their own horniness.
>I give her paper towel and I turn to "lock-in" to appear her investing interest in me through body >language.
>I started qualifying by pacing and leading:
> vibbing,
>what you do when you’re not hanging out w your friends?
>where you live by,live by yourself?
>got plans tomorrow morning or relaxing?
>where are you staying over tonight?
>what you do for fun? you seem interesting.
This is not good vibbing. You should avoid making girls personal questions. You should vibe with stories about YOURSELF or something neutral. If you make her questions you make of her the prize.
You should be the PRIZE.
You: "You can´t imagine it.. last week I was at a party and who I run into? My former girlfriend dressed as a police officer.."
This is a story about YOU and YOUR EX. Not her. You are the prize here.
>basically included logistical questions to figure out the pull.staying w friends house.
>she was investing into the convo and seemed like she did want to talk to me ... I was vibbing in >between qualifiers to figure out logistics and gage interest, she was wearing a herblife shirt like >bekham.
>I touched her below her tits on shirt,I said: "herblife eh?"
>she kept staring at my lips and sexual eye contact again at me.
Ok this was a good one anyway again your are commenting something about HER.
>I looked at her same and FELT sexual tension from her as I touch hair to side from her eyes to create >intimacy connection like before a kiss.
>I couldnt get away from the view from her friends so I didnt go for kiss, then next thing to get her to >isolate to talk more BUT
>felt it was a chance to get her to a room or somewhere private to get intimate .....no joke. I sense she >was horny.
>I felt like I wanted to sexual escalate there and fast.
You can escalate also when the friends are there..
>So after that I said "come here ,want to show you something"
>Grabed her hand to isolate to the room next to a bathroom so that the other people wont see us .
>she was there halfway and her Anti SLUT radar rang the ALARM...
>she said :"Oh NO, you go ahead"
Proper response: hand on her ass and "Ladies first! I am a gentleman"
Don´t let a woman impose her frame on you. REFRAME HER.
>I had to improvise and act like uneedy. go in room relax, then came back out she was waiting at >kitchen still for me.
>acted like nothing and smiled at her.
>she started talking about her t shirt beckham herblfe and told me she workd herblfe and she could >come over my house another day and she can take measurements of my body, so we number exchange.
Oh this is a huge IOI from her but there is a problem: she is shifting it into the future. That´s a way she uses to control horniness.
>After number close,I walked away to avoid losing attraction by coming needy and or eager.
>So I went off to other things...since they were only girls there.
>then as they were leaving
>hb mariE screams in front of her friends
>"hey sandros call me tomorrow ok"
>I smiled at her like yeah w playing hard to get look
>her friend HB MarG screams:"call her, she will fix your plumbing"
Ahahaha.. so after all you were the soul of the party. That´s good.
>THEY ALL LAUGHED.
>sunday i wasnt feeling it, tired as fuck, plus I wasnt sure about her.I had gone for the pull.
It´s inner game issue. This girls gave you huge IOIs.
>she was telling me to call her and it seemed she was trying to lead me or frame her leadership.
>so I called her on monday and not sunday
No done in front of the group was a huge IOI
>she didnt call me back,
Of course see these girls in parties have to be taken there when they are IN STATE.>thursday I call leave a short message
"hey whats up dork,been busy ...wanted to catch up with what we were talking about ,so ..... talk to you laters "
Never, never leave messages in answering machine. Also get a private number so that when you call she cannot now who calls.
>She didnt return my call. I felt by trying it would show neediness, I had girls call me back and I know I >dont have to try hard.
Simply her state changed from the party girl to the everyday good girl
>I didnt know what to do at that time then realized the message was vague and wasnt chaallenging to >the woman.
>I also think I wasnt persistent with keeping the momentum.mistake.
>REVIEW OF TEXT INTERACTION IF NOT YOU CAN SKIP TO SUMMARY
>2 week later:
>Theres a new party this weekend again.
>I re texted her w
>" hey whats up flake party this weekend "
You are acknowledging her flake MISTAKE. That puts her in the position of the Prize again. Never acknowledge flakes or anything else she does which might lower your value.
>her: who is this?
>Me: guess?
>her: No! seriusly who is this ?
>me: are you kidding me? dont tell me you give out your number to random guys? I feel so cheap.
>her: I dont know who is this?
I don´t know who is this = shit test
>me: Ok, theres a charmingly handsome man with very sexy look in his eyes.... You were over at my >house for a party with friends and you were supposed to show me something you promised me but you >chickend out.
>(I thought being challenging yet having her passively accept the frame if she says my name, but she >didnt respond)
>15 minutes no response
>me : Dont tell me you give up that easily.
>15 minutes no response
>me: thats too bad...you kindah seemed cool.Just wanted to invite you to the fundraiser party at my >place this weekend throwing one for our friend JAMES.
>40 minutes later = 2:00 AM
>her: Hey is it Sandros ?
>15 minutes later
>her: You didnt tell me If I got it right ?
>I didnt respond since I intiate text at 9:40pm and she responded late at 2 am and so by time she got >back to me was much later.
>I didnt feel like texting her that late without actual advantage of escalation or location etc...
>there was no gain to text her that late, I dont want woman to think Im not doing anything and waiting >for her , PFFFT!
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>SUMMARY
>I know I could have had sex but hesitated or missed something.
>they reach a point of horniness and I either try to change them to have sex that moment cause I feel >its momentum.
>she was midly drunk and very horny....so that wore away and attraction dissipated since I didnt make >proper moves.
>Im when it came to pulling same night this is where I fuck up.
>I think I have a blindspot.
>I appreciate any feedback appreciated.
>thanks
>-Papa Sandros[/quote]
You got betaised because she slowly by her game PUT YOU TO INVEST MORE ENERGY INTO HER THAN WHAT SHE INVESTED INTO YOU.
Also if you want relationships then don´t game for party girls. Do street game and game girls who are abable to have a certain continuity in the state ( hmm.. well as much as a girl can do that ) If you game party girls go for the kill same night and never, never go for "meeting her again"
Party girls go to parties to feel in state THAT NIGHT and then they give you the shit you just got if you go for continuity..
You need to improve the knowledge of what is FEMALE INNER EMOTIONAL STATE and FEMALE STATE CHANGES.. also knowing the distinction between Freak, Ho and Good Girl helps..
Hello Sandros,
My comments in line
>So this happened 2 weeks ago,
>Apparently, I’ve been starting to notice women checking me out and when you lose that edge you had >getting laid consistently or MOJO, you become apathetic.
>But then I started to notice girls, I'd look at them at store and they look back very subtle with the >corner of their eyes, and they would stand still and play with their hair...(IOI)
>I’d get intimidated a bit since I’ve been away from "player mode"
>Seeing the open opportunity of Approach Invitation but like my old self would say:
>"Oh man she likes it, go talk to her"
>That was turning point of how I have balanced my life, to now to re-enter the seducer mentality.
>Of course I was uncalibrated and creeped a couple girls out here and there but fixing that initial step >was easy.
>LONG STORY SHORT
>The House Party
>There were a couple of girls there but I was already SOCIAL PROOF.
>it was my family's house and hosting an event of 60 people in our yard and by pool deck...beer and >music.
>-stripper look alike was w her BF but would catch glimpse of me, she was so like slutty.lol
>-the tall young blonde 18 yr old, got cockblocked by her grandma when I was trying to build comfort >awesome compliance trying to isolate her in my room.lmao and her grandma would try to qualify me >and disqualify the girl to me. And she took her away and they left the party.
>3 set- hb mariE , hb marG , hb drunk
>They were in a group and I didn’t know them, they came with a dude.
>They left party 8pm and came back later in the night.12:30 midnight.
>when they came back they looked for me and approached with
>"HEY WE ARE BACK" tipsy or whatever it was 12:30 midnight.
>Anyways I was catching their eye contact or checking me out,
>I mean ALOT from hb mariE & hb marG.
>So they opened me later w convo, I was there and was cocky funny, they laughed and they left me >leaving me isolated with hb mariE and ejected to show non clinginess.
>Then later again they indirect re open me with wanting to get a drink for them all and that they are >short with money,, they were all tipsy and pull out a bunch of cents out and started counting......
Ouch... the girls testing you and running the Materialista game.. and it´s even a test in group.. did you tell them to cook for you a meal that night?
>I told them "what is this?" trying to tease them for it and they stared at me weird....I guess it was too >much (breaking rapport) felt it embarrassed them too harsh and what not (makinging me look like >asshole).
Too much breaking rapport? What you? The social security?
>I said I will treat you guys since you seem cool. Got them 3 soda cans and went to do other stuff as I’m >trying to fractionate, Just being HOST and NOT LOOK CHEAP or clingy cause I gave them drinks of soda.
>MISTAKE w body language or delivery?? They didn’t process as a tease therefore looked at me weird.
Shit test failed my friend. You should have responded like this while kinoing several of them (I mean hand on the ass of one girl, hand on the ass of the other girl ) and then...
Sandros: "Are you guys good at cooking pasta? I adore pasta food."
>Then shortly after, the bartender and my brother told me those girls are asking about you
For sure.. and for a new drink
>"where’s papa sandros?"
>I think she is checking you out. Talking about hb mariE.
>Hb marG was hotter and seem horny-er.
>Looks like a HOT latin girl who'd do weather forecast in a LATIN TV channel.
>but I fucked it up with this here:
>they went to the pool side and hb marG took of her shoes and looked at me sexually, I just stared back >and tried teasing her to spike BT,since she took of her shoes and put her feet in the water she was at >low energy kindah tipsy and it came off weird, the me teasing her part of it
>she looked at me weird like WTF?
Hmm.. feels like you need more experience with cocky and funny. One good way to use cocky and funny is to use something she says.. like for example:
Her: "What´s your job?"
You: "I work ONCE A YEAR in bank" (pretending to be a criminal)
>I felt it killed attraction w uncalibrated teasing. With a disappointed look on her face.FUCK.
>MISTAKE????
No there are no "mistakes" only feedback.
>Hb drunk was too drunk and party was being directed inside the house because it was 2:30am she was >talking to ugly chumps.
>5 minutes later, As they were in house, Hb mariE bumps into me spills her drink and I isolate her to the >kitchen to give her paper towel.
>I was running great touching in the interaction but something was OFF so I pull back a bit.
How do you know it was off? If she was getting very drunk it means she controlled her own horniness by being drunk.
Freaky girls use getting drunk very often to control their own horniness.
>I give her paper towel and I turn to "lock-in" to appear her investing interest in me through body >language.
>I started qualifying by pacing and leading:
> vibbing,
>what you do when you’re not hanging out w your friends?
>where you live by,live by yourself?
>got plans tomorrow morning or relaxing?
>where are you staying over tonight?
>what you do for fun? you seem interesting.
This is not good vibbing. You should avoid making girls personal questions. You should vibe with stories about YOURSELF or something neutral. If you make her questions you make of her the prize.
You should be the PRIZE.
You: "You can´t imagine it.. last week I was at a party and who I run into? My former girlfriend dressed as a police officer.."
This is a story about YOU and YOUR EX. Not her. You are the prize here.
>basically included logistical questions to figure out the pull.staying w friends house.
>she was investing into the convo and seemed like she did want to talk to me ... I was vibbing in >between qualifiers to figure out logistics and gage interest, she was wearing a herblife shirt like >bekham.
>I touched her below her tits on shirt,I said: "herblife eh?"
>she kept staring at my lips and sexual eye contact again at me.
Ok this was a good one anyway again your are commenting something about HER.
>I looked at her same and FELT sexual tension from her as I touch hair to side from her eyes to create >intimacy connection like before a kiss.
>I couldnt get away from the view from her friends so I didnt go for kiss, then next thing to get her to >isolate to talk more BUT
>felt it was a chance to get her to a room or somewhere private to get intimate .....no joke. I sense she >was horny.
>I felt like I wanted to sexual escalate there and fast.
You can escalate also when the friends are there..
>So after that I said "come here ,want to show you something"
>Grabed her hand to isolate to the room next to a bathroom so that the other people wont see us .
>she was there halfway and her Anti SLUT radar rang the ALARM...
>she said :"Oh NO, you go ahead"
Proper response: hand on her ass and "Ladies first! I am a gentleman"
Don´t let a woman impose her frame on you. REFRAME HER.
>I had to improvise and act like uneedy. go in room relax, then came back out she was waiting at >kitchen still for me.
>acted like nothing and smiled at her.
>she started talking about her t shirt beckham herblfe and told me she workd herblfe and she could >come over my house another day and she can take measurements of my body, so we number exchange.
Oh this is a huge IOI from her but there is a problem: she is shifting it into the future. That´s a way she uses to control horniness.
>After number close,I walked away to avoid losing attraction by coming needy and or eager.
>So I went off to other things...since they were only girls there.
>then as they were leaving
>hb mariE screams in front of her friends
>"hey sandros call me tomorrow ok"
>I smiled at her like yeah w playing hard to get look
>her friend HB MarG screams:"call her, she will fix your plumbing"
Ahahaha.. so after all you were the soul of the party. That´s good.
>THEY ALL LAUGHED.
>sunday i wasnt feeling it, tired as fuck, plus I wasnt sure about her.I had gone for the pull.
It´s inner game issue. This girls gave you huge IOIs.
>she was telling me to call her and it seemed she was trying to lead me or frame her leadership.
>so I called her on monday and not sunday
No done in front of the group was a huge IOI
>she didnt call me back,
Of course see these girls in parties have to be taken there when they are IN STATE.>thursday I call leave a short message
"hey whats up dork,been busy ...wanted to catch up with what we were talking about ,so ..... talk to you laters "
Never, never leave messages in answering machine. Also get a private number so that when you call she cannot now who calls.
>She didnt return my call. I felt by trying it would show neediness, I had girls call me back and I know I >dont have to try hard.
Simply her state changed from the party girl to the everyday good girl
>I didnt know what to do at that time then realized the message was vague and wasnt chaallenging to >the woman.
>I also think I wasnt persistent with keeping the momentum.mistake.
>REVIEW OF TEXT INTERACTION IF NOT YOU CAN SKIP TO SUMMARY
>2 week later:
>Theres a new party this weekend again.
>I re texted her w
>" hey whats up flake party this weekend "
You are acknowledging her flake MISTAKE. That puts her in the position of the Prize again. Never acknowledge flakes or anything else she does which might lower your value.
>her: who is this?
>Me: guess?
>her: No! seriusly who is this ?
>me: are you kidding me? dont tell me you give out your number to random guys? I feel so cheap.
>her: I dont know who is this?
I don´t know who is this = shit test
>me: Ok, theres a charmingly handsome man with very sexy look in his eyes.... You were over at my >house for a party with friends and you were supposed to show me something you promised me but you >chickend out.
>(I thought being challenging yet having her passively accept the frame if she says my name, but she >didnt respond)
>15 minutes no response
>me : Dont tell me you give up that easily.
>15 minutes no response
>me: thats too bad...you kindah seemed cool.Just wanted to invite you to the fundraiser party at my >place this weekend throwing one for our friend JAMES.
>40 minutes later = 2:00 AM
>her: Hey is it Sandros ?
>15 minutes later
>her: You didnt tell me If I got it right ?
>I didnt respond since I intiate text at 9:40pm and she responded late at 2 am and so by time she got >back to me was much later.
>I didnt feel like texting her that late without actual advantage of escalation or location etc...
>there was no gain to text her that late, I dont want woman to think Im not doing anything and waiting >for her , PFFFT!
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>SUMMARY
>I know I could have had sex but hesitated or missed something.
>they reach a point of horniness and I either try to change them to have sex that moment cause I feel >its momentum.
>she was midly drunk and very horny....so that wore away and attraction dissipated since I didnt make >proper moves.
>Im when it came to pulling same night this is where I fuck up.
>I think I have a blindspot.
>I appreciate any feedback appreciated.
>thanks
>-Papa Sandros[/quote]
You got betaised because she slowly by her game PUT YOU TO INVEST MORE ENERGY INTO HER THAN WHAT SHE INVESTED INTO YOU.
Also if you want relationships then don´t game for party girls. Do street game and game girls who are abable to have a certain continuity in the state ( hmm.. well as much as a girl can do that ) If you game party girls go for the kill same night and never, never go for "meeting her again"
Party girls go to parties to feel in state THAT NIGHT and then they give you the shit you just got if you go for continuity..
You need to improve the knowledge of what is FEMALE INNER EMOTIONAL STATE and FEMALE STATE CHANGES.. also knowing the distinction between Freak, Ho and Good Girl helps..
Thursday, April 22, 2010
FR: validation seeking woman gave me AA day game
VALIDATION with women
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I usually dont really see these things but today, as I was parking my car a HOT girl dressed really trendy, I mean stright 9 on looks scale.
as I was parking she was at ATM machine and when she was done she was still like standing there and looking around but in a way like to cathc my eye or seek attention , validation. Not attraction.
Why cause I caught her looking as I parked my car and it was a look on her face bodylanguage was like if she wanted to ask me something or wanted something from me.
Thats how I perceived it.
I have that awareness sensitivity thing..anyways
I could have gone and talked to her but it would validate her and give her what she wanted, easily.
as soon as I would open my mouth to appraoch or show interest I sensed as soon as she would get that then it would be game over.
So I can cold appraoch
I know how to turn them into warm appraoches
but this here is different in terms of surprisng the girl and you enmtering in her world.
here she wants validation that she gets guys attention and feeds her energy to feel good of that from the start...therefore she wont feel attracted to you.
Like a cusotmer paying a stripper for a dance,he gives the girl money she gets what she wants.
and by me giving her direct attention she gets the validation that she wants.
Please can you share any thoughts or how you change that when you sense that type of girl...cause I know there is a way of turning it around but I wanted to hear from you guys.
nuff said.
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Today, 12:23 PM #2
Himmler
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Have you considered the possibility that she was abit attracted to you and want you to make the first move, then have you fuck her brains out?
For all you know, you could have missed out on some 9 pussy. You should have said something, whats the worst that could happen? Nothing. If she was validation seeking, she would have got it and thats it, no skin of your back. If there was something more to that, well then you missed out on a chance.
I mean she could have tried stringing you along later, but Im sure you would have been able to spot that and cut the shit right there.
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shadow said:
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I have to agree with Himmler. Furthermore you think way too much. You should have just said hi and went from there.
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#4
LastMan
Quote:
Originally Posted by Himmler
For all you know, you could have missed out on some 9 pussy.
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I usually dont really see these things but today, as I was parking my car a HOT girl dressed really trendy, I mean stright 9 on looks scale.
as I was parking she was at ATM machine and when she was done she was still like standing there and looking around but in a way like to cathc my eye or seek attention , validation. Not attraction.
Why cause I caught her looking as I parked my car and it was a look on her face bodylanguage was like if she wanted to ask me something or wanted something from me.
Thats how I perceived it.
I have that awareness sensitivity thing..anyways
I could have gone and talked to her but it would validate her and give her what she wanted, easily.
as soon as I would open my mouth to appraoch or show interest I sensed as soon as she would get that then it would be game over.
So I can cold appraoch
I know how to turn them into warm appraoches
but this here is different in terms of surprisng the girl and you enmtering in her world.
here she wants validation that she gets guys attention and feeds her energy to feel good of that from the start...therefore she wont feel attracted to you.
Like a cusotmer paying a stripper for a dance,he gives the girl money she gets what she wants.
and by me giving her direct attention she gets the validation that she wants.
Please can you share any thoughts or how you change that when you sense that type of girl...cause I know there is a way of turning it around but I wanted to hear from you guys.
nuff said.
__________________
Today, 12:23 PM #2
Himmler
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Have you considered the possibility that she was abit attracted to you and want you to make the first move, then have you fuck her brains out?
For all you know, you could have missed out on some 9 pussy. You should have said something, whats the worst that could happen? Nothing. If she was validation seeking, she would have got it and thats it, no skin of your back. If there was something more to that, well then you missed out on a chance.
I mean she could have tried stringing you along later, but Im sure you would have been able to spot that and cut the shit right there.
__________________
shadow said:
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I have to agree with Himmler. Furthermore you think way too much. You should have just said hi and went from there.
__________________
#4
LastMan
Quote:
Originally Posted by Himmler
For all you know, you could have missed out on some 9 pussy.
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