Same Day Lay: The 18 Year Old Virgin
Author: Soul
Seduction / Lay Reports /
I’m not really one for writing detailed LRs, but I wanted to break this one down just to demonstrate what is possible in Day Game. It’s also a good reminder of how far I’ve come. To think that a few years ago I couldn’t even imagine talking to a beautiful young woman in the cold light of day, let alone sleeping with one on the same day I met her, is incredible.
There are two themes to this story that are important for developing your skills with women (and indeed, improving any area of your life): Experimentation and Persistence.
Whenever you get good at something, you will find you periodically reach a plateau in your skill level. At this stage, you need to experiment and start trying different methods and techniques. In this case, I wanted to experiment with daytime physical escalation. I normally advocate that my students avoid serious kino (physical touching) in Day Game until they are on a date with the girl. But I was curious to see whether I could kiss girls quickly in the daytime and still seduce them.
The second theme is persistence. It is important to realize that when you think something should be possible, you need to be persistent in order to achieve it. 99% of people don’t have enough determination and will give up too soon. But if you really believe something can work and you persist at it, eventually you will crack the secret. That’s how I originally got into Day Game.
The Holland Trip & Real Man Conference 2008
SmoothDoc from the Dutch Seduction Lair invited my good friend Dr Yen and me to visit him in Holland to give a talk to the Dutch Lair. I’d never met this guy before, but was completely in awe of him when I did. He’s putting together the Real Man Conference 2008, which is an international summit for guys wanting to improve their skills with women.
What really impressed me about SmoothDoc was his devotion to the event. He’s not even sure if he’s going to make any money from it. He already has the lifestyle he wants: a lovely house in the suburbs, a flash car and a loving and beautiful wife. He tells me he is putting together the conference because it is his dream. He equates it to seeing a beautiful woman on the street and thinking, “I have to approach her, I have to try.” For him, this conference is the same deal. There’s nothing I respect more in a man than determination and integrity.
Experimentation
Hanging out with Dr Yen is great. He came to one of my London lair talks about half a year back and has now become a good friend. It’s amazing when you teach someone something and then you watch as they develop it and improve upon it until they have their own unique style.
Dr Yen is a powerhouse of sexual energy. Skinny with bleached blond rock star hair, he is the Italian Stallion of the modern era. He tells me about pushing physical escalation boundaries on the street at night and how this helps him to filter out the girls that aren’t going to go home with him.
It sounds intense but exciting. I normally make it a rule not to escalate physically with a girl in Day Game until we’re on an instant date. But I have started to wonder how fast and far I can push things physically in the daytime.
I am doing a few street sets the first day I’m in Amsterdam when I spot a beautiful girl wearing sexy, big sunglasses sitting at a table outside a coffee shop. I go over and run one of my standard direct openers, “Excuse me, you are so gorgeous I had to come and say hello” – she opens up like a can of beans. A few minutes later, I’m taking her number and trying to establish a logistical plan for spending more time with her.
She tells me she’s going to Paris early tomorrow morning, so I’m thinking either I try to sleep with her this afternoon or when she’s back from Paris a day later. I have to get back to Dr Yen, so I take her number and leave. A little while later I meet her at the station for a few minutes and just think, “Fuck it, go for the kiss.” It’s broad daylight and I’ve interacted with her for all of four minutes, but all I can think about is pushing things as far and fast as I can.
I look at her, start giving her my seduction eyes, lean in slowly to kiss each cheek, pull back, and then pull her in to kiss me on the lips. There’s tension and some resistance, but my lips touch hers. There’s more resistance, so I add in some tongue and her resistance falters. She is mine.
I try texting and calling her to meet me when she comes back from Paris, but she flakes. Damn it. I conclude that I pushed too far in the initial interaction without having good enough logistics to continue it. The rapid daytime makeout needs modification, but I am determined to make it work.
Persistence
Next up is a Chinese girl with a loose green top that doesn’t leave much to the imagination. I open her on the street and start touching her arms and hands immediately. There is resistance, but I keep talking and making her laugh. I tease her by saying that she wore those clothes on purpose so that I would approach her.
Once I’ve got her giggling, I convince her to come have a drink with me. Something about her top and billowing breasts possess me while we sit there in the hot sun, and suddenly I turn into super kino escalation guy. My hands are ALL over her and at first there is resistance, but then she starts to enjoy it and keeps saying, “This is so crazy!” I keep going for the makeout, but there is even more resistance. I am fighting through it like a trooper. I start kissing her neck and whispering all the naughty things I want to do to her into her ear. It’s about 3pm, broad daylight outside, and I’ve known this girl for all of ten minutes.
I convince her to come to my hotel room another twenty minutes later. Then I have to wait until Dr Yen gets out. While he is getting ready, I build some meagre comfort with the girl. When Yen leaves, I caveman her onto the bed. There’s more resistance and ultimately she refuses to have sex with me. Damn it. This time I had the logistics, but I didn’t have the comfort. With some seriously blue balls at this stage, I resolve to make the rapid daytime makeout work.
Reward
Yen and I decide to hit up the free music festival in The Hague. Festivals are awesome because everyone is always in such a good mood. I spot a beautiful young brunette girl on the tram over there, but she’s too far away to open.
We get off the tram and a few minutes later I notice she’s just in front of me walking slowly by herself. Boom! A girl walking slowly is always a good sign for a Same Day Lay; they’re typically in a slightly dreamlike state, almost waiting for something exciting to happen to them. It also means she’s not in a rush to go meet anyone either, which means you could be the person she spends the rest of the afternoon with.
One of the great things about Day Game is that once you get over your approach anxiety, it’s actually very simple and easy to strike up a conversation with a beautiful woman. In most situations you can either use a Direct or a Situational Opener and then transition off it with something interesting and/or funny. My goal is to make a girl laugh within the first minute or two of the interaction; that way she’ll completely relax and happily continue talking with me.
Dr Yen runs off to open some blonde girl in pink tights. I walk up behind the young brunette girl and tap her lightly on the arm from behind.
Soul: Hey, my friend has just gone to chat up that girl over there, so I’m bored and need company. How are you?
Her: Oh, ok [smiling]. I’m fine thanks.
Soul: So have you been to this festival before?
Her: No, it’s my first time.
Soul: Awesome, me too. I’m in Holland for the weekend, I love it here. Everyone is so cute and friendly. I love the Dutch accent too. It always sounds like you guys are talking with your mouth full!
Her: [Giggles]
Soul: Where are your friends? [I’m establishing logistics]
Her: I’m meeting a friend a bit later, but just thought I’d come by myself for a bit and wait until she gets here.
Soul: [*Ding ding ding* A girl walking around by herself is waiting to be swept off her feet] Wow, that’s brave of you to come to a huge festival by yourself. I really like that kind of independence in a woman.
Her: [Beaming smile] Thanks!
I continue walking and talking with her. Five minutes later I’m wondering whether I can kiss her or not. I always tell my students, “Don’t be someone who makes assumptions as to whether something is possible or not, be willing to test those assumptions with your actions.”
So I stop her, tell her that she has amazing skin, and stroke a lock of her hair back. No reaction. She just keeps on looking at me. It’s a good sign. I lean in and she reciprocates. We kiss, softly and gently at first, and then more voraciously. I learned my lesson from the previous daytime makeouts, so I pull away a few seconds later. I am not going to make the mistake of doing too much, too soon.
I take her by the hand and we keep on walking and talking. I run my standard comfort and kino escalation stuff – we sit down on the grass, listen to the music and I put my arms around her and stroke her gently. I find out all about her passions, her interests, where she has travelled, and what she wants to be when she grows up. I tell her a bit about myself, without giving too much away.
Girls don’t need to know all the details about you. They just want to see some evidence that you could be the kind of man they spend time with. What this is exactly varies from woman to woman, but there are certain characteristics that are almost universally attractive, such as passion, ambition, determination, adventurousness and integrity.
We keep walking and eventually meet up with her friend. I tell her that I’d love to spend more time with her and seed the idea of having drinks at my hotel later on in the evening. When you seed an idea like this early on, it achieves two things. It tests the water to see how they react to the idea and it makes it seem smoother later on when it’s actually time to move back to your place.
I start setting sexual frames as well to make sure that she understands (on an emotional level) that we are going to be intimate. I tell her I am going to kiss her delicious skin all over, and that she’s going to enjoy running her hands over my muscular, taut body. She is smiling and says, “That sounds nice.” It’s on.
I go catch up with Dr Yen while she goes off with her friend. I leave them to chill for a while, and then tell her to come meet me outside the festival. We get in a tram and head back to my hotel.
Once we get inside, she looks at me, and says, “I have to tell you something.” I’ve heard these words enough times to know what’s coming. “I’m a virgin,” she says.
I’ve been with plenty of virgins in the past, and I’m grateful to have learnt from my mistakes enough to give every virgin I meet a great first time. The old adage, “Leave them better than you found them,” is never more relevant than with a virgin.
Soul: [Big, warm smile] That’s ok. We don’t have to do anything that you don’t want to. I’m going to take care of you tonight, ok honey?
Her: I know. That’s why I came home with you. I just felt so comfortable with you. This is crazy. I’ve never slept with any of my boyfriends before. I always lied and told them I was waiting for the one, but I don’t think I was. I think I just needed someone to make me feel as comfortable as you have.
I look at her, smile, and lead her by the hand to my bed. I say, “Let’s get into bed,” and we take off our clothes.
I spend the next half hour making the softest, gentlest and most sensual love to her. Once I’m sure she’s enjoying it and it’s not hurting her, I shift up a few gears and pound her into the bed.
I get this text from her when she gets home,
“Hey Jeremy, how are you? I just wanted to let you know that I really loved spending time with you. This night was amazing, just as you are. I wish you and your friend a good time in Amsterdam. We’ll stay in touch. Xx”
It was a beautiful day outside and night had just begun to fall.
Soul
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Monday, June 14, 2010
Touching in Day Game
The biggest mistakes I see in students for day game is touching and their complete disregard for women’s personal space.
I’m going to cover touching today and tomorrow I’ll cover personal space.
Ready?
DO NOT TOUCH WOMEN DURING THE DAY
Simple right?
Seriously, just don’t touch them. It’s really creepy.
The extent of my touching during day game is when I shake their hand as I introduce myself.
I know this probably goes against every piece of community advice you’ve ever heard. But you have to look at what you’re trying to accomplish with day game and then look at why we escalate our touching at night.
Now at night our goal is to get a make out, fuck her in the bathroom, or bring her back to our place that night.
Touching plays a major role in all three of those things.
But the objective in day game is get a phone number that won’t flake. It’s not to get a make out in children’s section of the bookstore, it’s not to pull her to the food court bathroom, it’s to get a number that won’t flake and see her again. Preferably naked.
To get her number all you really need is comfort and a small amount of attraction. No touching required.
As soon as I stopped trying to escalate my touching in day game my number of blowouts dropped dramatically.
I’m going to cover personal space tomorrow.
I’m going to cover touching today and tomorrow I’ll cover personal space.
Ready?
DO NOT TOUCH WOMEN DURING THE DAY
Simple right?
Seriously, just don’t touch them. It’s really creepy.
The extent of my touching during day game is when I shake their hand as I introduce myself.
I know this probably goes against every piece of community advice you’ve ever heard. But you have to look at what you’re trying to accomplish with day game and then look at why we escalate our touching at night.
Now at night our goal is to get a make out, fuck her in the bathroom, or bring her back to our place that night.
Touching plays a major role in all three of those things.
But the objective in day game is get a phone number that won’t flake. It’s not to get a make out in children’s section of the bookstore, it’s not to pull her to the food court bathroom, it’s to get a number that won’t flake and see her again. Preferably naked.
To get her number all you really need is comfort and a small amount of attraction. No touching required.
As soon as I stopped trying to escalate my touching in day game my number of blowouts dropped dramatically.
I’m going to cover personal space tomorrow.
Grocery Store Game
The grocery store is one of the only day game locations were I don’t go direct every time. So I wanted to write a little primer about what I do to meet women in the frozen food section.
There are three indirect openers that I use at the grocery store. All of them work and have been field tested. But first lets talk about when and what grocery stores to go to.
The time frame to go is Monday – Friday from 6pm – 8pm and Sunday from about 12 – 7. Basically after the 9 to 5ers get out of work during the week and Sunday because it’s usually better than a mall on a Sunday afternoon. Saturday is good too but not nearly as good as a mall.
If you have a Trader Joe’s or a Whole Foods near you then go there. Other grocery stores are alright, Whole Foods is a jackpot.
The “Can you cook this?” Opener
You go into any isle with your cart and grab a random thing off the shelf within earshot of the woman you want to open.
PUA: Can you cook this?
HB: Yes/No
PUA: If yes: Awesome you’re my new personal chef!
PUA: If No: What! You can’t cook Hamburger Helper! Where did you go to culinary school again? You’re fired as my personal chef.
And you roleplay about her being your personal chef for a minute or two. Then you ask her what else is left on her list.
NO WOMAN HAS EVER HAD A LIST
PUA: WHAT! You don’t have a list! You’re going to leave here with Twinkies and Ramen Noodles. You need to shop with me so I can show you why having a list is better.
And you shop together. You can make it fun by saying things like “Ok I’m going to frozen food, you need fruit, let’s meet in the cereal isle in 5!”
And you can be a gentleman at the end and carry her stuff to her car, exchange numbers.
It’s really cool because shopping together is like having a built in instant date.
The “I’ll Trade You” Opener
This is my personal favorite opener of all time.
You push your cart right next to or in front of hers. You grab something out of yours, preferably junk food, and reach into her cart and grab something healthy.
She’s going to be looking at you like WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING!
PUA: Ok, I’ll trade you my Cool Ranch Doritos for your oranges.
They’ll laugh really hard.
Then you do the same list transition as above and shop together.
The “Are You Following Me?” Opener
This one can really be used in any line. It’s not my favorite but it works.
You’re standing in line with with a cute woman behind you. You look back and make sure she realizes you’re looking back.
You wait about 30 seconds and look back again and give her a funny look. She’ll look a little confused and might return your funny look.
PUA: Are you following me? -smile-
They’ll laugh and it’s a great way to spend your time in line.
Now get out there and meet some women.
Oh, and if you go to the grocery store just to open women put all the food back where you found it. It doesn’t make you alpha to leave a cart full of food for the kid making minimum wage to put back on the shelf.
There are three indirect openers that I use at the grocery store. All of them work and have been field tested. But first lets talk about when and what grocery stores to go to.
The time frame to go is Monday – Friday from 6pm – 8pm and Sunday from about 12 – 7. Basically after the 9 to 5ers get out of work during the week and Sunday because it’s usually better than a mall on a Sunday afternoon. Saturday is good too but not nearly as good as a mall.
If you have a Trader Joe’s or a Whole Foods near you then go there. Other grocery stores are alright, Whole Foods is a jackpot.
The “Can you cook this?” Opener
You go into any isle with your cart and grab a random thing off the shelf within earshot of the woman you want to open.
PUA: Can you cook this?
HB: Yes/No
PUA: If yes: Awesome you’re my new personal chef!
PUA: If No: What! You can’t cook Hamburger Helper! Where did you go to culinary school again? You’re fired as my personal chef.
And you roleplay about her being your personal chef for a minute or two. Then you ask her what else is left on her list.
NO WOMAN HAS EVER HAD A LIST
PUA: WHAT! You don’t have a list! You’re going to leave here with Twinkies and Ramen Noodles. You need to shop with me so I can show you why having a list is better.
And you shop together. You can make it fun by saying things like “Ok I’m going to frozen food, you need fruit, let’s meet in the cereal isle in 5!”
And you can be a gentleman at the end and carry her stuff to her car, exchange numbers.
It’s really cool because shopping together is like having a built in instant date.
The “I’ll Trade You” Opener
This is my personal favorite opener of all time.
You push your cart right next to or in front of hers. You grab something out of yours, preferably junk food, and reach into her cart and grab something healthy.
She’s going to be looking at you like WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING!
PUA: Ok, I’ll trade you my Cool Ranch Doritos for your oranges.
They’ll laugh really hard.
Then you do the same list transition as above and shop together.
The “Are You Following Me?” Opener
This one can really be used in any line. It’s not my favorite but it works.
You’re standing in line with with a cute woman behind you. You look back and make sure she realizes you’re looking back.
You wait about 30 seconds and look back again and give her a funny look. She’ll look a little confused and might return your funny look.
PUA: Are you following me? -smile-
They’ll laugh and it’s a great way to spend your time in line.
Now get out there and meet some women.
Oh, and if you go to the grocery store just to open women put all the food back where you found it. It doesn’t make you alpha to leave a cart full of food for the kid making minimum wage to put back on the shelf.
Boyfriend Objection in Day Game
I’ve had a number of guys ask me lately about getting boyfriend objections in day game and what to do about them so I decided to actually add some pickup theory to this blog instead of just posts about tattoos and dick piercings.
So if a girl gives you a boyfriend objection at a bar or club it probably isn’t true and if it is most likely it doesn’t matter. Yes people cheat and it sucks but it’s something you’re just going to have to learn to live with. I know I wouldn’t be faithful to one person so I don’t have have a girlfriend and every woman in my life knows that we’re casual. I believe this is the best way for me to live my life because I don’t want to intentionally hurt someone who cares about me. I’ve been on the receiving end and it isn’t fun.
But back to boyfriend objections. If you get one at night there are a couple of ways you can deal with it.
The AFC way would be to acknowledge what she said, apologize for talking to her, and offer to buy her and her 5 girlfriends drinks to make up for it.
The cocky way to is to tell her something like “Cool, you’ll have something to do when I’m not around” or “Cool, so do all my all my girlfriends” etc, whatever, you get the idea.
Finally you can just ignore it. Don’t even acknowledge that anything was about boyfriends was said and continue talking as normal.
But what about day game?
During the day if you approach a girl in a bookstore or coffee shop and say something along the lines of “I wanted to come meet you” and she gives you a boyfriend objection it means one of two things.
1. This is her polite way of saying no thanks. For one reason or another she isn’t interested in getting hit on by you today and she’s sending you on your way as nicely as she can. She might smile a little bit and will be polite but you’ll be able to tell she’s not interested.
You won’t get real negative reactions during the day. It’s not socially acceptable for her to be a bitch and say “fuck off” during the day like it is at a night club. As long as you socially violate her she won’t do it back to you.
When you go direct for day game you’re giving her all of about 15 seconds to decide whether or not she’s interested in you. Because of the this the better your delivery, eye contact, body language, way you dress, and any natural good looks you might have the better her reaction is going to be.
The best advice about pickup I ever got I got from Sinn. He said “Always leave the house looking your best.” He says this because you run into women at the most random times so always be prepared and you won’t make excuses like “I’m not dressed my best” as the reason for not opening. Also you should take pride in how you look and always present that best self image.
Since he told that over a year ago there has only been one day that I haven’t left my house looking my best and ready to approach. I had gotten my wisdom teeth out a few days before and was on my way to get a haircut. So before I left I said “Fuck it, I feel like shit and I’m going to get a haircut. I’m not doing my hair.” and I threw on an old sweat shirt.
As soon as I got on the subway I saw her. One of the only 10s I’ve ever seen. I realized I looked like shit but I opened anyways… The look she gave me was somewhere between disgust and amusement…
2. She has a boyfriend and she doesn’t want to cheat on him. Her response will be something like “OMG, that’s really flattering but I have a boyfriend.” She’ll be very warm and friendly, all smiles, and you probably just made her day. But she has a B/F and is faithful.
With the first reaction you can try and plow but it’s fruitless. She’s made up her mind and you’re not likely to convince her otherwise.
With the second reaction you can plow, she will talk to you, and give you her number. You can make her a friend, she’ll introduce you to her friends who don’t have boyfriends and everyone is happy. Then about 2 months later she’ll break up with her boyfriend, she’s been keeping you around as plan B, you’ve been doing the same thing to her, one thing leads to another, you get the idea.
Hell it may even happen sooner, she may not be thinking about cheating on her boyfriend at 12:30 on a Sunday afternoon but her feeling could be completely different on a Thursday at 11PM.
Interesting response to a BF objection is as follows:
You: *Attempt # close*
Her: blah blah BF
You: Well congratulations! When’s the wedding?
Her: what!? We’re not getting married!
You: Oh, well it can’t be *that* serious then. *# close*
So if a girl gives you a boyfriend objection at a bar or club it probably isn’t true and if it is most likely it doesn’t matter. Yes people cheat and it sucks but it’s something you’re just going to have to learn to live with. I know I wouldn’t be faithful to one person so I don’t have have a girlfriend and every woman in my life knows that we’re casual. I believe this is the best way for me to live my life because I don’t want to intentionally hurt someone who cares about me. I’ve been on the receiving end and it isn’t fun.
But back to boyfriend objections. If you get one at night there are a couple of ways you can deal with it.
The AFC way would be to acknowledge what she said, apologize for talking to her, and offer to buy her and her 5 girlfriends drinks to make up for it.
The cocky way to is to tell her something like “Cool, you’ll have something to do when I’m not around” or “Cool, so do all my all my girlfriends” etc, whatever, you get the idea.
Finally you can just ignore it. Don’t even acknowledge that anything was about boyfriends was said and continue talking as normal.
But what about day game?
During the day if you approach a girl in a bookstore or coffee shop and say something along the lines of “I wanted to come meet you” and she gives you a boyfriend objection it means one of two things.
1. This is her polite way of saying no thanks. For one reason or another she isn’t interested in getting hit on by you today and she’s sending you on your way as nicely as she can. She might smile a little bit and will be polite but you’ll be able to tell she’s not interested.
You won’t get real negative reactions during the day. It’s not socially acceptable for her to be a bitch and say “fuck off” during the day like it is at a night club. As long as you socially violate her she won’t do it back to you.
When you go direct for day game you’re giving her all of about 15 seconds to decide whether or not she’s interested in you. Because of the this the better your delivery, eye contact, body language, way you dress, and any natural good looks you might have the better her reaction is going to be.
The best advice about pickup I ever got I got from Sinn. He said “Always leave the house looking your best.” He says this because you run into women at the most random times so always be prepared and you won’t make excuses like “I’m not dressed my best” as the reason for not opening. Also you should take pride in how you look and always present that best self image.
Since he told that over a year ago there has only been one day that I haven’t left my house looking my best and ready to approach. I had gotten my wisdom teeth out a few days before and was on my way to get a haircut. So before I left I said “Fuck it, I feel like shit and I’m going to get a haircut. I’m not doing my hair.” and I threw on an old sweat shirt.
As soon as I got on the subway I saw her. One of the only 10s I’ve ever seen. I realized I looked like shit but I opened anyways… The look she gave me was somewhere between disgust and amusement…
2. She has a boyfriend and she doesn’t want to cheat on him. Her response will be something like “OMG, that’s really flattering but I have a boyfriend.” She’ll be very warm and friendly, all smiles, and you probably just made her day. But she has a B/F and is faithful.
With the first reaction you can try and plow but it’s fruitless. She’s made up her mind and you’re not likely to convince her otherwise.
With the second reaction you can plow, she will talk to you, and give you her number. You can make her a friend, she’ll introduce you to her friends who don’t have boyfriends and everyone is happy. Then about 2 months later she’ll break up with her boyfriend, she’s been keeping you around as plan B, you’ve been doing the same thing to her, one thing leads to another, you get the idea.
Hell it may even happen sooner, she may not be thinking about cheating on her boyfriend at 12:30 on a Sunday afternoon but her feeling could be completely different on a Thursday at 11PM.
Interesting response to a BF objection is as follows:
You: *Attempt # close*
Her: blah blah BF
You: Well congratulations! When’s the wedding?
Her: what!? We’re not getting married!
You: Oh, well it can’t be *that* serious then. *# close*
Day Game Model – Moving Sets
Outside of whether to open direct or indirect during the day I get the most questions about moving sets during the day. Here are my thoughts on day game moving sets.
So much of day game, or just game in general comes down to logistics, and moving sets during the day are some of the worst logistics you’ll have to deal with. If I see a moving set in the mall and it looks like they’re going into a store I wait the 2 minutes and open them once she’s in the store just because the logistics are so much better.
But most of the time that doesn’t happen and I’m forced to open her as she’s moving. If she’s walking in the opposite direction as me I like top let her pass me and about 3 steps later I turn around and really oversell my direct opener, “I know this is wicked random but I HAD to come meet you, I’m Doc.” I really don’t think that stopping them or doing the double take thing really matters either way, it’s just a personal preference. Saffron stops them in their tracks and it works just as well.
If they’re walking in the same direction as you it’s common sense that you can just start a conversation as you walk because you’re walking the same way.
A lot of the time the women have a legitimate time constraint. I always like to just go for the number close right away even if I’ve only talked to her for 30 seconds, it’s not the most effective method but if she’s in a rush then she’s in a rush and you can say you gave it your best shot. If she isn’t pressed for time than I like to go for the instant date by around the five minute mark. A lot of the time I’ll call attention to how awkward it is standing in the middle of the street and try to bounce for coffee.
Overall moving sets are probably the hardest sets to open during the day and I tell guys to get decent with stationary sets in bookstores and coffee shops before trying to do moving sets.
So much of day game, or just game in general comes down to logistics, and moving sets during the day are some of the worst logistics you’ll have to deal with. If I see a moving set in the mall and it looks like they’re going into a store I wait the 2 minutes and open them once she’s in the store just because the logistics are so much better.
But most of the time that doesn’t happen and I’m forced to open her as she’s moving. If she’s walking in the opposite direction as me I like top let her pass me and about 3 steps later I turn around and really oversell my direct opener, “I know this is wicked random but I HAD to come meet you, I’m Doc.” I really don’t think that stopping them or doing the double take thing really matters either way, it’s just a personal preference. Saffron stops them in their tracks and it works just as well.
If they’re walking in the same direction as you it’s common sense that you can just start a conversation as you walk because you’re walking the same way.
A lot of the time the women have a legitimate time constraint. I always like to just go for the number close right away even if I’ve only talked to her for 30 seconds, it’s not the most effective method but if she’s in a rush then she’s in a rush and you can say you gave it your best shot. If she isn’t pressed for time than I like to go for the instant date by around the five minute mark. A lot of the time I’ll call attention to how awkward it is standing in the middle of the street and try to bounce for coffee.
Overall moving sets are probably the hardest sets to open during the day and I tell guys to get decent with stationary sets in bookstores and coffee shops before trying to do moving sets.
Some Day and Night Game Observations
So I’ve been going for a lot of night game lately and I have a few thoughts on it–
1. 95% of girls at night suck. I don’t mean this in a “those girls blew me out so I’m gonna talk shit kind of way.” No. The girls just seriously suck.
They’re usually ugly once you get them in the light, they’re drunk, and I would rather watch “The Love Guru,” quite possibly one of the worst movies ever made then carry on a conversation with the majority of these girls.
I pulled three girls home from a bar or a club last week. None of them were as hot as girls I meet in day game and I never plan on seeing any of them ever again, I actually have none of their numbers so I won’t see them again.
But it gets better–
Wednesday fell asleep and I’d rather not go to jail for rape. So I kicked her out.
Thursday gave me LMR, I plowed through it, and was so disgusted and tired by the time we fucked that I finished really quick and kicked her out immediately
Friday was the best though. Got her home, her panties came off and…. wait for it… wait for it… no not a penis… A rash that looked like 3rd degree burns and flesh eating disease got married, had children , and left their offspring on her pussy. Guess what? I kicked her out.
On the bright side I have a feeing that the “quality” of the girls will improve as I find venues that have my type of girls in them.
2. It is easier to get laid from night game than day game. A lot easier.
3. Game is game. A lot of my day game stuff carries over, it’s just learning stuff like group dynamics, AMOG techniques, etc.
4. It’s a hell of a lot more fun than going out during the day. Friends + Alcohol + Pussy = good times.
These are just some thoughts.
1. 95% of girls at night suck. I don’t mean this in a “those girls blew me out so I’m gonna talk shit kind of way.” No. The girls just seriously suck.
They’re usually ugly once you get them in the light, they’re drunk, and I would rather watch “The Love Guru,” quite possibly one of the worst movies ever made then carry on a conversation with the majority of these girls.
I pulled three girls home from a bar or a club last week. None of them were as hot as girls I meet in day game and I never plan on seeing any of them ever again, I actually have none of their numbers so I won’t see them again.
But it gets better–
Wednesday fell asleep and I’d rather not go to jail for rape. So I kicked her out.
Thursday gave me LMR, I plowed through it, and was so disgusted and tired by the time we fucked that I finished really quick and kicked her out immediately
Friday was the best though. Got her home, her panties came off and…. wait for it… wait for it… no not a penis… A rash that looked like 3rd degree burns and flesh eating disease got married, had children , and left their offspring on her pussy. Guess what? I kicked her out.
On the bright side I have a feeing that the “quality” of the girls will improve as I find venues that have my type of girls in them.
2. It is easier to get laid from night game than day game. A lot easier.
3. Game is game. A lot of my day game stuff carries over, it’s just learning stuff like group dynamics, AMOG techniques, etc.
4. It’s a hell of a lot more fun than going out during the day. Friends + Alcohol + Pussy = good times.
These are just some thoughts.
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