Letter to Trip to myself and Stop the LSE attitude and get back into being REAL with Myself

Hey man
I'm be honest that ive been thinking the whole day.
and yes i feel like ive denigrated myself w begging w gloria and her lse made me feel like lse.its like energy traps you energy vampires.

My fb from nyc is super needy too.and in the past id never paid attention. today ukrainian girl seemed uneedy and abit grouchy cause she has the flu and im far away and wtf i mean i cant be fucking needy.when i feel needy i get upset and give love to my chihuahua or im super cool w friends.

But when i was super good i was uneedy and game was easier prizing being prize reversal role of her chasing me was smoother.here im heavyily texting not getting anywhere no meet ups bunch of mindgames more i try to get her to invest in my position is like overcompensating overconfident. so im upset that yeah i have to be the real me the cool me and screen girls better.
Zey called me up saying she was near my work and i was somewhere else she left a voicemail.later i texted her and she was like i went by your work today.lol. and as i responded she soesnt respond back to texts and is non compliant. its so stupid cause i know i dont have to deal with shit like this if my personal life is straight.my career my school and gym and nutrition.mange my time wisely. think about me first and stop being needy.its fucking upsetting that im strugling to close this older woman who is hot but all act the same pattern of 13yr olds. i want to close and i get her not responding my texts or not wanting to meet up.at this point im like fuck this shit.im fucking goodlooking i can game good if i pushed harder in daygame sets. go to gym. focus on me rather than my family.cause dude i get nightmares on dying and how old we are and how life is short man.like even healthiest man in world died of a heart attack.im be 33 and in 40 i cant be cold appraoching man.

I cant going to clubs or shit like that. inever had youth.ive always been true to my career and school and family behave and act and marry who they wanted me to. ofcourse i have to be passive aggressive with them cause i live here but give little not all my time.when im about to die in accident or old age or whenever i dont want to blame my parents or make excuses. i want to say thank you God for everything and thats it...

result of phone consult with Sinn. goodbye of goodbyes.

so he said he isnt going to work with me ever again.
cause he hates me.

I felt more compassion than what he said, I think after he vented.

I feel that Im headed into the right direction.


I'm actually getting good just hat he told me rent a hotel for the date, or go to the beach or a place or close them on the beach.

I feel that he was hesistant to teach me any of that due to his insecurity.
I feel that he isnt intuitive, he has more expreince but he isnt intuitive.
intutive is reading the perceptions.

The kept saying you arent a mind reader stop that shit.

but swinggcatts thinker thinks what prover proves really does it for me...
I think being infield intuitive made me better at game.

Jon is more a guy who is proactive and experience than infiel intuition.
he cant really tell with his senses.

So as long as Im infield intuitive Im safe, I have to keep going.

at least to do it for myself.

thank you jon for your help.

I think I can take it from here..... : )

101s YES!! Emotional 1-0-1s

Here is the 101 Primer document that I promised. Feel free to discuss this,
suggest improvements, other examples, make comments, etc.

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The 101 Primer - The Core Framework of Seduction

I was inspired to write this document because of the confusions surrounding
the two kinds of SOIs and because some people out there didn't understand
the 101 theory correctly when I originally posted bits and pieces of it on
ASF. It has been because I didn't understand it fully at the time unlike I
do now. For that reason, here is a detailed explanation that will do away
with the old terminology and replace it with something that can actually be
taught in a logical, thought out process without the confusion.

WHY 101?

I came up with 101 after a burnt-out alcohol filled intensive PU session at
night on a train to Tokyo when my mind got a direct link to my subconscious.
It was there that I not only found God, but also how to seduce women should
the 101 plan be done correctly and completely. I don't care if you don't
believe me on that one and if it wrecks my credibility wih you. After all, I
saw God and you didn't.
Besides, God is the creator of all life. If we want to create life (hint
hint!) we have to understand it.

101 can be broken down into the numbers 0 and 1. 0 representing negative. 1
representing positive. I'll represent emotions with their numbers from now
on in brackets for the rest of this document.

Similarly, if you think of computers, you will know that the transistors
inside their chips only understand light-on (1), or light-off (0).
Similarly, if you think of the first chapter of the Bible, you will know
that God separated darkness and light. You will also be aware, that if you
consider the ancient Chinese Yin-Yang symbol, that it contains a dark side
and a white side. Many similar ancient and religious stories and such that
speak of creation consume themselves by discussing these opposites as
somehow being able to exit together in a kind of ordered chaos (how's that
for a contradiction?). Also, there is the old saying that humans cannot
appreciate good feelings, without feeling bad feelings - and similarly
cannot revile bad things without good things.

Going back to the Yin-yang symbol, one side is white or good (1) and the
other side is dark and evil (0). Together, they make a circle. The circle
represents a sense of completeness or enlightenment or infinity. Which, if
one applies oneself to the search for enlightenment, is essentially a good
thing (1).
Note the seeming contradiction here - that is, good and bad together is
actually still good (which begs the question, is bad REALLY bad at all?)

In this way, we have 101. That is to say that in life there is good, there
is evil, but all in all life is a positive experience. 101 is the basics of
whatever follows in life. (Such as you will notice that the first subject of
a university topic is called something-or-other 101). And for some reason,
Jewish people really like this number. The Isreali army $B!G (Bs top crack
commando unit is numbered 101, and unit 101 makes an appearance in "Saving
Private Ryan". Maybe that's just chance or coincidence.... or maybe I'm
starting to see 101 everywhere anyway.

101 AND SEDUCTION THEORY

Before I lose some of you completely, let's now move away from the
spiritual/philosophical aspect and start applying this to seduction theory.
Let's not also forget that as students of seduction, we try to use logical
structure to create emotion. This too is a contradiction in terms (logic vs.
emotion) - but with 101 we have a plan to merge the two together into
something workable.

As most students of seduction are aware, the conscious mind can be bypassed
through telling stories - because stories are fiction and therefore not
limited to reality. Once the listener is placed in this state of "anything
goes", the storyteller can insert all kinds of emotion into his/her target
audience without resistance. Stories also follow a typical plan. That is,
(1) beginning, (0) a middle, and (1) and ending. The beginning is the time
in the story where everything is good and normal (1). Slowly as the story
progresses, there is a problem that becomes apparent, which results in the
climatic point of the
story (0). Eventually as the climax subsides, the story winds its way
towards conclusion - when things are explained, and the ending is either a
happy one, or a good one with a different situation than the story started
out as (1).

Both 1 and 0 create a contradiction - and a MYSTERY. Confusing women like
this makes them curious and wanting to know more. When you give them a plan
of action (1) to solve the mystery (10) - they are coerced into doing
whatever it is you really want them to do. Throughout the period of mystery,
however, your intentions are mostly obscure to the female - thus giving her
a task to complete (usually something that you want her to do anyway) to get
what she wants, which is what you are offering (which, if you want to leave
a bad taste in her mouth, you don't have to give).

101, in this way, is pure manipulation. It works as an effective "double
bind" to influence people. Let me point out that I'd rather not have to use
mind-control to get women. Instead, I'd rather install good feelings into
them, and let them work on it. However, not all women are going to be like
this, thus we have a need for 101.
101, however, is only manipulation in so far as it is a contract of conduct
between two people ? as I will be showing later on. In this sense, 101
isn $B!G (B
t really bad manipulation at all, because people use contracts all the time
to do business together. 101 is about gentle persuasion to get women to do
what they really want to do anyway ? in a safe environment.

USING 101 PRACTICALLY

I find that 101 can be used in many different ways during the course of
seduction. Three common ones spring to mind (but there are many others)

1. As a general seduction plan (e.g. Takeaways)
2. As a way to set relationship expectations
3. As a way to give a woman controlled emotional swings (flirting, NEGs,
etc)

Depending on how you use a 101 routine, the parts of each component will be
different.

101 AS A CONTRACT

Now I'm going to explain the components (and their many vairations in usage)
in detail so that you can use it to pick up women. I'm going to use the
analogy of a contract in order to explain 101. 101 IS a sales contract (in
an extreme seduction sense: think "marriage", because it is a logical plan
to make two people safe in being able to express their otherwise"illogical"
and uncontrollable feelings (note the contradiction). In each of the parts,
you can use NLP or some other kind of languaging skill to speak to her
emotionally. Also, I'm sure you will find many other pick-up techniques will
fit in nicely into the framework.

Also, pay particular note to the presuppositions that 101 makes. There are
very important, and will be explained first, followed by ways each part of
101 can be used.

1 - THE PRODUCT PRESENTATION.

Presuppositions are:-
* You display value to the chick. You really want her to have it. It is what
is motivating you to approach. (patterning, incredible connections, lofty
talk about bullshit you promise to do for her)
* Your real intentions are made vague (e.g. like MTLs "get with you"
comment) so that the chick can find her own value from this (be it sexual or
otherwise). All bases are covered this way.
* Your intentions are made doubly vague by making your real intentions seem
like hers. (when they are not). See mirroring, eliciting and feeding back
values etc. Being the man she wants to fuck, being the product she wants to
buy etc.
* You swing her emotions positively

Other techniques:-
- Show of interest (SOI) - Can either be through complimenting, or asking a
woman about something that you find particularly interesting about her. etc.
This is done genuinely (of course) and will require some observation on your
part to figure out exactly how to do this. If the woman is ugly, you
probably won't be able to find something to ask about anyway.
- Statement of Intentions - You tell her that your only intentions are to
make her happy in the ways that she likes. Well this is somewhat true
because it is a good thing to make people happy, but not 100% true either
(because we want sex» as well). Meanwhile, your REAL intentions come later on
in the third part. The "noble" intentions told here are to build value.
- Story telling, and entertaining of some variety.
- Mirroring. Things in common (You want the same things as her - so you say)
- Building value - Presenting a situation to a woman that you know she would
enjoy (The rich and famous have this part easy)
- Creating a good first impression.
- Pre-supposing is key here, as she has not bought anything or received
anything from you yet. You need to create the image in her head, and be able
to back up claims that you can actually do these things you promise for her.
She needs to believe that you will deliver.
- Positive emotional swing
- Getting her to say "yes, yes" immediately
- Getting the chick to promise you things from the value you gave (giving
you a rule and a mental weapon to use against her in the next part). An
example by Rock Harders: After displaying value, he would get the woman to
agree that she liked him and had a good time talking with him. She would
then have to continue to agree with this so she would have no excuses about
coming out to see him when he called her up ? because she said she liked
talking to him.
- Describe this to her emotionally, and dramatically
- Should this part be missing, you will not attract the woman to you at all.

0 - TERMS & CONDITIONS OF SERVICE. END USER LICENCE AGREEMENT.

Presuppositions are:
* You lay down the rules of interaction, and back up the rules with logic,
reason, and your own CONGRUENCE.
* You make her feel guilty - on her own accord for breaking your rules. This
guilt will give her no room to move or fight back with you. She recognizes
that she is wrong, and that it is all her fault (very important).
* You stand by your rules, no matter what (congruence)
* You swing her emotions negatively

Other techniques:-
- Your rules. This includes expected behavior from both you and her. Let's
remember, your word is law. Your rules come #1 in your life above any woman.
You need to be able to enforce your own rules and terms and conditions
despite anything that she does. Your rules must follow logical argument and
leave no room for emotional responses. They must be followed, IF you are to
continue to feel comfortable about giving of yourself to her. What rules to
have is worthy of another separate post.
- This is your appeal to her nobler motives (That is, a good moral
explanation of why she should respond to your 101 at all) - and a way to
avoid future arguments (cause you have the good reason). Tell a story about
your own mistakes in order to highlight your noble motives - if need be.
- Do NOT let this part get heated or turn into an argument (should you be
laying down rules of conduct) - or you will kill the seduction at this
point. Rational logic (and stories about how your logic is right) will
prevail here only. Insults will not.
- Defaulting the chick. Find some reason (logically preferably) which
explains to the chick that she has thrown away her chance to get more of the
value you were offering. This can often be explained verbally - or even done
at random with body language to throw the chick off and make her
self-conscious - all by herself.
- Negative emotional swing
- Display being busy, occupied, hard to tie down, be controlled, or limited
to one chick (social proof)
- Demand respect
- Showing a willingness to walk
- Throw down a challenge
- Make her feel that she is wrong - all by herself. Indirectly call
attention to her mistakes.
- Describe this to her logically.
- Should this part be missing, you will allow the chick the opportunity to
walk all over you.

1 - SIGN ON THE DOTTED LINE

Presuppositions are:
* You tell her what to do.
* You make this part seem as if the thing you want her to do now, is not
really what you want for yourself (See the first 1), ....but in actual fact
it is!
* You leverage her guilt.
* You dangle a positive emotional swing in front of her.

Other techniques:-
- To provide her with a suitable solution to the contradictions of the 1 and
0, in case she can't figure out what to do about it. Make it sound fun and
enjoyable.
- Your real intentions revealed in a disguise here. You get her to do an
activity which is beneficial for you, under the pretense that it's not what
you really want (Remember, the nobler motives) when it is. See the SOI used
as a bluff in the first part. Pay particular note to the set up that goes
into this.
- Complete a ritual to make sense of the two conflicting emotions.
- Hold a positive emotional swing in front of her.
- Get her to prove herself to you, if you are to give her what she wants.
- Describe it to her emotionally
- Find a solution for her to get with you in the way you specified (perhaps
she is in a club with friends). Make it easy for her to buy.
- Allow her to save face here - by doing what you suggested.
- Use future pacing. Get her to think about how happy she will be after she
makes the decision.
- Make it appear like it was her idea, and it is in her interests.
- Ask her about her thoughts on doing what you suggest, and if she has
anything to add to it.
- Should this part be missing, you will probably not advance the seduction
at all.

These are, in a nutshell, the basics of generating your own seduction
patterns to chicks.As you can see, it contains an emotional swing. Women
particularly enjoy having emotional swings - so with 101, you can plan on
making one. 101 can be used in many different ways, either in patterning, or
in the context of a seduction.
You can also see very easily how the plan would fall to pieces if one of the
steps were to be missing.

DETECTING AND COMBATING 101 AND OTHER KINDS OF MANIPULATION

Detecting 101 is actually quite difficult - unless you know what to look
for. Difficult because people have a natural tendency to avoid those people
who are selfish and wanting to use us - and if those people are doing this
in an obvious fashion - we avoid them. 101 is different however, because we
are GIVING our targets things they want. When someone is apparently giving
things to us, we cannot even slightly consider that they are being selfish -
and it slips under the radar. Suddenly, the target learns that she will have
to pay for it to keep it, and that is her responsibility, then the tables
are turned. She leads herself into believing that she is in the wrong, and
we become totally innocent. At all times, we have to consider the motives of
those people we trust doing things for us. Indeed, those who GIVE are
greater than those who receive. Putting people in debt to you gives you a
lot of power.

On that note, here's how women can use 101 to seduce us men:

1 - First, women build their sexual value (a bit obvious, right?) through
appearance - or by approaching us and suggesting to us that they really want
to have sex». All the while, confusing men into believing that she wants sex»
as much as men do ? without actually saying it.
0 - Then, by accusing the men she attracts of doing something supposedly bad
(e.g. perving, looking at other women, not paying her enough attention,
accusing us of being players, going out with male friends, perving, some
other kind of nonsense that PUAs will easily dismiss), she can turn the
tables in her favour. Some bitches will simply treat men like shit and not
accuse men verbally.
1 - When she has induced enough guilt in her target male, she can start
demanding committed relationships and all the stuff that she REALLY wants.

As you can see however, that if detected, destroying a 101 double-bind is
easy if you pull one of the components out of it. Now, pulling apart a
female seduction plan will ensure that you never get rejected or
manipulated ? but if you fail to build your own 101 plan too, you will not
get laid. Let's look at how to rip apart a woman's seduction plan:

1 - If a person rejects the value presented them. (e.g. NEG theory,
insulting the woman, showing negative interest in her)
0 - Attacks the logic or reasoning behind the challenge (dealing with her
shit tests effectively)
1 - Or by refusing to carry out the solution, or carrying out a solution
different to the one intended (Refusing to supplicate)

Similarly, your seduction can fall apart if a woman:-

1 ? Rejects the value you are presenting her (because you failed to elicit
her true values and/or put her in a state which lets her feel this value)
0 ? Rejects the rules of interaction you have (Because you failed to present
a challenge to her, gain respect, explain your rules properly, or she has
found a crack in your congruency to keep your own rules)
1 ? Rejects the things you want her to do (because you failed to convince
her that they were in her interests)

TIPS FOR USING 101s AS OPENERS.

Here's a few tips on using 101 as openers. Pay attention to the fact that
sex» is not a value that most women look for - and therefore it is not one
that we can use in the first 1 of 101 (E.g. "I will fuck you hard" as an
opening line). Saying that risks us getting slapped. The exception to this
of course is a seductress who takes you for a sucker and will try to play
you herself (as in the female seduction example) - only to get played by you
anyway! Sex» is NOT a mutual experience to a woman because she has a lot to
lose if she gets pregnant. I find that good SOIs tend to be vague enough to
be interpreted sexually and non-sexually. Saying things like "I'd like to
take you home" or "I want to get to know you on an... intimate... level" or
"I want to make you....very... happy" will cover both bases and attract a
wider range of chicks (in my experience)

Also, try not to SOI or build value in ways you cannot possibly bring to
realization later on. If the value you build is too unrealistic (e.g. I want
to buy you a Ferrari, get married to you), she won't believe you - and if
she does and you don't deliver later on - you'll have a really pissed off
woman to deal with.

After this, once you have achieved good rapport with a woman after building
significant value, is to break rapport and default her behaviour ? using
whatever logical reason you can. Here you can lay down your rules of
conduct, tell stories about why you have rules of conduct, and educate her
in following them.

Then, once you have got her into a guilt trip, you can give her ways to save
face. One way will be to go out with you or do something else.

Note:- Ignoring a woman, walking away, or telling her to go away is NOT part
of 101 AT ALL.
Ignoring a woman gives her zero emotional swing whatsoever ? unless you have
displayed SIGNIFICANT value, which you know she will do anything to keep.
Persistence is key to getting any chick. Only AFTER you have had sex» and
continued to display significant value to woman ? that ignoring a woman
completely EVER becomes a technique.

EXAMPLES OF 101s IN ACTION

Here are some examples of 101 in action:-

1 - Build rapport and value with a woman.
0 - Accuse her of something which you don't like, in a rational manner,
until she believes that it's her fault. (e.g. not coming to see you, not
calling you up enough etc.)
1 - Tell her that she has to make it up to you by doing exactly what you
want - if you are to give her the value you gave her before.
(This is otherwise known as a takeaway)

1 - Tell the woman that you like her hair
0 - Tell her it's out of step with the style these days.
1 - Tell her it looks nice anyway
(This is otherwise known as a Neg)

1 - Use a blatantly sexual PU line
0 - Say you were just kidding, and get to know her a bit better.
1 - Use another blatantly sexual PU line.
(The direct and powerful PU style of Grand Master Flash. Note how value is
built with sex», real intent is disguised as a joke, and the challenge for
her is to have a sense of humour and allow him to bombard her with sexual
feelings)

1 - "You look like the sort of person that I'd like to make very happy"
0 - "But I could be very wrong about you, because I just met you. I
don $B!G (Bt
know if you are the kind of person who likes adventure or intense emotional
experiences."
1 - "So how about we meet over there for coffee so we can find out if we
could really like each other?"
(Simple PU opening to entice a woman to coffee)

1 - Remind woman of all the good things you have done for her.
0 - Tell her that she has messed up by doing whatever it was that annoyed
you, and that she will have to suffer the consequences.
1 - Tell her that if she wants to be back in your good graces, she's going
to have to have sex» with you in exactly the way you want.
(Dealing with women you are with, who are giving you a hard time)

1 - "I like your foreign accent
0 - It will probably annoy the hell out of me after a while
1 - But it's kinda cute"
(Some playful flirting. This 101 is tried and tested ? and works)

1 - I want to do anything sexual you'll like
0 - But I this is my job, and you have to respect that. These are my rules.
1 - I need $100 a half hour to see if you want nookie.
(How a prostitute could use 101. Note also, that women have to offer sex»
upfront in order to build value with men before they can lay down rules and
conditions - or even attempt to pull off a 101. Be warned then, of women who
talk about sex» to you too early after you meet them)

1 - Woman dresses up sexy in a bar
0 - Woman gets angry when guys hit on her
1 - Woman demands that she be treated right by men and shown a good time
(Typical female instincts. By using sex» to build value, laying down rules to
enduce men into guilt, and finally by using that guilt to tell men what they
should be doing - which just happens to be what she wanted them to do for
her all along.)

1 - I really like you
0 - However, I don't want to fuck you (chick feels sting of rejection)
1 - I want to make love to you
(I saw this in a film called "Some Girl". A PUA picks up this chick and uses
these lines to lay her. I was thrown back when I heard it, cause it was pure
101. Note that the strength of it comes in the fact that women like to hear
"make love" (unselfish male) rather than "fuck" (selfish male) - but the
emotional swings are still present - which makes the final 1 all that more
powerful when it is said.)

1 - Give value. Compliment women. Invite her somewhere.
0 - Suddenly, with no warning given, look at her funny, and back off from
her as if she has some disease. (Made the women get self-concious)
1 - Mention that you would like her to come to (wherever you want to go),
but you are not sure if she's the right person for it - but you'll still
invite her anyway
(A style of PU I learnt from a PUA on Guam. He made the women feel very good
and then suddenly very bad all on their own accord - and they didn't hate
him for it at all - because they believed that they were at fault. He used
the guilt as leverage to get chicks to go out with him)

There are also ways to use 101 outside the field of seduction too, such as
in business or simply as ways to be poetic:

1 - Christ was born
0 - Christ died
1 - Christ will come again
(It's kept Christians in hope for all these years)

1 ? Telling people that God really loves you, and that you can go to heaven
0 ? Telling them that there are rules for this, and that they must be
followed or risk eternal damnation
1 ? Telling them to sustain the organization financially, do some ridiculous
ritual, or commit terror attacks, is their only key to paradise.
(How organized religion can be used to manipulate people)

1 - I love you
0 - I'll kill you
1 - But I'll love you forever
(Using 101 to create emotional swings. This is actually a line from a music
track by Enigma. Imagine saying that to a chick!)

1- These knives we sell will never go blunt on you Mrs. Jones, and that
saves you time and money.
0 - But they're probably way too expensive for you to buy upfront
1 - So, let me show you here just how you can spend only 2 cents a day over
a period of 3 months to pay for them.
(A mock sales pitch)

1 - I really wanted to take you to the fair today Jimmy
0 - But since you didn't eat your vegetables, which are good for you, so I'm
not going to take you.
1 - So now, I'm only going to consider taking you if you clean your room.
(Parenting)

1 - That's a pretty dress you are wearing this morning, and you are a very
attractive young woman.
0 - Now, don't get stuck up. I just said that to make you feel good.
1- From now on, I wish you to be a little bit more careful with your
punctuation
(An actual use of 101 as told in Part 4 Chapter 1 of "How to Win Friends and
Influence People". The principle of the chapter was to "Begin with praise
and honest appreciation" - i.e. the first 1 of 101.)

DELIVERING & STACKING 101s

At times when you are using 101 to lay down some rules to a chick, or
patterning a woman, be serious. Use deep tonality.
At other times, when you are using 101s to create value to a chick (e.g.
101s in storytelling, or flirting) then you can swing your own emotions
around as much as you want.

Sorry if this sounds confusing, but I find it interesting to note how 101s
can be stacked inside other 101s. Eg. Using 101s in story telling (to get
emotional swings) as the first 1 in an overall 101 seduction plan.

FINAL WARNING

Be warned to not use 101 recklessly. 101s can be abused to the point where
you can severely mess with a chick $B!G (Bs head. This is very easy to do if
you
are primarily using 101s as emotional swings. If you overdo this, you can
crosswire her emotions totally and drive her nuts.

You can also come up with all sorts of silly rules for the woman to follow
if you have displayed enough value (e.g. You will have to learn how to quack
like a duck if you ever want me to be nice to you ever again). Once you have
got a deep emotional connection with a woman, use your common sense and DON
$B!G (BT abuse it. Sure it may be fun for a while, but treating a woman badly
for
no reason will take its toll on YOUR conscience ? and then you will have to
re-evaluate what you are really looking for in your relationships with
women, and what you really want them to do for you.

Also, remember that by having illogical rules (that cannot be defended
rationally), or rules that most people will object to ? you may run the risk
of being challenged by other men (or other women who are getting a better
deal). This can severely affect your social reputation in a negative way ?
hence this warning.

so update that Yoyi ended up fail. and I proceed with zey

so after my date things went bad and I admit I fucked up in the follow up but Im concerned that she might have issues and Im not screening.
Mark and Tripp say NEXT or FLUSH.
Jesse says to keep on..I disagree with him abit but that is his style of game.

I ofcourse go for sex, my game is fluid.CAMALEON game.rapport.build commonality as you relate to people.I think Mike Lee's prgram is the best at this.


I also have to calibrate deep comfort.
sometimes its too much and I have to admit that it may not work for LSE types.

I will try to come up with money to work and cover costs,

I have to review my call with mark last year when I was basing my life with career descicions he gave me great advice.

so I spoke with Zey and we agreed to meet up soon, she semi qualified me as mature adult to be able to hook up and meet up.

she has an iphone and thats cool.

she ahs issues too and I hope I can help her with that ;)

I think yoyi issue had to do with calibration.
I might talk with Jon or Franco.

Jesse insists on keep going for it but Im not prepared to compete with other older men with money.
I have to work on my frame so that Im not provider type.

9 10 game audio by Mr.M and Braddock is really good when women try to put you in a category.

I think its over with her eventhough some say she might sreach out depends on 3 days or 3 weeks.

Zey is next up to bat.
I might start doing online stuff as Im planning for 1st date set up.

I have the party coming up soon. so It would have been great to have Jon help me but I will review Franco's comments.

I have to go socialize, I might start strip club game again just to feel good again and work on my eye contact.

Artisan is good but too much money on coaching I have to atleast lay some bitches.

this month of Febrauary is to deal with cuban woman dry spell.
so I have to close.

I also started working out again HOO RAY~

FR:My first mini date and cuban woman makeout..bold comments by LA Tripp

well I wanted to post this.

I found easier to game women who are bitchy cause I can overcome with dominance and reframed shit test to qualifiers.
that caused attraction.

So after various texts and running comfort with cocky funny.

I got a meet up.

so we were supposed to meetup days agao and now it was tonight at 10 pm.
all places are closed at 11pm she gets off at 10pm, she asks to shower and I say yes.

I go to the place to meet up
wait there spend money on wine and food and leave at 11pm.
pissed off
then I realized how my mind was telling me, flakes are normal.and whatever dont react.

then I get a call from her I tell her Im leaving.
she gets a bit hesistant not wanting to lose me.
so we met at the plarking lot of the place.

as soon as I saw her I hug her and spank her but and kiss her in the mouth.

I lock in and we talk outside.
Im calibrating her BT and run SNL frames.
PS: I did fuck up on the non judgemental and discrete on two people have ssex is nobodys business. also I forgot to tell her how sex is important in a relationship.
which fucked me up.
but anyways

We talk and she disqualifes me.
I answer and cF her mostly frmae control ala Mickey rourke in nine and half weeks.

we make out again no resistance.then when I tried to timebridge her she doesnt feel comfortable.
I tried running deep comfort nonverbal sexual eye contact, cold reading,and CF all at same time.

she kept laughin and she told me if I was psychic and we kept kissing.
an hour past and I tried to timebridge her and she said it was too late and that we could get together monday night.

I felt like I didnt want to seperate from her, but I did that and pulled back to make her want it more.

I see she is trying to run courtship game and I have to frame control, theres the issue with my PS note.
anyways , we leave I get home and get a text from her.

its her and she says that she wanted to make sure I got home so that she can sleep well, I responded and told her sweet dreams and she told me to dream with her.


Personal NOTES:
Logistics was fucked.this happens not having a place. next time rent a place if you have to to close her on Monday.

NEXT: SNL frames and talk about sex.also arousal and some dirty talk.
build more sexual tension and let go.

another thing is game other girls.
review sexual arousal in SNL course and BRADP.
plan an action for closing,romantic dinner cheap and place.

be prepared to run some game to purposely make her miss you.
be prepared to lose the set.you much act a bit more dominant.
you lead the sexual escalation.

remember's FRANCO rule.

her history:
Divorced 3 times and has an 18 yr old daughter.

plan for the pull.



hey Tripp,

I had my first mini date and makeout with a miami cuban woman.
I tried to pull her but logistics was fucked.wanted feedback.

we set up a date for 10pm, she text she will be late to take a shower. I end up waiting at a wine bar and at 11pm it closes, I leave.
Her taking a shower ahead of time, even though late, is a good thing.
she calls as Im leaving asking where I was that she was on her way.
I told her I was leaving (calm way), she freaked out (fear of loss), we meet up at parking lot.
minutes later I get there and call her to tell her to get out of the car and stop acting like an FBI agent.
All good so far.
she gets off and we hug and makeout, I spank her and we talk in the parking lot.
Your first time meeting her and you're making out already?
I try to timebridge somewhere else but in miami everything is closes at 10pm
10? Damn. I thought L.A. was early closing at 2am. Things here close at 3am. I can't believe in Miami things close that early. Miami! Wow.

unless its south beach which is 30 minute drive.and she was tired from work didnt want that.I suggested lets go in my truck and have a late night snack of ice cream ben and jerry's store nearby , she gets nervous on the suggestion and I pull back we talk more
You did good here.
,ran CF, deep comfort then more kissing and touching and making out, and run a bunch of cold reads,
I don't know what you did for comfort, but everything else you're listing is building attraction, which is good.
she thinks Im psychic and tells me why I know about her so much...I throw in the mickey rourke line "cause I see myself in you" with a sensual way of telling her. she is dogie bowl dinner look we make out ,I try to bounce her again,she tells me she was married 3 time and has a 18 yr old daughter at home.She tells me she is attracted to me and kisses me and tells me she has to go, we kiss again and we walk away to our cars.
Here's one thing . . . when you're making out, don't be so quick to bounce. Keep making out more and more. Make out until she just starts getting HUNGRY for you, till she starts trying to devour you with her mouth, wanting to rip your clothes off, shoving her hand down your pants and verbally saying she HAS to have you. When you get to that point, it no longer matters where you go. She's gonna fuck you almost anywhere.

she tells me she has 2 jobs and works doing taxes at HR Block and works almost everyday so we set up a date for monday night 8pm.
If she does taxes, that's believable.

I get home and I get a text from her saying to text her to make sure i arrived safe so she can sleep well,
THAT is excellent. She's concerned already. She's thinking about you. She's also thinking about LTR, possibly.
I text her "yes Im fine, sweet dreams babe"
You did good.
she responds "sweetd reams to you too, hope you dream with me"
Nice.

this afternoon to follow up cause I felt it was deep comfort connection when we were with each other.

I test ping her with "Im sure as you woke up this morning, you had a smile in your face ;) "

she didnt respond but Im sure she is busy. Im not sending her anymore texts until she recontacts or make her miss me more.
Good, don't. Nothing wrong with your text this morning to her. The balls in her court to respond now.

im planning monday if I meet up take her to the beach take some wine and make out and talk and I will try to pull her in the truck, also if not I will try to get a room close by ahead of time and have her join me for a bit and suposedly kick her out.

she gets ASD when I try to even timebridge , so I think I might have to plan something more solid pull to close.
she wants sex and was tonguing me down aggressively than I was but her logic kicks in, only way I have managed is like Mysetery said go sexual in the seduction location.

I think she is logically want ting me to court her as Ive been initiating text and her responding mostly, other than that she doesnt intitiate which is rare but its her courtship mentality, so I plan to tell her that" I like a woman who goes with her emotions and takes action...a woman that feels a certain way and knows we trust we each other that she can know how to take care of her man" like a qualfier.
So you haven't qualified her? You haven't given her any of your specifications that she should strive to live up to?

so there it is man.

I have to game other girls,

Im stepping back the other woman who has 2 kids and ex husband deal until my game inproves more after I pull to be more consistent.

the 20 year old I will number close next week tuesday but then again valentines day :( cause she has a bf but I dont care, I know Im better than her BF.
I know I can pull her into me cause I have high social value established and my game is gettign better.
With all of these girls, though, you need to make sure you're not destroying a relationship or pulling in a girl and misleading her if you're not wanting an actual relationship. If you're just wanting to hit and quit, don't mislead them into believing you're looking for something long term.

Cool

shelley 's avoid doing what to women?

From Shelley McMurtry...
"The woman on your side"

I want to tell you a story.... I'm writing this because I just got off the phone with a distraught man in his later 40's, named Samuel. He called me crying... literally. Supposedly he met a woman about 4 months ago named Christy. At first he thought Christy was everything he always wanted in a woman... He thought she was caring, affectionate, and loving... She is an elementary school teacher, very personable, tall, with long blonde hair, and attractive.

Samuel has fallen head-over-heels for Christy... but today she called him, out of the blue, and told him that she no longer wants to see him and has found someone new. Samuel couldn't believe it... They had seen each other just two nights ago and everything was great & they had plans tonight. Samuel pried and tried to find out what was wrong-- if he had done something he wasn't aware of.

Do you desire this and want to avoid this ???

Then keep reading...

Christy proceeded to tell Samuel that she had lost attraction and interest in him, and that she found a man she was highly attracted to. She said that she has more in common with the new man, and that she "needed something new".
As Samuel cried, telling me through his sobbing tears about how wonderful this woman is for him (even though she's obviously not), he started telling me about all of the nice, friendly things he had done for her. One of the first things he mentioned was that last weekend he returned a pair of shoes for her. Okay, now number one, he shouldn't have been returning shoes for her, but the fact that she had shoes she wanted to return got my attention first and foremost...

"Why did she want to return these shoes, Samuel?" I asked.

This is what he actually told me: "Well, she had purchased these shoes she thought she liked, wore them to work that week and realized she didn't like them and they weren't her type of shoes, so she wanted to return them but didn't have time, so I did it for her."

After hearing this I immediately asked him, "And why didn't you know right then that she would eventually return you too... sooner than later... Just like she did today???"

You see, this woman obviously has what I sometimes refer to as "refunder mentality". Someone who has "refunder mentality" has a mix of entitlement syndrome, laziness, selfishness, and scarcity mentality.... And NONE of those are good things to have-- especially in a dating partner!!

Anyone can have "refunder mentality"... a man or a woman... And women who are reading this... you need to watch for "refunder mentality" in men too!!

These are the people who are always whining about something not being right for them, always bellyaching and moaning, and simply sour, depressing people to be around.

They would rather "refund" something, return it and get it out of their life... verses put the effort or dedication into making it work or using it.

Chances are, in Christy's case, she just didn't feel like she looked good in those shoes... since they weren't her "type" of shoes after she wore them for a day... She then wanted to return USED shoes she had worn for a FULL DAY... Okay, you know what... In my book, that is nothing more than plain and simple theft.

She did the same thing to Samuel... She found someone "newer & better" (so she thinks), that she believes is more of her "type"-- and so she "returned" Samuel and told him she didn't want to date him any longer.

Being in this business, I unfortunately get to see "refunder mentality" on a daily basis... and I usually can tell, right off the bat, why the man can't meet or keep a woman.

Women don't like men with "refunder mentality"... They won't call it that or even know exactly why they aren't attracted to the man who has it... They will just sense that something about him is weak, or whiny, less than manly, or possibly even cheap.

Women aren't attracted to men who always have problems with stuff, are always negative, whining and complaining, and bellyaching... None of that describes a man who is confident, secure, lighthearted, funny, interesting, and optimistic... and those ARE the things women are attracted to.

As men, you shouldn't allow a woman in your life that constantly bellyaches, is negative, expects everything to be given to her, will use something and then return it or get a refund, or who has clear signs of entitlement syndrome. If you do allow such a woman in your life... I guarantee you that she will be "refunding" you, just like Christy did to Samuel!

I'm going to give you an example of a refund request that my assistant Meby received-- See if you can tell why this man may have a hard time meeting or keeping a woman in his life...

Meby,
I bought shelleys personal ad builder system and its seems to be too much work and not for me. I need an easier way of meeting women. Refund please.
Jacob

Okay... this one makes me laugh... As some of you know, my personal ad builder system is very direct and straightforward and comes with 2 "done for you" templates... but Jacob here is too freaking LAZY to even do something with "done for you" templates. Can you imagine him meeting a woman ANY way??? Much less, even if dumb luck allows him to meet a woman somehow... how long do you think he could keep her? Probably not long-- last I checked, going on a date takes getting off of your butt, and leaving the house, usually to do some sort of activity. I have a feeling that would probably take too much effort for our dear friend Jacob.

Here's another refund request...

Shelley/ staff:
Please refund my purchase of the 2 reports. I didn't find enough information in them. Please advise Shelley that she should put more info in her reports.
Thank you.
Victor

Okay... this is a common one my office receives. This is a perfect example of two things:

1. A bozo who looks at quantity and NOT quality or the value of the content... He likes everything in bulk, for cheap... we can tell where he shops!! And men... women don't like cheap men or bulk toilet paper that feels like it still has the bark from the tree attached to it!!

2. Someone who would prefer to say that there "wasn't enough material" or that something was wrong with the "product" instead of admitting the truth... Which is, that they're too LAZY to put it to use and make it work. The truth often is, that there is something wrong with THEM-- not the product.

I'm going to prove my point...

This is a testimonial from another man who purchased the same two reports that the bozo above refunded. Here is what he had to say...

Shelley,
Hope this gets to you. I purchased your 'talking money & sex with women' reports and they gave me a much needed insight into the female psyche. I can see my mistake clearly now, and am correcting the way I speak with women starting today. Thank you for being willing to share this stuff with us guys. Please keep it coming. I'm improved but I know I still have some work to do. Thank you for your guidance.
Hayden

Alright... Now Hayden received the same two reports that Victor received. But see, Hayden accepted the fact that he was presenting himself badly to women all along, and that he had been making a mistake. He has the confidence to admit that... and he has the ambition to change it.

Hayden is an example of a man who has confidence, is secure, willing to learn and grow, doesn't whine or complain, and truly desires to meet a great woman ( or women) and will put the effort needed into doing so.



Who do you think will find a woman first (and actually be able to sustain the attraction)... Victor or Hayden??? My money is on Hayden!

As my seasoned readers who follow my emails already know, I put a lot of time, effort, and energy into my totally FREE emails-- I deliver a lot of free material to my readers that I DON'T have to do. In a way, even though it totally annoys me, I feel sorry for the men who email my staff whining and complaining, asking for refunds... It must be hard being them. They don't want to change-- they have no ambition to. They can't see out of the very narrow, closed-in box they've placed themselves in. So, I tell Meby to take their name off of the list & ban them forever, so they can't receive the free email discussions any longer. I put far too much effort into my free email discussions (as you know if you've been reading them) to have whiners, complainers, and simply unappreciative men on my list. Men who refund are simply not part of the community that we're all a part of. If they want to whine, complain, steal, and refuse to learn and better themselves-- they can go do it in a community that stands for that. But the community I've formed here is for men & all people who really want to attract women & better themselves all around-- I want good men who want to attract good women. I have NO INTEREST in teaching men who will only hurt, use, and "refund" a woman how to attract women. Like I said, I only want to teach good men how to attract good women.

I'll share a couple of other testimonials with you, from men who are winners in my book and "go getters"...

Dearest Shelley,
Thank you for everything you have taught me. I've followed your emails and teachings with great interest and I think I've probably purchased everything you offer over the past year. About 2 months ago I met an incredible woman. Don't worry I do know she has her faults and weaknesses, like we all do. I'm not wearing rose colored glasses, thanks to you. All in all she is incredible though and things are progressing nicely. I'm very appreciative of you and that there are services available to men now that teach about attraction.
Sincerely,
Adam P. California

Hello;
My name is Charles and I'm a neurologist. I have an established practice, a nice house, and 2 nice cars, a BMW Z-3 and a Mercedes 550. None of my colleagues or old college buddies could understand why I couldn't attract a woman. They looked at me with envy for having brains, nice cars, a house, and an established practice and career. They figured women would be knocking at my door. The truth was, I was nothing more than a dork with no personality. I didn't feel worthy of a woman. The personality I did have I could in no way demonstrate to a woman. My stomach would knot up, my palms would sweat, and I even broke out in hives once speaking to a woman! I was a mess around women. Your personal ad builder system helped me to initially meet women, without the hives, sweaty palms, or fear... and everything else you've taught me helped me to build and sustain attraction once I met these women in public. I'm currently seeing 2 women on a regular basis and continuing to meet additional women. Thank you, you turned this 42 year old dorky neurologist into a great catch!
Fondly,
Charles

That's great Charles & Adam! I'm proud of both of you!! To all of you men who are active, ambitious readers and are working hard to improve yourselves for women... I greatly appreciate you and YOU are why I put so much effort and time into my free email discussions. I have a great deal of new material coming out and fresh emails and reports-- so watch out for upcoming emails!

And... watch out for women with "refunder mentality"-- you don't want to end up shocked and heartbroken like Samuel did.

These are important questions to always ask yourself when you're reading something or trying to learn, and you want to make sure that the women you date also think this way:

"What can I learn from this?"
"How can I make this work for me?"
"What lesson can be taken from this?"
"What do I need to learn from this point, going forward?"

And if you do find something you've purchased to be a HUGE mistake and can't find any good in it-- then ask yourself:
"What mistake have I learned?"



When you ask yourself that, right there, you've gotten your moneys worth!

What do women want??? Remember... interesting, enlightened, charismatic, fun, secure, confident, personable, manly men.

What do women NOT want??? Whining, complaining, bellyaching, weak, prissy boys, that are less than manly men.

Make good things happen now.

Your friend & the woman on your side,

Shelley

Shelley McMurtry
First in Her Mind Dating System

Sinn talks Baiting and BHRR

Baiting is the art of enticing a woman to escalate the interaction, physically, verbally and sexually. We want to bait the girl to escalate as much as we possibly can. But there is a difference between baiting and playing hard to get. This is what most guys don’t understand. You have to continue to demonstrate interest even as you bait a girl to escalate the interaction. In fact you can use baiting as a way to get the girl to qualify herself and even as a way of touching you and moving in physically early on.

The first way that we want to bait is by physically advancing and retreating. Around the Dallas crew we call this the Captain Jack special move. El Topo first noticed it and he did it in an exaggerated way while leaning back too much. This of course led to us making fun of him until he told CJ that he learned it from watching him. What you do is you lean in to whisper something in the girl’s ear preferably a teasing comment like “ You’re trouble” Then you rock back and cover your mouth as if what you said just really cracked you up and you’re laughing at her. If you do this right, it results in the girl laughing and touching you on the arm. Every time. What you’re doing is by going into and out of her personal space and teasing her at the same time the attraction gets magnified and she feels the need to chase you. It’s the essence of a physical push pull routine, all of which can be considered baits.

You can verbally bait women in a variety of ways. Open loops are the most well known of these tactics. Open loops are simply unfinished thoughts or stories. They work because they evoke curiosity. Our minds are designed to have closure once we invest our time in a story or thought. If we’re listening we want to know how it ends. I can remember coming back from London and watching the movie “ The Devil wears Prada”. Maybe you saw previews, Meryl Strep plays a Cruella Deville like character and a different intern shows she can be a beautiful person too… Or something like that. The plane landed about 15 minutes from the end of the movie ad for the next half an hour all I could wonder was what happened next. Did she end up with the guy, etc? Now luckily for my sanity the movie wasn’t on my On Demand when I checked later. But the point is I checked. Even though I HATED that movie I had to know what happened. This is the power of open loops. Open loops are easy to use; you can simply use a phrasal transition like “ That reminds me,” or “it’s just like when” to seamlessly start a new story leaving the other one up in the air.

Another way we can verbally bait women is through the use of ambiguity. Strippers are the best at this In fact strippers in general, are amazing at baiting. They’ll ask really ambiguous questions like “ What are you up to tonight?” And then they can lead your answers by saying things like “ Are you ready to party?” A good image to keep in mind when thinking about baiting is the idea of a stripper pulling a guy in by his tie and then pushing her out with her heels. We can be ambiguous and use phrases like “ What do you mean by that?” Anytime in comfort that you think something can be twisted to be sexual, ask what she means by that. This allows her to fill what Juggler calls the vacuum by sexually escalating. You can also bait by looking down at your crotch and waiting for her eyes to follow then asking, “ what are you looking at?” There are a million more examples but you guys get the basic idea. Being ambiguous forces her to solidify the sexual nature of the interaction.

Lastly we want to bait women sexually. This happens in the bedroom. Lots of guys forget that you can use push pull tactics in the bedroom. You can start to arouse her by kissing her neck and then pull away and say this is bad… What are you doing to me? Then go back to arousal and then pull back again. Think of it as if you really want to do this but you’re not sure she’ll respect you in the morning. Kind of like giving a girl LMR. The better your arousal skills the better this works, so make sure that you know how to make girls feel good. This has been called fractionation and is taken to the extreme with El Topo’s Kung Fu Penis stuff. Which takes end game and compliance escalation to a crazy new level. I don’t want to teach his stuff but the guys who have learned it on our bootcamps have had some CRAZY results. The idea is to use baiting and arousal to create huge amounts of sexual compliance. Baiting is a huge part of this because in KFP the girl actually asks or physically makes every physical escalation.

Baiting is one of the most crucial aspects for getting compliance and investment into the interaction. Which in my opinion are more important than attraction itself. The more you can get women to comply and invest the more they will escalate. In fact we reflect this in the new model of attraction El Topo and I have been teaching for a while now. Keep an eye out for our upcoming e-booklet on Attraction.

If you guys have any questions about any of this stuff don’t hesitate to email me, Sinnstravel@gmail.com

How to Escalate physically, build sexual tension and get dates back to your house.

Dates part 2: How to build sexual tension, escalate physically and get her back to your place.

On the last part of this mailbag , I talked about how to set up dates and what the overall vibe should be. This time we’re going to discuss how to escalate things further.
The most important thing about building sexual tension, and getting her back to your place is breaking the physical barriers early on. You need to re-establish touching as soon as you see her. When you see her you need to give her a big hug and then push her away. You want to retain the reset model of touching where you break all physical contact after every escalation. But you don’t want to waste any time in escalating the touching. You should be holding hands when you’re walking or driving to the first venue. You also want to look for random opportunities to kiss her if it didn’t feel right at the beginning.

One of my favorite ways to build sexual tension is through the use of the almost kiss. I learned this from Future and it is still my favorite way to kiss a girl. Somewhere on my date I will look at her while she’s talking I’ll say “ You know it’s really hard for me to pay attention to what you’re saying when I keep thinking about kissing you. But I know we’re not ready for that yet so I tell you what we’re going to do. We’re going to Almost kiss. Then I get them to pinky swear not kiss me and I promise not to kiss them. Then you get really close to their lips for about 2 seconds. This is great for building sexual tension because a few minutes later you can call it back and say you’re ready for another almost kiss.

Another thing you want to do to build sexual tension is alternate sexual indicators of interest with regular qualification statements and comfort frames. Dates are all about comfort so the first and foremost focus of our interaction should be on making the girl as comfortable with us as possible by letting her get to know us. B y demonstrating who we are and where we came from she gets to know us and feels more comfortable around us as she’s starting to get an idea of how you are going to act at any given time. We also need to get her to become comfortable with our touch and our indicators of interest. That means we are going to be cycling qualification and compliments into our comfort material. We need to hit on the girl a lot and demonstrate that we are attracted to her both physically and for her non-physcial attributes. Then we need to introduce sexuality. Qualification is the mchanism we use to move between comfort and seduction. This fractionating between hitting on her sexually, qualifying her and building comfort is what leads to getting laid on dates.
The nest key step in getting girls back to your place is handling logisitics. You need to have a reason to bring her back to your place. I always loan girls books at the end of the date or offer to let them come up to use the bathroom and get a glass of water if I couldn’t get them up any other way. This is where having a cool movie, a great new piece of music even a cool or different type of wine or liquor like Absinthe comes into play. We want to create plausible deniability so that she doesn’t feel guilty for coming up. It’s also important to use a false time constraint when bringing a girl home if only to make her think she can’t spend the night ☺
Lastly you need to let her know that you are interested in having sex with her. And it’s her fault for being so sexy… This is what prepping is all about. Prepping statements cimply let a woman know what you are planning to do later with her. Saying something like “ You have no idea what I’m thinking about doing to you right now.. Stop being cute. Gives both a prep and a release to keep up the tension. But you have made a sexual indicator of interest. The more of these you can do the better. This is the art of coquetting. I leraned this from all the exotic dancers I dated. You sexually pull them in then push them away and take away their sexuality with a a tease and comfort building conversations. Make sure you demonstrate interest in her and sex with her.

Now you guys know how to set up and start dates, the amount of venues to take them through, what to talk about while on a date and how to escalate, build sexual tension and get girls home with you.

Themes VS Routines by Sinn

Tuesday, March 30, 2010

Just a quick post today, to clarify a common misconception students have. I'm sure I've hammered the idea of routines being a useful but not 100% necessary tool to use for meeting women.

What I haven't explained is the next level up from that, which is the idea of themes. It is weird to have to memorize an entire 60 page badly written routine stack full of faux romantic bullshit written by a deadbeat Dad sociopath. It's also weird to have to check your routines manual of made up crap, every 3 mins because you're not sure what to talk to the girl about next.

So instead I suggest doing what I teach the guys in my programs, which is using themes.

Themes are a step above routines in that they are whole conversational subjects that can be talked about in a variety of ways. Ideally you want your themes to be things in your real life that you enjoy talking about, have some degree of knowledge about, and are conducive to a seduction.

For example the themes of Religion, Politics and the Iraqi War are probably NOT going to lead to getting a girl into bed.

However the themes of Family, Relationships with partents, Your Last Relationship, Passions, and of course Sex, help get girls into bed with the quickness.

One of the benefits of repeatedly cold approaching, is that you start to figure out what themes work really well for YOU individually and what themes don't, if you always talk to women about your traveling, or about the time your ex gf picked you up from the airport in a Lamborghini and you're NOT getting the results you want, change your themes.

JS- The King Of Content.

womanese and Seducing strangers in 6 minutes and VEGAS LR tipping point

Saturday, December 27, 2008
5 Typical things women say to men and what they mean.

Hey guys,

I often say that women give the best pick up advice, as long as you don’t listen to what they tell you to do. Women give their advice through their reactions. They also give their advice to you through what they say, you just have to know how to translate it.

So today in part one of my 3 part series on “Speaking Womanese” we’re going to look at some typical things women say when meeting new men, and what they actually mean.

1. “ I have a boyfriend”.

This particular phrase can mean a variety of things based on when and how it is brought up in the conversation. The first realization you have to make about girls telling you they have boyfriends, is that it’s not always true. Often times the girl will say she has a boyfriend just to avoid having to be rude or waste her time entertaining a guy she’s not interested in all night. Women will also say things like “we’re lesbians” or “we’re together” to get rid of you in a socially acceptable way.

If a woman tells you she has a boyfriend REALLY early on in the conversation (like in the first 3 minutes or less) she really means “I’m not interested in you romantically”. Women hate social awkwardness, so if she’s really not into the conversation and she can tell you’re hitting on her, saying she has a boyfriend is a nice friendly way out of the discomfort.

If a woman tells you she has a boyfriend when you are trying to escalate the interaction(by getting a phone number or trying to get her to leave with you) it generally means one of two things. Either she has let the interaction go further than she intended and she wants to let you know you don’t have a chance. Or she is trying to let you know that this may be a one time thing.

If a woman casually mentions a boyfriend by saying something like “my boyfriend and I” or “we like to..” then she is generally just letting you know the situation but may still be open to escalating the interaction. At which point it becomes an issue of morality outside the scope of this newsletter ☺

2. “We’re not having sex tonight!”

If a woman tells you she’s not going to have sex with you, she’s already thinking about it. Women throw up the “we’re not having sex tonight.” objection because they realize that things are starting to heat up between the two of you. They do this because they have to be able to maintain plausible deniability. Maintaining plausible deniability means that you always take responsibility for escalation. This goes for everything from making the first approach, to giving her an excuse she can tell her friends about why she left the club with you. Everything is your responsibility. The girl has to be able to explain to her friends that she wasn’t going back to your place to get fucked senseless. She was going over to save some money on drinks “or “ have a nightcap before she headed home.” But then “one thing led to another…”

So when she says “we’re not having sex tonight” she means “ I want you to convince me that there won’t be any consequences for me if I have sex with you tonight.” This is where showing a girl that you don’t kiss and tell is crucial. You have to show the girl that you are not going to hurt her reputation or lose respect for her if she sleeps with you.

If a woman tells you she’s not having sex with you tonight, you should always respond “ I was just about to tell you the same thing.” Ideally though you want to tell the girl that you’re not having sex with her first. I always treat that statement like the finish line of a race you want to get to first.


3. “ I don’t (kiss, have sex, have a threesome with midgets) on the (first night, first date, 3rd date).

When a woman gives you a rule like “ I don’t kiss on the first date.” Or “ I don’t have sex until the 3rd date.” She is sending a clear message. She is not sure about you. She doesn’t necessarily know if she sees you in her life long term or if you’re just some guy she’ll go on a couple of dates with and forget. So because of this she’s starting to lay down rules. Now some girls actually do have rules about their dating lives, but most don’t. Most women simply go with what’s bringing in the most good emotions. If she’s starting to get all logical she’s not that into you…

If a woman says something like this, it’s a great opportunity to inject some humor and flip the script on the girl. If a girl ever gives me a rule, I just respond “ Cool is that you’re only rule or do you have more before I get to tell you mine?” Now sometimes she’ll have some more rules, but once she’s done I’ll give her a ridiculous list of rules that I have until she’s laughing so hard she’s forgotten what we were talking about. The more random and funny the better. Some of my favorites are enforcing a casual dress Fridays where she’s not allowed to wear pants, reminding her that Tuesday is “Feed Jon Grapes and Fan him day” and more.

4. “ You’re a (jerk, player, asshole)

When a woman playfully insults you or accuses you of being a jerk, player, dirty old man, whatever… she’s actually saying “ I’m kinda attracted to you and I want to see if you’re really cool, or pretending.” Because men can lie, women have to have a way of figuring out which guys are actually cool, and which guys are faking it. So when you are getting attraction from girls early on, they will often “test” you.

The best way to deal with tests from women is to agree and exaggerate. What most guys do wrong is they disagree and then try to show a girl how they’re not a jerk or a player. This is bad because it sets an underlying theme of you trying to live up to her expectations instead of vice versa. So instead you always agree when a woman accuses or insults you. Then you exaggerate the comment to absurdity. So for example if a girl accuses you of being a player, you can say “ Yeah I’m actually pretty booked up right now but I can slot you in next Thursday if you promise to be good. “ or “ Yeah, I was actually recently voted the 6th biggest player in a mid major city by people magazine.”


5. “Let’s Just be Friends.”

When a girl you’ve just met tells you that she just wants to be friends, what she really means is that she’s not interested in you at all. Most people, especially attractive women don’t make friends from failed pickup attempts. The fact that she’s suggesting being friends means that she’s not interested in you romantically. Plus she’s worried that you’re expecting something more. If a girl tells you she just wants to be friends you’re pretty much out of luck. In rare circumstances you can escape the friend zone, but you are officially out of the “Ultimate Relationship Proposition” category. So if you actually do want to be friends with her(without it being part of a long term seduction plan) then continue to get her phone number and try to hang out with her. Just be sure to mention that you are only trying to be her friend, lest she suspect you’re trying to get in her pants. It also may be a good idea to hang out with her in a mixed group of your friends and her friends. This will help it feel less like a date the first couple of times you guys hang out. Female friends are a huge blessing. I highly recommend that everyone reading this makes friends with at least 5 women you’re interested in.


Ok, so that sums up what women really mean when they say things like “ we’re not having sex tonight” or “ Let’s Just Be Friends.” Next time I’m going to be breaking down how women communicate using body language, eye contact and spatial relevance.

Till next time,

S
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Can You Really Seduce A Stranger In A 6 Minutes

Hey guys,

Wanted to drop you a quick line today to talk about what's possible.

When I first got started in The Secret Underground Internet Seduction Community, I thought it was really difficult just to start a conversation with a stranger. Well 6 years later things are a little different, and I want to share this story from Vegas with everyone, not to brag, but to show you that ANYTHING is possible. Even consistent 6 minute seductions.

As many of you may know, I made the horrible decision to stay in Vegas for 4 days in between my first two 12 Months To Mastery bootcamps.(To learn why this was a bad idea check out my blog post on The Vegas Tipping point at http://sinnsofattraction.blogspot.com/2009/01/vegas-tipping-point.html ) Well Tuesday night Priest and I decided to hit the best party in town. Pure at Caesar's Palace. At Pure I did a number of approaches and nothing was going that well. Priest and I had a 2 set going but my girl was being way too ADD and she wasn't hot enough to get away with it :) So at around 2:30, I decide if we're going to keep gaming, we should be gaming at our hotel.

That's lesson number 1 for those of you looking to get laid fast! Know your logistics and keep them as favorable as possible. It's much harder to pull a girl from a club to a different hotel. If you can just go up an elevator, the pull becomes much easier.

So we head back to The Hard Rock. The Circle Bar was actually fairly lively for a Tuesday at 3 AM. There were a few sets and I start to look for girls who look bored, sexual, or like they want to trade up. Girls often settle for guys earlier in the night and then decide they don't like them later on. I want to find those girls. What I do to find these girls is make a rotation of the bar. However, you don't want it to look like you're "on the prowl" so you have to make a confused face like you're looking for a friend of yours. This is key to retaining social value.

The next part of super fast lays, is eye contact. You want to make searing, burning eye contact with as many girls as possible. Just make sure you still keep a smile on your face. You're looking for one of two responses. You want to approach girls who quickly break eye contact by looking down. This is a sign of sexual submission. Or you want to find girls who look away and then look back. There was a group of 3 hotties and as I was walking by, the blonde looked at me and then looked back as I walked by. I take an extra step, check my phone just cause I'm procrastinating and walk over.

I want to mention the next key point for super fast lays. Fashion and stereotyping. I was wearing a black pinstriped blazer with zippers all over it. Under that I had on a T-shirt I found in Australia with Sienna Miller flipping the bird topless, a pair of True Religion distressed jeans and my old school New Rocks. There's nothing spectacular about the outfit but it stands out without being weird. As usual I was the best dressed guy in the venue and the girls notice. If you don't get stared at or opened because of your fashion, you're doing something wrong. There are tons of great resources out there from style.com, to kinowear.com. There's no excuse for bad style, or not having an overall theme/stereotype to your look. Gone are the days when we can pretend fashion and presentation doesn't matter to getting laid. It does matter, and it's fully within your control.

After the eye contact I walked back over and said "hi" the girl immediately started telling me that she worked as a cocktail waitress at Treasure Island, she never goes out, and she's only here cause her brother's girlfriend (The Asian girl to her left) dragged her out. This is what's known as her qualifying herself to me off the opener. I now know she's attracted, it's 3 AM and she's with her brother's girlfriend. All signs are go, for the 10 minute lay. Then she asks me if I'm gay.

I get the gay thing once or twice a week, it's not a horrible problem as it allows me to escalate super fast. I say " I'm not gay and I'll prove it. Close your eyes." and then I kiss her. She practically sucks my face off. So I decide it's super on, and I'm gonna go for the 5 minute pull. I say " What are you guys up to right now?" She responds that they're waiting for her brother. I say "cool, shit I forgot my cigarettes upstairs. I'm gonna go get them." She starts to freak out her that I'm leaving, which is exactly what I wanted. this is a very subtle use of a take-away. Here I use it to gain emotional momentum to get her to come upstairs with me. She says " no, don't go! We'll get one down here." I say " Naw I only smoke Marlboro's, come upstairs with me to grab em. We'll be back before your brother gets here." She asks her friends if they're cool with that and away we go. Here, I just create some excuse for plausible deniability. As you can see it wasn't even that good of an excuse. But it worked.

Meet to elevator 3 minutes.

In the Elevator I ramp arousal. This is another key to quickies. I slam the girl against the wall, makeout with her and feel her up. Then as soon as we get to floor 4, I walk out of the elevator fast. This is a HUGE sexual push/pull. She gets aroused and starts to feel good and then it's gone. We get into the room and I throw her on the bed and pin her arms above her head. I go for the boobs then she says " When are you gonna fuck me? Before or after we smoke a cigarette? I laugh and we have sex. I look at the clock as I'm inside her and it's literally 6 minutes from when I checked my phone before going into the set.

I never would have imagined this was possible 6 years ago. But these situations happen to me all the time now. And they can happen to you too. The lesson to take out of this is not just controlling logistics in your favor, using eye contact to screen approaches, or ramping arousal as you're pulling. The real idea is that results like this are possible. A lot of times we read things like the "7 hour rule" or a girl tells us she doesn't sleep with guys right away and we get discouraged. The truth is seductions like this happen all over the world EVERY night of the week. It's just up to you to get out there and make it happen.

Til next time,
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Wednesday, January 14, 2009
The Vegas Tipping Point

Hey guys,


I want to talk about the Vegas Tipping Point. I'm not sure if this is an original thought or I stole it from Bill Simmons, but I believe Vegas has a shelf life of 48-72 hours. By the by I was just in vegas for 12 days. Not as bad as the several weeks I spent there back in late 05 but I digress. My cycle in Vegas goes something like this.

Thursday Night: Yeah Vegas!!!! I wanna drink, gamble, smoke cigarettes, see boobs, and eat horrible food. I also want to hit on as many girls as possible.

Friday Morning: Jesus I feel like death, oh well let's get a buffet lunch and lounge around til it's time to start drinking. Yeah Vegas!

Saturday Morning: Kill me, I can't believe I have to party for another night. Oh well I get to go home tomorrow at least.

Sunday Morning: Get me out of here so I can lay down and drink a tall glass of milk in a very dark room.

Add in the fact that I have to teach bootcamp until Sunday night and often have to stay until Mon morning and you can see why that cycle 4 times in 12 days is evil. I hit the tipping point of wanting to go home Monday morning when Entropy and Doc left. I should have gone home as well but had the genius idea to save a couple hundred bucks and stay in Vegas for 4 days rather than buy extra plane tickets. I was wrong. So very wrong. I did get a 6 minute lay with a cocktail waitress on Tues night and we made some good contacts, but I hate Vegas now. I never want to go back and I go back in 17 days...

This time though I'm flying in early Fri morning and leaving Sunday afternoon. This time I will obey the Tipping point.

My dad used to tell me Vegas was only for 24-48 hours. Now I understand why.

I really don't understand what it is, but my guess is it's a combination of lack of sleep, constant stimulation, everything bad in the world all available in one place, no nature, and 02 being pumped into you at all times.

Bad times my friends, bad times indeed.

As a final illustration of my point I'll offer Entropy's last night. We were all too tired to go clubbing, so we drank in my room instead. Myself, Priest and Entropy drank two and a half bottles of vodka and a handle of Jack Daniels. Then at 3:30 AM we decided it's a good idea to go gambling. Since I always lose at the Hard Rock where we were staying, we go to Wild Bill's across the street. I then proceed to break my "no trips to an ATM while gambling" rule lose a lot of money and drink more. We then ate nachos and potato skins. This was a "chill" night in Vegas. Entropy was still drunk when he got on a plane 3 hours later.

I stayed for 9 more days of shit like that.

S

Sinn FR: Real Life Example Of How To Avoid A Flake

Real Life Example Of How To Avoid A Flake

Hey guys,


Today I'm back with the second part of the text message/date fuck up report odyssey. Try saying that 5 times fast...

We left with me calling Miss Newsie Hat to set up the date. When I called I followed my basic phone game structure, and set up a date for drinks the next night.

So she calls me the next day and tells me that she forgot she had plans with a friend of hers who's only in town for a few days. I call her and tell her it's no big deal and we can totally reschedule. The key with handling flakes like this one is being completely unreactive, but letting the girl know you do like her and want to see her.

She then texts me:

MNH: I don't know if we are going now.

Sinn: Well if you're not I want to see you!

This is a big statement of intent! I'm letting her know I want to see her. There's a major difference between wanting to see a girl and needing a girl to feel better about yourself. I never worry about being try hard or needy, I worry about getting girls on dates.

MNH: Ok we're not gonna do it tonight.

Sinn: Ok , so you wanna collect your cookies? Or trade your cookies for an adult libation...

This is callback humor, earlier we had made a bet about what some stupid movie was about. She won. I love making bets with girls that lead to dates, no matter who wins. I learned this technique from the TV show "Seinfeld." I had bet her a batch of homemade cookies.

MNH: Yes. Let's make it cocktails. I'm not a huge cookie person.

Sinn: Cool meet me at X bar at 8:30.

This is what you have to do when setting up a date over text. You must send a direct command at some point to get her to commit.

MNH: What happened to you going to Y bar?

I had told her I was meeting other friends later that night. I did this to social proof myself so it didn't look like I would be sitting at home alone if she flaked.

Sinn: I'd rather see you. Plus if you're as cool as you seem, we might be able to do "the plan"

Again more callback humor, this refers to how I seed my date by saying I have a crazy fun plan but need an awesome girl to do it with. I also let her know I like her.

MNH: I'm definitely down for the plan but it will have to be another night. I have to take my mom to the airport really early in the morning.

Now some people would see this as a problem. I just assume it's true and that she'll stay as late as she's having fun. So I don't argue or bring too much attention to it. She ended up spending the night and leaving at 9 AM.

Sinn: Just a quick drink then...

I could have added more humor here by saying something like " WE'll see how you do after the half hour evaluation." But that's ok, sometimes you don't need to do anything except get her committed to meeting up.

MNH: Sure can we do 9?

Sinn: Sounds good, call me when you're outside X bar.

X bar happens to be in my apartment building. So instead of telling her to meet me at my place, which she could object to, I have her meet me somewhere more innocuous sounding. I also give her another instruction. The more instructions she follows the more compliance is built. The more compliance is built, the more likely she is to comply later to a bigger request like "Get on your knees.

So now she shows up. I always pretend to "forget my wallet" so we have to go back up into my apartment where she can get comfortable.

On the date I made 3 major mistakes which lead to her spending the night, but not consummating the relationship

I'll tell you guys all about the mistakes I made and how to avoid them next time.

S


PS- 2 guys got laid at the first 12 Months to Mastery Bootcamp last weekend in Vegas. Stay tuned to the list and the blog for updates on everyone in the program!

Multiple Streams of women by SINN

In the spirit of the New Year,
I want to share a really advanced
but simple technique with you today.

But first let me explain where
this technique came from.

A few years ago i was reading
a book on investing and they
said that on average millionaires
have 7 different streams of income.

This got me thinking about
Women(as almost anything does).

It was then that my theory
of multiple streams of meeting
women was borne.

In order to be extremely
successful with women,
you need to have at least
3 different ways you meet
women you're attracted to!

For example, I meet
girls through Day Game,
Acting Classes and
the internet.

You want to make sure
that you vary up your
ways you meet girls and
don't just practice different
forms of cold approach.

Hope that helps,

JS-The King Of Content

P.S To learn all about setting up Multiple
Streams of women in your life, you need
The Get Laid More Home Study Course, get it
at http://www.sinnsofattraction.com/glm/

The Psychology Behing GF Stealing by Sinn

Wednesday, February 17, 2010

Hey there,

Today I wanted to dive into a rough outline of the psychology behind wanting to steal another guy's girl. Something I see very regularly in students and then in guys when they first become instructors or start having a decent amount of success with women.

But before I delve into that, I want to first acknowledge that I have been guilty of this before and may currently be sleeping with girls who have BFs I don't know about.

This is not some soapbox post about how you should only sleep with girls who are 1000% single. Nor some diatribe against sleeping with a girl in a relationship. Or girls who cheat on their BFs. I acknowledge that in reality these things sometimes happen whether or not you want them to.

Instead I want to look at what these kinds of actions say about the guy doing them...

It's become quite common in the community for guys to brag about how they can steal girls from guys. It's almost like they are some sort of bad-ass mercenary of game. They come rolling around and you better grab on to your girlfriend's hand or she'll be blowing MR new PUA guy in the bathroom like he's Bon Jovi. And it's not limited to the Secret Underground Internet Seduction Community as during his introduction on the first episode of The Jersey Shore Mike "The Situation" talked about how if he saw himself coming into a club he'd take his girlfriend and leave. He also later pulls " The robbery" on housemate Vinny by making out with a girl after Vinny made out with her. The situation is an awesome blend of overconfidence and insecurity hence the girl stealing...

In fact there is one guru who goes so far as to even claim he can steal ANYONE'S GF in under 90 seconds...

Again, whether or not those claims are true ( And let's face it most of them aren't) what does it say about a guy (guru or not) who brags about taking another guy's GF as if that somehow makes him cooler? Furthermore what does it say about you as a person that you buy products and bootcamps based on guys bragging about stealing other guy's GFs?

Let's look at the evolution of most of these guys ( And I won't name names but I think you can all figure it out). Most of them were unpopular or even picked on during their school years ( No judgment, I was picked on too). But instead of doing what I did and looking for ways to fit in with the people who were cooler than me and get their acceptance, these guys got angry and wanted to "show" the other people how wrong they were about them.

Then they went about their lives, always wanting to get back at those mean football players and cool kids in High School. But they never really consciously saw a way to do it until...

They find The Secret Underground Internet Seduction Community, and they learn all sorts of tactics and techniques. They're exposed to posts like Tyler Durden's "Secret Society" which details how all girls cheat and you just have to show them you're in the club of guys they will cheat with. Maybe you read some books like " My Secret Garden" or " Sperm Wars" which document all sorts of crazy female sexual behavior and now you believe that with your tight game you can STEAL any girl from ANY guy, because YOU know THE SECRET!!!

Insert maniacal nerd laugh here...

I should say something here; all of this really does depend on your goals. If your goal is to have a bunch of dudes on the internet think you're cool then talking about all the GFS you steal is a good way to go about it. If you want to have a bunch of meaningless one night stands, girls in relationships are a good way to go. If you want to start a relationship with a girl who has made it obvious she cheats on her Bfs again a good way to go. If that's what you want more power to you. I just think you're a loser :)

In my experience the best way to get back at people who were mean to you or show people you are valuable, is to create an AWESOME life for yourself while letting all that stuff remain in the past. I was a nerd in high school who got rejected by every girl I asked out all 4 years... I spent almost two years with a girl who cheated on me, and I had a horrible group of friends that made me the butt of their jokes causing majorly low self esteem. But I moved on, I figured out what I wanted in my life and I moved towards that. You can do the same. You don't need to take girls away from other guys in order to validate yourself as cooler or better than anyone else.

The whole community in general would be better without this kind of stuff as would locker rooms and anywhere else guys brag about this shit..

JS- The King Of Content

The 5 Immutable Laws Of Pick Up- by Sinn interview by afc adam

Wednesday, September 10, 2008
The 5 Immutable Laws Of Pick Up

Hooray hyperbolic titles!!!

Anyway here's a bit of what i teach on bootcamps. These are things that I think come as close as possible to being 100% true when picking girls up.

1. Ignore anything which cannot help you get the girl. This is the heart of being non-reactive, dealing with social pressure, whatever you wanna call it. You have to learn to ignore things, be they congruence tests or guys entering your sets. If it doesn't help you, it's useless and not worth giving attention to.

2. Always be cooler than the girl. Even if it's just .001% you always have to act as if you think she's not as cool as you. This can take the form of teasing, commanding, or simply not explaining yourself. Girls are just not evolutionarily programmed to be attracted to guys of equal or lesser status. It sucks but it's the way the world works.

3. ABC. Or always be closing as my buddy Entropy would say. As a man you must take all responsibility for escalation. From physically escalating to maintaining plausible deniability with her friends. Everything is up to you. Men are sexually aggressive, women are sexually receptive.

4. Saying something is better than saying nothing. When you see a girl you want to approach it is WAY easier to go in and mess it up than to sit around debating the different ways you could do it. Give yourself permission to fail. Because even trying puts you ahead of 99% of guys.

5. Thinking in field is the enemy. I always say " less thinking, more making moves." Which besides being a line I stole from a Dave Chapelle stand up special, applies to pick up perfectly. Thinking is the worst thing you can be doing when you're out. Actually maybe it's the second worst after talking about game. Instead let go of the outcome, recognize that you are on the plateau as George Leonard calls it in Mastery and put in the work. Do approaches, get blown out, learn. That's the only point of going out to game. Not to oggle and complain about how all the sets are too hard.

So those are my five rules of pick up. If you stick to those you should be off to a good start in your learning process.

S

Adam Lyons game and Sinns Game backwards engineered.....

Adam Lyons' method and how i use it!!!,
by KEATON and JackbauerCT

Hi guys!

When i wrote a post about adam lyons' methos, many users of sdb wrote me a pm asking to clarify them how to use this method, because it isn't really clear from the ebook.

Before i begin to explain it, i have to tell you that, if you want to understand adam's method, you can get his vip archive using the search function.

Now, i will try to explain you how to use it.

In the eBook is explained very bad so i'm not surprised that you didn't understand it.

It is about creating comfort, breaking rapport and getting compliance until the fuck.

I'm not sure this is the real adam's method but it is how i interpreted it.

After the approach you must create comfort with your target, or the set in general. Comfort can be created through humor, through an interesting conversation, through connections, etc...

After the creation of comfort that is equal to rapport + trust, you must to break it.

This is when breaking rapport enters in action.
You can break rapport in many ways: you can use teasing, disqualification, disagreement, non-supplication, you can break it in a physical and sexual way too.

There are so many ways to break rapport. If you get adam lyons' vip archive, you can find 81 ways to break rapport and a guide to qualification that is useful to the investment or compliance.

When you've broken rapport in a way that generates attraction, you're there. It's time to get compliance.

Adam explains only one of the techniques thanks to you can get compliance.

He, in fact, explains qualification very good in his ebook in his vip archive. He tells about investment, i will explain compliance. Compliance is investment. One of the techniques to get compliance is qualification. I will not explain it because you can find it in the vip archive.

I will not explain the other techniques to get compliance too, because the can be found in sexual selection switch by vin dicarlo and in theapproach's structured natural game compilation. They can be found bot on sdb through search function.

My method consists in this. I think it's an improvement of adam lyons' method because he explains ho to generate attraction and how to get the women invest in her attraction towards you. He don't consider another important aspect of attraction: attainability. I incorporated it in my method.

VAC method is really incredible because it tells about value, attainability and compliance to generate attraction. I didn't like it because i wanted a simpler method that fit with me so i generate attraction through breaking rapport and then use attainability and compliance techniques to fuck her.

So, my method is:

Create Comfort
Breaking Rapport
Deservedness (Attainability + Compliance)

Create comfort and breaking rapport are taken from adam's method, compliance techniques are taken from theapproach's guys and i have to say that compliance is the same as investment on which adam lyons' method is based.

I hope this post has clarified some concepts about adam's method.

Bye!!!
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What you need to remember is that breaking rapport DOES NOT generate attraction - the same way that DHV stories and magic tricks and whatever else does not generate attraction. The attraction is generated by the girl's investment.

The purpose of breaking rapport is to begin generating that investment. The point is - you build comfort, and then remove a little bit of that comfort (breaking rapport).
The girl will then make some effort to repair the slight discomfort she feels, by contributing something, or laughing, or whatever. She has started investing, and you reward her for that.

You then start qualifying as a means of capitalising and increasing that investment, rewarding her for doing it - she becomes conditioned to keep investing in you and qualifying herself, and she will 'backwards rationalise' that it is because she is attracted to you.

The 'compliance' comes in when you escalate as a reward for her investment, turning it sexual, and remove touch and reward if she does not comply.

It is not just down to breaking rapport and getting compliance, although that is not far off. Breaking rapport just begins the investment/qualification stage for her.

Regarding the process, I asked Adam Lyons the same question; in the email response I got, he said that you cycle the process - you go as far as you can until you get resistance, then cycle back to comfort and start again. Each time, it will be easier to get her to repair/invest/qualify as she has done it already.

Hope this helps.

Cheers,
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will see if I can answer these as best as possible, but I am no expert.

1) Re: Adam's going on Day 2's - I don't know. He probably does more than mentioned in his field reports, but as getting a number is possible with very little attraction, getting a girl on a lunch for example is probably not that hard, especially if you are pre-selected/social proofed when you meet. Don't overthink it - just follow the formula in your interactions.

2) Attraction is a connection. The passage of time itself builds a connection. The longer you spend with someone, the more you build a connection. It will happen naturally every time you get along well with someone. Again, don't overthink it.

3) Pretty much, yes. Remember, attraction is ONLY built by her investment - breaking rapport does not build attraction, nor does DHV really - but remember DHV's are to demonstrate the 'principles of attraction' as Adam calls them - i.e. confidence/pre-selection/leadership etc. So DHV's do kind of spark attraction 'naturally' but Adam's formula is, as he says, to be used if you don't naturally have these qualities yet. But either way, they are only to get her to invest.

4) Regarding comfort, it pretty much is just the absence of discomfort. If a girl is talking to you, and you are having a nice conversation and she is contributing and not looking to leave, you are in comfort. More than anything, don't overthink this one in particular. Comfort is just that - you both feel comfortable having this conversation. And once you are here, it is time to begin breaking the rapport to make it a little less comfortable. And so start the process.

Hope this helps. Don't micro-manage trying to work this stuff out. Just remember - comfort will happen - break some of that rapport - qualify - and escalate as a reward (compliance). It can be as simple as that.

Cheers,
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Okay, I read Adam's diary and I enjoyed it, but it didn't help my game a whole lot - the most I got was a couple of good lines and ideas. Re: Social Proof, yes that is the biggest part of his game. With pre-selection, this is easy. When the M3 model was the only thing available, they said that with pre-selection, you can skip straight to A3 (qualification).

To ask whether his method is really effective - yes. Not only is it so simple to remember and apply, but you don't need hours of DHV routines or gimmicks etc. You say you don't think that with his method you can have a day 2, as you don't have a 'connection' - the whole point of his method is to get the girl feeling a connection to you.
As she has spent so long investing in you and proving herself, spending her time and energy, you are more likely to get a day 2 that way than any other way. Especially if you have pre-selection when you meet.

Remember, Adam's game mostly relies on qualification. Ever since the days of MM, they have always said that 'qualification is where you either win the set or lose the set'. So Adam's method is qualification based on compliance - from small to large.

If you want to find out whether it is effective (and I think it is even better for day game), go out and open 5 girls today. Start with any opener - examples:
'Is there an ATM around here?'
Tell her 'thanks you seem really friendly. I have to leave, but I have a quick question.'
transition 'I plan to move to Dallas or LA. Which sounds better to you as a complete stranger? I can't decide.'
Break rapport - I suggest stop talking and just stand there, looking comfortable and smiling.
If she does anything to keep it going, start qualifying - only little, easy questions eg about stuff she likes. Find a commonality and how awesome that is. Then tell her that she has been loads of fun, and you would like to hang out again to talk about it etc, and 'what's the best way of staying in touch?'

See how many email/number closes you get today out of those 5, and let us know. Actually do this, or you won't see how this method works and I will have just wasted
my time typing this out to help you, for nothing. Should take about 2 mins each max.

Cheers,

p.s. regarding comfort, all you need to know is this - if she is talking to you, and not trying to leave, you are in comfort. It is not a process itself. If you start talking to someone, and they start talking to you back, you have COMFORT. Comfort is the baseline of almost every chat you have. If you start worrying about comfort, you will not get anywhere. It's unimportant. In fact, remove the word COMFORT, and replace it with the word 'CONVERSATION'. There you go.
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Okay. I have done some thinking and some more research today, and I will try to answer this as clearly as I can. There is more to this.

Re: you saying that you don't think that with Adam's model you can create enough of a connection to get a day 2 - well, you build some kind of connection during initial comfort, you build a connection during qualification, and you build a connection during physical escalation. Any time you spend with her, you are building a connection - the passage of time builds connection!

If you say 'I don't THINK it will work.' then you are not out field-testing it. Either it is working for you in the field, or it isn't. As Adam got more results than anyone else in the community with this method (proven), the method itself is solid.

Regarding comfort, I did some more research. There is a PUA named Sinn, who essentially uses the same model as Adam. Sinn really filled in the blanks for me. He says that there are 3 types of comfort: superficial, rapport, and sexual.

You open with superficial comfort - this is just hoiding a conversation with a girl.
After breaking rapport, and qualifying, you move into rapport comfort - this is where you start to open up and 'connect' with the girl. (read ebook 7 responses for rapport).
When physically escalating, you need to build sexual comfort, obviously.

The comfort that comes before breaking rapport is superficial comfort - that is just talking to a girl without her trying to leave. I know this answer doesn't seem helpful to you, but it is not a process in itself - if you are having trouble with this, then all this PUA stuff is pointless for you.

So there are different types of comfort, but the comfort before breaking rapport is unimportant - there are no lines or tricks to it. If your opener works and she stops to talk, you have done it. To go further, it is recommended that you break rapport as soon as you possibly can. If superficial comfort was important, you would be told to build it, not break it.

If you are confused, check out Sinn's model for attraction. This will fill in the blanks, but only if you know where you are going wrong. Field-test this, and tell me what is going wrong. Giving you loads of information won't help you.

And yes, Mehow's model is very similar to Adam's. I go by results, and Adam gets the results. Mehow's stuff can be very complex which will not help you in-field. Adam's is simple that you can think about it while doing it.

Cheers,




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, Posted 02 Aug 2009 15:59 | Report

Excuse me if I'm late!
I've lost all the points of this discussion!

I want to add something to what jackbauerctu wrote:

1) Don't forget that breaking rapport is important not only to generate the initial investment from your target but to differentiate you from other guys too.
Breaking rapport is important also to break the comfort that can stuck you in the friendship zone. So, breaking rapport is not so simple to describe. With it, we can obtain so many benefits that I can't describe or list.

2) Investment is really important, especially in the kind of game I use. After breaking rapport, I become to qualify my target in an incredible way. I qualify my target until she become uncomfortable. When this happens, I re-establish comfort and, then, I break it again. After doing this, I restart from the level of qualification that I've obtained before.

3) Reward and Punishment are also very important. I call them "Shaping" and I use it after every qualification. If my target qualify herself properly, I reward her, if not, I punish her. Shaping is important, especially when you use it to punish her. When you punish her, in fact, she learn a great lesson and she will not do this the next time.

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Keaton, awesome answer!

The more I have been thinking and the more I have been playing with this, I have realised my sticking points with this which you pretty much just addressed!

Firstly, excellent point re: making her uncomfortable, cycling to comfort, and re-starting from previous level. I have to try that when I get back to civilisation.

One question re: punishment. Obviously that's a big part of investment game, but how are you punishing? I have a big problem with knowing how to balance the punishment vs immediately giving them another chance straight away which you have to do to avoid negative conditioning.

Any of your tips would be really welcome.

Cheers,




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, Posted 03 Aug 2009 23:18 | Report

Yeah Man! You got it!
Reward/Punishment is a great part of the game.

If you want to learn about shaping, the best thing you can do is to download Conversation Cure and to watch carefully to DVD 5. It is explained very well how to reward/punish her and when to do it.
You can find shaping on sCubed too. You can even find it on theApproach Natural Game Article Compilation, in the Compliance section.

If, after done that, you still have any doubt, post them here and I will try to clarify you your sticking points.

Greetings,
Keaton




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, Posted 04 Aug 2009 15:06 | Report

jackbauerctu: Thank you so much for all your replies and your time you put in. I read the book you said: 7 responses for rapport and is great. Your reply about sinn model it helped me a lot.
I have a doubt what was your sp that Keaton adress and "fixed" it? 'cause may be mine hehe. Also, I don't understand when you talk about that risk, what do you mean about negative conditioning?
On regards situational comfort, it's wrong to break rapport as a beginning? Because I used that this weekend and goes well. Hopes not to be a stupid question.

Keaton: Your posts are great, thanks! I will look deeply in conversation cure..
One thing I learned is that I have to restart qualification from the level I obtained before, I wasn't doing it.
You said that you qualify hard until she is uncomfortable, this means that you: qualify + reward + qualify + reward up to she doesn't qualify anymore? (without breaking rapport). Did I get it? Because you said you do this until she is uncomfortable, when you re-establish comfort and then, you break it again.




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, Posted 07 Aug 2009 16:37 | Report

I think that breaking rapport in the beginning could be dangerous.
You can break rapport only when you have it.

In the beginning, I tried to break rapport wihtout creating it and I was labeled negatively. I create first some rapport, then I break it.

For the question about qualification and breaking rapport:

When you try to qualify and the girl doesn't respond well, you have to punish her and to restart the cycle. When I have generated comfort after the punishment, I generally break it because, when I break it she will work to reobtain the comfort, then se is investing. After this little investment, you can restart with qualification cycle. It's simple if you try to use it on the field.




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, Posted 10 Aug 2009 00:13 | Report

Thankk u Keaton!!

I think now I get but can you make a simple real example of "situational" comfort? To difference the point when the conversation ends and the rest of the cycle starts.




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, Posted 13 Aug 2009 11:51 | Report

I'm not the better man to explain you what is situational comfort and how it works.
I don't use this type of comfort. I don't make distinction of the many type of comforts.
For me, the comfort is one and I used, I use and I will use always it.

For me "COMFORT = RAPPORT + TRUST" so, for the conception of comfort I have, it's pretty useless to make distinction between different kind of comforts, etc... It's pure nonsense even the fact that rapport is separated from comfort because if you read the equation, to have comfort you must have rapport first. Comfort without rapport doesn't exist.

To return to the originary question, I think it's pretty useless to think about many different kind of comfort.

Use all the 7 responses for rapport explained in Tung's book. When you will master them, you will have complete control of comfort, even without thinking about the different kind of comfort and rapport.

Make it simple. Going deeper, sometimes, can only confuse you.
If you can make it simple, make it simple. Don't overthink about all the possible variables. Use it the simple way. PERIOD.

If you want some details about all the kind of comfort exists, search for jackbauerctu's post. In this post is explained very well how Sinn use his method and how you can fill the blanks of Adam's method, even if, for me, the information I had was enough to become awesome at game.

HAVE FUN!!!

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ADAMs and SINNS GAME COMNBINED


Hey everyone. Over 800 people have read the thread 'Adam Lyons' method and how I use it' to which I contributed a few answers.

However, having re-studied everything, Adam's great model and Sinn's awesome model (both qualification-based game which is the most reliable!) both complement each other so well, I thought I would give the best break-down of this kind of game that I could. This is off the top, so I hope you enjoy it!

This may seem complex, but without a diagram to show the cycle of this process, it seems harder than it is. I promise it is simpler to remember than all the phases of the M3 model.


Adam's model is C(-R)+Q+SE=A. Basically, comfort-rapport, +qualification,+sexual escalation=attraction.

This model is amazing and it's reliability infield is unquestioned. The whole point of these models is compliance and INVESTMENT - getting the girl invested (and thus attracted) and using compliance to escalate.

However, I felt that this model (mad props to Adam) was a little too basic. Luckily, Sinn's model is a more advanced form of it, and filled in most of the blanks for me, especially regarding different forms of qualification.

In Sinn's model, you have 1) Situational Comfort/Break in rapport. 2)Attraction material/compliance. 3)Rapport Comfort/Break in rapport. 4)Escalation/Sexual Comfort.

Underpinning these 4 phases is QUALIFICATION. Qualification is what is used to move between the phases, all the time making the girl invest. You have a) Standards qualification, b)compliance qualification, c)sexual qualification.
Standards qualification is small hoops. Compliance-medium hoops. Sexual-large hoops.

To break it down as best as I can;

You open with situational comfort.
You break rapport, to start the girl investing.
You expand on that by small hoop qualifying.
You reward her qualifying by running attraction material.
You test for attraction by compliance tests/escalation.
You capitalise on her compliance, by medium hoop qualifying.
You reward her qualifying by moving into rapport comfort.
You break rapport again, to make her invest more (usually break is sexual)
You expand on her investment by large hoop/sexually qualifying.
You reward her qualifying by escalating, moving into sexual comfort.

Any time she doesn't comply, you cycle back to where you were. If she doesn't small hoop comply, you cycle back to situational comfort.

If she doesn't medium hoop/compliance qualify, cycle back to attraction. In this case, remove touch completely and cycle back as this is mostly escalation compliance.

If she doesn't large hoop/sexually qualify, cycle back to rapport comfort.

As you can see, qualification is the key to this model, along with rewarding. She qualifies herself, and you reward, then increase the qualification etc. Sinn's model is difficult, as it is not linear and is a cycle, so I can't do it justice without a diagram, as some of the phases 'overlap'. To describe it best, breaking rapport and qualification 'overlap'; attraction and qualification 'overlap'; sexual comfort and qualification 'overlap.

Breaking rapport and qualification overlap: when you break rapport, you generally do it by teasing. The nature of teasing is that the girl is less cool than you in some way. By breaking rapport you are 'qualifying' her to prove otherwise.

Attraction and qualification overlap: when you run attraction material, you test to see if she is attracted by moving her/asking for compliance, or physically escalating. This is compliance qualification. You are 'qualifying' her to accept your escalating touch.

Sexual comfort and qualification overlap: when moving towards sexual comfort, you are constantly 'qualifying' her sexuality, primarily to turn her on so she feels comfortable getting sexual with you.


A couple of points I have missed, but may prove useful as people begin to understand this model (which I promise you is not as complicated as it seems.)

A big part of Sinn's game is sexual frames. I am not competent enough to explain them, but sexual frames mean setting frames that are conducive to the girl moving towards sexuality - i.e. frame that she is independent, spontaneous, wicked etc. (It does not necessarily mean talking about sex)

Underpinning this whole model is 'frames'. I don't have the time to explain frames and frame control, but a simple way is approaching the whole interaction by thinking and believing that 'IT'S ON' and 'THIS IS INEVITABLE' and seeing the whole interaction through that viewpoint.

Remember, the second break in rapport (in Rapport Comfort) should be sexual, to enable an easy move into sexual qualification. There are a myriad of ways to break rapport though, such as - backturns/takeaways/playfight/mock indignation/disqualifiers etc. If I can't contribute something 'new' or I don't understand it enough, I won't post it here.

I hope this serves as a guideline for qualification game and how it works. In line with Adam Lyon's beliefs, I haven't included much of the 'how' in this, but rather the 'why' - why we qualify, and why that works to get her invested etc.

Please study this method and try to understand - I truly believe it is the most effective and easiest method of game out there. And yes, despite its apparent complexity, it is remarkably simple.

Any questions I will do my best to answer.

Cheers,
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To 'pavement' - the only thing I have from Sinn where I got this info is his free video from the under 21 Convention 2008 (it's free online).

To 'mal' - thanks for the kind words. I will answer as best as I can. Don't take any of my examples as standard, understand the 'why' and you will create your own. But to try and help:

Sexual comfort - this is where she is comfortable in a sexual situation. This can be comfort with touching sensitive parts of her body i.e. neck, thigh etc; kissing (obviously) and talking about sex. You get to this stage if she sexually qualifies.

Rapport comfort - this is where you both open up and start talking about yourselves- your dreams, hopes, likes, dislikes etc. You get to this stage as you reward her for complying during compliance qualification (i.e. moving with you, doing things for you) by talking about yourself, which will encourage her to do the same. this is 'building a connection'.

Situational comfort is the very start of a conversation - and can literally be anything. If you open a girl and she starts talking, you have situational comfort. i.e. 'excuse me...do you know what time this place closes?' 'yeah, um about 2' 'oh thanks, is it always this busy on a thursday?' 'um, sometimes bla bla bla'.
The reason I think you don't need examples is a) you opening and her responding is situational comfort, and b) you break rapport so quickly that situational comfort is less important. You can build comfort in less than a minute sometimes.

Attraction material - this is what the classic M3 was about. Generally, I think the best kind is considered to be storytelling, cold reads, and misinterpretation. Misinterpretation (where you tease and, um, misinterpret what she said) is great because it also allows you to set frames. The frame of any interaction should be like 'this girl wants me' or whatever. So if she says 'where do you live?' and you go 'woah, slow down. We need more comfort, trust and connection before we can do something like that' (classic Tyler example), and she laughs, it passively sets the frame that she is hitting on you. There are tons of resources on attraction material, but these are best.

Re: takeways, I am still not sure of them yet. I'm hoping to field test over the next few days because I don't quite get the hang yet. But regarding punishment and reward, Sinn's explanation is that if she doesn't comply, you tease her on her answer and then go back to demonstrating something of value about you, and start again. Or remove touch completely. The KEY is that it does not look pouty or angry. So if you ask her to hold your glass or move with you and she gives you attitude, say e.g. 'wow, I can already tell your last boyfriend clearly did not spank you enough.' and then go back to running some attraction material/building a connection etc and try again.

it's kind of letting her know that she wasn't playing along or being cool and you noticed it, but don't really care, and want to give her another shot. Don't be reactive. Don't actually 'punish' as it builds bad emotions. Again, I'm not great on this so I will try and field test this weekend.

By 'overlap' - this is a technical thing, don't get caught in classic 'community overthinking'. What this means is that you don't break rapport - and then small hoop qualify. You don't run attraction material - and then medium hoop qualify etc. They can occur at the same time. For example, when you run attraction material, you test for compliance at the same time. You run attract material, and can escalate at the same time. That is compliance qualification. They don't necessarily occur one after the other.

The key to remember in all of this is that this model is based on where SHE is. Qualification is the central theme of this, in that qualification questions are hoops. Whichever hoops she jumps through is where SHE is. For example, if she small hoop qualifies, and then medium hoop/compliance qualifies, you don't need to run attraction material - she is attracted, and you can move into rapport comfort.

If she qualifies, and then compliance qualifies, and then large hoop/sexually qualifies, you can escalate and go sexual. You use the different types of qualification to gauge her level. Where she 'resists' or gets a bit uncomfortable, this is where you go back. i.e. no compliance qualification - run attraction material and start again.

Hope this is useful!

Cheers,
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Hey Man!
Really great post!
However, I must say a thing.
Albert Einstein said: "If you can't explain it in a simple way, probably you have not understood it enough".
Adam Lyons has exactly done it. He explained this method in a simple and natural way.
Many of us are searching for a method that can be natural and linear. Adam's method is the best in it. You must remember only to create comfort, breaking rapport and, then, to qualify and escalate.
If you fail to qualify, create more comfort and try again.
If you are trying to qualify her with a large qualification hoop and she doesn't respond well, punish her, create more comfort and then use another large qualification hoop. She will probably react well. If not, punish her, create even more comfort an do it again. It's that simple.
I find totally usefulness to think about all the phases of Sinn's model. It is not more complete, it's only more complicated.
Adam's Method is simple, more natural and less complex than Sinn's one.
Probably, Sinn's model is simpler to understand for a person who don't go in field but, if you practise in field, with the time, you will tend to simplify the method, reducing it to Adam's model. You can begin with it but, with experience, you will reduce it to Adam's steps.

Now I will try to explain you how I use it, without remember all the stages of the Sinn's method.

1) I open the girl depending on my state.
If I'm down, I usually use opinion openers or situational openers. If I'm in state, I generally use very direct openers, sometimes even sexual ones.

2) I begin to create comfort.
Adam says that comfort is the result of rapport + trust so, it's completely usefulness to distinguish between comfort and rapport as in Sinn's model. If you have comfort, you have surely even rapport so here is the first unsefulness stage of Sinn's model. Simply begin to create rapport (7 Responses for Rapport is great for this). In the beginning you can create surface rapport, with time you would begin to create deeper rapport (based on emotions) and even sexual rapport. Sinn explains it in a step by step method, but this is the natural way in which the things go. When the comfort increase, the conversation level go on. In three hours, you will be talking to her about your sexual fantasies.

3) I break rapport.
Breaking rapport is really simple. You can do it via sexual teasing, normal teasing, physical teasing, etc... I think there are no problem about this step.

4) I begin to qualify her.
There are no reasons to make the things more complex than they are.
There is only a little rule to follow: "THE ESCALATION RULE".
This rule is really simple: Do it in the basic way, then in the medium way, then in the heavier way.
When you use weights for the first time, you usually use begin with a light weight, then increase it and then even more.
Qualification is basically the same thing. Begin with small hoops. Use this for two-three times, then try to use a medium one. If she reacts well, reward her, escalate and continue to use medium ones. If she reacts negatively, punish her and come back the the small ones until she reacts positively to the medium ones. When you have qualified her with medium ones, try to use large ones. If she reacts well, reward her, escalate and continue to use larger ones until the lay. If she reacts negatively, punish her and come back to medium ones until she reacts positively to the larger ones.

It's that simple!!!

Here is the structure I use:
Qualification generate investment. When she make this investment, you reward her and escalate every time more deeply (when you use large qualification hoops, probably you can escalate heavily). When she reacts negatively, you punish her generate a little bit comfort and then return to the previous qualification hoop until she reacts negatively.

There is no reason to make this more complex, because it's really simple. Period.

Action Plan:
1) Read "7 Responses for Rapport" by Tung
2) Read "81 Ways to Break Rapport" By Adam Lyons in "AFC Adam Lyons' VIP Archive"
3) Read "Qualification Guide" By Adam Lyons in "AFC Adam Lyons' VIP Archive"
After done this, you have all you need to understand Adam's method. Simply go out and fuck all the girls you can!

But if you want a step by step method like M3 model, don't come on this forum to ask natural stuff. This simple method it's not natural stuff but it is the simplest way to create it with time, because it's simple to interiorize.
If you want to follow a rigid structure, probably you will not become natural. NEVER!

I hope this post could be useful to someone.

BYE!!!




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, Posted 13 Aug 2009 10:05 | Report

Keaton - I was waiting for your response!

You made an excellent post as usual. I have to say though, that Sinn's model and Adam's are virtually identical. What Sinn's is for me is a 'fill in the blanks' - i.e. the details about how to reward qualification.

What I mean is, I couldn't quite get how to 'reward'. But with Sinn's model, I got that you reward small hoops by running some attraction material (i.e. funny stories, teasing etc). You reward medium hoops/compliance by escalating and moving into deeper rapport. You reward large hoops qualifying by escalating and turning things more sexual.

Obviously infield, you use Adams C-R+Q+SE formula, as it is so simple to remember. Sinn's model is a clarification of each stage. But it is the same process.

Maybe this is the simple explanation? lol. I wrote that first post to try to work everything out to understand it as best as I could. But your post sums it up perfectly. Infield you would use Adam's definition as trying to remember more is risky. But in terms of preparing, or knowing exactly HOW each stage works, Sinn's model is a useful tool.

Cheers,




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, Posted 13 Aug 2009 10:18 | Report

I agree with you!
I must say that many noobs want a step by step method that, almost everytime, confuse them.
I think that a method must have many blank point. You must fill this blank points with your experience.
Try what works for you and use it.
It's not always good to have all the steps put down.
I became with Adam Lyons' Method and I filled the blank points with experience.
It's so much rewarding when you understand something that it's not explained well enough.

I would tell you to sarge together sometimes but I think it's pretty impossible because of the distance and language limits.

Cheers!

P.S.=Where did you find informations about Sinn's Model? I'm really curious to check it out. Sinn's stuff is always interesting!!!
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I think he didn't write any book about his method!
Yeah! I'm pretty much sure about it. I like Sinn's stuff so I control everytime he makes a new product.
For this reason I'm pretty sure that his method is not outlined in any kind of eBook.
Probably, you can find his method only in the Lay Report Book written by himself. Anyway, it is not outlined in a step by step way, so you have to use deduction to join all the pieces in a unique puzzle!