DonRd:
@ barnes and nobles I saw book on erotic massage and on the cover
there was 2 nude people. So I got an idea to open a set- topicing that
I wanted to practice some massage, so first set, asain with
headphones, I say exuse me, I was looking thru this book and wanted to
know whether you'd like to practice some. She saw the book , made a
face and put her head phone back on.
Next set, it works out great, she was really Into the book as I showed
her a few pages, but I first opened her up with hey, I'm rod. Hand
shake. Then talked about the books she had. Then she I showed her.
We talked and she invited me to her art show. And boom! A cop and
fucking employee are behind me and they're telling someone complianed
because I asked her to try a few positions in the book. So they walked
me out.
Sandrospua:
yeah . you were running seduction with no comfort. its same thing as going direct on her. in legal terms its called sexual harassment.ofcourse security had to come if asian girl thought you were a sexual predator. run comfort first.if you want to run that shit atleast have eye contact prior opening her.
Showing posts with label day game. Show all posts
Showing posts with label day game. Show all posts
Tuesday, April 19, 2011
Thursday, February 24, 2011
day game today was awful..I didnt appraoch
I saw a gorgeous woman eating ice cream and she was walking like strutting. all dolled up for guys to want her.
she was in front of me and I hesitated to open.
Im rusty and need to review day game stack.
doc holiday was the best at this and awaken.
so i called awaken and he is coming here next week.
Im rusty so I have to warm up by doing.
so far im getting cold reads and statement instaed of questions as qualification
so many hotties at the mall.
wow its a daygame gold mine there all waiting to be explored,
wow
I spoke to kevin about his coaching and he is dating a cuban girl. I explained to him about gloria and he told me that women are latin cultered from their families to build comfort but that sooner or later they give it up.
I called him on it by saying its needy as fuck.
and we both agreed that Miami is harder to game.
we hanged up to see if we hang out and talk or get coaching.
I need an approach coach for day game, its been a long time.
its what I make of it so its up to me to meet more women and game.
didnt hear from darren so I figure he is out of town.
jarret is someone i dont trust.
Sticking points are approaching and opening, review:
-franco's goood girl
-grungery10
-listen to doc holiday
-glenn P audios
-speer day game vids
-day game yad vids
-key chain day game vid
intro to Day game intro
she was in front of me and I hesitated to open.
Im rusty and need to review day game stack.
doc holiday was the best at this and awaken.
so i called awaken and he is coming here next week.
Im rusty so I have to warm up by doing.
so far im getting cold reads and statement instaed of questions as qualification
so many hotties at the mall.
wow its a daygame gold mine there all waiting to be explored,
wow
I spoke to kevin about his coaching and he is dating a cuban girl. I explained to him about gloria and he told me that women are latin cultered from their families to build comfort but that sooner or later they give it up.
I called him on it by saying its needy as fuck.
and we both agreed that Miami is harder to game.
we hanged up to see if we hang out and talk or get coaching.
I need an approach coach for day game, its been a long time.
its what I make of it so its up to me to meet more women and game.
didnt hear from darren so I figure he is out of town.
jarret is someone i dont trust.
Sticking points are approaching and opening, review:
-franco's goood girl
-grungery10
-listen to doc holiday
-glenn P audios
-speer day game vids
-day game yad vids
-key chain day game vid
intro to Day game intro
Wednesday, February 9, 2011
Newbie Exercises by FRANCO
When you are new to picking women up you almost probably have approach anxiety unless you have been since young a natural playboy.
Learning to pickup women is little bit like learning to ride a bicycle. It is all about letting your body and your mind by continuous exercise get in touch with new physical and mental behaviors.
Your body and your mind face new mindsets, postures and gestures they are not used to.
For this reason if you are new to the world of picking women up it´s better you “start small” to have your mind and body slowly adapted to the new situations.
For this reason it may be useful to learn about these 3 mental zones:
- Comfort zone: what you feel comfortable doing
- Stretch zone: what creates in you “little bit of distress” but not much
- Panic zone: what would have you get into deep fear and panic
The right learning curve is achieved by putting yourself little bit into the stretch zone in “small doses” before you get into the panic zone.
For example: if walking in a place full of beautiful women has you into the panic zone then visit spaces where you know you can find women alone then slowly get into little bit more crowded places till you feel comfortable with it.
Never get straight into the panic zone: it demotivates you and has you step back from the game.
Exercises:
- Coach yourself to walk in places where you know you can meet women very slowly. Deliberately reduce the speed. There are two main reasons: if you go fast you cannot really pay attention to the surroundings. Pickup is all about paying attention to what is around you. Beside that: walking slowly and doing things slowly has the people around you feel that you are a man of higher value. Being in a rush is a sign of lower value.
- Coach yourself to talk slowly. Reduce the speed of your talk. Talking fast is a sign on insecurity. Taking your time and talking slowly is a sign of higher value.
- At times walk on the streets very slowly. When you see a beautiful woman slowly turn your head, hold eye contact for a second and the smile. Coach yourself to pay attention to her reactions: some will smile back, some will blush, some will turn head away, some will look down. The ones who turn the back away are not interested. The ones who blush or feel uneasy may have your same problem: lack of experience in meeting people. Instead the ones who look down and blush or show any other signs of inner emotional shaking are the ones who like you and would respond well to your approach.
- Repeat the former exercises several times and when you are comfortable with that begin to smile to the women on the streets like above. Don´t pay any attention to the ones who turn they face on the other side. Instead coach yourself to say a warm: “Hi” only to the ones who blush, look down and to the ones who say back: “Hi”. Simply forget the ones who do not react or with draw contact and focus only on the ones who respond positively. One wonderful thing you will learn when practicing pickup and seduction is the huge importance of focusing always on the positive.
- When you can do all of the above and feel comfortable about it you can begin to use some opener.
Learning to pickup women is little bit like learning to ride a bicycle. It is all about letting your body and your mind by continuous exercise get in touch with new physical and mental behaviors.
Your body and your mind face new mindsets, postures and gestures they are not used to.
For this reason if you are new to the world of picking women up it´s better you “start small” to have your mind and body slowly adapted to the new situations.
For this reason it may be useful to learn about these 3 mental zones:
- Comfort zone: what you feel comfortable doing
- Stretch zone: what creates in you “little bit of distress” but not much
- Panic zone: what would have you get into deep fear and panic
The right learning curve is achieved by putting yourself little bit into the stretch zone in “small doses” before you get into the panic zone.
For example: if walking in a place full of beautiful women has you into the panic zone then visit spaces where you know you can find women alone then slowly get into little bit more crowded places till you feel comfortable with it.
Never get straight into the panic zone: it demotivates you and has you step back from the game.
Exercises:
- Coach yourself to walk in places where you know you can meet women very slowly. Deliberately reduce the speed. There are two main reasons: if you go fast you cannot really pay attention to the surroundings. Pickup is all about paying attention to what is around you. Beside that: walking slowly and doing things slowly has the people around you feel that you are a man of higher value. Being in a rush is a sign of lower value.
- Coach yourself to talk slowly. Reduce the speed of your talk. Talking fast is a sign on insecurity. Taking your time and talking slowly is a sign of higher value.
- At times walk on the streets very slowly. When you see a beautiful woman slowly turn your head, hold eye contact for a second and the smile. Coach yourself to pay attention to her reactions: some will smile back, some will blush, some will turn head away, some will look down. The ones who turn the back away are not interested. The ones who blush or feel uneasy may have your same problem: lack of experience in meeting people. Instead the ones who look down and blush or show any other signs of inner emotional shaking are the ones who like you and would respond well to your approach.
- Repeat the former exercises several times and when you are comfortable with that begin to smile to the women on the streets like above. Don´t pay any attention to the ones who turn they face on the other side. Instead coach yourself to say a warm: “Hi” only to the ones who blush, look down and to the ones who say back: “Hi”. Simply forget the ones who do not react or with draw contact and focus only on the ones who respond positively. One wonderful thing you will learn when practicing pickup and seduction is the huge importance of focusing always on the positive.
- When you can do all of the above and feel comfortable about it you can begin to use some opener.
Wednesday, January 19, 2011
BEST ADVICE for DAY GAME- SCOTT PATERSON 6 steps and overcome shyness and social anxiety approaching
Many guys suffer from extreme shyness around women. The problem
is this is a quality that women do NOT find attractive.
Furthermore, shyness is the primary reason why they never
approach a woman or make any attempt to even talk to them.
When gone unchecked shyness can completely cripple your chances
with the women.
The good news is this is something that CAN be fixed.
First off, it's important to have a step-by-step system for
approaching and attracting the girls you want. That is
something that can be learned here:
==> http://www.chickmagnet101.com/magic-bullets-system.html
Next, there are few simple techniques for eliminating your
shyness and become more confident around women:
Tip #1- Remove all desires and expectations
The one reason guys are nervous around women is they place TOO
much emphasis on the outcome of the conversation.
Instead of having fun, shy guys constantly obsess about saying
the right thing or screwing up.
Whenever you talk to a woman, just concentrate on the
conversation.
Be relaxed and have a little fun.
You can easily reduce your shyness by telling yourself that you
don't care about any outcome. It would be great if you got her
number, but it's not the end of the world if you don't.
Bottom line is you're talking to her just to have a little fun.
Tip #2- Have a clear idea of what you want from her
Now you might think I am contradicting myself by telling you to
remove all expectations from the conversation then telling you
to develop a clear idea of what you want.
But I think having a plan of action is a lot different from
removing all desire.
Let me explain...
While you want to avoid worrying too much about the outcome of a
conversation, you should still figure out what type of outcome
you want.
In other words, try to think of what you want to obtain by talking
to her.
Are you trying to have fun?
Do you want her number?
Do want to set up a date or sleep with her.
The more you can what you want, the more at ease you'll feel and
find yourself steering the conversation to your outcomes.
If you don't know how to create a plan of action whenever
talking to women, here's a site that can teach you how to
do this:
==> http://www.chickmagnet101.com/magic-bullets-system.html
Tip #3- Practice "Going for it"
One easy way to eliminate shyness around women is to practice
as much as possible. In the last tip, I recommended you have
a clear idea of what you want. Now when you know what you
want, you'll find it easier to go for it.
But what if you still feel nervous around women?
Well my best advice is to keep practicing "going for it" with
different women till you can get over your shyness and
nervousness.
Like any other skill, learning how to attract women is
something that must be practiced till you perfect it.
If you take the time to practice your conversation skills
and find out what works in different scenarios, you'll
discover it's easy feel comfortable around women.
And once you feel comfortable, women will start to pick up
on your confident personality.
Over a period of time, you can reduce your shyness by paying
attention to the three tips that I just described.
Ultimately you'll learn how to be confident around women and
learn the things that make you attractive to them.
Now if you want to learn more about how to approach and
attract ANY woman with complete confidence, then I recommend
you take a look at this site:
==> http://www.chickmagnet101.com/magic-bullets-system.html
Keep on Rocking and Rolling,
Scott Patterson
There are a lot of different ways to meet women.
Yet, most guys ONLY use places like bars & clubs.
The truth is the BEST chance to really meet a woman is OUTSIDE
a loud, noisy venue.
To skyrocket your success with women, you need to be ready to
meet women at any point in your day. (Here's a site that
teaches you everything you need to know about creating instant
sexual attraction with your conversations):
==> http://www.chickmagnet101.com/women-persuasion-system.html
I've found that it's actually easier to meet a girl when you're
out during the daytime.
In fact this can be your SECRET WEAPON for meeting women. One
that your friends will wonder how you're "getting" all these
girls.
Now I want to be honest here. "Day Game" requires a different
style than what's commonly used in the bar scene.
It's a great way to meet women. But if you're using the same
tactics you'd use in a noisy club, you'll come across as a
crazy person.
To help you get started with daytime meetups, I recommend
following these SIX rules:
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Rule #1- Look your best
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
To make day game work, you MUST look your best...at ALL times.
Remember, you never know when you'll come across a women you want
to approach. If look like a slob, then you'll give off a
slobbish appearance.
You should always look sharp if you want to meet women during the
daytime.
This means adhering to basic guidelines for a top-notched
appearance (i.e.: Shave, shower, apply cologne wear nice clothes,
etc.)
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Rule #2- Talk to everyone
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
We're all guilty of going "autopilot" as we run errands and do
stuff during the day.
For many it's not the "time" when we meet women. They're doing
chores and don't want to think about approaching a random girl.
So it seems weird to walk up to a woman during the daytime and
start a conversation.
Unfortunately this attitude will get you NOWHERE.
To improve your day game, you must get into the habit of
initiating conversations with those around you. (Even if they're
not women)
The more you practice talking to people, the more natural it'll
seem to approach a girl.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Rule #3- Have an extraction plan
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Too many guys have the "One Night Stand" mentality.
They only concern themselves with how to 'get laid' within the
first few hours of meeting a woman.
To have success with Day Game, you should give up the idea that
you can "speed seduce" a girl the same day you meet her.
Sure it can happen. But it's pretty rare.
With that being said, you can easily meet a girl and move the
conversation to place where you can get to know one another.
What I suggest is simple...
When you're out during the day, find a place where you can have
a quick "mini-date."
This could be a coffee house, shopping at a mall, or even a trip
to a park.
My point is this:
You want a place where you can immediately go and continue the
conversation. By pre-planning a location, you'll make it seem
like a normal part of your daytime activities. Here's a way to
PERSUADE women to join you:
==> http://www.chickmagnet101.com/women-persuasion-system.html
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Rule #4- Demonstrate high status
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Even when you're outside the "singles scene", it's still
important to demonstrate a high status personality.
To be attractive to a woman, she has to see that you're a
confident guy who can naturally attract women. She should feel
like you're a guy who has a busy life, filled with interesting
things.
So if you're not comfortable with your confidence, then I
recommend you learn why women are attracted to guys who can show
this side of their personality.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Rule #5- Be an interesting guy
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Again, this is another rule which applies in ANY environment. To
build attraction, you must show that you're a genuinely fun guy.
This means IMMEDIATELY showcasing a personality which she'll
like. For instance, you should:
- Tell fun stories about your life
- Use humor in a funny but teasing manner
- Make interesting comments about her
- Ask her provocative questions.
The more interesting you appear, the more she'll be into YOU!
Again, this site has a many pointers about how to display a
hypnotically attractive personality during the daytime:
==> http://www.chickmagnet101.com/women-persuasion-system.html
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Rule #6- Establish Physical Contact
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
The final rule is absolutely important for making a "connection"
with a woman...
If you want to be interesting to woman, you must CREATE sexual
chemistry.
And one of the quickest ways to do this is to establish physical
contact.
Within 5 minutes of initiating a conversation, you should be
touching her a fun, familiar manner. This can include giving
high-fives, handshakes, or using humorous body language routines.
The key here is to do it in a FUN way. So don't act like a
creepy pervert that likes to grope women.
Just remember that it's often easier to meet women during the
day. If you keep your eyes open and know how to take advantage
of hidden opportunities, then you'll discover that it's easy to
pick up women.
Simply implement the six rules I just listed and you'll
successfully meet LOTS of women during the daytime.
Keep on Rocking and Rolling,
Scott Patterson
Chick Magnet 101
is this is a quality that women do NOT find attractive.
Furthermore, shyness is the primary reason why they never
approach a woman or make any attempt to even talk to them.
When gone unchecked shyness can completely cripple your chances
with the women.
The good news is this is something that CAN be fixed.
First off, it's important to have a step-by-step system for
approaching and attracting the girls you want. That is
something that can be learned here:
==> http://www.chickmagnet101.com/magic-bullets-system.html
Next, there are few simple techniques for eliminating your
shyness and become more confident around women:
Tip #1- Remove all desires and expectations
The one reason guys are nervous around women is they place TOO
much emphasis on the outcome of the conversation.
Instead of having fun, shy guys constantly obsess about saying
the right thing or screwing up.
Whenever you talk to a woman, just concentrate on the
conversation.
Be relaxed and have a little fun.
You can easily reduce your shyness by telling yourself that you
don't care about any outcome. It would be great if you got her
number, but it's not the end of the world if you don't.
Bottom line is you're talking to her just to have a little fun.
Tip #2- Have a clear idea of what you want from her
Now you might think I am contradicting myself by telling you to
remove all expectations from the conversation then telling you
to develop a clear idea of what you want.
But I think having a plan of action is a lot different from
removing all desire.
Let me explain...
While you want to avoid worrying too much about the outcome of a
conversation, you should still figure out what type of outcome
you want.
In other words, try to think of what you want to obtain by talking
to her.
Are you trying to have fun?
Do you want her number?
Do want to set up a date or sleep with her.
The more you can what you want, the more at ease you'll feel and
find yourself steering the conversation to your outcomes.
If you don't know how to create a plan of action whenever
talking to women, here's a site that can teach you how to
do this:
==> http://www.chickmagnet101.com/magic-bullets-system.html
Tip #3- Practice "Going for it"
One easy way to eliminate shyness around women is to practice
as much as possible. In the last tip, I recommended you have
a clear idea of what you want. Now when you know what you
want, you'll find it easier to go for it.
But what if you still feel nervous around women?
Well my best advice is to keep practicing "going for it" with
different women till you can get over your shyness and
nervousness.
Like any other skill, learning how to attract women is
something that must be practiced till you perfect it.
If you take the time to practice your conversation skills
and find out what works in different scenarios, you'll
discover it's easy feel comfortable around women.
And once you feel comfortable, women will start to pick up
on your confident personality.
Over a period of time, you can reduce your shyness by paying
attention to the three tips that I just described.
Ultimately you'll learn how to be confident around women and
learn the things that make you attractive to them.
Now if you want to learn more about how to approach and
attract ANY woman with complete confidence, then I recommend
you take a look at this site:
==> http://www.chickmagnet101.com/magic-bullets-system.html
Keep on Rocking and Rolling,
Scott Patterson
There are a lot of different ways to meet women.
Yet, most guys ONLY use places like bars & clubs.
The truth is the BEST chance to really meet a woman is OUTSIDE
a loud, noisy venue.
To skyrocket your success with women, you need to be ready to
meet women at any point in your day. (Here's a site that
teaches you everything you need to know about creating instant
sexual attraction with your conversations):
==> http://www.chickmagnet101.com/women-persuasion-system.html
I've found that it's actually easier to meet a girl when you're
out during the daytime.
In fact this can be your SECRET WEAPON for meeting women. One
that your friends will wonder how you're "getting" all these
girls.
Now I want to be honest here. "Day Game" requires a different
style than what's commonly used in the bar scene.
It's a great way to meet women. But if you're using the same
tactics you'd use in a noisy club, you'll come across as a
crazy person.
To help you get started with daytime meetups, I recommend
following these SIX rules:
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Rule #1- Look your best
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
To make day game work, you MUST look your best...at ALL times.
Remember, you never know when you'll come across a women you want
to approach. If look like a slob, then you'll give off a
slobbish appearance.
You should always look sharp if you want to meet women during the
daytime.
This means adhering to basic guidelines for a top-notched
appearance (i.e.: Shave, shower, apply cologne wear nice clothes,
etc.)
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Rule #2- Talk to everyone
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
We're all guilty of going "autopilot" as we run errands and do
stuff during the day.
For many it's not the "time" when we meet women. They're doing
chores and don't want to think about approaching a random girl.
So it seems weird to walk up to a woman during the daytime and
start a conversation.
Unfortunately this attitude will get you NOWHERE.
To improve your day game, you must get into the habit of
initiating conversations with those around you. (Even if they're
not women)
The more you practice talking to people, the more natural it'll
seem to approach a girl.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Rule #3- Have an extraction plan
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Too many guys have the "One Night Stand" mentality.
They only concern themselves with how to 'get laid' within the
first few hours of meeting a woman.
To have success with Day Game, you should give up the idea that
you can "speed seduce" a girl the same day you meet her.
Sure it can happen. But it's pretty rare.
With that being said, you can easily meet a girl and move the
conversation to place where you can get to know one another.
What I suggest is simple...
When you're out during the day, find a place where you can have
a quick "mini-date."
This could be a coffee house, shopping at a mall, or even a trip
to a park.
My point is this:
You want a place where you can immediately go and continue the
conversation. By pre-planning a location, you'll make it seem
like a normal part of your daytime activities. Here's a way to
PERSUADE women to join you:
==> http://www.chickmagnet101.com/women-persuasion-system.html
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Rule #4- Demonstrate high status
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Even when you're outside the "singles scene", it's still
important to demonstrate a high status personality.
To be attractive to a woman, she has to see that you're a
confident guy who can naturally attract women. She should feel
like you're a guy who has a busy life, filled with interesting
things.
So if you're not comfortable with your confidence, then I
recommend you learn why women are attracted to guys who can show
this side of their personality.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Rule #5- Be an interesting guy
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Again, this is another rule which applies in ANY environment. To
build attraction, you must show that you're a genuinely fun guy.
This means IMMEDIATELY showcasing a personality which she'll
like. For instance, you should:
- Tell fun stories about your life
- Use humor in a funny but teasing manner
- Make interesting comments about her
- Ask her provocative questions.
The more interesting you appear, the more she'll be into YOU!
Again, this site has a many pointers about how to display a
hypnotically attractive personality during the daytime:
==> http://www.chickmagnet101.com/women-persuasion-system.html
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Rule #6- Establish Physical Contact
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
The final rule is absolutely important for making a "connection"
with a woman...
If you want to be interesting to woman, you must CREATE sexual
chemistry.
And one of the quickest ways to do this is to establish physical
contact.
Within 5 minutes of initiating a conversation, you should be
touching her a fun, familiar manner. This can include giving
high-fives, handshakes, or using humorous body language routines.
The key here is to do it in a FUN way. So don't act like a
creepy pervert that likes to grope women.
Just remember that it's often easier to meet women during the
day. If you keep your eyes open and know how to take advantage
of hidden opportunities, then you'll discover that it's easy to
pick up women.
Simply implement the six rules I just listed and you'll
successfully meet LOTS of women during the daytime.
Keep on Rocking and Rolling,
Scott Patterson
Chick Magnet 101
Monday, January 17, 2011
FR :bitchy look at CVS
Hey guys I started implementing the Nonverbal Sexual Mind Control by Jesse Charger Program.
I havent gotten too far yet.I dont like to skim things so Im reviewing as Im progressing some material.
I have never heard of before,its pretty cool stuff
7:30pm
I was at a CVS store and I was standing in line at checkout.
then a cute girl walks in the store, I looked at her and I then rapidly looked away (damnit!) as she looked toward me in terms of noticing that I looked at her, within seconds I then look back at her again and she rolls her eyes with me a bitchy look like a nonverbal
"PfffT...whatever"
bitchy type rolls her eyes and turns her head.
behind me where some dudes who noticed her DRAMATIC reaction and laughed about the fact she came in and they noticed that out of the blue reacted like that,
they were talk amoung themselves:
"who was that? some ex GF you dumped awhile back" talking amoung each other, kindah funny but anyways, Im not making it up.
I think there are a couple of mistakes here on my part.
Fact that I looked away and didnt lock eye contact in the first place.
(which I usually do) any excersize for that Jesse?
but even so how you react to "that" emotional reaction from a girl, you arent at a club or a bar to plow and control the interaction at that point since its different scenario.
I didnt feel bad about myself, Its no big deal, I usually NEXT girls rather quickly.Im realistic it could be for thousands of reasons.I rather not go into that, so I NEXT.
I've done cold approach before alot of times, but this isnt cold appraoch.
What, Im saying is that Nonverbal sexual mind control program is advanced game of itself ...communicating with the girl on another level.
So,after that nonverbal emotional reaction from the girl.
Its like 7-9 feet of distance across from each other.
I was like "ok" I looked away to the side and up and tried to hold in the laughter abit.
she was gone to notice that by then.
BAR or CLUB at NIGHT
If it was at a bar or club I would have reframed it and appraoched her by saying
" I couldnt help to notice you but I was wondering if that was your sexy way of catching my eye?"."Im Sandee"
NOT to be LIKED !
SUMMARY
In other words, I usually NEXT girls quickly if I get a negative reaction like this in the daytime or outside club enviroment.I do need to work on somethings but I would like to see your interpretation of it and would you do if a girl would react like this.
Thanks ,
PS : I LOL'd at this pic
CRJAMES RESPONDS:
it could be a few things
- she wasn't feeling you (for whatever reason). don't sweat it..
- she wasn't in the mood to be hit on and wanted to put up a "blocker"
- she wanted to dramatically make it out to be more than what it was. this gives her a chance to "feel good about herself" (as if all guys want her). then she gets to tell the story to her friends about a guy who was checking her out...
- she initially liked you, but felt rejected from the rapid "look away" on your part and possibly pegged you as a "scared guy" (massive drop in sexual value)
- pretends to be bitchy as as illusion of confidence. when i was single i approached plenty of girls who would act that way, then after awhile i would end up getting their numbers...but in most cases, it's best to just move on.
I havent gotten too far yet.I dont like to skim things so Im reviewing as Im progressing some material.
I have never heard of before,its pretty cool stuff
7:30pm
I was at a CVS store and I was standing in line at checkout.
then a cute girl walks in the store, I looked at her and I then rapidly looked away (damnit!) as she looked toward me in terms of noticing that I looked at her, within seconds I then look back at her again and she rolls her eyes with me a bitchy look like a nonverbal
"PfffT...whatever"
bitchy type rolls her eyes and turns her head.
behind me where some dudes who noticed her DRAMATIC reaction and laughed about the fact she came in and they noticed that out of the blue reacted like that,
they were talk amoung themselves:
"who was that? some ex GF you dumped awhile back" talking amoung each other, kindah funny but anyways, Im not making it up.
I think there are a couple of mistakes here on my part.
Fact that I looked away and didnt lock eye contact in the first place.
(which I usually do) any excersize for that Jesse?
but even so how you react to "that" emotional reaction from a girl, you arent at a club or a bar to plow and control the interaction at that point since its different scenario.
I didnt feel bad about myself, Its no big deal, I usually NEXT girls rather quickly.Im realistic it could be for thousands of reasons.I rather not go into that, so I NEXT.
I've done cold approach before alot of times, but this isnt cold appraoch.
What, Im saying is that Nonverbal sexual mind control program is advanced game of itself ...communicating with the girl on another level.
So,after that nonverbal emotional reaction from the girl.
Its like 7-9 feet of distance across from each other.
I was like "ok" I looked away to the side and up and tried to hold in the laughter abit.
she was gone to notice that by then.
BAR or CLUB at NIGHT
If it was at a bar or club I would have reframed it and appraoched her by saying
" I couldnt help to notice you but I was wondering if that was your sexy way of catching my eye?"."Im Sandee"
NOT to be LIKED !
SUMMARY
In other words, I usually NEXT girls quickly if I get a negative reaction like this in the daytime or outside club enviroment.I do need to work on somethings but I would like to see your interpretation of it and would you do if a girl would react like this.
Thanks ,
PS : I LOL'd at this pic
CRJAMES RESPONDS:
it could be a few things
- she wasn't feeling you (for whatever reason). don't sweat it..
- she wasn't in the mood to be hit on and wanted to put up a "blocker"
- she wanted to dramatically make it out to be more than what it was. this gives her a chance to "feel good about herself" (as if all guys want her). then she gets to tell the story to her friends about a guy who was checking her out...
- she initially liked you, but felt rejected from the rapid "look away" on your part and possibly pegged you as a "scared guy" (massive drop in sexual value)
- pretends to be bitchy as as illusion of confidence. when i was single i approached plenty of girls who would act that way, then after awhile i would end up getting their numbers...but in most cases, it's best to just move on.
Tuesday, January 11, 2011
FR hired gun nose ring day game at MALL
MY state, my emotional state
I was going some where to pay a phone bill, It was late and I had just argued with someone.So I was unconciously feeling pretty masculine and confident as if I had just left the GYM, my headspace was I dont care and if the girl who is there is cute Im going to tell her she is fucking sexy just because i felt like it and I didnt feel any anxiety to do it.
But really inside I was feeling pretty oozing with confidence , maybe out of anger which I hadnt really experimented transfering emotions.But because I sticking up for myself, and believeing in myself. so accidentally (not sure , jesse can explain more) but I was in state.
NON VERBAL AMOG positioning
So I get there and some dude with a pink shirt looking pretty guidoish is there hitting on the girl who is working as a cashier at the stationary place at the mall ..and I start using non verbal sexual communication with her ,which jesse talks about, yet in this situation I wasnt aggresive but was being more high value in terms of social intelligence and non verbal dominance (with her that the guy had to beta himself) the other guy had go to the side and it was like double bind on himself to dismiss himself as he was leering and begging for her attention non verbally.
the guy is obviously a chode cause he spoke with a voice high pitch voice and he was compensating with try hard pink and trying to be pretty boy.
the girl and voice tone
the girl was Ok cute very young 19 ish with nose ring. at first was abit formal, yet there was a shift and I felt she was starting to feel attraction as we connected with eye contact and my voice tone and accent was different than typical guys she meets.
So seeing the guy walk to the side it was like in a way increasing my value. I had started talking and since I had been deep voice, that part of my verbal coomunication hit, not the words but the tone of it.
then I felt I was in a bit of frame control test
cause there was a space in the convo where I asked her a question and she shifted her attention to the other guy as he interupted talking to her in spanish.
and I then shifted my attention to be distracted temporarily to avoid me lowering my value or seeming to be into her too much or me being desperate for a response..then she turned back I non verbally made eye contact and stuck at it and she answered my question and she then proceeded to do the follwong that never happened to me....
HER TEASING ME..
the conversation wasnt intersting at all it was the subcommunication,that is why I recommend looking into Jesse's program on sexual non verbal.
So she then tells me that the service was going to take till next day, I didnt really paid attentions and then she repeated it again (like a person retelling the punchline of a joke) and I was a bit aloof I was like "Ok, Why? "
and she said : "Im kidding"
from there I didnt know how to respond to that tease or IOI. ???????
So I just said "you are such a kidder.you almost got me"
she said : "yeah you almost felt for that I could see it in your face"
(not sure what that meant but she was cool and being cool, flirty)
the guy came back and I tried to exchanged numbers fast but I didnt set the timebrdige for the next time or next meeting which I usually do cause It felt rushed.I usually ask abit more about a girl to make her think why Id be interested in her in the first place. anyways one the pink AMOG was back he was trying to tool me abit I guess, I just ignored the fuck out of him completely..SWOOSH__= out of my reality .LOL
I wanted you guys opinion on this interaction as Im improving as Im going. this has been somewhat of when girls tease or flirt that way..at times I get __lost in the moment__ which I think is abit wrong...
she gives a verbal interest or indirect tease or responds to your tease or flirt back verbally what you do?
cause she was basically checking me out and throwing teases at me in flirty way.
any other observations comments here is welcomed.
Thanks
NOTE: I would have gone direct, but I rather my non verbals be direct, somewhat it is more exciting when you dont go direct verbally and non verbally you are communicating with her (FOR ME PERSONALLY,as Im reviewing Jesse's product on non verbal sexual )..the AMOG chode obviously felt competition, I never even acknowledged him being there.So nonverbal is more powerful.
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Action will destroy your procrastination.- Og Mandino
I was going some where to pay a phone bill, It was late and I had just argued with someone.So I was unconciously feeling pretty masculine and confident as if I had just left the GYM, my headspace was I dont care and if the girl who is there is cute Im going to tell her she is fucking sexy just because i felt like it and I didnt feel any anxiety to do it.
But really inside I was feeling pretty oozing with confidence , maybe out of anger which I hadnt really experimented transfering emotions.But because I sticking up for myself, and believeing in myself. so accidentally (not sure , jesse can explain more) but I was in state.
NON VERBAL AMOG positioning
So I get there and some dude with a pink shirt looking pretty guidoish is there hitting on the girl who is working as a cashier at the stationary place at the mall ..and I start using non verbal sexual communication with her ,which jesse talks about, yet in this situation I wasnt aggresive but was being more high value in terms of social intelligence and non verbal dominance (with her that the guy had to beta himself) the other guy had go to the side and it was like double bind on himself to dismiss himself as he was leering and begging for her attention non verbally.
the guy is obviously a chode cause he spoke with a voice high pitch voice and he was compensating with try hard pink and trying to be pretty boy.
the girl and voice tone
the girl was Ok cute very young 19 ish with nose ring. at first was abit formal, yet there was a shift and I felt she was starting to feel attraction as we connected with eye contact and my voice tone and accent was different than typical guys she meets.
So seeing the guy walk to the side it was like in a way increasing my value. I had started talking and since I had been deep voice, that part of my verbal coomunication hit, not the words but the tone of it.
then I felt I was in a bit of frame control test
cause there was a space in the convo where I asked her a question and she shifted her attention to the other guy as he interupted talking to her in spanish.
and I then shifted my attention to be distracted temporarily to avoid me lowering my value or seeming to be into her too much or me being desperate for a response..then she turned back I non verbally made eye contact and stuck at it and she answered my question and she then proceeded to do the follwong that never happened to me....
HER TEASING ME..
the conversation wasnt intersting at all it was the subcommunication,that is why I recommend looking into Jesse's program on sexual non verbal.
So she then tells me that the service was going to take till next day, I didnt really paid attentions and then she repeated it again (like a person retelling the punchline of a joke) and I was a bit aloof I was like "Ok, Why? "
and she said : "Im kidding"
from there I didnt know how to respond to that tease or IOI. ???????
So I just said "you are such a kidder.you almost got me"
she said : "yeah you almost felt for that I could see it in your face"
(not sure what that meant but she was cool and being cool, flirty)
the guy came back and I tried to exchanged numbers fast but I didnt set the timebrdige for the next time or next meeting which I usually do cause It felt rushed.I usually ask abit more about a girl to make her think why Id be interested in her in the first place. anyways one the pink AMOG was back he was trying to tool me abit I guess, I just ignored the fuck out of him completely..SWOOSH__= out of my reality .LOL
I wanted you guys opinion on this interaction as Im improving as Im going. this has been somewhat of when girls tease or flirt that way..at times I get __lost in the moment__ which I think is abit wrong...
she gives a verbal interest or indirect tease or responds to your tease or flirt back verbally what you do?
cause she was basically checking me out and throwing teases at me in flirty way.
any other observations comments here is welcomed.
Thanks
NOTE: I would have gone direct, but I rather my non verbals be direct, somewhat it is more exciting when you dont go direct verbally and non verbally you are communicating with her (FOR ME PERSONALLY,as Im reviewing Jesse's product on non verbal sexual )..the AMOG chode obviously felt competition, I never even acknowledged him being there.So nonverbal is more powerful.
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Thursday, January 6, 2011
day game current sticking points JAN 2011
I will concede some truth that IOI carry different weight in different countries. Eye contact in North America usually means a girl would be comfortable with you striking a conversation with her. In certain European countries eye contact means a girl "wants" you to strike a conversation with her.
However I personally try not to read too much into cultural differences when it comes to women, because the end result is always the same. Underneath all those IOI every woman follows her emotions like a moral compass. It takes practice, but once you can tap into that part of her brain casually and comfortably you'll notice all these IOIs fall to the wayside
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ccol Hoyle Thanks..
I meant on advice on what I need to work on my daygame,dude.
based on the minor report I posted.
I also meant the IOIs during the convo is like her temperature goes up..so I found it either kino or ask her a question/qualifying statement rather than do more talking...
Initially the IOIs are ok, warm appraoches...
within the convo the IOIs tell you to calibrate her reactions in a way.
Jesse ofcourse mentioned previously in another day game thread for me not to follow the IOIs cause we get addicted to the IOIs and lose focus on leading the seduction. with that in mind.
great point Hoyle...Im noticing this Im not stereotyping but the more masculine you come off with latin women its like they are more receptive...its weird cause on white american its safety issue in day game ,so its a convo , interesting convo.
Latina not really into interesting convo, just seeing what else you got in terms of how macho are you in subtle non verbal sexual communication (one of Jesse's product)...YES in day game, LOL
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandee
Things that Im messing up is :
-I talk too much and lack asking her questions to invest in convo
-lack of qualification or screening statements
-I forget about making her talk about herself...
So its like I talk and talk and talk and abit braggin' eventhoguh it isnt really but , its is abit too much too soon, too deep or too personal.
This is coming from a place of wanting to impress / entertain by just talking non-stop.
Becoming more comfortable with the idea of creating space or PUSH BACK with silences or asking for her input begins with not needing to impress the girl or win her approval so much.
One thing about Miami Latinas is that they tend to be QUIET and not really contribute as much as your typical Gringa. That can cause you to talk more because they're not giving back to the convo.
Latins are very family and social circle oriented, whereas European-descended Americans are more about mingling, meeting new people, and breaking family and old social ties. So you'll find white girls contribute more to the conversation and it's generally easier than with Latin Miami girls.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandee
Im noticing most Latina girls get turned off by this...like they rather you hold back and show abit mystery and more masculine dominant subcommunications to attract her rather than you talking too much about yourself, ofcourse unless she asks you .
It comes down to being introduced and social circles. A lot of Latina girls can come across as straight up weird and cold if you're not properly introduced, and even then as a Gringo you're still an outsider to them.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandee
Jesse any adivice or excersizes on the day game sticking points ?
Not really, unfortunately. I like Gringas. Just easier and cooler people.
Night clubs are different. Just get more physical and persistent against their cold shoulders and less conversational. You have better chance in a night club with them.
Or salsa club. If you can dance well, that will attract a lot of attention as you're such an oddity, and dancing well is a huge status symbol.
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Originally Posted by Sandee
but I started talking about a deep comfort story about how I liked nicaraguan food cause a maid in the house when I was a kid was from nicaragua and she used to cook that type of food and I liked it once in awhile....but then I told her that "now she is gone and i found out the lady recently died...."
the girl who was playng with her hair and sexual eye contact with me ...I felt all the sudden she got turned off and she walked away...
You're probably being too nice guy...? So is she feeling sexual intent from you, that sexual fury? Deep eye contact to her lips + eyes, super slow voice, lick your lips, telling her she's hot cute eyes? Maybe you're stuck in conversational friends zone and it got boring to her. She probably has plenty of alpha tough-guy Latin guys in her life she's comparing you to.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandee
So I might have to calibrate and hold back being too deep too soon and trying to get her to talk more about herself.
Maybe, but it may be more of a sexual intent issue.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandee
other girls would say " Awww.... thats so sweet" or "too bad"
A gringa would have given you more conversational banter back to work with, but these stories still wouldn't have turned her on. She'd still see you as a conversation friend.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandee
.. cause it looks like stories turns them off.
I think you're playing things too safe and cautiously, looking for the girl to like you first before you show sexual interest in her. You've got to show sexual interest in her first, and lead her into that attraction state.
However I personally try not to read too much into cultural differences when it comes to women, because the end result is always the same. Underneath all those IOI every woman follows her emotions like a moral compass. It takes practice, but once you can tap into that part of her brain casually and comfortably you'll notice all these IOIs fall to the wayside
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ccol Hoyle Thanks..
I meant on advice on what I need to work on my daygame,dude.
based on the minor report I posted.
I also meant the IOIs during the convo is like her temperature goes up..so I found it either kino or ask her a question/qualifying statement rather than do more talking...
Initially the IOIs are ok, warm appraoches...
within the convo the IOIs tell you to calibrate her reactions in a way.
Jesse ofcourse mentioned previously in another day game thread for me not to follow the IOIs cause we get addicted to the IOIs and lose focus on leading the seduction. with that in mind.
great point Hoyle...Im noticing this Im not stereotyping but the more masculine you come off with latin women its like they are more receptive...its weird cause on white american its safety issue in day game ,so its a convo , interesting convo.
Latina not really into interesting convo, just seeing what else you got in terms of how macho are you in subtle non verbal sexual communication (one of Jesse's product)...YES in day game, LOL
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandee
Things that Im messing up is :
-I talk too much and lack asking her questions to invest in convo
-lack of qualification or screening statements
-I forget about making her talk about herself...
So its like I talk and talk and talk and abit braggin' eventhoguh it isnt really but , its is abit too much too soon, too deep or too personal.
This is coming from a place of wanting to impress / entertain by just talking non-stop.
Becoming more comfortable with the idea of creating space or PUSH BACK with silences or asking for her input begins with not needing to impress the girl or win her approval so much.
One thing about Miami Latinas is that they tend to be QUIET and not really contribute as much as your typical Gringa. That can cause you to talk more because they're not giving back to the convo.
Latins are very family and social circle oriented, whereas European-descended Americans are more about mingling, meeting new people, and breaking family and old social ties. So you'll find white girls contribute more to the conversation and it's generally easier than with Latin Miami girls.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandee
Im noticing most Latina girls get turned off by this...like they rather you hold back and show abit mystery and more masculine dominant subcommunications to attract her rather than you talking too much about yourself, ofcourse unless she asks you .
It comes down to being introduced and social circles. A lot of Latina girls can come across as straight up weird and cold if you're not properly introduced, and even then as a Gringo you're still an outsider to them.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandee
Jesse any adivice or excersizes on the day game sticking points ?
Not really, unfortunately. I like Gringas. Just easier and cooler people.
Night clubs are different. Just get more physical and persistent against their cold shoulders and less conversational. You have better chance in a night club with them.
Or salsa club. If you can dance well, that will attract a lot of attention as you're such an oddity, and dancing well is a huge status symbol.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandee
but I started talking about a deep comfort story about how I liked nicaraguan food cause a maid in the house when I was a kid was from nicaragua and she used to cook that type of food and I liked it once in awhile....but then I told her that "now she is gone and i found out the lady recently died...."
the girl who was playng with her hair and sexual eye contact with me ...I felt all the sudden she got turned off and she walked away...
You're probably being too nice guy...? So is she feeling sexual intent from you, that sexual fury? Deep eye contact to her lips + eyes, super slow voice, lick your lips, telling her she's hot cute eyes? Maybe you're stuck in conversational friends zone and it got boring to her. She probably has plenty of alpha tough-guy Latin guys in her life she's comparing you to.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandee
So I might have to calibrate and hold back being too deep too soon and trying to get her to talk more about herself.
Maybe, but it may be more of a sexual intent issue.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandee
other girls would say " Awww.... thats so sweet" or "too bad"
A gringa would have given you more conversational banter back to work with, but these stories still wouldn't have turned her on. She'd still see you as a conversation friend.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandee
.. cause it looks like stories turns them off.
I think you're playing things too safe and cautiously, looking for the girl to like you first before you show sexual interest in her. You've got to show sexual interest in her first, and lead her into that attraction state.
Tuesday, January 4, 2011
Multiple Streams of women by SINN
In the spirit of the New Year,
I want to share a really advanced
but simple technique with you today.
But first let me explain where
this technique came from.
A few years ago i was reading
a book on investing and they
said that on average millionaires
have 7 different streams of income.
This got me thinking about
Women(as almost anything does).
It was then that my theory
of multiple streams of meeting
women was borne.
In order to be extremely
successful with women,
you need to have at least
3 different ways you meet
women you're attracted to!
For example, I meet
girls through Day Game,
Acting Classes and
the internet.
You want to make sure
that you vary up your
ways you meet girls and
don't just practice different
forms of cold approach.
Hope that helps,
JS-The King Of Content
P.S To learn all about setting up Multiple
Streams of women in your life, you need
The Get Laid More Home Study Course, get it
at http://www.sinnsofattraction.com/glm/
I want to share a really advanced
but simple technique with you today.
But first let me explain where
this technique came from.
A few years ago i was reading
a book on investing and they
said that on average millionaires
have 7 different streams of income.
This got me thinking about
Women(as almost anything does).
It was then that my theory
of multiple streams of meeting
women was borne.
In order to be extremely
successful with women,
you need to have at least
3 different ways you meet
women you're attracted to!
For example, I meet
girls through Day Game,
Acting Classes and
the internet.
You want to make sure
that you vary up your
ways you meet girls and
don't just practice different
forms of cold approach.
Hope that helps,
JS-The King Of Content
P.S To learn all about setting up Multiple
Streams of women in your life, you need
The Get Laid More Home Study Course, get it
at http://www.sinnsofattraction.com/glm/
Monday, December 27, 2010
Conversation StartersLearn the Daytime Pickup ...Without Failing Or Getting Rejected By Women! by Oliver T
Conversation StartersLearn the Daytime Pickup ...Without Failing Or Getting Rejected By Women!
Let me ask you a question: Do you have a problem starting conversations with women?
Have you ever seen a woman you wanted to meet but you were just couldn’t get yourself to approach her and start a conversation? It’s like there’s something physically stopping your from doing it.
I know how frustrating it can be.
There have been times when I’d see an attractive woman but for some reason I was paralyzed with fear and I didn’t know why.
I just couldn’t explain it.
It was the kind of fear that's so powerful that it prevented me from saying something, anything, to get an interaction started.
Here are some tried and tested tips on how to start a conversation with any woman, anywhere, at anytime…
Conversation Starter Tip # 1- Captivate Her With Your Presence
Relax and Lean back. I’ve discovered that when you assume a relaxed position, even if you’re nervous, you slowly start to feel more relaxed. Next time you’re in an interaction, just lean back and try to be as relaxed and comfortable as you can. That includes doing things like leaning back, taking up some space, and leaning against the wall.
Do whatever helps you relax. For example, when I’m calling up a girl for the first time, I used to lay down flat on the floor and take deep breaths. For some reason, it helped me relax more. Walk and move slow. I modeled this behavior after guys that were NATURALS when it came to dealing with women.
Everything they did was almost too smooth. They walked, talked, and moved slow. They took their time almost like they owned time. And the more I started acting that way, the more positive responses I got from women.
Conversation Starter Tip # 2- Take Baby Steps
Rome wasn't built overnight and you won't be CASANOVA tomorrow. That's just how it works. But you can quickly build yourself up to the point where you can approach any woman, anywhere, at anytime. Here's exactly how to do it.
The 4-Day Challenge
Location: Go to the nearest mall or a place with a lot of people.
Duration: 30 minutes each day
Day 1: Eye Contact
Go out for 30 minutes and hold eye contact with every person you see. Make them look away first. Don’t forget to smile.
Day 2: Hey, How’s Your Day?
Go out for 30 minutes and say “Hey how’s your day” with everyone you see. You can start off with people working in the stores because they will be friendlier.
Day 3: Asking For The Time
Go out for 30 minutes and ask 10 people for the time. Afterwards say “Thanks” and walk away.
Real World Example:
“Excuse me, do you have the time?”
Day 4: Getting Directions
Go out for 30 minutes and ask 10 people for directions to the bathroom, movie theatre, or restaurant of your choice. Afterwards say “Thanks” and walk away.
Real World Example:
“Excuse me, I need your recommendation. What’s a good place
to eat around here?”
Follow up question: “How do I get there?”
Conversation Starter Tip # 3- Learn Advanced Techniques For Starting Conversations With Women
Once you're comfortable with the basic conversation starters, it's time to take it up one more notch…
You need to focus on attracting women, getting dates, and taking things to the next level… Fast.
And that’s why I created Daytime Pick-up Revealed.
I've basically compiled all my priceless techniques to meet any woman, anywhere, at anytime, into a comprehensive and informative e-book packed with hundreds of tips and tricks you can use instantly!
Its JAM PACKED with dozens and dozens of specific strategies for overcoming fear, approaching women, getting phone numbers and email address from women quickly, great in expensive or even free date ideas, and advice on how to take things to a "physical" level smoothly and easily.
In addition, I'd also like to invite you to sign up for my free dating tips newsletter. It's the ultimate resource for becoming a successful pick up artist. It's here - and it's a free website for men to join!
Your Friend,
Oliver Turner
Let me ask you a question: Do you have a problem starting conversations with women?
Have you ever seen a woman you wanted to meet but you were just couldn’t get yourself to approach her and start a conversation? It’s like there’s something physically stopping your from doing it.
I know how frustrating it can be.
There have been times when I’d see an attractive woman but for some reason I was paralyzed with fear and I didn’t know why.
I just couldn’t explain it.
It was the kind of fear that's so powerful that it prevented me from saying something, anything, to get an interaction started.
Here are some tried and tested tips on how to start a conversation with any woman, anywhere, at anytime…
Conversation Starter Tip # 1- Captivate Her With Your Presence
Relax and Lean back. I’ve discovered that when you assume a relaxed position, even if you’re nervous, you slowly start to feel more relaxed. Next time you’re in an interaction, just lean back and try to be as relaxed and comfortable as you can. That includes doing things like leaning back, taking up some space, and leaning against the wall.
Do whatever helps you relax. For example, when I’m calling up a girl for the first time, I used to lay down flat on the floor and take deep breaths. For some reason, it helped me relax more. Walk and move slow. I modeled this behavior after guys that were NATURALS when it came to dealing with women.
Everything they did was almost too smooth. They walked, talked, and moved slow. They took their time almost like they owned time. And the more I started acting that way, the more positive responses I got from women.
Conversation Starter Tip # 2- Take Baby Steps
Rome wasn't built overnight and you won't be CASANOVA tomorrow. That's just how it works. But you can quickly build yourself up to the point where you can approach any woman, anywhere, at anytime. Here's exactly how to do it.
The 4-Day Challenge
Location: Go to the nearest mall or a place with a lot of people.
Duration: 30 minutes each day
Day 1: Eye Contact
Go out for 30 minutes and hold eye contact with every person you see. Make them look away first. Don’t forget to smile.
Day 2: Hey, How’s Your Day?
Go out for 30 minutes and say “Hey how’s your day” with everyone you see. You can start off with people working in the stores because they will be friendlier.
Day 3: Asking For The Time
Go out for 30 minutes and ask 10 people for the time. Afterwards say “Thanks” and walk away.
Real World Example:
“Excuse me, do you have the time?”
Day 4: Getting Directions
Go out for 30 minutes and ask 10 people for directions to the bathroom, movie theatre, or restaurant of your choice. Afterwards say “Thanks” and walk away.
Real World Example:
“Excuse me, I need your recommendation. What’s a good place
to eat around here?”
Follow up question: “How do I get there?”
Conversation Starter Tip # 3- Learn Advanced Techniques For Starting Conversations With Women
Once you're comfortable with the basic conversation starters, it's time to take it up one more notch…
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Thursday, December 23, 2010
Sasha’s Direct Mindset daygame
Hey kids! As you all know I’m going through a big “Direct” shift in my game. It’s fun!
In this video I strive to get across what actually goes through my head when I see a beautiful woman…. And how I am 100% ok with telling her what’s going through my head, as well as hot attractive I think she is!
When I started this journey I was obsessed with openers. I could tell you 100 openers for a 100 situations. And hell, some of ‘em were pretty good! As I’ve been around for a while now, I see guys fussin’ about the same kind of things I was fussin’ about back then. What’s interesting is, I’ve found that by getting in touch with your inner ape man, and letting that ape man OUT – you actually cut out a lot of steps.
What am I talking about?
“What do I say to her?”
“How to I ask for her number?
“What if I run out of things to say?”
“How do I ask her out?”
“How do I make things sexual?”
When you’re in touch with your inner apeman – you don’t need to worry about this. When you speak from the ape “ME MAN. YOU WOMAN. YOU PRETTY. ME LIKE PRETTY WOMAN! You don’t have to worry about all those other details. They sort themselves out. All you have to be sure of are these three things.
1) You’re a heterosexual man.
2) She’s a woman
3) You are physically attracted to her, and would like to sleep with her/get to know her better.
That’s it. That’s all you have to know. What else is there? Not a lot. Just remember:
Some women will want to chat with you a bit before giving out their number. Be prepared to have a bit of chat before the interaction is done. Have SOMEthing to talk about… what you’re up to that day, or something interesting that’s happened recently. But, always remember you’re talking to her because you WANT TO HOOKUP WITH HER – and always push the interaction towards setting up a date!
Upon being opened directly, some women will test you to see if you really are a confident man. Don’t flinch. This is normal. Relax. Maintain eye contact. RELAX AND SMILE. She’s just another woman – one of millions. You, Ape man. You have chosen her – HER. She’s lucky she will have you to protect her from all the other ape man. LUCKY. Never forget this.
Keep the interaction short. 5 mins MAX. When you’re being direct, LESS IS MORE. Be that mysterious, confident guy. Get her number, have a little bit of chat, and GET OUT OF THERE! The more you talk, the more you fall into the “friend” zone. Some guy she spoke to for 25 minutes isn’t a mysterious sexy stranger. It’s her “friend.” Not good!
And remember: There are millions, MILLIONS of women out there you are compatible with. Most of the HOT ones you meet WILL have boyfriends. This is ok… you will have to speak to quite a few before you get somewhere. ENJOY IT! Love that feeling you get when you run up to a girl, and tell her she’s the hottest thing you’ve seen that year/week/hour. LOVE THE PROCESS! Enjoy meeting new people!
They’ll love you for it… and you’ll love you for it as well. And as an Added bonus, I’ll love you too!
That’s all for now, hope you enjoy the vid and leave some comments. I’ll be watchin’
Sasha
In this video I strive to get across what actually goes through my head when I see a beautiful woman…. And how I am 100% ok with telling her what’s going through my head, as well as hot attractive I think she is!
When I started this journey I was obsessed with openers. I could tell you 100 openers for a 100 situations. And hell, some of ‘em were pretty good! As I’ve been around for a while now, I see guys fussin’ about the same kind of things I was fussin’ about back then. What’s interesting is, I’ve found that by getting in touch with your inner ape man, and letting that ape man OUT – you actually cut out a lot of steps.
What am I talking about?
“What do I say to her?”
“How to I ask for her number?
“What if I run out of things to say?”
“How do I ask her out?”
“How do I make things sexual?”
When you’re in touch with your inner apeman – you don’t need to worry about this. When you speak from the ape “ME MAN. YOU WOMAN. YOU PRETTY. ME LIKE PRETTY WOMAN! You don’t have to worry about all those other details. They sort themselves out. All you have to be sure of are these three things.
1) You’re a heterosexual man.
2) She’s a woman
3) You are physically attracted to her, and would like to sleep with her/get to know her better.
That’s it. That’s all you have to know. What else is there? Not a lot. Just remember:
Some women will want to chat with you a bit before giving out their number. Be prepared to have a bit of chat before the interaction is done. Have SOMEthing to talk about… what you’re up to that day, or something interesting that’s happened recently. But, always remember you’re talking to her because you WANT TO HOOKUP WITH HER – and always push the interaction towards setting up a date!
Upon being opened directly, some women will test you to see if you really are a confident man. Don’t flinch. This is normal. Relax. Maintain eye contact. RELAX AND SMILE. She’s just another woman – one of millions. You, Ape man. You have chosen her – HER. She’s lucky she will have you to protect her from all the other ape man. LUCKY. Never forget this.
Keep the interaction short. 5 mins MAX. When you’re being direct, LESS IS MORE. Be that mysterious, confident guy. Get her number, have a little bit of chat, and GET OUT OF THERE! The more you talk, the more you fall into the “friend” zone. Some guy she spoke to for 25 minutes isn’t a mysterious sexy stranger. It’s her “friend.” Not good!
And remember: There are millions, MILLIONS of women out there you are compatible with. Most of the HOT ones you meet WILL have boyfriends. This is ok… you will have to speak to quite a few before you get somewhere. ENJOY IT! Love that feeling you get when you run up to a girl, and tell her she’s the hottest thing you’ve seen that year/week/hour. LOVE THE PROCESS! Enjoy meeting new people!
They’ll love you for it… and you’ll love you for it as well. And as an Added bonus, I’ll love you too!
That’s all for now, hope you enjoy the vid and leave some comments. I’ll be watchin’
Sasha
“Approaching Women And Starting Conversations – Pre-Framing”
For some men the very thought of approaching women and starting conversations is enough to leave him trembling with fear. And the cause of this fear? Usually, it’s the thought that if you approach women you’ll get rejected, and often in the harshest ways possible.
If I asked you to imagine the worst kind of response from a daytime approach, what would you think of?
“Fuck off!”
“Leave me alone!”
“Go away!”
” ” (complete silence)
I’m guessing these will probably be some of them. Well, I have a confession to make.
I’ve had all of these.
Did it hurt?
You bet.
Am I about to tell you guys that you will get this too at some point and to just bite the bullet and do it anyway?
Actually no.
Because there is a very specific reason why you would get responses like these when approaching women and starting conversations. I learnt the hard way, but now I have this knowledge I can help others avoid some painful rejections.
I’m going to teach you about PRE-FRAMING.
When approaching women and starting conversations, what can often happen, ESPECIALLY if you’re approaching them on the street, is the girl automatically places the “Salesman Frame” over the interaction.
Before we continue lets quickly outline what a “Frame” is. A Frame is the context through which the words in the interaction are filtered – therefore the Frame over the interaction plays a huge part in determining what is ultimately being communicated.
That probably doesn’t make sense, so let me explain with an example.
Your best friend tells you that a certain stranger at a party is a complete liar and always exaggerates everything, and not to believe anything he says. The stranger approaches you and tells you he is a world champion pool player. Do you believe him? No. Because your friend “Pre-Framed” him as a lyer. Now everything he said was being filtered through the frame of a liar, thus changing what was ultimately communicated.
Back to the approach.
If a woman had lived her life in a cocoon before deciding to walk down that street, and you were the first person in her entire life to try and grab her attention in the street, she would stop guaranteed. The problem is that this isn’t the case. She HAS been approached in the street before. And the problem, is that nearly all of these times it’s been someone trying to GET something from her. Salesman, club promoters, charity people, beggers – it’s always been someone approaching to try and take some value.
So you approach, and unless you take counter-measures, she will see you approach, and will automatically place a “Salesman frame” on the impending interaction. Now ANYTHING you say will be filtered through this filter, and she won’t be listening to any of it, because she really doesn’t want to buy anything.
“Sorry I’m busy”
“I’m not interested”
“Leave me alone”
If you’ve ever had this reponse from a girl, then I guarantee you she is only saying this because she has preframed you, and is just assuming you are a salesman of some kind.
DO NOT TAKE THIS TO HEART!
You have nothing to sell – you’re actually approaching to GIVE value, through your fun positive vibe/compliments etc. So clearly there’s a mistake happening.
And in order to prevent this mistake from happening, you need to PRE-FRAME the interaction. This is where you place your own frame on the interaction before she has a chance to, in the form a short, intriguing statement just as you approach.
The statement will replace what you might have been saying to get her attention, for example “Hi there, sorry to bother you”
Replace it with a statement that is very unconventional – something that she might not have heard on the street before. Something that will take her by surprise and make her want to hear what you’re going to say next. Something that a salesman would NEVER say.
Some examples are:
“Oh my god I HAVE to say this to you….”
“Oh my god can I just say something?….”
“Excuse me, this is gonna sound crazy but….”
Get the idea?
A statement like this will Pre-Frame the interaction as anything BUT a salesman. She will be intrigued enough to stop and listen to you. Remember, all the pre-frame does is make her stop. She might just say “yes, what is it?”
But “Yes, what is it?” is a million times better than “Sorry I’m busy”!
Go out there and just remember when you’re approaching women and starting conversations to always start off with the pre-frame before you actually open, and you will find women much more open to talking to you.
Look forward to reading your comments for this article below!
Good luck!
Andy.
If I asked you to imagine the worst kind of response from a daytime approach, what would you think of?
“Fuck off!”
“Leave me alone!”
“Go away!”
” ” (complete silence)
I’m guessing these will probably be some of them. Well, I have a confession to make.
I’ve had all of these.
Did it hurt?
You bet.
Am I about to tell you guys that you will get this too at some point and to just bite the bullet and do it anyway?
Actually no.
Because there is a very specific reason why you would get responses like these when approaching women and starting conversations. I learnt the hard way, but now I have this knowledge I can help others avoid some painful rejections.
I’m going to teach you about PRE-FRAMING.
When approaching women and starting conversations, what can often happen, ESPECIALLY if you’re approaching them on the street, is the girl automatically places the “Salesman Frame” over the interaction.
Before we continue lets quickly outline what a “Frame” is. A Frame is the context through which the words in the interaction are filtered – therefore the Frame over the interaction plays a huge part in determining what is ultimately being communicated.
That probably doesn’t make sense, so let me explain with an example.
Your best friend tells you that a certain stranger at a party is a complete liar and always exaggerates everything, and not to believe anything he says. The stranger approaches you and tells you he is a world champion pool player. Do you believe him? No. Because your friend “Pre-Framed” him as a lyer. Now everything he said was being filtered through the frame of a liar, thus changing what was ultimately communicated.
Back to the approach.
If a woman had lived her life in a cocoon before deciding to walk down that street, and you were the first person in her entire life to try and grab her attention in the street, she would stop guaranteed. The problem is that this isn’t the case. She HAS been approached in the street before. And the problem, is that nearly all of these times it’s been someone trying to GET something from her. Salesman, club promoters, charity people, beggers – it’s always been someone approaching to try and take some value.
So you approach, and unless you take counter-measures, she will see you approach, and will automatically place a “Salesman frame” on the impending interaction. Now ANYTHING you say will be filtered through this filter, and she won’t be listening to any of it, because she really doesn’t want to buy anything.
“Sorry I’m busy”
“I’m not interested”
“Leave me alone”
If you’ve ever had this reponse from a girl, then I guarantee you she is only saying this because she has preframed you, and is just assuming you are a salesman of some kind.
DO NOT TAKE THIS TO HEART!
You have nothing to sell – you’re actually approaching to GIVE value, through your fun positive vibe/compliments etc. So clearly there’s a mistake happening.
And in order to prevent this mistake from happening, you need to PRE-FRAME the interaction. This is where you place your own frame on the interaction before she has a chance to, in the form a short, intriguing statement just as you approach.
The statement will replace what you might have been saying to get her attention, for example “Hi there, sorry to bother you”
Replace it with a statement that is very unconventional – something that she might not have heard on the street before. Something that will take her by surprise and make her want to hear what you’re going to say next. Something that a salesman would NEVER say.
Some examples are:
“Oh my god I HAVE to say this to you….”
“Oh my god can I just say something?….”
“Excuse me, this is gonna sound crazy but….”
Get the idea?
A statement like this will Pre-Frame the interaction as anything BUT a salesman. She will be intrigued enough to stop and listen to you. Remember, all the pre-frame does is make her stop. She might just say “yes, what is it?”
But “Yes, what is it?” is a million times better than “Sorry I’m busy”!
Go out there and just remember when you’re approaching women and starting conversations to always start off with the pre-frame before you actually open, and you will find women much more open to talking to you.
Look forward to reading your comments for this article below!
Good luck!
Andy.
Saturday, December 18, 2010
Yads observation of his daygame
I observed him and when you model someone you have to read their subcommunication first.
Sinn calls this backwards engineering, he models it and tried to reproduce it by breaking it down.
YAD DOES:
1-he mirrors the girl alot..- deren brown mirrors in his opening daygame example.
automatic Rapport and controling her state.
2-he isnt into the whole bodylanguage of opening or how - he just opens and makes it casual and friendly.
3-he uses sexual frames in between the convo , in daygame he talks about
"how crazy would it be to make out in the middle of the day?" as a challeng to the girl and then prior ending the set after the number close he brigns it in again and escalates.
4- he has her invest in the conversation too, very good very good...he tried to handle timebridge -instadate damage control well by moving forward in the seduction eve though logistics is fucked.
5-he baits responses
6-He does something very intersting CJ talks about this I think, actually Topo talks in inifeld insider how CJ in the middle of the set satrs giving the girl IOIs in terms of sexual state.
I caught YAD doing this by escalting the IOI and him mirroring it and him touching his neck or his hair and the way looking at her...
this was the MINDFUCK of how he does it....knowing this is basically law of state transfer in RSD.
which is you can game daygame or nightgame or anywhere if you know this !!!
Sinn calls this backwards engineering, he models it and tried to reproduce it by breaking it down.
YAD DOES:
1-he mirrors the girl alot..- deren brown mirrors in his opening daygame example.
automatic Rapport and controling her state.
2-he isnt into the whole bodylanguage of opening or how - he just opens and makes it casual and friendly.
3-he uses sexual frames in between the convo , in daygame he talks about
"how crazy would it be to make out in the middle of the day?" as a challeng to the girl and then prior ending the set after the number close he brigns it in again and escalates.
4- he has her invest in the conversation too, very good very good...he tried to handle timebridge -instadate damage control well by moving forward in the seduction eve though logistics is fucked.
5-he baits responses
6-He does something very intersting CJ talks about this I think, actually Topo talks in inifeld insider how CJ in the middle of the set satrs giving the girl IOIs in terms of sexual state.
I caught YAD doing this by escalting the IOI and him mirroring it and him touching his neck or his hair and the way looking at her...
this was the MINDFUCK of how he does it....knowing this is basically law of state transfer in RSD.
which is you can game daygame or nightgame or anywhere if you know this !!!
badboy's 2 advices that make you really good....great tips on game and emotional calibration
is the advice of going out and make her night.....I used this when I got LMR and couldnt close , and used BT spiking to make her feel awesome and happy.. I was happy myself, this is awesome advice.
Neediness energy, forget seduction ...... this is important to project. My first sticking points were seeking rapport who SAFFRON detected. I credit him with this, once m,y subcommunicacion became non needy it created the girl to react to me.
also as a bonus.......
talk about her feelings the way she feels.....
this is crucial and he is vague about it but its the pillar of NLP and her stae and controlling her emotions..
you become the harp player, the pied piper to her emotions...
I use only humour and sexual and confusion with some RSD Routines from TIM and RYAN's verbal attraction..
I avoid talking about low or sad things ..maybe for door pattern but for tother stuff I dont, I disagree with TOPO on this..... I do use CJs heartmelters but only 1, also I dont over qualify, CJ uses 1 or 2 , I used one big one and cosmo routine so no need to talk alot..unless its revvelant to her personality and or conversation to deepend her incvesting or talking....conversational skills itself is included qualifiers.
YAD in his infield video doesnt qualify, saffron qualify as chalengeing after comfort and attraction..to get her chasing him....this i used to do alot. best way ...push pull : )
badboy He uses different emotions...I tried but not had success.
Neediness energy, forget seduction ...... this is important to project. My first sticking points were seeking rapport who SAFFRON detected. I credit him with this, once m,y subcommunicacion became non needy it created the girl to react to me.
also as a bonus.......
talk about her feelings the way she feels.....
this is crucial and he is vague about it but its the pillar of NLP and her stae and controlling her emotions..
you become the harp player, the pied piper to her emotions...
I use only humour and sexual and confusion with some RSD Routines from TIM and RYAN's verbal attraction..
I avoid talking about low or sad things ..maybe for door pattern but for tother stuff I dont, I disagree with TOPO on this..... I do use CJs heartmelters but only 1, also I dont over qualify, CJ uses 1 or 2 , I used one big one and cosmo routine so no need to talk alot..unless its revvelant to her personality and or conversation to deepend her incvesting or talking....conversational skills itself is included qualifiers.
YAD in his infield video doesnt qualify, saffron qualify as chalengeing after comfort and attraction..to get her chasing him....this i used to do alot. best way ...push pull : )
badboy He uses different emotions...I tried but not had success.
Thursday, December 16, 2010
Day Game- The Most Underrated Form of Game
Day Game- The Most Underrated Form of Game
Want to approach her? You can.
I haven’t been posting lately and this is because I have been going through a transformation since my bootcamp. I’ve been out constantly sarging and bettering my game…
An interesting thing happened this week. You know when I started pick up I ran social circle and alot of nightgame… I have run day game some of the time, but this week I went through a realization.
I ran a street pickup and bounced the hb to a coffee shop. I was able to close her on the Day 3 it could have been a Day 2 close, but there were time constraints. The sarge was done entirely during the day. From opening to closing it was run during the day.
Now, I am more determined than ever to improve my day game. Street game probably has the lowest probably of the different types of day game. However, I find street game the most exciting
There’s so many things going on with my game right now but the main focus on this post is day game.
Day Game Tips:
1. High traffic areas- make sure to hit up high traffic areas since this has the most amount of people and potential sets to open
2. Street Game- although street game is an area I am improving I have noticed if you move the sarge quickly (kinoing early, locking in, bouncing) you can have a higher rate of success
3. Bookstores- bookstores are a great place to game during the day. One thing I have done lately is take hb’s to the travel section of the bookstore and pick out the place they would most like to travel to. From there, we sit down and look through the pictures in the book (good for kino). Also, you can bounce around other areas of the bookstore.
4. Coffee shops- these are good as well. Make sure not to talk to the hb’s from a standing position for a long time.
**Know your bounce locations during the day. You never know when you will have a set that will go well. Then, if you don’t know your bounce locations, you will be walking around looking. This is not good trust me I have been there.
Don’t be afraid to kino during the day either. Kino’ing was one of my weaker areas after my bootcamp, but I have gotten my kino calibration tighter now. Kino works well after your bt spikes…
A few tips for day game. Keep on Sarging!
By the way, the new David Guetta cd is hott!
Hey! Nice post – Daygame is the shiiiiiiiiit !
Have been doing a lot of daygame for the last couple of years… just a quick top for anybody who wants to have success with it:
If you want to approach some hottie who’s walking down the street:
Make sure to approach from the side and touch the girl (gently, above the elbow) BEFORE you start speaking to her.
If you start talking while walking – often the girl won’t even know you’re talking to her… or if she’s not sure (and doesn’t want to take the chance that you’re some weirdo) – she’ll just pretend she didn’t hear you.
But, if you touch her first (smile) and THEN run your opener – she HAS to acknowledge you… there’s no getting away from the interaction! This increases your chances of stopping her by 300% (probably more!)
Remember: Girls are like horses: If you approach from the rear – or straight on – you can freak them out! Smile, touch first – and you’ve got a chance!
Good luck and have fun everyone!
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Thanks man these tips are excellent. Day game is vastly better than night game. I haven’t gone to night clubs now for about six months, you dont realize how much they suck till you haven’t been to one for a while. The smoke the noise having to stay up late when you gotta work the next day. I’m sure you know what i mean
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AlphaWolf says:
September 24, 2009 at 3:13 am
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September 25, 2009 at 1:54 pm
Yeah, your site is awesome for the terminology! Any cool stories from Brazil? If you do, I can publish them on the blog giving you credit. Let me know!
Farmarz I do know what you mean. The daytime is so much more relaxed than the night!
Sasha Pua says:
January 5, 2010 at 2:15 pm
Hey! Nice post – Daygame is the shiiiiiiiiit !
Have been doing a lot of daygame for the last couple of years… just a quick top for anybody who wants to have success with it:
If you want to approach some hottie who’s walking down the street:
Make sure to approach from the side and touch the girl (gently, above the elbow) BEFORE you start speaking to her.
If you start talking while walking – often the girl won’t even know you’re talking to her… or if she’s not sure (and doesn’t want to take the chance that you’re some weirdo) – she’ll just pretend she didn’t hear you.
But, if you touch her first (smile) and THEN run your opener – she HAS to acknowledge you… there’s no getting away from the interaction! This increases your chances of stopping her by 300% (probably more!)
Remember: Girls are like horses: If you approach from the rear – or straight on – you can freak them out! Smile, touch first – and you’ve got a chance!
Good luck and have fun everyone!
Bolo says:
January 5, 2010 at 8:12 pm
Hey Sasha.
Heard a lot about your from Lumiere and Ginger. Hear you’re damn good at day game. Looking forward to sarging with you cuz Night Game is over rated. If you’re ever in Korea or Taiwan then holla at us.
Want to approach her? You can.
I haven’t been posting lately and this is because I have been going through a transformation since my bootcamp. I’ve been out constantly sarging and bettering my game…
An interesting thing happened this week. You know when I started pick up I ran social circle and alot of nightgame… I have run day game some of the time, but this week I went through a realization.
I ran a street pickup and bounced the hb to a coffee shop. I was able to close her on the Day 3 it could have been a Day 2 close, but there were time constraints. The sarge was done entirely during the day. From opening to closing it was run during the day.
Now, I am more determined than ever to improve my day game. Street game probably has the lowest probably of the different types of day game. However, I find street game the most exciting
There’s so many things going on with my game right now but the main focus on this post is day game.
Day Game Tips:
1. High traffic areas- make sure to hit up high traffic areas since this has the most amount of people and potential sets to open
2. Street Game- although street game is an area I am improving I have noticed if you move the sarge quickly (kinoing early, locking in, bouncing) you can have a higher rate of success
3. Bookstores- bookstores are a great place to game during the day. One thing I have done lately is take hb’s to the travel section of the bookstore and pick out the place they would most like to travel to. From there, we sit down and look through the pictures in the book (good for kino). Also, you can bounce around other areas of the bookstore.
4. Coffee shops- these are good as well. Make sure not to talk to the hb’s from a standing position for a long time.
**Know your bounce locations during the day. You never know when you will have a set that will go well. Then, if you don’t know your bounce locations, you will be walking around looking. This is not good trust me I have been there.
Don’t be afraid to kino during the day either. Kino’ing was one of my weaker areas after my bootcamp, but I have gotten my kino calibration tighter now. Kino works well after your bt spikes…
A few tips for day game. Keep on Sarging!
By the way, the new David Guetta cd is hott!
Hey! Nice post – Daygame is the shiiiiiiiiit !
Have been doing a lot of daygame for the last couple of years… just a quick top for anybody who wants to have success with it:
If you want to approach some hottie who’s walking down the street:
Make sure to approach from the side and touch the girl (gently, above the elbow) BEFORE you start speaking to her.
If you start talking while walking – often the girl won’t even know you’re talking to her… or if she’s not sure (and doesn’t want to take the chance that you’re some weirdo) – she’ll just pretend she didn’t hear you.
But, if you touch her first (smile) and THEN run your opener – she HAS to acknowledge you… there’s no getting away from the interaction! This increases your chances of stopping her by 300% (probably more!)
Remember: Girls are like horses: If you approach from the rear – or straight on – you can freak them out! Smile, touch first – and you’ve got a chance!
Good luck and have fun everyone!
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Thanks man these tips are excellent. Day game is vastly better than night game. I haven’t gone to night clubs now for about six months, you dont realize how much they suck till you haven’t been to one for a while. The smoke the noise having to stay up late when you gotta work the next day. I’m sure you know what i mean
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P.S> Brazil was amazing.
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Yeah, your site is awesome for the terminology! Any cool stories from Brazil? If you do, I can publish them on the blog giving you credit. Let me know!
Farmarz I do know what you mean. The daytime is so much more relaxed than the night!
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January 5, 2010 at 2:15 pm
Hey! Nice post – Daygame is the shiiiiiiiiit !
Have been doing a lot of daygame for the last couple of years… just a quick top for anybody who wants to have success with it:
If you want to approach some hottie who’s walking down the street:
Make sure to approach from the side and touch the girl (gently, above the elbow) BEFORE you start speaking to her.
If you start talking while walking – often the girl won’t even know you’re talking to her… or if she’s not sure (and doesn’t want to take the chance that you’re some weirdo) – she’ll just pretend she didn’t hear you.
But, if you touch her first (smile) and THEN run your opener – she HAS to acknowledge you… there’s no getting away from the interaction! This increases your chances of stopping her by 300% (probably more!)
Remember: Girls are like horses: If you approach from the rear – or straight on – you can freak them out! Smile, touch first – and you’ve got a chance!
Good luck and have fun everyone!
Bolo says:
January 5, 2010 at 8:12 pm
Hey Sasha.
Heard a lot about your from Lumiere and Ginger. Hear you’re damn good at day game. Looking forward to sarging with you cuz Night Game is over rated. If you’re ever in Korea or Taiwan then holla at us.
Daytime women who avoid eye contact..physical shit test ?
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I usually do more seduction and try not to overthink too much with too much theory. Been busy with an important exam coming up so been studying that.
BUT I like to go out during daytime here in Miami.
2 days ago I ran into a strange situation.
I had to run errands. this is art of where I go to talk with strangers etc..
daygame etc
I usually do more inital eye contact and use my deep voice as per Jesse's voice excersize video. i dont joke too much but use alot of eye contact and very sly semi sexual and smirk..and see if she gives non verbal IOIs then I open my mouth about random stuff.
but today somethign I noticed...
Cashier semi attractive big tits 27 yr old latin/cuban woman 8*, though very limited in talking with clients...She would give me eye contact, I tried even throwing in a joke and she kept looking elsewhere or down but not directly at me, like breaking rapport in subtle way.
next bank teller ,
blonde 20 yr old really young sexy latin/cuban another *8..
I was talking to her to pay something, I noticed she was doing superficial rapport and not checking me out at all. I then start throwing a story in to "DHV" ,still she ignored not even pay attention to what I was saying.
Also avoided eye contact all together and ran superficial rapport. She avoid further talk.
Im unsure if I should let it go/withdraw NEXT or break rapport to make her uneasy and move interaction forward.
Like to hear from Jesse and you guys who have experienced this and noticed.
I dont usually get this but Im not sure if it has to deal with type of woman, or the mindset of detecting that reaction when the girl is not reacting at all towards you period.
I usually get noticed by women, they hold eye contact or even initate eye contact with me and hold it.
but most latin or Cuban women intially to me ,they avoid eye contact or look down like avoiding at all cost eventhough we are talking.
Its something not to obesess about but Id like to hear your thoughts on how you see this and can be talked about.
is it a physical sh*t test for you to do something or is it basically not interested and NEXT....
this would be very intersting to hear.
Thanks
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Well, as always the world doesnt turn around you Sandee, so occasional miss eye contact is acceptable. If you really want to have a person make eye contact with you, you can always try some unconventional stuff, like creating awkward situation or pauses...
Dont over think this.
Btw, I missed your intro. Did you do it?
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Well, as always the world doesnt turn around you Sandee, so occasional miss eye contact is acceptable. If you really want to have a person make eye contact with you, you can always try some unconventional stuff, like creating awkward situation or pauses...
Dont over think this.
Btw, I missed your intro. Did you do it?
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Sandee, many girls will specifically look away or look down when they feel ATTRACTED to you. So it's really tough to gauge attraction levels when a girl is not making eye contact. She could be feeling nothing OR she could be feeling sexual heat and that's her automated response to deal with it - avert her eyes.
You don't want to get into a habit of looking for eye contact either, ideally. A woman gives you eye contact and you feel validated. Your state spikes and you feel better.
The next girl doesn't give you eye contact, and you wonder what's wrong. Your state slips.
Your state goes up and down, and you start gaming just to get eye contact rather than opening. Not at all saying that is what's happening here, but just something to watch for!
Persistence is your friend here. If a girl is averting her eyes, you need to keep talking to her (with a touch if you can) so that she has time to become comfortable, and then she'll start making eye contact back.
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Its one of thouse things that when I started using non verbal sexual cuing with women, a whole perspective opened up....
as you explain this very well, YES, as I started getting these women that "avoid personal rapport/avoid eye contact", My inner self went into short circuit.
YES, You are dead on brother!
that is whats happening, I got to stop doing that.
Persistance, definately will try to be more.
You totally understand me Jesse, Thank you bro
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by Franco » Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:18 am
Hello Sandros,
Yes physical shit tests do exist.
I analyze your descriptions of non verbal situations:
>casheir semi attractive big tits 32 yrs old latin/cuban woman 8*, though >very limited in talking with clients...She would give me eye contact, I tried >even throwing in a joke and she kept looking elsewhere or down but not >directly at me, like breaking rapport in subtle way.
Usually if she does not like you she looks to the side. It´s an instinctive reaction. Men do the same: if you see a UG on your way instinctively you turn your head to the other side. This reactions of hers: first giving EC and then looking elsewhere or down tells me more that she is either shy or was caught off guard by your approach.
>next bank teller ,
>blonde 20 yr old really young sexy latin/cuban another *8..
>I was talking to her to pay something, I noticed she was doing superficial >rapport and not checking me out at all. I then start throwing a story in to >"DHV" ,still she ignored not even pay attention to what I was saying.
>Also avoided eye contact all together and ran superficial rapport. She >avoid further talk.
This one is being professional: she gave you the clear message "Don´t mess with me. I am working and being a professional here."
In my opinion the first one had comfort issues when you approached and you got her off guard. So work on comfort. The second one you can next: she gave you the clear message that she is working and does not want/cannot let you in.
>Im unsure if I should let it go/withdraw NEXT or break rapport ish type of >push pull compliment to gauge attention and push the interaction when >this happens.
Risk taking is always good still.. you need to also be good in investing your energy to avoid loss of time. Time is gold in business and... sarging. I would say with the first one you can try to build more comfort and with the second one risk taking would carry a cost of opportunity which is too big especially if there are other nice girls around.
Cheers, Franco
http://www.francoseduction.com/manual-of-seduction
Like to hear from Franco and you guys who have experienced this and noticed.
I dont usually get this but Im not sure if it has to deal with type of woman, or the mindset of detecting that reaction when the girl is not reacting at all towards you period.
I usually get noticed by women, they hold eye contact or even initate eye contact with me and hold it.
but most latin women intially they avoid eye contact or look down like avoiding at all cost eventhough we are talking.
Its something not to obesess about but Id like to hear your thoughts on how you see this and can be talked about.
is it a physical shite test for you to do something or is it basically not interested and NEXT....
this would be very intersting to hear.
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Thank you Franco,
I find it weird. but it makes sense. Some women dont want so I NEXT.
YEs the field taught me stuff and Im glad you can tell me its true about physical shit test.
Thank you talk soon
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Hey Tripp,
sorry Ive been away.
Np. I've been super busy too.
Ive been studying for an exam and went to interviews.Its alot of stuff.
That's good though.
I think we have a couple of minutes left to talk.
1. Daygame: I do daygame usually when Im doing things. Ive been having better louder sound in my voice due to rehersing karaoke.lol.
Good. A more solid voice is always a good thing.
I noticed here in Miami, latin women arent that friendly.
couple of things happen with hired guns here is: They avoid eye contact.women whether cashier or bank teller or supermarket checkout girl.
Hmm. Avoiding eye contact is very bad for a hired gun. That means those employees don't give a shit about their job. "Hired guns" are just that, girls that are hired because of their looks but are also required to be social. Of course, the jobs you mention here, most of those girls look at those jobs as just "filler", basically meaningless. A paycheck and that's it. When you think of "hired guns", think more of strippers and waitresses. Things like that. Those women had a purpose when they got those jobs. To look good to make money.
Even though I throw my voice and eliciting IOI's by bodylanguage.
Ok, how do you mean you're eliciting IOI's by body language? What are you doing?
They avoid eye contact, its like superficial rapport.
this has happend several ocassions.
So today went to bank teller to explain about an account I had in NY and that I owed money to the bank, I moved here in FL.
Well, talking to a bank teller about an old account you owe money on . . . isn't exactly high value, lol.
She was really pretty, I did bodylanguage and smiled but not too much...threw in 2 DHVs to create attraction "I had this account when I lived in NY,now moved here to Miami but was away US, so Im trying to catch up from traveling" since She wasnt really listening to me...still no reaction....Whoa...whats wrong?
From what it sounds to me, probably wondering how you traveled if you owe money on a bank account. Or thinks you're irresponsible to travel while owing money on a bank account. Just my take from what I'm reading, bro.
its daygame and I was thinking ok,its usually rapport based attraction...
she had green eyes, I thought mysterys are they real or throw in a joke but at that point it was time to bounce.
I don't see that working in this particular situation.
the other ones gave no chance of even building rapport nor eye contact..
its weird. then I bumped into this article which explained how women here are.http://www.seductionscience.com/2010/south-beach-miami/
""The women are not particularly friendly. Not mean. But not really friendly either. Picking up by being a laid back, “nice guy” won’t cut it. Expect blow out after blow out and stay in the set no matter what until you turn them around. It’s intense and a rush, but don’t expect to just breeze on in and pull girls with little effort.""
I dont like nightgame and I havent been doing any nightgame either.
I did have few intereactions w women to hook up online but thats fools mate.
Ok, I understand not liking night game since it's not for everyone, but the LEARNING curve is MUCH faster when learning night game. But, why do you not like fool's mate?
I wanted your thoughts on daygame and some suggestions from sticking points. here mentioned and would be great addition to talk.
Daygame uses the same attraction switches as night game, but it's a much different pace. Night game is about the fastest pace you'll find. Day game is much slower in a way, but you also have to realize that during the day, women have this "to do" list in their head, so may not be too open to talking then either. They are thinking, "I need to get this and this and this done. I don't have time to talk." Other women are just leisurely taking their time because they HAVE plenty of time. You have to calibrate to each of those.
Im taking my exam 1st week in December, was going to take it in november cause its very broad.
Lets talk soon,
thanks,
We should be able to talk soon. I may be able to squeeze 30 minutes in this week. I've got a really busy week. And I've got my first book signing this Saturday, plus Thanksgiving Thursday and all that.
I usually do more seduction and try not to overthink too much with too much theory. Been busy with an important exam coming up so been studying that.
BUT I like to go out during daytime here in Miami.
2 days ago I ran into a strange situation.
I had to run errands. this is art of where I go to talk with strangers etc..
daygame etc
I usually do more inital eye contact and use my deep voice as per Jesse's voice excersize video. i dont joke too much but use alot of eye contact and very sly semi sexual and smirk..and see if she gives non verbal IOIs then I open my mouth about random stuff.
but today somethign I noticed...
Cashier semi attractive big tits 27 yr old latin/cuban woman 8*, though very limited in talking with clients...She would give me eye contact, I tried even throwing in a joke and she kept looking elsewhere or down but not directly at me, like breaking rapport in subtle way.
next bank teller ,
blonde 20 yr old really young sexy latin/cuban another *8..
I was talking to her to pay something, I noticed she was doing superficial rapport and not checking me out at all. I then start throwing a story in to "DHV" ,still she ignored not even pay attention to what I was saying.
Also avoided eye contact all together and ran superficial rapport. She avoid further talk.
Im unsure if I should let it go/withdraw NEXT or break rapport to make her uneasy and move interaction forward.
Like to hear from Jesse and you guys who have experienced this and noticed.
I dont usually get this but Im not sure if it has to deal with type of woman, or the mindset of detecting that reaction when the girl is not reacting at all towards you period.
I usually get noticed by women, they hold eye contact or even initate eye contact with me and hold it.
but most latin or Cuban women intially to me ,they avoid eye contact or look down like avoiding at all cost eventhough we are talking.
Its something not to obesess about but Id like to hear your thoughts on how you see this and can be talked about.
is it a physical sh*t test for you to do something or is it basically not interested and NEXT....
this would be very intersting to hear.
Thanks
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Well, as always the world doesnt turn around you Sandee, so occasional miss eye contact is acceptable. If you really want to have a person make eye contact with you, you can always try some unconventional stuff, like creating awkward situation or pauses...
Dont over think this.
Btw, I missed your intro. Did you do it?
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Well, as always the world doesnt turn around you Sandee, so occasional miss eye contact is acceptable. If you really want to have a person make eye contact with you, you can always try some unconventional stuff, like creating awkward situation or pauses...
Dont over think this.
Btw, I missed your intro. Did you do it?
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I slap the girls ass as I start a first date.
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Sandee, many girls will specifically look away or look down when they feel ATTRACTED to you. So it's really tough to gauge attraction levels when a girl is not making eye contact. She could be feeling nothing OR she could be feeling sexual heat and that's her automated response to deal with it - avert her eyes.
You don't want to get into a habit of looking for eye contact either, ideally. A woman gives you eye contact and you feel validated. Your state spikes and you feel better.
The next girl doesn't give you eye contact, and you wonder what's wrong. Your state slips.
Your state goes up and down, and you start gaming just to get eye contact rather than opening. Not at all saying that is what's happening here, but just something to watch for!
Persistence is your friend here. If a girl is averting her eyes, you need to keep talking to her (with a touch if you can) so that she has time to become comfortable, and then she'll start making eye contact back.
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Its one of thouse things that when I started using non verbal sexual cuing with women, a whole perspective opened up....
as you explain this very well, YES, as I started getting these women that "avoid personal rapport/avoid eye contact", My inner self went into short circuit.
YES, You are dead on brother!
that is whats happening, I got to stop doing that.
Persistance, definately will try to be more.
You totally understand me Jesse, Thank you bro
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by Franco » Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:18 am
Hello Sandros,
Yes physical shit tests do exist.
I analyze your descriptions of non verbal situations:
>casheir semi attractive big tits 32 yrs old latin/cuban woman 8*, though >very limited in talking with clients...She would give me eye contact, I tried >even throwing in a joke and she kept looking elsewhere or down but not >directly at me, like breaking rapport in subtle way.
Usually if she does not like you she looks to the side. It´s an instinctive reaction. Men do the same: if you see a UG on your way instinctively you turn your head to the other side. This reactions of hers: first giving EC and then looking elsewhere or down tells me more that she is either shy or was caught off guard by your approach.
>next bank teller ,
>blonde 20 yr old really young sexy latin/cuban another *8..
>I was talking to her to pay something, I noticed she was doing superficial >rapport and not checking me out at all. I then start throwing a story in to >"DHV" ,still she ignored not even pay attention to what I was saying.
>Also avoided eye contact all together and ran superficial rapport. She >avoid further talk.
This one is being professional: she gave you the clear message "Don´t mess with me. I am working and being a professional here."
In my opinion the first one had comfort issues when you approached and you got her off guard. So work on comfort. The second one you can next: she gave you the clear message that she is working and does not want/cannot let you in.
>Im unsure if I should let it go/withdraw NEXT or break rapport ish type of >push pull compliment to gauge attention and push the interaction when >this happens.
Risk taking is always good still.. you need to also be good in investing your energy to avoid loss of time. Time is gold in business and... sarging. I would say with the first one you can try to build more comfort and with the second one risk taking would carry a cost of opportunity which is too big especially if there are other nice girls around.
Cheers, Franco
http://www.francoseduction.com/manual-of-seduction
Like to hear from Franco and you guys who have experienced this and noticed.
I dont usually get this but Im not sure if it has to deal with type of woman, or the mindset of detecting that reaction when the girl is not reacting at all towards you period.
I usually get noticed by women, they hold eye contact or even initate eye contact with me and hold it.
but most latin women intially they avoid eye contact or look down like avoiding at all cost eventhough we are talking.
Its something not to obesess about but Id like to hear your thoughts on how you see this and can be talked about.
is it a physical shite test for you to do something or is it basically not interested and NEXT....
this would be very intersting to hear.
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by papa sandros » Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:48 am
Thank you Franco,
I find it weird. but it makes sense. Some women dont want so I NEXT.
YEs the field taught me stuff and Im glad you can tell me its true about physical shit test.
Thank you talk soon
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TRipps :
Hey Tripp,
sorry Ive been away.
Np. I've been super busy too.
Ive been studying for an exam and went to interviews.Its alot of stuff.
That's good though.
I think we have a couple of minutes left to talk.
1. Daygame: I do daygame usually when Im doing things. Ive been having better louder sound in my voice due to rehersing karaoke.lol.
Good. A more solid voice is always a good thing.
I noticed here in Miami, latin women arent that friendly.
couple of things happen with hired guns here is: They avoid eye contact.women whether cashier or bank teller or supermarket checkout girl.
Hmm. Avoiding eye contact is very bad for a hired gun. That means those employees don't give a shit about their job. "Hired guns" are just that, girls that are hired because of their looks but are also required to be social. Of course, the jobs you mention here, most of those girls look at those jobs as just "filler", basically meaningless. A paycheck and that's it. When you think of "hired guns", think more of strippers and waitresses. Things like that. Those women had a purpose when they got those jobs. To look good to make money.
Even though I throw my voice and eliciting IOI's by bodylanguage.
Ok, how do you mean you're eliciting IOI's by body language? What are you doing?
They avoid eye contact, its like superficial rapport.
this has happend several ocassions.
So today went to bank teller to explain about an account I had in NY and that I owed money to the bank, I moved here in FL.
Well, talking to a bank teller about an old account you owe money on . . . isn't exactly high value, lol.
She was really pretty, I did bodylanguage and smiled but not too much...threw in 2 DHVs to create attraction "I had this account when I lived in NY,now moved here to Miami but was away US, so Im trying to catch up from traveling" since She wasnt really listening to me...still no reaction....Whoa...whats wrong?
From what it sounds to me, probably wondering how you traveled if you owe money on a bank account. Or thinks you're irresponsible to travel while owing money on a bank account. Just my take from what I'm reading, bro.
its daygame and I was thinking ok,its usually rapport based attraction...
she had green eyes, I thought mysterys are they real or throw in a joke but at that point it was time to bounce.
I don't see that working in this particular situation.
the other ones gave no chance of even building rapport nor eye contact..
its weird. then I bumped into this article which explained how women here are.http://www.seductionscience.com/2010/south-beach-miami/
""The women are not particularly friendly. Not mean. But not really friendly either. Picking up by being a laid back, “nice guy” won’t cut it. Expect blow out after blow out and stay in the set no matter what until you turn them around. It’s intense and a rush, but don’t expect to just breeze on in and pull girls with little effort.""
I dont like nightgame and I havent been doing any nightgame either.
I did have few intereactions w women to hook up online but thats fools mate.
Ok, I understand not liking night game since it's not for everyone, but the LEARNING curve is MUCH faster when learning night game. But, why do you not like fool's mate?
I wanted your thoughts on daygame and some suggestions from sticking points. here mentioned and would be great addition to talk.
Daygame uses the same attraction switches as night game, but it's a much different pace. Night game is about the fastest pace you'll find. Day game is much slower in a way, but you also have to realize that during the day, women have this "to do" list in their head, so may not be too open to talking then either. They are thinking, "I need to get this and this and this done. I don't have time to talk." Other women are just leisurely taking their time because they HAVE plenty of time. You have to calibrate to each of those.
Im taking my exam 1st week in December, was going to take it in november cause its very broad.
Lets talk soon,
thanks,
We should be able to talk soon. I may be able to squeeze 30 minutes in this week. I've got a really busy week. And I've got my first book signing this Saturday, plus Thanksgiving Thursday and all that.
FR Random woman in gasoline station tell me in a sexual way "I bite really HARD"
Hey Ive been extremely busy with studying for exam but Ive run into simliar situations and tonight it happend again.
Gas station:
woman in front is fake red head type 27 yr old *7-8*scale
she was talking to the cashier who is a woman also, and I was behind her at the line.She was kind of tipsy yet kept asking the cashier if she got something to eat, which I found weird in my opinion.I was behind her at the line and didnt notice people was waiting to be attended.
she turned around and said, "Oh Im sorry, go ahead..... i dont bite"
I smiled at her as she made eye contact and then she said "well actually I bite...I bite HARD in real life" in a horny flirtacious-semi serious sort of way.
The guy behind me was blushing as he was buying a beer was just laughing and turning red.
I just smirked back and didnt know what the fuck to say cause honestly she could have been lightly drunk or buzzed..yet she was being flirtacious and bit sexual...
and its like 7pm at a gas station in FL.
I just smirked and smiled but couldnt figure out in my head right after she threw that.I was in a tired state, didnt react properly.
how many times do women flirt out the bat like that?
If I neggged her or "teased"her...not sure, cause it would be punishing her and sorta awkward sorta making it a big deal.
yet I could have just framed it as her wanting to get in my pants ...which is kindah obvious maybe
I dont know, I think studying has been on my mind more logical that makes you rusty in seduction scenarios.
Still, If you were at a gas station 7pm,a woman turns around
looks like this:
tells you I bite in real life in a subtle sexual way at a gas station..WWYD?
how to escalate this, I know if I ask on a date is certainly a flake, I think going for a seduction is better IMO, but this is a gas station at 7pm and I had similar if you read at a 24 hr store aswell and I didnt know what to do.
What would you do if this woman does that.
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by Franco » Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:33 am
Hello Sandros,
This is beautiful. You are being dominant on her and she reacts dominant back. This is a huge sexual innuendo from her.
See when you run direct game like this then you cannot end it. You gotta go all the way long with it even if there are other people around.
Here you should go on with more dominance and try to have her into a semi-isolated place in the venue because.. you cannot know for how long she will be able to run that game with you before she gets worried about the judgment of the people around.
This is what I would do:
>she turned around and said, "Oh Im sorry, go ahead..... i dont bite"
>I smiled at her as she made eye contact and then she said "well actually I >bite...I bite HARD in real life" in a horny flirtacious-semi serious sort of way.
If I would have some food in my hand bought at the bar or whatever eatable like for example a chocolate bar I would politely withdraw a little bit. Sit at table. With my finger would order her to sit down close to me and then put the chocolate bar in front of her nose and say "Bit this then" and proceed with the sarge.
Or I would use even more cocky and funny like "My name is Spock, Mr. Spock, nice to know you. On your Planet we do not feel bites anyway come to sit there with me and tell me more about the inhabitants of this Planet" while telling this I would grab her hand and literally try to have her come to a table.
And let the guy behind me faint .. who cares?:)
>If I neggged her
NO! Never neg a girl who gives you such a sexual innuendo. Just help her become submissive.
>or "teased"her...not sure, cause it would be punishing her
No, if you tease her while leading her where you want then you are being more dominant than her and increase her horniness. You will know very fast if she is willing to be submissive and if her "bite" was sexual or not because.. if she is a masculine dominant bitch at that point she will not comply to your leading and maybe even try to offend you.
At which point you simply turn around and.. leave without a word.
If the sexual innuendo was real she will become more submissive when you become more dominant and follow you.
>and sorta awkward sorta making it a big deal.
>yet I could have just framed it as her wanting to get in my >pants ...which is kindah obvious maybe
Yes this would have been a good one.
You: "Hmm.. you look like hungry. Come to bite now but remember: only biting and nothing else!"
>I dont know, I think studying has been on my mind more logical that >makes you rusty in seduction scenarios.
Yes studying is a huge trip into down time mode and one needs uptime mode to sarge.
Still, If you were at a gas station 7pm,a woman turns around
>What would you do if this woman does that.
Play along and be only slightly more dominant than her and lead her at the same time where I want her to be.
When you do direct game then you gotta be congruent and go on with the direct stuff all the way long till she submits.
Cheers, Franco
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Jesses comments:
haha, that sucks being taken off guard like that and being tongue-tied.
First, she took a big "risk" and you've got to take a big "risk" back. Like say, "Heeeyyy Girl!" Like you already KNOW her. And then give her a BIG HUG.
PULL HER IN, and WHISPER sexy into her ear. "God, you turn me on..."
And keep in mind this advice,
Being
Being ‘Liked’ By Girls Doesn’t Get You Laid!… And Why Guys Fail In Dating
November 9th, 2010 by Jesse Charger
99% of guys come into pickup from the frame: “I want to be LIKED by girls.”
What they do is they putter around for YEARS being a “nice guy” trying to be liked by girls.
Yes, they learn theory, tricks, and tactics, but ultimately they remain “nice guys”.
……..They don’t interrupt conversations at the bar and take them over.
……..They don’t approach because they think the girl might have a boyfriend and they don’t want to get in the way.
……..They don’t look girl’s body up and down and get their creep on because they want to be a “gentleman”.
……..They don’t pull the girl in and grab her ass to get their faces slapped.
……..They use routines to say “the right things” to make the girl laugh, but not offend her or challenge her.
When you want to get better with girls, it’s quite an understandable impulse to want to be “Liked”.
But you know the best way to be LIKED by everyone? Kiss ass. Supplicate. Make your voice quiet and accommodating. Don’t take up space. Be helpful. Say funny things to make the girls laugh. Tell people what you think they want to hear. Mold your opinions to theirs. And NEVER show your sexual intentions lest you creep someone out.
That’s exactly how you get LIKED by everyone. But it doesn’t get you LAID.
If you want to get LAID, you have to let go of being liked all the time and start getting in people’s faces and start stepping on toes.
To get laid, you’re going to need to become an I-come-first, troublemaking Rake to overturn the natural order, with a smile.
That means leering at girls and openly undressing her with your eyes as you talk to them.
That means telling girls upfront that they’re hot, even if the guy standing next to her could be her boyfriend.
That means loudly interrupting a group at a bar and taking over the conversation.
That means pushing yourself on an interested girl, even is her cock-blocking friends are screaming at you and giving you the finger.
Game and pickup and having sexual abundance is NOT about being liked. It’s about making girls wet between the legs because of your reckless persistence and unapologetic sexuality, even if that means pissing off half the people on the planet.
If you’re in this to be LIKED you’re in the wrong field of study.
If you’re relying on routines to be LIKED by the girls, you’re coming from a bad place.
If you’re opening timidly and hiding your intentions to ensure that you’re LIKED, you’re going to fail.
And MOST guys who come into this game will learn a little theory and then putter around for YEARS… and YEARS… trying to make girls LIKE them.
And they NEVER get over their approach anxiety. Because that need to be liked is *THE* source of your approach anxiety.
Only when you decide to drop all the “I hope this make her like me” phony, not-you gimmicks and instead begin to openly and unapologetically get your CREEP ON with girls, only then will the approach anxiety fall away and girls begin REACTING to you as a sexual caveman and Rake who goes for what he wants.
Reckless Game teaches you just that, to Recklessly take action, to Recklessly persist, and to Recklessly express your core desires as a man, regardless of being “liked”.
So remember, this is not about being LIKED, this is about getting LAID and keep in mind the difference.
Leave a comment below and let me know your experience!
~ Jesse
Gas station:
woman in front is fake red head type 27 yr old *7-8*scale
she was talking to the cashier who is a woman also, and I was behind her at the line.She was kind of tipsy yet kept asking the cashier if she got something to eat, which I found weird in my opinion.I was behind her at the line and didnt notice people was waiting to be attended.
she turned around and said, "Oh Im sorry, go ahead..... i dont bite"
I smiled at her as she made eye contact and then she said "well actually I bite...I bite HARD in real life" in a horny flirtacious-semi serious sort of way.
The guy behind me was blushing as he was buying a beer was just laughing and turning red.
I just smirked back and didnt know what the fuck to say cause honestly she could have been lightly drunk or buzzed..yet she was being flirtacious and bit sexual...
and its like 7pm at a gas station in FL.
I just smirked and smiled but couldnt figure out in my head right after she threw that.I was in a tired state, didnt react properly.
how many times do women flirt out the bat like that?
If I neggged her or "teased"her...not sure, cause it would be punishing her and sorta awkward sorta making it a big deal.
yet I could have just framed it as her wanting to get in my pants ...which is kindah obvious maybe
I dont know, I think studying has been on my mind more logical that makes you rusty in seduction scenarios.
Still, If you were at a gas station 7pm,a woman turns around
looks like this:
tells you I bite in real life in a subtle sexual way at a gas station..WWYD?
how to escalate this, I know if I ask on a date is certainly a flake, I think going for a seduction is better IMO, but this is a gas station at 7pm and I had similar if you read at a 24 hr store aswell and I didnt know what to do.
What would you do if this woman does that.
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by Franco » Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:33 am
Hello Sandros,
This is beautiful. You are being dominant on her and she reacts dominant back. This is a huge sexual innuendo from her.
See when you run direct game like this then you cannot end it. You gotta go all the way long with it even if there are other people around.
Here you should go on with more dominance and try to have her into a semi-isolated place in the venue because.. you cannot know for how long she will be able to run that game with you before she gets worried about the judgment of the people around.
This is what I would do:
>she turned around and said, "Oh Im sorry, go ahead..... i dont bite"
>I smiled at her as she made eye contact and then she said "well actually I >bite...I bite HARD in real life" in a horny flirtacious-semi serious sort of way.
If I would have some food in my hand bought at the bar or whatever eatable like for example a chocolate bar I would politely withdraw a little bit. Sit at table. With my finger would order her to sit down close to me and then put the chocolate bar in front of her nose and say "Bit this then" and proceed with the sarge.
Or I would use even more cocky and funny like "My name is Spock, Mr. Spock, nice to know you. On your Planet we do not feel bites anyway come to sit there with me and tell me more about the inhabitants of this Planet" while telling this I would grab her hand and literally try to have her come to a table.
And let the guy behind me faint .. who cares?:)
>If I neggged her
NO! Never neg a girl who gives you such a sexual innuendo. Just help her become submissive.
>or "teased"her...not sure, cause it would be punishing her
No, if you tease her while leading her where you want then you are being more dominant than her and increase her horniness. You will know very fast if she is willing to be submissive and if her "bite" was sexual or not because.. if she is a masculine dominant bitch at that point she will not comply to your leading and maybe even try to offend you.
At which point you simply turn around and.. leave without a word.
If the sexual innuendo was real she will become more submissive when you become more dominant and follow you.
>and sorta awkward sorta making it a big deal.
>yet I could have just framed it as her wanting to get in my >pants ...which is kindah obvious maybe
Yes this would have been a good one.
You: "Hmm.. you look like hungry. Come to bite now but remember: only biting and nothing else!"
>I dont know, I think studying has been on my mind more logical that >makes you rusty in seduction scenarios.
Yes studying is a huge trip into down time mode and one needs uptime mode to sarge.
Still, If you were at a gas station 7pm,a woman turns around
>What would you do if this woman does that.
Play along and be only slightly more dominant than her and lead her at the same time where I want her to be.
When you do direct game then you gotta be congruent and go on with the direct stuff all the way long till she submits.
Cheers, Franco
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Jesses comments:
haha, that sucks being taken off guard like that and being tongue-tied.
First, she took a big "risk" and you've got to take a big "risk" back. Like say, "Heeeyyy Girl!" Like you already KNOW her. And then give her a BIG HUG.
PULL HER IN, and WHISPER sexy into her ear. "God, you turn me on..."
And keep in mind this advice,
Being
Being ‘Liked’ By Girls Doesn’t Get You Laid!… And Why Guys Fail In Dating
November 9th, 2010 by Jesse Charger
99% of guys come into pickup from the frame: “I want to be LIKED by girls.”
What they do is they putter around for YEARS being a “nice guy” trying to be liked by girls.
Yes, they learn theory, tricks, and tactics, but ultimately they remain “nice guys”.
……..They don’t interrupt conversations at the bar and take them over.
……..They don’t approach because they think the girl might have a boyfriend and they don’t want to get in the way.
……..They don’t look girl’s body up and down and get their creep on because they want to be a “gentleman”.
……..They don’t pull the girl in and grab her ass to get their faces slapped.
……..They use routines to say “the right things” to make the girl laugh, but not offend her or challenge her.
When you want to get better with girls, it’s quite an understandable impulse to want to be “Liked”.
But you know the best way to be LIKED by everyone? Kiss ass. Supplicate. Make your voice quiet and accommodating. Don’t take up space. Be helpful. Say funny things to make the girls laugh. Tell people what you think they want to hear. Mold your opinions to theirs. And NEVER show your sexual intentions lest you creep someone out.
That’s exactly how you get LIKED by everyone. But it doesn’t get you LAID.
If you want to get LAID, you have to let go of being liked all the time and start getting in people’s faces and start stepping on toes.
To get laid, you’re going to need to become an I-come-first, troublemaking Rake to overturn the natural order, with a smile.
That means leering at girls and openly undressing her with your eyes as you talk to them.
That means telling girls upfront that they’re hot, even if the guy standing next to her could be her boyfriend.
That means loudly interrupting a group at a bar and taking over the conversation.
That means pushing yourself on an interested girl, even is her cock-blocking friends are screaming at you and giving you the finger.
Game and pickup and having sexual abundance is NOT about being liked. It’s about making girls wet between the legs because of your reckless persistence and unapologetic sexuality, even if that means pissing off half the people on the planet.
If you’re in this to be LIKED you’re in the wrong field of study.
If you’re relying on routines to be LIKED by the girls, you’re coming from a bad place.
If you’re opening timidly and hiding your intentions to ensure that you’re LIKED, you’re going to fail.
And MOST guys who come into this game will learn a little theory and then putter around for YEARS… and YEARS… trying to make girls LIKE them.
And they NEVER get over their approach anxiety. Because that need to be liked is *THE* source of your approach anxiety.
Only when you decide to drop all the “I hope this make her like me” phony, not-you gimmicks and instead begin to openly and unapologetically get your CREEP ON with girls, only then will the approach anxiety fall away and girls begin REACTING to you as a sexual caveman and Rake who goes for what he wants.
Reckless Game teaches you just that, to Recklessly take action, to Recklessly persist, and to Recklessly express your core desires as a man, regardless of being “liked”.
So remember, this is not about being LIKED, this is about getting LAID and keep in mind the difference.
Leave a comment below and let me know your experience!
~ Jesse
Daygame hesitation sticking points :I noticed a pattern
I only do daygame.
and most scenarios have to do with either being somewhere and seeing a woman hot doing random errands and I get clueless at times to open them.
I dont go to coffee shops and bookstores just for pickup, I got ton of stuff to do and I think I should have an ability to be somewhere and get a chance to get to know a girl.
A scenario is today I saw was :
Gas station I was pumping gas and the car
the car behind me a hot woman comes out and goes in to pay and then goes to pump her gas into her car , she looks elsewhere doesnt notice me..I try to go open and hesitate...dont open F-K!
Library: Im standing looking for a book standing infront of bookshelf looking at books,I notice a cute girl looking at me ,
I look and notice her looking at me and catch her eye.....I hesitate and look away back into looking into bookshelf and she leaves....F-K!
Outside Supermarket:
I was driving by talking w my brother in my car a notice a woman who is corner who walks out of a local mini mart...I drive by slow and she then stands in the corner to cross , she stares and then I smile she smiles back with a sexual vibe and I drive away....its like we exchanged sexual eye contact....
I noticed from this and other posts before that Im constantly hesitating to open, Its ok to be caught off guard but now its becoming more and more often these scenarios and Im not doing something about it and its frustrating.
[QUOTE=Jesse Charger;4853]For day game, it can help to feel that *inner fury*.
"I will chase this girl down to the ends of the Earth, no matter what it takes" feeling. But still chilled and relaxed about it. So that you have that masculine drive...
[/QUOTE]
It makes sense Jesse, I tried this out and yes, you are right my state fluctuates a bit. about the masculine drive...I just happened read this other Post article you wrote:
[QUOTE=Jesse Charger;4853]Here’s What NOT to Do
The thing is, most guys do the exact OPPOSITE. They would secretly love to date a tanned blonde more than anything, but whenever they see one, they put their heads down and pretend not to notice her. And they NEVER express their desires.....
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AHA! Yes this is whats wrong
I see a girl have passion for her and social anxiety kicks in... and I then cockblock myself at times and hesitate. put my head down pretend not to notice her and look away..
I like how you put this cause it makes sense...
Excellent ,thank you guys.
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Youre not the only guy who has seen an opportunity and didnt approach. I have done it so many times so dont beat yourself over the the head.
For me pickup begins at each morning when I get out of bed. I shower, shave look at myself in the mirror tell myself how handsome and sexy I am. I head to the station make small talk with old lady at the bus stop. Get onthe bus pay for my ticket do some small talk with the bus conductor.
Get of the bus head to the coffee shop. Chat to the girl behind the counter about her day so far. Head to work on the train.
By this time I am already in a "social vibe". In my experience once you are switched to a social vibe its easier to move to sexual vibe.
Take every opportunity to make conversation with people around you. To get yourself into a social vibe. Constantly talk to different people during the day. Even to women you dont fancy.
Some guys in the community have this ego thing. Oh I only smooth talk to hot women. Guys who do that end up having a tool to talk to hot girls but it never really becomes part of their personality. Once it becomes a tool which is not part of them they find it harder to switch on when they see a girl they really do fancy.
Hope this helps
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Yeah, I agree with, FM..I have stalled/hesitated many times and still do.
But, I also do the things FM does by being friendly with as many people as possible.
Here's my moto:
Be friendly and flirt with ALL women. This includes TOUCHING the women. (Handshake, squeeze her hand, touch her shoulder, etc.)
Yes, I can see it as developing momentum as soon as I wake-up.
TM
and most scenarios have to do with either being somewhere and seeing a woman hot doing random errands and I get clueless at times to open them.
I dont go to coffee shops and bookstores just for pickup, I got ton of stuff to do and I think I should have an ability to be somewhere and get a chance to get to know a girl.
A scenario is today I saw was :
Gas station I was pumping gas and the car
the car behind me a hot woman comes out and goes in to pay and then goes to pump her gas into her car , she looks elsewhere doesnt notice me..I try to go open and hesitate...dont open F-K!
Library: Im standing looking for a book standing infront of bookshelf looking at books,I notice a cute girl looking at me ,
I look and notice her looking at me and catch her eye.....I hesitate and look away back into looking into bookshelf and she leaves....F-K!
Outside Supermarket:
I was driving by talking w my brother in my car a notice a woman who is corner who walks out of a local mini mart...I drive by slow and she then stands in the corner to cross , she stares and then I smile she smiles back with a sexual vibe and I drive away....its like we exchanged sexual eye contact....
I noticed from this and other posts before that Im constantly hesitating to open, Its ok to be caught off guard but now its becoming more and more often these scenarios and Im not doing something about it and its frustrating.
[QUOTE=Jesse Charger;4853]For day game, it can help to feel that *inner fury*.
"I will chase this girl down to the ends of the Earth, no matter what it takes" feeling. But still chilled and relaxed about it. So that you have that masculine drive...
[/QUOTE]
It makes sense Jesse, I tried this out and yes, you are right my state fluctuates a bit. about the masculine drive...I just happened read this other Post article you wrote:
[QUOTE=Jesse Charger;4853]Here’s What NOT to Do
The thing is, most guys do the exact OPPOSITE. They would secretly love to date a tanned blonde more than anything, but whenever they see one, they put their heads down and pretend not to notice her. And they NEVER express their desires.....
[/QUOTE]
AHA! Yes this is whats wrong
I see a girl have passion for her and social anxiety kicks in... and I then cockblock myself at times and hesitate. put my head down pretend not to notice her and look away..
I like how you put this cause it makes sense...
Excellent ,thank you guys.
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Youre not the only guy who has seen an opportunity and didnt approach. I have done it so many times so dont beat yourself over the the head.
For me pickup begins at each morning when I get out of bed. I shower, shave look at myself in the mirror tell myself how handsome and sexy I am. I head to the station make small talk with old lady at the bus stop. Get onthe bus pay for my ticket do some small talk with the bus conductor.
Get of the bus head to the coffee shop. Chat to the girl behind the counter about her day so far. Head to work on the train.
By this time I am already in a "social vibe". In my experience once you are switched to a social vibe its easier to move to sexual vibe.
Take every opportunity to make conversation with people around you. To get yourself into a social vibe. Constantly talk to different people during the day. Even to women you dont fancy.
Some guys in the community have this ego thing. Oh I only smooth talk to hot women. Guys who do that end up having a tool to talk to hot girls but it never really becomes part of their personality. Once it becomes a tool which is not part of them they find it harder to switch on when they see a girl they really do fancy.
Hope this helps
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Yeah, I agree with, FM..I have stalled/hesitated many times and still do.
But, I also do the things FM does by being friendly with as many people as possible.
Here's my moto:
Be friendly and flirt with ALL women. This includes TOUCHING the women. (Handshake, squeeze her hand, touch her shoulder, etc.)
Yes, I can see it as developing momentum as soon as I wake-up.
TM
Friday, December 10, 2010
performance anxiety sticking point in daygame: answers Justin Wayne and others
Daygame hesitation sticking points :I noticed a pattern
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I only do daygame.
and most scenarios have to do with either being somewhere and seeing a woman hot doing random errands and I get clueless at times to open them.
I dont go to coffee shops and bookstores just for pickup, I got ton of stuff to do and I think I should have an ability to be somewhere and get a chance to get to know a girl.
A scenario is today I saw was :
Gas station I was pumping gas and the car
the car behind me a hot woman comes out and goes in to pay and then goes to pump her gas into her car , she looks elsewhere doesnt notice me..I try to go open and hesitate...dont open F-K!
Library: Im standing looking for a book standing infront of bookshelf looking at books,I notice a cute girl looking at me ,
I look and notice her looking at me and catch her eye.....I hesitate and look away back into looking into bookshelf and she leaves....F-K!
Outside Supermarket:
I was driving by talking w my brother in my car a notice a woman who is corner who walks out of a local mini mart...I drive by slow and she then stands in the corner to cross , she stares and then I smile she smiles back with a sexual vibe and I drive away....its like we exchanged sexual eye contact....
I noticed from this and other posts before that Im constantly hesitating to open, Its ok to be caught off guard but now its becoming more and more often these scenarios and Im not doing something about it and its frustrating.
I would like any suggestions on this issue Im having.
Thanks guys
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Hey Sandros
I've been studying hard for finals too. Its good to hear from you again.
Firstly, I want you to know thats it is only natural to feel 'off guard'. Stranger approaching is NOT normal and is considered 'weird' to normal people. Stranger approach, as you may have noticed, takes a certain mindset to carry out. That is why I look at it as a sport since you are playing against some odds which enhance the feeling of success.
The reason why it is a "performance" and NOT a way simple way of life, it's because we are not programmed to consistently meet and trust people who we do not know. Even if we program ourselves to do it, the people who were are approaching will still be conditioned to not truly connect with strangers in any meaningful way. This is why it has to be a 'performance'.
Some people think that performing means coming off fake. This is not necessarily the case. Even if someone looks perfectly natural doing random stranger approach game, they are still 'performing'. They are simply performing well.
That being understood. I remember you mentioning that you have a lot of experience gaming in NY and Miami. I guarantee that anyone who is not a NEWBIE is definitely not afraid to 'approach' a girl and simply just open. That's an easy task for anyone who have at least approached dozens of strangers. Especially since you can simply walk away if you approached ONLY for the sake of practicing opening.
It has now come to my attention that what most people (who are not newbies) do NOT fear the Approach. They fear the PERFORMANCE that they have to do after the open. It is relatively easy to say "hi". It is difficult to perform after saying hi.
Let's think about it. After you approach the girl to say hi, then you have to barrel through many potential challenges and social awkwardness that you have already faced far too many times in the back of your mind. She may look at you as if she is uncomfortable, she may be slightly rude to you, she may be friendly but still not interested in you and you find out later, She may get a phone call. OR, you may sound nervous, you may forget what you were going to say, you may be lost for words, you may say something stupid. Etc.
Performing is the act of trying to get the girl in which 99% is after the opener. Performing is what you must face in real time. It is wat makes you feel like you 'invested' or 'wasted' your time.
Approach Anxiety = Only for NEWBIES
Performance Anxiety = For most people who are actually trying to get the girl.
There is also a strange notion that "naturals" can just do random street approach and get laid like rockstars. MAJORLY FALSE.
Naturals do more warm approaching. The most difficult thing a natural would do is a WARM Approach in a social venue where it is NOT awkward to approach women. Naturals inherently know that at first glance, doing random stranger approaches on the street is not the ideal thing to do. Truth be told. It is not. Most naturals meet girls though social circles and a bar of friend etc.
Naturals do not randomly approach stranger and get laid. When they try, they too look and feel awkward in many cases too. It is not that they are social awkward people, it is just that they are going against social nature. Random Stranger approaching goes against it.
So stranger approach is a performance because it is not Natural to approach random people and make a true romantic connection with them. This is why it has to be looked as a science and art from in my humble opinion. The science has to do with the ratio of what works and what doesn't. The art is how you convey what you are suppose to.
So do not beat yourself up because you do not approach a girl when you are going through your normal activities. Even I do not approach all the time. It feels awkward for me too when I am not in the MODE or mindset. I mostly get laid when i change my mindset to perform. Since stranger approaching is out of the ordinary and goes against our very nature. I pass beautiful women in my life all the time too.
Stranger Approaching can be learned. But like anything else, it is not for everyone. That is why I will always let people know the truth about it. It worked for me after digging very deep.
This is why I suggest to society at large that Random Stranger Approaching should be only viewed as a niche and will always be a "niche". Just like any other challenging sport such as Free Running.
Also, if you want to feel sane, please do stranger approaching in moderation. I always tell my students to NOT practice every day, It will make you come off weird. Unless you have a great social circle of people who you are always in touch with.
Ultimately, whether you become great at Random Stranger Approach or not, focus on being apart of social circles where you can be given a fair chance and also come have normal interaction with people without trying to get something from them. It is good for your social mental psyche.
It is normal and ok to feel this way.
Nothing is wrong with you.
Hope this helps.
Justin WAyne
PS. I wrote this long because I felt its time for me to start giving more advice so people can understand what I am about. I will take your name out of it for confidentiality. Great question. Let me know if you have any other questions
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Originally Posted by Illustrator
Hesitation comes from fear. Kill the fear you kill the hesitation.
Thanks man.GREAT Advice.
Quote:
Originally Posted by RedSeraph
You have an advantage in that you are trying to make these approaches during the day, to strangers you will likely never see again. Keeping that in mind, if you mess up, there really isn't any damage done, no one to be embarrassed to. So you have nothing to lose just snapping to say SOMETHING, ANYTHING to these ladies, and crashing and burning, just to get used to opening quickly and thinking on your feet. This should motivate you to act first and think later. Get the experience.
You are right I shouldn't feel nervous.I should say this to myself. Thanks
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Originally Posted by LastMan
Obvious question:
Have you ever not had this problem? Or does the 'daygame' you 'do' consist entirely of missed oppurtunities?
Not really, in the past I would do standard cold approach, but since I started noticing girls checking me out and giving me IOIs and started using more eye contact to initiate (something Ive been experimenting) I get into these situations and hesitate..cause Ive never read or heard anyone talk about girls giving you interest in Pickup ,its always about you doing a bunch of cold appraoches. Also in NY its mainly street game by foot , but here in Mia.. here it isnt common for a stranger to appraoch, its not social thing to do that.
you can say that Im in the middle of "I know I can appraoch" and " Ok she gives interest" "this is a gas station, now what ?" or " She is eye fucking me, OK what am I supposed to do".
Like performance anxiety of some sort.
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TEQUILA MAN SAYS:
Yeah, Sandee, I call it stalling. We ALL do it.
ForeverMan and Jesse should have some good advice.
TM
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I only do daygame.
and most scenarios have to do with either being somewhere and seeing a woman hot doing random errands and I get clueless at times to open them.
I dont go to coffee shops and bookstores just for pickup, I got ton of stuff to do and I think I should have an ability to be somewhere and get a chance to get to know a girl.
A scenario is today I saw was :
Gas station I was pumping gas and the car
the car behind me a hot woman comes out and goes in to pay and then goes to pump her gas into her car , she looks elsewhere doesnt notice me..I try to go open and hesitate...dont open F-K!
Library: Im standing looking for a book standing infront of bookshelf looking at books,I notice a cute girl looking at me ,
I look and notice her looking at me and catch her eye.....I hesitate and look away back into looking into bookshelf and she leaves....F-K!
Outside Supermarket:
I was driving by talking w my brother in my car a notice a woman who is corner who walks out of a local mini mart...I drive by slow and she then stands in the corner to cross , she stares and then I smile she smiles back with a sexual vibe and I drive away....its like we exchanged sexual eye contact....
I noticed from this and other posts before that Im constantly hesitating to open, Its ok to be caught off guard but now its becoming more and more often these scenarios and Im not doing something about it and its frustrating.
I would like any suggestions on this issue Im having.
Thanks guys
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Hey Sandros
I've been studying hard for finals too. Its good to hear from you again.
Firstly, I want you to know thats it is only natural to feel 'off guard'. Stranger approaching is NOT normal and is considered 'weird' to normal people. Stranger approach, as you may have noticed, takes a certain mindset to carry out. That is why I look at it as a sport since you are playing against some odds which enhance the feeling of success.
The reason why it is a "performance" and NOT a way simple way of life, it's because we are not programmed to consistently meet and trust people who we do not know. Even if we program ourselves to do it, the people who were are approaching will still be conditioned to not truly connect with strangers in any meaningful way. This is why it has to be a 'performance'.
Some people think that performing means coming off fake. This is not necessarily the case. Even if someone looks perfectly natural doing random stranger approach game, they are still 'performing'. They are simply performing well.
That being understood. I remember you mentioning that you have a lot of experience gaming in NY and Miami. I guarantee that anyone who is not a NEWBIE is definitely not afraid to 'approach' a girl and simply just open. That's an easy task for anyone who have at least approached dozens of strangers. Especially since you can simply walk away if you approached ONLY for the sake of practicing opening.
It has now come to my attention that what most people (who are not newbies) do NOT fear the Approach. They fear the PERFORMANCE that they have to do after the open. It is relatively easy to say "hi". It is difficult to perform after saying hi.
Let's think about it. After you approach the girl to say hi, then you have to barrel through many potential challenges and social awkwardness that you have already faced far too many times in the back of your mind. She may look at you as if she is uncomfortable, she may be slightly rude to you, she may be friendly but still not interested in you and you find out later, She may get a phone call. OR, you may sound nervous, you may forget what you were going to say, you may be lost for words, you may say something stupid. Etc.
Performing is the act of trying to get the girl in which 99% is after the opener. Performing is what you must face in real time. It is wat makes you feel like you 'invested' or 'wasted' your time.
Approach Anxiety = Only for NEWBIES
Performance Anxiety = For most people who are actually trying to get the girl.
There is also a strange notion that "naturals" can just do random street approach and get laid like rockstars. MAJORLY FALSE.
Naturals do more warm approaching. The most difficult thing a natural would do is a WARM Approach in a social venue where it is NOT awkward to approach women. Naturals inherently know that at first glance, doing random stranger approaches on the street is not the ideal thing to do. Truth be told. It is not. Most naturals meet girls though social circles and a bar of friend etc.
Naturals do not randomly approach stranger and get laid. When they try, they too look and feel awkward in many cases too. It is not that they are social awkward people, it is just that they are going against social nature. Random Stranger approaching goes against it.
So stranger approach is a performance because it is not Natural to approach random people and make a true romantic connection with them. This is why it has to be looked as a science and art from in my humble opinion. The science has to do with the ratio of what works and what doesn't. The art is how you convey what you are suppose to.
So do not beat yourself up because you do not approach a girl when you are going through your normal activities. Even I do not approach all the time. It feels awkward for me too when I am not in the MODE or mindset. I mostly get laid when i change my mindset to perform. Since stranger approaching is out of the ordinary and goes against our very nature. I pass beautiful women in my life all the time too.
Stranger Approaching can be learned. But like anything else, it is not for everyone. That is why I will always let people know the truth about it. It worked for me after digging very deep.
This is why I suggest to society at large that Random Stranger Approaching should be only viewed as a niche and will always be a "niche". Just like any other challenging sport such as Free Running.
Also, if you want to feel sane, please do stranger approaching in moderation. I always tell my students to NOT practice every day, It will make you come off weird. Unless you have a great social circle of people who you are always in touch with.
Ultimately, whether you become great at Random Stranger Approach or not, focus on being apart of social circles where you can be given a fair chance and also come have normal interaction with people without trying to get something from them. It is good for your social mental psyche.
It is normal and ok to feel this way.
Nothing is wrong with you.
Hope this helps.
Justin WAyne
PS. I wrote this long because I felt its time for me to start giving more advice so people can understand what I am about. I will take your name out of it for confidentiality. Great question. Let me know if you have any other questions
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Originally Posted by Illustrator
Hesitation comes from fear. Kill the fear you kill the hesitation.
Thanks man.GREAT Advice.
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Originally Posted by RedSeraph
You have an advantage in that you are trying to make these approaches during the day, to strangers you will likely never see again. Keeping that in mind, if you mess up, there really isn't any damage done, no one to be embarrassed to. So you have nothing to lose just snapping to say SOMETHING, ANYTHING to these ladies, and crashing and burning, just to get used to opening quickly and thinking on your feet. This should motivate you to act first and think later. Get the experience.
You are right I shouldn't feel nervous.I should say this to myself. Thanks
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Originally Posted by LastMan
Obvious question:
Have you ever not had this problem? Or does the 'daygame' you 'do' consist entirely of missed oppurtunities?
Not really, in the past I would do standard cold approach, but since I started noticing girls checking me out and giving me IOIs and started using more eye contact to initiate (something Ive been experimenting) I get into these situations and hesitate..cause Ive never read or heard anyone talk about girls giving you interest in Pickup ,its always about you doing a bunch of cold appraoches. Also in NY its mainly street game by foot , but here in Mia.. here it isnt common for a stranger to appraoch, its not social thing to do that.
you can say that Im in the middle of "I know I can appraoch" and " Ok she gives interest" "this is a gas station, now what ?" or " She is eye fucking me, OK what am I supposed to do".
Like performance anxiety of some sort.
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TEQUILA MAN SAYS:
Yeah, Sandee, I call it stalling. We ALL do it.
ForeverMan and Jesse should have some good advice.
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