I like badboy cause he acts like a badboy.lol
nah, I like his aura of masculinity which most PUAs dont have that.
he is pretty good and I used his innergame, rapport, emotional states and his kiss close which is rarely seen. and I use 100% of the time.
guy talks natural game and he has exciting bootcamps stuff and can coach I heard.
I like his prioirties first which really I should have listened . he is arare guy in the pua community.
heres notes from a liar talk I found, ENJOY!!!
Notes From Badboy found from a lair talk
Badboy Quotes / Introduction
• Direct game works better here [in the US]
• I represent direct game
• The deeper I go, the more simple it becomes
• You’re not picking her up, you are seducing her
Emotions are contagious
The girl is a mirror image of yourself. She will reflect your beliefs, thoughts and how those things are projected by your presence. In a way, you are "picking up" yourself.
Women don’t want to be the one choosing, they want to be the chosen. You are choosing her
Most 9’s and 10’s are very insecure. I have more success talking to with American girls!
I love other guys. They drive the girl to the club, pay for her drinks and bring her back! I don’t have to do anything. The other guys are my best friends.
Emotions
How do you feel? How does she feel? Pay attention to how she feels!
Don’t negotiate with logic or argue your way into sleeping with her. Logic does not work with women. Of the Fortune 500 companies, only 4-5 CEOs are women. It is not in their nature to be logical.
Don’t change the way she thinks. Change the way she feels. When talking to a woman always notice how she feels during the interaction.
There are 5 emotions you must make her feel (Note: same as BadBoy’s DVDs)
1. Relaxed
2. Attraction
3. Trust
4. Physical Comfort
5. Connection
On being rich and on social status
Club -> Swords -> Guns -> Money
Being “rich” isn’t necessarily what you think. She’s not being a gold digger. It makes her feel the following emotions: comfort, security, protection, power, dominance, stability. The things that evoke these emotions have changed over time.
On buying drinks
Don’t buy drink as a way to impress or attract her. Do it for building trust and comfort after she is attracted to you. Having a drink has become a socialritual of friendship. Calibrate on drink buying. How many times have you thought, “if I only bought that girl a drink I would have got laid!?”
How to create Trust
• Changing location
• Leading (activity, motion)
• Give her something you own, or wear something of hers (glasses, hat, etc)
• Sit down (high heels are painful)- you are helping her with her pain
• Time = trust
• Give something to the girl’s friend, and take the girl (show physical leading technique) and tell her you will come back.
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Physical Comfort /Kino Escalation
• High five
• Palm reading
• Smile, relax, “love to be touched” vibe
• Movement of kino goes from hand, to shoulders, to the head/hair, to the mouth, breast, and then back down finally to the vaginal region.
On Dominance
Dominance = achieving things without using force, but influence.
Aggression = force. You will face resistance if you use force.
[Badboy demos locking hand leading and sitting the girls down by lightly pressing her hip area]
If you get resistance, you are either a) too weak (no motivation or energy) b) too forceful, too much pressure and will raise resistance and trigger “danger” in her mind.
Q&A
The club is a fake and dramatic environment. Pick one girl and think, “I am going to make her happy for 1 night.” Think about her, not about your wanting to fuck her
The best cologne is the pheromone the female body releases
[AW: was he joking?]
All your life, girls have developed ways to filter out the real men. Be the man. I don’t believe in rejection.
“In love and war, remember there are no rules”
On day 2s
Tell the girl she can pick the time, you pick the location. Location gives you more control
Be unpredictable. If you become predictable, it is game over.
Day 2 venues
• Mini-golf
• Go car
• Telescope and blanket (park)
• Running / sports
Party vs. Emotional Girls
Party girls: confident, sexy, and flirty. Attraction keys: leading. Don’t talk to her, show her with physical lead. “Sex, drugs and rock and roll”, if you are good sex, they will come back for more.
Emotional girls: long term, value building, security and protection. Attraction keys: build value, connection. Have the “we are soul mates” vibe.
Openers
Whisper “You’re so fucking sexy” and then walk away (she will think about you for the rest of the night. Wait 10-15 minutes, “now we can talk”
Badboy tells us story about the HB10 with 7 guys, how he turned her around and then shook his head and walked away. She was hooked.
“Stop” like a police sign
Both hands on shoulders turn her around and keep smiling
Hand leading (very dominant)
Social Circle Game
You still have to have club game in order to build and maintain a social circle. The club scene is the most difficult environment that will test your social intuition skills. Keep this in mind as I tell you about social game
5 really hot girlfriends. Keep your dick in your pants and try not to fuck them. Each will have a circle of about 10 girlfriends
If you take a friend, be sure to replace her. “Bait” to catch the bigger fish / use as pivots
House party – invite 10 girls, 3-4 guys. 3-4 parties later, make them feel comfortable so they will get drunk and sleep over. Then harvest.
Give the girl a mission, “you bring the salad, you get the drinks” to reduce party flake rate
Relax, no community guys, no hitting on girls at party
Ending
“Being a mPUA is great. For me, it is the chase that gets off. The sex is great too, but I love the chase!”
“My purpose in life is to give women the men they want”
Sunday, April 4, 2010
Qualifiacation Post by Topo
Cycle – Qualification Pattern and Being Authentic
6:33 am - Friday January 8th, 2010
There 2 Missing Pieces in Success with Women –
It seems like most people in Pick Up talk about getting laid through a System or they talk about getting laid through being Authentic.
It is always either or…
the sad part is that nobody can mix the 2.
I find this really weird, considering that you would expect all those guys that learn from a System would actually get good with women and turn it into a lifestyle and thus be Authentic.
On the other side, the guys teaching you to be Authentic can never give you specific advice on what to do exactly.
One of the core things that I have always taught was how to be yourself while using a process. This has been apart of everything that I have ever taught – the best example is theREDstack. People always tell me I am selling routines and I try and tell them that theREDstack is not a list of routines, but it is your life put into my models of Qualification, Teasing and Emotionally engaging someone so that you will be able to meet the people that you want.
On another side note it is funny cause recently I started giving out references (emails of past clients who have theREDstack) to guys who have been inquiring about it and I forget how unique the product is.
So how does one be Authentic and also Learn in a Structured or Consistent way?
I think you need to ask yourself 2 Questions.
You need to ask –
1 – What are the best parts about me?
(these would be things like, what you would be proud to show people. Things that you would see as your best part of yourself.)
2 – What do I want in a Woman?
(this would mean – what do you desire and value from a woman. Every woman you meet might be attractive, however, what would make you more attracted to her than just her looks)
For myself the answer to the first question (what are the best parts about me) would be – I love people. I almost see socializing as a religion. In fact I really value having the right people in my life and cultivating the best relationships.
The answer to the second question (what do I want in a woman?) is easy. When I first meet a girl and I am physically attracted to her I want to know if she is sexually confident and if she is someone that is open minded.
Those are pretty basic. Now if you want ask yourself those same questions.
Since I am well aware of those 2 questions I can take my Structures of Opening, Qualification, Teasing – in General – Showing myself – and make it Authentic.
Why nobody is able to mix the 2 I don’t know.
So for instance if I want to use a structure for Opening based on my answers to those 2 questions it is easy. I want to ask to do this –
- Ask a Question that is based on what I want in that woman –
- Tease based on her reaction
-Then implement a Qualification Pattern
(for instance I can do a pattern I call the Cycle – Qualify, then Ground, then Qualify then Ground the Qualify)
How the Cycle works is easy – You mix Qualifiers (questions I am interested in) with grounding (Stories based on myself or experiences) to get deeper and deeper towards the things I want to show about myself and the things I want to know about women.
This takes some creativity, but I feel that you are better off trying it than not.
Also you might be thinking – should I wait for her to answer the Questions?
Well you don’t need to, at first I would just say these things and if a girl engages in the conversation that is when you should lay off a little. Allow her to voice herself and when she stops talking pick it back up.
If you can get through a few Cycles you will be pretty deep pretty fast.
Here is an example –
I like Open-mindedness when it comes to sex. So I could open and say –
“This might seem like a weird question but what do you think about how closed off our culture is?”
She will probably be confused be this so I will tease her a little to build some compliance –
“I didn’t mean to scare you, I can already tell that you can intimidate the right people, but that just means you’re an open-minded person.”
Then you move on to the Qualifiers –
“For instance, let me ask you this…what do you think makes people the most nervous…”
Then you do your first Ground – just 2 sentences and it should last about 10 seconds only. The point of the Ground is so that your Qualifier is not just some random question, it has something to do with you.
“Cause with me I actually think one of the most attractive qualities about people is how open-minded people are. I have always found that the most interesting parts to someone are not on the surface.”
Now I am going to continue the Cycle and Qualify again but get more intense –
“So let me ask you, what would you say is really unique about you?”
She may or may not answer and I am going to ground again to define what this means to me.
“I think people I have always been someone that pushes the envelop, for instance I have always been really creative, but sometimes it can offend people, especially people that don’t know me.”
And I am going to continue to Cycle and get deeper towards sexuality here.
“I can tell you’re confident – but if I were to ask you about your sexuality would you get nervous?”
Now I will ground again –
“I know for myself I have always been more comfortable with blurting out perverted things more than just being honest about things in my life. I think that I really like it when I can feel comfortable with someone.”
Now I am going to stop there, but in an initial interaction the quickest I can to a Qualification Pattern like this then the sooner I will be able to Show the sides of myself that I really like and also bring out the parts of a woman that I really like.
Be creative and try it.
For all the readers of my blog – if you want to talk with me personally about this we are surveying my entire email list.
Please GET ON THE LIST to have the opportunity to talk with me more, and so I can talk to you!
Thanks
Steve
6:33 am - Friday January 8th, 2010
There 2 Missing Pieces in Success with Women –
It seems like most people in Pick Up talk about getting laid through a System or they talk about getting laid through being Authentic.
It is always either or…
the sad part is that nobody can mix the 2.
I find this really weird, considering that you would expect all those guys that learn from a System would actually get good with women and turn it into a lifestyle and thus be Authentic.
On the other side, the guys teaching you to be Authentic can never give you specific advice on what to do exactly.
One of the core things that I have always taught was how to be yourself while using a process. This has been apart of everything that I have ever taught – the best example is theREDstack. People always tell me I am selling routines and I try and tell them that theREDstack is not a list of routines, but it is your life put into my models of Qualification, Teasing and Emotionally engaging someone so that you will be able to meet the people that you want.
On another side note it is funny cause recently I started giving out references (emails of past clients who have theREDstack) to guys who have been inquiring about it and I forget how unique the product is.
So how does one be Authentic and also Learn in a Structured or Consistent way?
I think you need to ask yourself 2 Questions.
You need to ask –
1 – What are the best parts about me?
(these would be things like, what you would be proud to show people. Things that you would see as your best part of yourself.)
2 – What do I want in a Woman?
(this would mean – what do you desire and value from a woman. Every woman you meet might be attractive, however, what would make you more attracted to her than just her looks)
For myself the answer to the first question (what are the best parts about me) would be – I love people. I almost see socializing as a religion. In fact I really value having the right people in my life and cultivating the best relationships.
The answer to the second question (what do I want in a woman?) is easy. When I first meet a girl and I am physically attracted to her I want to know if she is sexually confident and if she is someone that is open minded.
Those are pretty basic. Now if you want ask yourself those same questions.
Since I am well aware of those 2 questions I can take my Structures of Opening, Qualification, Teasing – in General – Showing myself – and make it Authentic.
Why nobody is able to mix the 2 I don’t know.
So for instance if I want to use a structure for Opening based on my answers to those 2 questions it is easy. I want to ask to do this –
- Ask a Question that is based on what I want in that woman –
- Tease based on her reaction
-Then implement a Qualification Pattern
(for instance I can do a pattern I call the Cycle – Qualify, then Ground, then Qualify then Ground the Qualify)
How the Cycle works is easy – You mix Qualifiers (questions I am interested in) with grounding (Stories based on myself or experiences) to get deeper and deeper towards the things I want to show about myself and the things I want to know about women.
This takes some creativity, but I feel that you are better off trying it than not.
Also you might be thinking – should I wait for her to answer the Questions?
Well you don’t need to, at first I would just say these things and if a girl engages in the conversation that is when you should lay off a little. Allow her to voice herself and when she stops talking pick it back up.
If you can get through a few Cycles you will be pretty deep pretty fast.
Here is an example –
I like Open-mindedness when it comes to sex. So I could open and say –
“This might seem like a weird question but what do you think about how closed off our culture is?”
She will probably be confused be this so I will tease her a little to build some compliance –
“I didn’t mean to scare you, I can already tell that you can intimidate the right people, but that just means you’re an open-minded person.”
Then you move on to the Qualifiers –
“For instance, let me ask you this…what do you think makes people the most nervous…”
Then you do your first Ground – just 2 sentences and it should last about 10 seconds only. The point of the Ground is so that your Qualifier is not just some random question, it has something to do with you.
“Cause with me I actually think one of the most attractive qualities about people is how open-minded people are. I have always found that the most interesting parts to someone are not on the surface.”
Now I am going to continue the Cycle and Qualify again but get more intense –
“So let me ask you, what would you say is really unique about you?”
She may or may not answer and I am going to ground again to define what this means to me.
“I think people I have always been someone that pushes the envelop, for instance I have always been really creative, but sometimes it can offend people, especially people that don’t know me.”
And I am going to continue to Cycle and get deeper towards sexuality here.
“I can tell you’re confident – but if I were to ask you about your sexuality would you get nervous?”
Now I will ground again –
“I know for myself I have always been more comfortable with blurting out perverted things more than just being honest about things in my life. I think that I really like it when I can feel comfortable with someone.”
Now I am going to stop there, but in an initial interaction the quickest I can to a Qualification Pattern like this then the sooner I will be able to Show the sides of myself that I really like and also bring out the parts of a woman that I really like.
Be creative and try it.
For all the readers of my blog – if you want to talk with me personally about this we are surveying my entire email list.
Please GET ON THE LIST to have the opportunity to talk with me more, and so I can talk to you!
Thanks
Steve
best of topo talks stripper game-
Don't make this mistake if you want to game Strippers, Bartenders, and Waitresses
While most of the dinosaurs became extinct 65 million years ago
during the Cretaceous Period, some lived on a little longer...and
they've taken up residence in the Seduction Community.
No, I'm not talking about Ross Jeffries. I met RJ and he actually
impressed me FAR more then the vast majority of new pua gurus (and
that's not a diss on new pua gurus). RJ adapts.
Nope, who I'm talking about are people running value-based game on
hired guns and strippers.
Now if you're reading this you've probably heard me rail against
value-based game at some point in the past, but the fact of the
matter is...it works. It's slow and inefficient, but it works.
However, take that value-based game to strip club and you can
multiply that inefficiency by 10. It just plain sucks in that
environment (where the girls are trying to get your cash).
In fact, I have seen very solid pua's come to the strip club with
me and get blown out REPEATEDLY because they're stubbornly trying
to run nearly the exact same game on strippers that they run on
regular girls at a bar.
(While they may think they're a T-Rex, and that is actually true in
a normal night environment, the results they get in the strip club
paint them as a lumbering Brontosaurus.)
If you're ready to step into a world where you can QUICKLY
(legitimately within 30 minutes on a consistent basis) and EASILY
seduce strippers, bartenders, and waitresses on a core personal
level without trying to be "cooler" than them, click on the link
below
Do these 3 things and strippers will come home with you
There really are just 3 basic things you have to do to pull a
stripper back to your place for some wild and crazy sex.
But first, let me tell you the one thing you should NOT do...
Don't try to impress her!
(This the huge mistake that I have seen bona fide pua's making over
and over again when they try to run value-based game in the strip
club.)
"Value-based" game is totally unnecessary and even
counter-productive in this environment. Why?
Because you've already got higher value since you've got the money!
She wants something from YOU. That's why she approached you.
Trying to be "cooler" than her at that point is just a waste of
your valuable time (because you've already got her full, undivided
attention to run your game).
Instead, try these three things...
1. Break the "customer" frame IMMEDIATELY within the first minute
of interaction after she approaches.
2. Right after that, rather than trying to impress her, start
building sexually non-judgemental comfort.
3. Finally, demonstrate an understanding of her world by tailoring
your close to fit the logistics of her job and environment.
If you want to pull strippers, do these three things consistently.
But if you want go even further and find out how you can get in one
week the kind of stripper game mastery that it takes other years to
achieve (if ever)...
Click on the link below and watch my video with a real exotic
dancer as I reveal my new "Keys to the Club: The Same Night
Stripper Seduction System"
http://www.theredmole.com/keystotheclub.html
Friday, December 12, 2008
A little insight on Stripper Game
This is kind of a spur of the moment post but I was out with my buddy Bart the other night and pulled off some crazy shit.
Right now Shaft, Soco, Jtime and myself think Stripper game is easier than any other game.
I know that some people may think it is harder, but I couldn't disagree more.
I have mixed things that Shaft has come up with (his system is by far the most thorough and I don't want to make it sound like I know it inside and out, but i do have an understanding of it)
and I have mixed stuff that Soco has done. Soco's is more pimp style from what I understand. Both Soco and Shaft have spent a lot of time in clubs, and know their dynamic very well.
I also have a good friend of mine that has done over a decades worth of Business in relation to strip clubs and they know the business very well.
On Jtime's workshop with me he SNLd a stripper, and I was pretty surprised. At the time I hadn't really done much stripper game. Sinn and Shaft had given me some pointers and I had heard Sinn's Stripper and Hired Guns stuff.
First off, what Sinn is saying is right 100%.
I am just coming at it from a different angle.
Just like learning from Captain Jack is way different than learning from Mystery, Stripper Game and Hired Gun game has many different angles. That still means what Mystery came up with was right, there is just a completely different way.
I will say this, of all the girls in my life right now that I have met in the past 2 months are all either waitresses, strippers, or porn actresses (which I don't know if that is a good thing...but we will work on that later)
So the other night I pulled a 2 set that became an 8 set from a strip club that I had only been to once before a long time ago in a town very far far away. I met all these girl that night.
I also visited another club that night too and got what could be interpreted as a booty call from one of the strippers at the other club.
That Text Message one constant text so I will send it out to my list Next Week and post the breakdown on my blog.
Sign up on the Mailing list (the link is fixed)
and Later this week after the Cold Reading stuff it will go out.
I am not going to post an LR on the blog of it all just yet, but it has been a while since I have had such a crazy experience. I mean even in the community I have not had such a crazy experience with women in comparison to the past few nights.
And you guys know me I am a pretty fucked up dude, that is open towards some pretty crazy experimentation. But these girls impressed me.
So for now I will leave you with this...
And I write this for the learn purposes, many of my friends are Strippers and this isn't to go out and abuse their asses, but let's look at some facts as to how Stripper Game is hands down easier than any other game-
-They are Approaching you
They are approaching you, isn't that everyone's fear. Approach anxiety is everyone's excuse. You go there you sit. No you don't buy dances or spend money, I spend no money on them. That doesn't mean you can't, but at first it is a good idea not to. The only way I would spend money on them is for proofing out an entire club. This in completely unnecessary, but that is the only reason. In fact if you do befriend them or fuck them, they probably wouldn't ever want to take money from you.
-They are the ones trying sell you
So this is one of the more important things. You are not subservient to them, they are the ones asking permission to sit and talk you into buying them. That means you have ample time to talk to the real them and not the stripper version of them. If they are playing hard sell to you then qualify their ass. They are in your space you are their boss essentially. You don't need to run game, you need to say, 'look if you want me to buy a dance from you then you gotta do more than that, if you can't then run along, if not sit here and keep me company'.
-Society frowns upon their profession (join the club)
No who knows what is right and wrong... being a PUA is not really the most ingratiated job there is out there. But society looks down at what they do. This brings up a few things that are actually listed below, and adds a whole lot leverage for comfort. They don't want to be seen as bad, they want to be seen as normal. Now also they are seeking attention and are doing a fairly risky thing to seek attention, weather money is the motive of not, that action of seeking attention all the time effects you. That is also why so many PUA instructors are so fucked up cause they are constantly seeking attention and validation, but that is another story....hahahaha
-They are the ones seeking Attention from you using Sex
So this is influenced by what is listed above. They want attention more that actual sex, they want to be seen as sexually normal. The bullshit of sex is their job. All the commercialized slutty, assholish things associated with sex that women hate are what a stripper is trying to sell to you. Or that is at least what the club is trying to sell to you. Those are all things women hate as their identity sexually. So this being said you can talk about sex in a normal way, and when they so calculatingly bring up that they love slutty sex, you can easily say, 'actually I hate that sort of thing, I actually really like people being real during sex. In fact I see sex as something very personal. If you're only gonna act all stripper sexy then, go make your money with someone else, but if you're gonna talk to me be real'.
-Sex is something that is already a topic
I touch on this above, but yeah you can talk about all sorts of lewd sexual shit. They always try and top me, but that is pretty hard. There are only 2 women that I know who can keep up with me on the perv level, and believe me I am very attracted to them because of this. But most strippers are very open to all sorts of crazy sexual talk, where in a club this is harder. Just make sure your are dong so with fun and humor in mind. Don't be a fucking creep.
-They are competitive and their egos are easy to leverage
So they are always competitive. This is how they have to be. Look they have to deal with a bunch of perverts all day, and hustle their bodies. If they are competitive then they will qualify themselves very easily. You just need to challenge them a little. You need to tell them things like, 'wait a minute, is that one of your tricks, that doesn't work on me' they will come back and say, 'oh yeah will this work on you'. You can structure a ladder based on this.
-They want to feel normal
As I mentioned this above, they don't want to be seen as pieces on meat. They get paid really good money to be seen as pieces on meat, and treated that way (sometimes). So don't treat them like that, but DO break their frame. Don't let them be dominant over you, but make their work enjoyable and be the customer that isn't there to freak them out.
-They generally have a pretty interesting sense of humor about sex
Ok so they almost always have a fucked up sense of humor about sex.
This is good cause you can ask things like, 'what is the most fucked up sexual experience you have had' or 'have you ever messed up during sex and embarrassed yourself', or 'have you ever had sex with a guy that his dick was so big it made you totally regret the experience'....
The main thing here is that the idea that Stripper Game is harder than club game is the wrong way to look at things.
Go to a strip club, don't buy dances, go there and watch sports and hangout.
If you are remotely normal and dominant and confident they will be real in front of you.
There are a few things that you can do that implement dominance and hold your frame, but just remember they are there to sell you, you're their boss not them. Once that is established work your frames in, that fall into place all too easily in a strip club.
Posted by El Topo at 9:17 PM 2 comments
Wednesday, December 10, 2008
A Brief but Triumphant Announcement...and some music
So for those interested in some of the Lessons I have been putting out there
I would recommend signing up to the podcast list in the corner...
Now yes I know the podcasts are in hibernation, however the new site is almost ready and they will all be available there.
Since the next Lesson I am putting out is on Cold Reading there are a few extra things I want to include to people on my list. The folks on my list will get the sexual cold reads, as well as a few more useful cold reads.
As for the title of this I only expect Cowboy to get it... but if you do then email me and I will give you a free phone consult... eltopoPUA@gmail
For now some music for my friends in Atlanta who had another Mystery Matador sighting...
They were at a strip club there last night and they were tying their tactics and tricks on some of our friends there. Needless to say, at this point the new 'advancements' in stripper game destroy whatever bullshit they are doing.
I have actually been doing quite a bit lately and Shaft has been showing me the ropes.
But in Atlanta Jtime and Soco are also revolutionizing stripper game as well.
So stay tuned cause we got something coming that will fuck up the game of the past.
Stripper game as I knew it before was laid out completely wrong and this new stuff is quicker and way more efficient and effective. It works in multiple styles...
If you want to social proof a club and be involved in those crazy after hours parties or if you just want to be a lone wolf in the club and pick the girls off.
So this song is for you guys
Posted by El Topo at 3:52 PM 1 comments
Saturday, October 11, 2008
Seduction Overrides All
So in the past few days, people have been searching for the ancient KFP post.
I have always said I would rewrite it, but my ideas on seduction have evolved since I posted that over a year ago. So I will leave you with this post which will at least get you talking about sex, and seeing an escalation to it.
In fact it couldn’t come at a better time. I have been hanging out with a bunch of PUAs all over from Atlanta to Dallas, to Austin, to San Diego, to Orange County, to LA, and now in Las Vegas, and the main difference in them all is whether or not they are comfortable with sex or not. The ones who are comfortable get 20min to 2 hour closes and the ones that aren’t don’t close nearly as much and quickly.
Aside for the amount and time that it takes for someone to close, what I feel the real issue is, that lack of sexual confidence men come in with. As one of the first things that is brought up in the community is, men don’t know how to be men. Men are not comfortable talking about sex or how to go all out with it.
In fact I know a lot of the biggest names in the community and I have been out there with many of them, and from what I have seen on this last trip is the guys that know how to express sexuality and are comfortable with it out lay any PUA. The PUA can be a Guru or not, but if you know some skill and how to be sexual, that build more attraction than talking to someone about getting into a fight with 10 of your friends over your ex girlfriend who is a stripper.
What is even more weird, is when you see your students who you taught a year ago or even a month ago be able to pull off a 20min lays in a club, like I saw Algasim do 2 nights ago in Vegas.
In San Diego there is Kamouflage, one of Mehow’s Instructors who I taught, but has also surpassed many of my teaching with his own, pull every night and bring a harem of undeniably 10s to the club with him. Kamouflage does what I teach in super high stimulus clubs and it is very much how I teach, but he does it on a whole new level.
It is also weird when my buddy Brando who I taught last year is doing the same thing.
Then there is Jtime and Soco in Atlanta who were able to pull 4 strippers from a club to their house in the same night. This does not happen even with the best PUAs focused on Stripper Game.
On my 1-on-1 with Jtime back a few months ago he SNLed a stripper on his first fucking night out. And Soco has only been in the game for the past 2 months.
But what is totally alien to me, is to see how nonsexual the community can be. That is the first style of game I learned. CJ showed me a different style. On ewhere you skip a lot of attraction, and one where you skip a lot of comfort. What CJ always told me was, that he never wanted to get attention, he wanted to get the women he wanted in his life.
I mean there are so many people in the community who are great at opening up large and difficult sets, but they don’t know how to be sexual. And the overriding theme that I notice in the guys I have run into on the road that are as good or better than Gurus is they are comfortable with being sexual.
One thing Algasim told me the other night was that one of the big changes in his game was when I told him that it was alright to tell a girl, ‘I am going to have to split you in two if you keep talking to me like that’. He told me, he always had pretty perverted mind, but he just didn’t know how to bring it up.
So one of the things about game is that you need to be sexually comfortable. Today in our society the image that the US puts off is that we are a sexually open society, but in reality we are sexually repressed. People would rather not talk about it, but sell it. It is something we all recognize but can’t address with ourselves personally. For the most part Sex s motivated by shame in the norm of our society.
This is actually the fundamental theme of Captain Jack’s SNL model, you’re not making sex a shameful act, you are making it something that is normal and liberating.
So when it comes to the working those quick lays, the idea of ‘Seduction’ has got to come early. This is why I told Algasim to tease with sexuality.
So if step one is building a belief that sex is not something that is alien and perverse and something that is comfortable and normal that is the first step.
So the beginnings of Seduction need to start n your Attraction Game.
How do we do that?
Well what makes attraction?
Being Dismissive, Teasing, Dominance, Multi-threading, Takeaways, Value, etc.
So how do we make them sexualized? Well, what I teach in theREDstack is to do this, take all the elements of Attraction and use them to ground and frame. Now to be fair, all you can really write about is dialog rather than all the other characteristics like Body Language, Tonality and Touching. So in this we will mainly talk about what you say, dialog.
Here is an Example:
You are the middle child in your family. You have an older brother and a younger sister.
Here is what I would give them as a neg or tease to help ground them.
“Look, that shit doesn’t work on me, I mean my little sister used to do the same thing when she would get nervous…maybe if we were related I might fall for it, but come on”
So that actually has a little bit of room to ground from and you could do much more.
But let’s figure out how to also add some sexuality to it.
“Look, that shit doesn’t work on me, I mean my little sister used to do the same thing when she would get nervous…but you’re only nervous cause you know I might have to spank you for that, but you’re probably one of those girls who would actually like that, so forget it.”
Now I realize some of you might be thinking, ‘How the fuck do I say that?’ and anybody who has hung out with me knows I say much worse than that. But here is a bit of a ladder you are can use to have sexuality go from polite to totally over the top, so you can safely feel that you can dip your feet in the water a bit.
The thing to know about this is that although this is a ladder it does not go one after the other. You will have to fill in the blanks yourself. So get some basic attraction stuff, and some grounding/framing stuff and go to town!
Or you can just get theREDstack and get it all done for you…
-OMG, I can’t believe you said that, but you know what… I can tell, especially with that hairstyle, that you were always one of those girls that had a really cute look to you, but I bet that kept you out of trouble.
-Now I know you like you hand in the cookie jar, but sometimes getting caught is what you were always looking for.
-Like I can tell with you that you always liked to get into trouble, it was always fun, but once you got caught that is when you would feel bad about it.
-That is the shitty thing about society, is people think about and perceive women in different ways. Like my friend Denise always say that men like sex more than women, and I couldn’t disagree with him more. I think that women like sex as much as men if not more.
-You know if you keep looking at me like that, (I am going to have to make a woman out of you- I am going to have to start hitting on you- I am going to have to take you over in that corner and press you up against the wall and take you right there)
-Here give me your hand (slap it). See with a girl like you that sort of thing feels good. You’re totally one of those girls that like to have her hair pulled and ass slapped, I bet your favorite position is from behind.
(a side note, notice that most of these are cold reads, one day I hope that people actually take advantage of how you can sexually cold read a person. Again a post I need to thoroughly write.)
-I bet you would be a lesbian, especially with your luck with men, if you didn’t like dick so much.
-I mean what was you first impression of me? Right off the top of your head…what was something that you actually noticed right away?
That is the funny thing, cause you are totally one of those visual girls that likes to watch how someone moves and interacts rather than what they are saying…at least when you first meet them. Like I bet when you talk to a guy you can actually figure out if he is good in bed before he even opens his mouth.
-I mean I know guys are really visual and they might be looking a girl up and down or something, but girls are just as visual but they just don’t show it how they look at someone like a guys does. Like I bet with your dirty mind you probably have thought about how big my dick is while we have been sitting here talking.
-I bet that you have really high sex drive…like you have friends that might be more promiscuous but the main thing is that is you are allowed/open to feel comfortable with someone you totally let loose. I bet sometimes you get so turned on that it is embarrassing how wet you get.
-I bet you can’t make me cum…I will totally turn you inside and out. You are one of those girls that doesn’t cum too easily, but I bet I will make you squirt.
Hope this helps
Posted by El Topo at 12:16 PM 2 comments
SHAFT SUBPERSONALITIES
Hey guys,
So there is this guy that Sinn, CJ and I always talk about on our blogs.
Way back when he took a Boot Camp with Asian Playboy and Prophet.
Then about a year and a half ago, perhaps more, he did a workshop with Brad P.
His name is Shaft, Double D, or Juice depending upon who you talk to.
But one thing is for certain the guy is good.
If you ever get the chance to see the guy work it is amazing. But Shaft sightings seem to rival CJ sightings.
The thing about him is, that he kind of is one part of the definition of Dallas' style of game. Basically my Routine Stacks I sell are based on the never ending dinners and lunches with this guy.
All of my initial Routine Stacks I went over with him before I mailed them out.
It was weird to have two guys like Captain Jack and Shaft in the Same City!
The two are master framers and come at different angles of Game.
Both guys come from a very non-traditional stlye that is all their own.
And interesting thing about Shaft is that he has one of the better Stripper records than anyone I know.
Both he and Sinn compare notes, and both guys work it completely different. As Sinn has always said Strippers are harder to game (and I believe him). But Shaft says it is almost easier for him. And seeing how he works has made me see how he does it.
He uses frames that root to shape the emotions and roles women communicate to him on. I would always call these Comfort Frames, but Shaft takes it a step further and calls them Subpersonalities. He is much better than I at explaining them.
So I asked him to give me a write up...
Here it is! And let me know if you find this sort of thing helpful, and I will try and have other guys who don't post too much featured on my blog!
el.topo.el@gmail.com
Enjoy
ET
Subpersonalities-
Hello! I go by Shaft.
El Topo has asked me to write something on “frames,” since we have had countless interesting discussions on the topic.
Writing is a lot harder than yapping, I’ve discovered.
My first attempt was a blurb on what is a frame, but that was probably too simple for you guys, and no matter how I rearranged it, it seemed kind of lame.
So I’ll write about something else that I think is a really helpful phenomenon that ties in really nicely with frames.
Let’s say you’re in a bar with a big crowd and dozens of hot girls.
You start talking to one, run your best game, and she’s not buying, for whatever reason.
What are you going to do?
Find another girl who will buy your game.
There’s one out there.
But suppose there aren’t really dozens of girls. Suppose for whatever reason, you like this one, or your buddy likes her friend.
Perhaps there’s a side of her that will buy your game.
Perhaps that side is buried for the moment because she has certain patterns of thought and behaviors whenever she hangs out with her work friends, and different patterns when she hangs out with her school friends, and you found her with her work crowd.
She has at least a couple of distinct subpersonalities, and if you can discover and reach the one that is susceptible to your game, your odds automatically skyrocket any time you walk into a room.
The idea has been around a long time. I really started thinking about subpersonalities when I started trying to break down what I do in my version of stripper game, trying to understand why it works and when it is or is not effective.
I realized that, for practical purposes, it was as if I were interacting with two totally different personalities within the same person.
First the stripper, who is basically not seducible.
Second, the real girl, who may or may not exist, who is seducible.
If you can manage the relationship between the two, you can seduce strippers very consistently.
What do I think is really going on psychologically?
I have no idea, and it probably doesn’t matter.
What does matter is that if you assume there are more than one personality in there, you can sometimes “flip” between them, and actually change the way a person responds in the real world.
There are tons of examples in real life. I can certainly think of guys who get pretty bold around women once they discover the community—as long as they’re with community guys. But they revert to shyness when they’re back with their old friends, because that’s who they are around those friends. Sure, it’s the same guy, and we can guess all day about what causes this—whether he’s consciously moderating his behavior or whether he has two “subpersonalities” that manifest.
But the fact is, he will reflexively feel and act differently. And you can use that to get him to behave differently by moving him between different groups of friends. Or by other means.
More examples: The sixth grade misfit who goes to camp and comes out of his shell to moderate popularity, only to return to obscurity in seventh grade. . . Then to move to a different city and become popular in eighth grade. The tough guy at the bar who is henpecked at home. The quiet guy who becomes a belligerent drunk.
To explain why the concept of subpersonalities so neatly dovetails with the idea of frames, I’ll use the analogy of a play. Think of a frame as the stage and set: A simplified model of the part of the world that’s relevant to the play.
When you set a frame, it’s like you’re building the set, placing props, even dressing and positioning the actors. Still, the actor has to have a script and a motivation. The frame is what’s happening. People and personalities are who it’s happening to.
There’s an awesome improv show called “Who’s line is it anyway.” One type of exercise involves setting up a certain inherently unremarkable situation, then giving the actors various identities and place them in that situation. For example, a dinner party. One guy is a Kung-Fu fighter. Another guy only talks in questions, etc. The comedy comes from the unpredictability, and that comes from the fact that the actors are out of context. That’s an extreme version of what is happening when you set up a frame without figuring out who you’re dealing with. She’s out with her brothers and cousins and you are asking her about her wildest sexual position, or asking if she’d like to kiss you. May work, may not—it’s a gamble. But get her on the other side of the room, find out about her wilder side, talk to that side, then ask the same thing—much more likely. (By the way, remember being told at boot camp to move and isolate?)
Captain Jack does this all the time. He doesn’t use the same terms—he calls what he does framing.
But what he does, and what many people don’t get, is that eliciting sexual and adventurous personas is part and parcel of his own handcrafted framing routines. One way of accessing a subpersonality is by giving permission for that subpersonality to come out. CJ does that with his body language and his routines. Another way is to talk to the subpersonality. That’s a whole topic in itself. But CJ’s own rings-on-fingers routines and strawberry fields routines do both.
Everybody is different, and everybody has different aspects that emerge under various circumstances. Some people really suppress their impulsive side, but have a very accessible sensual side, or a submissive side.
That is why if you just run the same routines, it will work eventually when you find the right girl who is ready to buy your game. But you’re playing a numbers game. If you figure out whom you’re dealing with, bring out one of the more complicit subpersonalities, then run the right kind of game, you have dramatically increased your odds of getting the girl you want. Off the top of my head, a few personas that could be helpful for pickup include:
hypersexual, sensual, adventurous, hedonistic, independent, submissive, dominant, rebellious, anonymous.
You can talk to more than one subpersonality at the same time. This is where it gets interesting. For example, “It’s 2 o’clock” may mean “time to sleep” to the “Den Mother” personality, but nothing at all—or “time for the afterparty”—to the “party girl” personality. What result you get depends on the relative strength of each subpersonality at the moment.
What if you say something that has meaning to both personalities, like “I’m going to take you home and fuck you” for example. You will get a response from each subpersonality relative to how strongly that subpersonality is present. Hopefully you’ll have reduced the “Den Mother” persona into the background, and increased the “party girl” persona in the foreground. What if that’s not possible, if she’s getting all kinds of stimuli from her friends that keep “Den mother” in the foreground as you cultivate “party girl?”
She’ll have two reactions:
1) I want to fuck him, and
2) that would make me a slut.
The ultimate mental computation reduces to “I am a bad person”, which conflicts (I hope) with her basic core beliefs. The term for that is “cognitive dissonance” and comes along with an awful psychic feeling akin to being kicked in the gut. Therefore, the state is usually quickly resolved quickly suppressing one of the responding subpersonalities. That’s basically what is going on when you get an anti-slut defense.
However, there are some effective techniques that you can use. You can anchor your tone and pacing to different personalities. For example, one thing I do all the time is to anchor “social girl”—the girl I first met out with her friends—to a normal tone and pacing.
Then, I’ll anchor (for example) submissive girl to a slower pacing and lower tone.
Now, I can talk to each subpersonality just by changing my tonality and pacing. I can say, “You little whore” in a slow, low voice and sensual girl hears it, and social girl does not freak out. I can say,
“Nothing is gonna happen. I have to get up early tomorrow.”
In a normal tone, and social girl is happy, and submissive girl ignores. Try accidentally saying that in a low tone, and guess what? Submissive girl starts to give up and fade into the background. What machinery is at work here? Who knows? Again, all I can say is that by pretending there really are two people in there, you really can observe that behavior.
This is starting to get lengthy, but that’s basically the overview. One more thing: This all happens as you build comfort. The process of discovering and accessing subpersonalities should be very normal and conversational. There are no weird rigid routines, no creepy embedded suggestions or crotch pointing. This is not about convincing or coercion. It is about liberating, about finding thrilling aspect of a girl, and letting her feel free to express it, giving her permission to do what she wants. Somewhere inside, like little seed, every girl has a way of giving herself permission to let go. You need to find that seed, and water it until it grows into a plant. . .
Posted by El Topo at 4:09 PM 13 comments
While most of the dinosaurs became extinct 65 million years ago
during the Cretaceous Period, some lived on a little longer...and
they've taken up residence in the Seduction Community.
No, I'm not talking about Ross Jeffries. I met RJ and he actually
impressed me FAR more then the vast majority of new pua gurus (and
that's not a diss on new pua gurus). RJ adapts.
Nope, who I'm talking about are people running value-based game on
hired guns and strippers.
Now if you're reading this you've probably heard me rail against
value-based game at some point in the past, but the fact of the
matter is...it works. It's slow and inefficient, but it works.
However, take that value-based game to strip club and you can
multiply that inefficiency by 10. It just plain sucks in that
environment (where the girls are trying to get your cash).
In fact, I have seen very solid pua's come to the strip club with
me and get blown out REPEATEDLY because they're stubbornly trying
to run nearly the exact same game on strippers that they run on
regular girls at a bar.
(While they may think they're a T-Rex, and that is actually true in
a normal night environment, the results they get in the strip club
paint them as a lumbering Brontosaurus.)
If you're ready to step into a world where you can QUICKLY
(legitimately within 30 minutes on a consistent basis) and EASILY
seduce strippers, bartenders, and waitresses on a core personal
level without trying to be "cooler" than them, click on the link
below
Do these 3 things and strippers will come home with you
There really are just 3 basic things you have to do to pull a
stripper back to your place for some wild and crazy sex.
But first, let me tell you the one thing you should NOT do...
Don't try to impress her!
(This the huge mistake that I have seen bona fide pua's making over
and over again when they try to run value-based game in the strip
club.)
"Value-based" game is totally unnecessary and even
counter-productive in this environment. Why?
Because you've already got higher value since you've got the money!
She wants something from YOU. That's why she approached you.
Trying to be "cooler" than her at that point is just a waste of
your valuable time (because you've already got her full, undivided
attention to run your game).
Instead, try these three things...
1. Break the "customer" frame IMMEDIATELY within the first minute
of interaction after she approaches.
2. Right after that, rather than trying to impress her, start
building sexually non-judgemental comfort.
3. Finally, demonstrate an understanding of her world by tailoring
your close to fit the logistics of her job and environment.
If you want to pull strippers, do these three things consistently.
But if you want go even further and find out how you can get in one
week the kind of stripper game mastery that it takes other years to
achieve (if ever)...
Click on the link below and watch my video with a real exotic
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Friday, December 12, 2008
A little insight on Stripper Game
This is kind of a spur of the moment post but I was out with my buddy Bart the other night and pulled off some crazy shit.
Right now Shaft, Soco, Jtime and myself think Stripper game is easier than any other game.
I know that some people may think it is harder, but I couldn't disagree more.
I have mixed things that Shaft has come up with (his system is by far the most thorough and I don't want to make it sound like I know it inside and out, but i do have an understanding of it)
and I have mixed stuff that Soco has done. Soco's is more pimp style from what I understand. Both Soco and Shaft have spent a lot of time in clubs, and know their dynamic very well.
I also have a good friend of mine that has done over a decades worth of Business in relation to strip clubs and they know the business very well.
On Jtime's workshop with me he SNLd a stripper, and I was pretty surprised. At the time I hadn't really done much stripper game. Sinn and Shaft had given me some pointers and I had heard Sinn's Stripper and Hired Guns stuff.
First off, what Sinn is saying is right 100%.
I am just coming at it from a different angle.
Just like learning from Captain Jack is way different than learning from Mystery, Stripper Game and Hired Gun game has many different angles. That still means what Mystery came up with was right, there is just a completely different way.
I will say this, of all the girls in my life right now that I have met in the past 2 months are all either waitresses, strippers, or porn actresses (which I don't know if that is a good thing...but we will work on that later)
So the other night I pulled a 2 set that became an 8 set from a strip club that I had only been to once before a long time ago in a town very far far away. I met all these girl that night.
I also visited another club that night too and got what could be interpreted as a booty call from one of the strippers at the other club.
That Text Message one constant text so I will send it out to my list Next Week and post the breakdown on my blog.
Sign up on the Mailing list (the link is fixed)
and Later this week after the Cold Reading stuff it will go out.
I am not going to post an LR on the blog of it all just yet, but it has been a while since I have had such a crazy experience. I mean even in the community I have not had such a crazy experience with women in comparison to the past few nights.
And you guys know me I am a pretty fucked up dude, that is open towards some pretty crazy experimentation. But these girls impressed me.
So for now I will leave you with this...
And I write this for the learn purposes, many of my friends are Strippers and this isn't to go out and abuse their asses, but let's look at some facts as to how Stripper Game is hands down easier than any other game-
-They are Approaching you
They are approaching you, isn't that everyone's fear. Approach anxiety is everyone's excuse. You go there you sit. No you don't buy dances or spend money, I spend no money on them. That doesn't mean you can't, but at first it is a good idea not to. The only way I would spend money on them is for proofing out an entire club. This in completely unnecessary, but that is the only reason. In fact if you do befriend them or fuck them, they probably wouldn't ever want to take money from you.
-They are the ones trying sell you
So this is one of the more important things. You are not subservient to them, they are the ones asking permission to sit and talk you into buying them. That means you have ample time to talk to the real them and not the stripper version of them. If they are playing hard sell to you then qualify their ass. They are in your space you are their boss essentially. You don't need to run game, you need to say, 'look if you want me to buy a dance from you then you gotta do more than that, if you can't then run along, if not sit here and keep me company'.
-Society frowns upon their profession (join the club)
No who knows what is right and wrong... being a PUA is not really the most ingratiated job there is out there. But society looks down at what they do. This brings up a few things that are actually listed below, and adds a whole lot leverage for comfort. They don't want to be seen as bad, they want to be seen as normal. Now also they are seeking attention and are doing a fairly risky thing to seek attention, weather money is the motive of not, that action of seeking attention all the time effects you. That is also why so many PUA instructors are so fucked up cause they are constantly seeking attention and validation, but that is another story....hahahaha
-They are the ones seeking Attention from you using Sex
So this is influenced by what is listed above. They want attention more that actual sex, they want to be seen as sexually normal. The bullshit of sex is their job. All the commercialized slutty, assholish things associated with sex that women hate are what a stripper is trying to sell to you. Or that is at least what the club is trying to sell to you. Those are all things women hate as their identity sexually. So this being said you can talk about sex in a normal way, and when they so calculatingly bring up that they love slutty sex, you can easily say, 'actually I hate that sort of thing, I actually really like people being real during sex. In fact I see sex as something very personal. If you're only gonna act all stripper sexy then, go make your money with someone else, but if you're gonna talk to me be real'.
-Sex is something that is already a topic
I touch on this above, but yeah you can talk about all sorts of lewd sexual shit. They always try and top me, but that is pretty hard. There are only 2 women that I know who can keep up with me on the perv level, and believe me I am very attracted to them because of this. But most strippers are very open to all sorts of crazy sexual talk, where in a club this is harder. Just make sure your are dong so with fun and humor in mind. Don't be a fucking creep.
-They are competitive and their egos are easy to leverage
So they are always competitive. This is how they have to be. Look they have to deal with a bunch of perverts all day, and hustle their bodies. If they are competitive then they will qualify themselves very easily. You just need to challenge them a little. You need to tell them things like, 'wait a minute, is that one of your tricks, that doesn't work on me' they will come back and say, 'oh yeah will this work on you'. You can structure a ladder based on this.
-They want to feel normal
As I mentioned this above, they don't want to be seen as pieces on meat. They get paid really good money to be seen as pieces on meat, and treated that way (sometimes). So don't treat them like that, but DO break their frame. Don't let them be dominant over you, but make their work enjoyable and be the customer that isn't there to freak them out.
-They generally have a pretty interesting sense of humor about sex
Ok so they almost always have a fucked up sense of humor about sex.
This is good cause you can ask things like, 'what is the most fucked up sexual experience you have had' or 'have you ever messed up during sex and embarrassed yourself', or 'have you ever had sex with a guy that his dick was so big it made you totally regret the experience'....
The main thing here is that the idea that Stripper Game is harder than club game is the wrong way to look at things.
Go to a strip club, don't buy dances, go there and watch sports and hangout.
If you are remotely normal and dominant and confident they will be real in front of you.
There are a few things that you can do that implement dominance and hold your frame, but just remember they are there to sell you, you're their boss not them. Once that is established work your frames in, that fall into place all too easily in a strip club.
Posted by El Topo at 9:17 PM 2 comments
Wednesday, December 10, 2008
A Brief but Triumphant Announcement...and some music
So for those interested in some of the Lessons I have been putting out there
I would recommend signing up to the podcast list in the corner...
Now yes I know the podcasts are in hibernation, however the new site is almost ready and they will all be available there.
Since the next Lesson I am putting out is on Cold Reading there are a few extra things I want to include to people on my list. The folks on my list will get the sexual cold reads, as well as a few more useful cold reads.
As for the title of this I only expect Cowboy to get it... but if you do then email me and I will give you a free phone consult... eltopoPUA@gmail
For now some music for my friends in Atlanta who had another Mystery Matador sighting...
They were at a strip club there last night and they were tying their tactics and tricks on some of our friends there. Needless to say, at this point the new 'advancements' in stripper game destroy whatever bullshit they are doing.
I have actually been doing quite a bit lately and Shaft has been showing me the ropes.
But in Atlanta Jtime and Soco are also revolutionizing stripper game as well.
So stay tuned cause we got something coming that will fuck up the game of the past.
Stripper game as I knew it before was laid out completely wrong and this new stuff is quicker and way more efficient and effective. It works in multiple styles...
If you want to social proof a club and be involved in those crazy after hours parties or if you just want to be a lone wolf in the club and pick the girls off.
So this song is for you guys
Posted by El Topo at 3:52 PM 1 comments
Saturday, October 11, 2008
Seduction Overrides All
So in the past few days, people have been searching for the ancient KFP post.
I have always said I would rewrite it, but my ideas on seduction have evolved since I posted that over a year ago. So I will leave you with this post which will at least get you talking about sex, and seeing an escalation to it.
In fact it couldn’t come at a better time. I have been hanging out with a bunch of PUAs all over from Atlanta to Dallas, to Austin, to San Diego, to Orange County, to LA, and now in Las Vegas, and the main difference in them all is whether or not they are comfortable with sex or not. The ones who are comfortable get 20min to 2 hour closes and the ones that aren’t don’t close nearly as much and quickly.
Aside for the amount and time that it takes for someone to close, what I feel the real issue is, that lack of sexual confidence men come in with. As one of the first things that is brought up in the community is, men don’t know how to be men. Men are not comfortable talking about sex or how to go all out with it.
In fact I know a lot of the biggest names in the community and I have been out there with many of them, and from what I have seen on this last trip is the guys that know how to express sexuality and are comfortable with it out lay any PUA. The PUA can be a Guru or not, but if you know some skill and how to be sexual, that build more attraction than talking to someone about getting into a fight with 10 of your friends over your ex girlfriend who is a stripper.
What is even more weird, is when you see your students who you taught a year ago or even a month ago be able to pull off a 20min lays in a club, like I saw Algasim do 2 nights ago in Vegas.
In San Diego there is Kamouflage, one of Mehow’s Instructors who I taught, but has also surpassed many of my teaching with his own, pull every night and bring a harem of undeniably 10s to the club with him. Kamouflage does what I teach in super high stimulus clubs and it is very much how I teach, but he does it on a whole new level.
It is also weird when my buddy Brando who I taught last year is doing the same thing.
Then there is Jtime and Soco in Atlanta who were able to pull 4 strippers from a club to their house in the same night. This does not happen even with the best PUAs focused on Stripper Game.
On my 1-on-1 with Jtime back a few months ago he SNLed a stripper on his first fucking night out. And Soco has only been in the game for the past 2 months.
But what is totally alien to me, is to see how nonsexual the community can be. That is the first style of game I learned. CJ showed me a different style. On ewhere you skip a lot of attraction, and one where you skip a lot of comfort. What CJ always told me was, that he never wanted to get attention, he wanted to get the women he wanted in his life.
I mean there are so many people in the community who are great at opening up large and difficult sets, but they don’t know how to be sexual. And the overriding theme that I notice in the guys I have run into on the road that are as good or better than Gurus is they are comfortable with being sexual.
One thing Algasim told me the other night was that one of the big changes in his game was when I told him that it was alright to tell a girl, ‘I am going to have to split you in two if you keep talking to me like that’. He told me, he always had pretty perverted mind, but he just didn’t know how to bring it up.
So one of the things about game is that you need to be sexually comfortable. Today in our society the image that the US puts off is that we are a sexually open society, but in reality we are sexually repressed. People would rather not talk about it, but sell it. It is something we all recognize but can’t address with ourselves personally. For the most part Sex s motivated by shame in the norm of our society.
This is actually the fundamental theme of Captain Jack’s SNL model, you’re not making sex a shameful act, you are making it something that is normal and liberating.
So when it comes to the working those quick lays, the idea of ‘Seduction’ has got to come early. This is why I told Algasim to tease with sexuality.
So if step one is building a belief that sex is not something that is alien and perverse and something that is comfortable and normal that is the first step.
So the beginnings of Seduction need to start n your Attraction Game.
How do we do that?
Well what makes attraction?
Being Dismissive, Teasing, Dominance, Multi-threading, Takeaways, Value, etc.
So how do we make them sexualized? Well, what I teach in theREDstack is to do this, take all the elements of Attraction and use them to ground and frame. Now to be fair, all you can really write about is dialog rather than all the other characteristics like Body Language, Tonality and Touching. So in this we will mainly talk about what you say, dialog.
Here is an Example:
You are the middle child in your family. You have an older brother and a younger sister.
Here is what I would give them as a neg or tease to help ground them.
“Look, that shit doesn’t work on me, I mean my little sister used to do the same thing when she would get nervous…maybe if we were related I might fall for it, but come on”
So that actually has a little bit of room to ground from and you could do much more.
But let’s figure out how to also add some sexuality to it.
“Look, that shit doesn’t work on me, I mean my little sister used to do the same thing when she would get nervous…but you’re only nervous cause you know I might have to spank you for that, but you’re probably one of those girls who would actually like that, so forget it.”
Now I realize some of you might be thinking, ‘How the fuck do I say that?’ and anybody who has hung out with me knows I say much worse than that. But here is a bit of a ladder you are can use to have sexuality go from polite to totally over the top, so you can safely feel that you can dip your feet in the water a bit.
The thing to know about this is that although this is a ladder it does not go one after the other. You will have to fill in the blanks yourself. So get some basic attraction stuff, and some grounding/framing stuff and go to town!
Or you can just get theREDstack and get it all done for you…
-OMG, I can’t believe you said that, but you know what… I can tell, especially with that hairstyle, that you were always one of those girls that had a really cute look to you, but I bet that kept you out of trouble.
-Now I know you like you hand in the cookie jar, but sometimes getting caught is what you were always looking for.
-Like I can tell with you that you always liked to get into trouble, it was always fun, but once you got caught that is when you would feel bad about it.
-That is the shitty thing about society, is people think about and perceive women in different ways. Like my friend Denise always say that men like sex more than women, and I couldn’t disagree with him more. I think that women like sex as much as men if not more.
-You know if you keep looking at me like that, (I am going to have to make a woman out of you- I am going to have to start hitting on you- I am going to have to take you over in that corner and press you up against the wall and take you right there)
-Here give me your hand (slap it). See with a girl like you that sort of thing feels good. You’re totally one of those girls that like to have her hair pulled and ass slapped, I bet your favorite position is from behind.
(a side note, notice that most of these are cold reads, one day I hope that people actually take advantage of how you can sexually cold read a person. Again a post I need to thoroughly write.)
-I bet you would be a lesbian, especially with your luck with men, if you didn’t like dick so much.
-I mean what was you first impression of me? Right off the top of your head…what was something that you actually noticed right away?
That is the funny thing, cause you are totally one of those visual girls that likes to watch how someone moves and interacts rather than what they are saying…at least when you first meet them. Like I bet when you talk to a guy you can actually figure out if he is good in bed before he even opens his mouth.
-I mean I know guys are really visual and they might be looking a girl up and down or something, but girls are just as visual but they just don’t show it how they look at someone like a guys does. Like I bet with your dirty mind you probably have thought about how big my dick is while we have been sitting here talking.
-I bet that you have really high sex drive…like you have friends that might be more promiscuous but the main thing is that is you are allowed/open to feel comfortable with someone you totally let loose. I bet sometimes you get so turned on that it is embarrassing how wet you get.
-I bet you can’t make me cum…I will totally turn you inside and out. You are one of those girls that doesn’t cum too easily, but I bet I will make you squirt.
Hope this helps
Posted by El Topo at 12:16 PM 2 comments
SHAFT SUBPERSONALITIES
Hey guys,
So there is this guy that Sinn, CJ and I always talk about on our blogs.
Way back when he took a Boot Camp with Asian Playboy and Prophet.
Then about a year and a half ago, perhaps more, he did a workshop with Brad P.
His name is Shaft, Double D, or Juice depending upon who you talk to.
But one thing is for certain the guy is good.
If you ever get the chance to see the guy work it is amazing. But Shaft sightings seem to rival CJ sightings.
The thing about him is, that he kind of is one part of the definition of Dallas' style of game. Basically my Routine Stacks I sell are based on the never ending dinners and lunches with this guy.
All of my initial Routine Stacks I went over with him before I mailed them out.
It was weird to have two guys like Captain Jack and Shaft in the Same City!
The two are master framers and come at different angles of Game.
Both guys come from a very non-traditional stlye that is all their own.
And interesting thing about Shaft is that he has one of the better Stripper records than anyone I know.
Both he and Sinn compare notes, and both guys work it completely different. As Sinn has always said Strippers are harder to game (and I believe him). But Shaft says it is almost easier for him. And seeing how he works has made me see how he does it.
He uses frames that root to shape the emotions and roles women communicate to him on. I would always call these Comfort Frames, but Shaft takes it a step further and calls them Subpersonalities. He is much better than I at explaining them.
So I asked him to give me a write up...
Here it is! And let me know if you find this sort of thing helpful, and I will try and have other guys who don't post too much featured on my blog!
el.topo.el@gmail.com
Enjoy
ET
Subpersonalities-
Hello! I go by Shaft.
El Topo has asked me to write something on “frames,” since we have had countless interesting discussions on the topic.
Writing is a lot harder than yapping, I’ve discovered.
My first attempt was a blurb on what is a frame, but that was probably too simple for you guys, and no matter how I rearranged it, it seemed kind of lame.
So I’ll write about something else that I think is a really helpful phenomenon that ties in really nicely with frames.
Let’s say you’re in a bar with a big crowd and dozens of hot girls.
You start talking to one, run your best game, and she’s not buying, for whatever reason.
What are you going to do?
Find another girl who will buy your game.
There’s one out there.
But suppose there aren’t really dozens of girls. Suppose for whatever reason, you like this one, or your buddy likes her friend.
Perhaps there’s a side of her that will buy your game.
Perhaps that side is buried for the moment because she has certain patterns of thought and behaviors whenever she hangs out with her work friends, and different patterns when she hangs out with her school friends, and you found her with her work crowd.
She has at least a couple of distinct subpersonalities, and if you can discover and reach the one that is susceptible to your game, your odds automatically skyrocket any time you walk into a room.
The idea has been around a long time. I really started thinking about subpersonalities when I started trying to break down what I do in my version of stripper game, trying to understand why it works and when it is or is not effective.
I realized that, for practical purposes, it was as if I were interacting with two totally different personalities within the same person.
First the stripper, who is basically not seducible.
Second, the real girl, who may or may not exist, who is seducible.
If you can manage the relationship between the two, you can seduce strippers very consistently.
What do I think is really going on psychologically?
I have no idea, and it probably doesn’t matter.
What does matter is that if you assume there are more than one personality in there, you can sometimes “flip” between them, and actually change the way a person responds in the real world.
There are tons of examples in real life. I can certainly think of guys who get pretty bold around women once they discover the community—as long as they’re with community guys. But they revert to shyness when they’re back with their old friends, because that’s who they are around those friends. Sure, it’s the same guy, and we can guess all day about what causes this—whether he’s consciously moderating his behavior or whether he has two “subpersonalities” that manifest.
But the fact is, he will reflexively feel and act differently. And you can use that to get him to behave differently by moving him between different groups of friends. Or by other means.
More examples: The sixth grade misfit who goes to camp and comes out of his shell to moderate popularity, only to return to obscurity in seventh grade. . . Then to move to a different city and become popular in eighth grade. The tough guy at the bar who is henpecked at home. The quiet guy who becomes a belligerent drunk.
To explain why the concept of subpersonalities so neatly dovetails with the idea of frames, I’ll use the analogy of a play. Think of a frame as the stage and set: A simplified model of the part of the world that’s relevant to the play.
When you set a frame, it’s like you’re building the set, placing props, even dressing and positioning the actors. Still, the actor has to have a script and a motivation. The frame is what’s happening. People and personalities are who it’s happening to.
There’s an awesome improv show called “Who’s line is it anyway.” One type of exercise involves setting up a certain inherently unremarkable situation, then giving the actors various identities and place them in that situation. For example, a dinner party. One guy is a Kung-Fu fighter. Another guy only talks in questions, etc. The comedy comes from the unpredictability, and that comes from the fact that the actors are out of context. That’s an extreme version of what is happening when you set up a frame without figuring out who you’re dealing with. She’s out with her brothers and cousins and you are asking her about her wildest sexual position, or asking if she’d like to kiss you. May work, may not—it’s a gamble. But get her on the other side of the room, find out about her wilder side, talk to that side, then ask the same thing—much more likely. (By the way, remember being told at boot camp to move and isolate?)
Captain Jack does this all the time. He doesn’t use the same terms—he calls what he does framing.
But what he does, and what many people don’t get, is that eliciting sexual and adventurous personas is part and parcel of his own handcrafted framing routines. One way of accessing a subpersonality is by giving permission for that subpersonality to come out. CJ does that with his body language and his routines. Another way is to talk to the subpersonality. That’s a whole topic in itself. But CJ’s own rings-on-fingers routines and strawberry fields routines do both.
Everybody is different, and everybody has different aspects that emerge under various circumstances. Some people really suppress their impulsive side, but have a very accessible sensual side, or a submissive side.
That is why if you just run the same routines, it will work eventually when you find the right girl who is ready to buy your game. But you’re playing a numbers game. If you figure out whom you’re dealing with, bring out one of the more complicit subpersonalities, then run the right kind of game, you have dramatically increased your odds of getting the girl you want. Off the top of my head, a few personas that could be helpful for pickup include:
hypersexual, sensual, adventurous, hedonistic, independent, submissive, dominant, rebellious, anonymous.
You can talk to more than one subpersonality at the same time. This is where it gets interesting. For example, “It’s 2 o’clock” may mean “time to sleep” to the “Den Mother” personality, but nothing at all—or “time for the afterparty”—to the “party girl” personality. What result you get depends on the relative strength of each subpersonality at the moment.
What if you say something that has meaning to both personalities, like “I’m going to take you home and fuck you” for example. You will get a response from each subpersonality relative to how strongly that subpersonality is present. Hopefully you’ll have reduced the “Den Mother” persona into the background, and increased the “party girl” persona in the foreground. What if that’s not possible, if she’s getting all kinds of stimuli from her friends that keep “Den mother” in the foreground as you cultivate “party girl?”
She’ll have two reactions:
1) I want to fuck him, and
2) that would make me a slut.
The ultimate mental computation reduces to “I am a bad person”, which conflicts (I hope) with her basic core beliefs. The term for that is “cognitive dissonance” and comes along with an awful psychic feeling akin to being kicked in the gut. Therefore, the state is usually quickly resolved quickly suppressing one of the responding subpersonalities. That’s basically what is going on when you get an anti-slut defense.
However, there are some effective techniques that you can use. You can anchor your tone and pacing to different personalities. For example, one thing I do all the time is to anchor “social girl”—the girl I first met out with her friends—to a normal tone and pacing.
Then, I’ll anchor (for example) submissive girl to a slower pacing and lower tone.
Now, I can talk to each subpersonality just by changing my tonality and pacing. I can say, “You little whore” in a slow, low voice and sensual girl hears it, and social girl does not freak out. I can say,
“Nothing is gonna happen. I have to get up early tomorrow.”
In a normal tone, and social girl is happy, and submissive girl ignores. Try accidentally saying that in a low tone, and guess what? Submissive girl starts to give up and fade into the background. What machinery is at work here? Who knows? Again, all I can say is that by pretending there really are two people in there, you really can observe that behavior.
This is starting to get lengthy, but that’s basically the overview. One more thing: This all happens as you build comfort. The process of discovering and accessing subpersonalities should be very normal and conversational. There are no weird rigid routines, no creepy embedded suggestions or crotch pointing. This is not about convincing or coercion. It is about liberating, about finding thrilling aspect of a girl, and letting her feel free to express it, giving her permission to do what she wants. Somewhere inside, like little seed, every girl has a way of giving herself permission to let go. You need to find that seed, and water it until it grows into a plant. . .
Posted by El Topo at 4:09 PM 13 comments
collection of topo stuff !!!
Sunday, October 12, 2008
Basics of Sub Communications towards Seduction
So when we start out gaming we look online for all these different theories and exercises that will help us get the types of women we want in our life.
In fact there are tons of different and complex ways to look at it.
I always think that my take on it all is very simple but my students tell me it is complex…go figure.
As I mentioned in my last post I said I have been hanging out with a bunch of people that are crazily good.
As I saw Algasim pull again last night, when I as winging my buddy Ryan and I thought to myself… ‘fucking Algasim.’ As he walked off again in 20mins flat.
Later on I had to leverage my wit to get myself out of my winging situation by making friends with rock ‘n roll stars, mma icons and some of the most interesting hairdressers I have met.
Pretty interesting night to say the least. Tomorrow should actually be better, cause I am doing a photo shoot with quite possibly the most famous person I have ever had the opportunity to do one with. This time I will not actually be behind the lens.
If it all pans out, I will fill you it.
But something that I want to bring up here is to simplify things a little.
It again has to do with that fun phase of Seduction, but these are just a few pointers that will help you get the basics of sub communications down.
Something not enough people talk about, but something that more people should talk about.
So here are a few pointers that people ask me about…
First is Screening-
For you to get good with your own sub communications, you need to get good at reading other's.
People are critical over screening, but let’s define that a little bit more. Most of game is designed to fit a club, some in the day time, some for social circle, and others for whatever various forms. Those are all forms of screening.
So when you hear CJ, Sinn, myself or whoever else talk about screening this is what we mean (and actually I can only speak for myself, but I have been pretty tight with those guys, I think I will do it justice in speaking for all) …
Screening for us is looking at who is the most logistically approachable that fits our taste. When I say approach, it doesn’t mean just open, it mean open and take it to where we want it. That could be SNLing someone, that could mean finding a girl to date, or whatever your goals might be. What we look for while screening is reading the social dynamic. Who they are with, what are their personality traits, when is the best time to approach and what they will be receptive to.
I actually wish I talked to DJ Fuji more about this, because he would take this stuff and run with it animal style...but it is a good exercise to do. You have got to learn how to read the room. It is stupid to walk into all your situations blindly.
So what do you screen for?
Figure out what you want in Game, and look for ways to find that or bring that out of a person before you approach. But always be proactive and approach.
Second is use of Body Positioning-
Now people might call this locking in, but the main thing is that you are using where you are in the set to work for you. It will take care of a lot. If you can do that and keep talking you will have less of a probability of getting blown out.
So let’s take it form an angle of locking in…
Locking in means having the most socially comfortable and dominant position in the group. That usually means leaning back against something. But think of it in this way, think of it as you are shaping the space of the group.
You need to penetrate the shape of the group.
You need to open the group and not stand outside of that group you want to get inside of it, comfortably within the first 30 seconds and have the group reshape around you.
That is dominant and you should do it comfortably.
The key is that this should be your goal throughout the set. Even when you isolate, you need to need to define the space you are having with them. That is how you build compliance towards dominance and even logistics.
Third is Spatial Relevance-
Nobody ever talks about this, but let me tell you this, Spatial Relevance does more for you than routines can do. It will help with screening and it will help elicit emotions or states more than other things.
So what this means is that when you are in set stand closer to your target than what you might feel is normal. When you qualify stand very close to them holding eye contact (the next tip in this post) and ask the qualifier. At the end of the question when you are waiting for a reply you can rock back slightly to use your body language to have them lean into you when answering.
Something you should try to get a feel for this is one night open sets and stand too close, but standing at various angle.
Another night try standing too close, but being face to face with them.
Another night try standing a step farther away from them, at various angles.
Then another standing a step further away but face to face with them.
You shouldn’t only do one, you need to work them all as an orchestration, but standing close elicits sexuality right away in set. It is one of the first things you can do when entering a set to calibrate for responsiveness to sexuality.
Try this-
Enter a set and within 30 seconds, ask your target a qualifier something like, “I bet you’re the one in the group that gets out of trouble the most, I can tell from how you dress, it’s cute, that you work that angle. So let me ask you this, what are people’s first impression of you?”
While doing this go in at an angle fairly close to her while smiling and say this.
As soon as you say the ‘first impression’ part lean back at an angle as if you are looking out of the corner of your eye.
Play with this idea and it will bring out some amazing results.
It is actually opposite of what was traditionally taught but if I didn’t see Shaft do it so many times and have it turn into 15min pulls than I wouldn’t have tried it. It works and it is dominant too.
Fourth is Eye Contact-
So here is the deal with this, when you hold eye contact it is a dominant way of communicating. You don’t always want to have it, you do need to look away, but when someone is qualifying back to you, you should try holding it.
But here is the real money shot with eye contact, people will match your emotions you express with your face while holding eye contact.
Even like how I listed above, eye contact can be used in how you look at people too. Looking at someone out of the corner of your eye from an angle can elicit emotions that bait sexuality back to you. Don’t go out and try and only soul gaze, but try and use have someone match different emotions one night you go out, by only using eye contact and facial expressions.
Also when you open and someone shit tests you, try saying something as bland as, “what are you talking about?” while holding eye contact. They usually will submit.
In terms of eliciting sexuality in a conversation and going sexual early eye contact is super necessary. That is why Gunwitch and CJ always said when they were in set and a girl was talking they would be looking at them and imagining having sex with them. It works in a pretty efficient way.
The fifth tip I will give is Touching-
So with this we all think of escalating and some sort of touching routines.
Those are all good things, but here is what I say, get touching out of the way by doing it on the opener.
But the real thing is, just like with the above-mentioned forms of communication you can sub communicate a lot with them. So let’s think of the idea in terms of Push Pull, work touching in that way. But not just pulling someone in and pushing them away and pulling them back. That is right, but think of doing it at key points. When qualifying or eliciting sexuality with your face and tonality (something I may talk about in a different post but important) pull them in and then slightly push them away when you are done talking, then without 2 seconds passing pull them right back in and either continue with that feeling or talk about something else.
Mind you, you don’t have to be talking about anything sexual, you are communicating with your body, voice and how you are interacting. I am not saying you can’t bring up something sexual, but at first try it without bringing anything up and see how effective it is.
Here is an example that will tie a bunch of stuff in together, hopefully it reads well (much easier to show than write about),
You’re in close on them at an angle with your hand on the back of their elbow. You pull them in.
“So one of the things I noticed about you, is that you can be a really shy person when your friends aren’t around”
Turn slightly towards them while holding eye contact, build a smile as you deliver the next line, and pull her in more with your arm.
“Like I bet you are totally one of those girls that is timid about trying new things, but when you do you take it and run with it.”
Rock back not by moving away but by turning out and pushing her away. Then immediately pull her back and say,
“I am not sure what I can relate with more, but I always know when I jump good things can happen”
Lean back and let go of touching her and qualify.
“so what is something that you feel is the most spontaneous thing you have done?”
Don’t wait for her to answer, and take a step in pulling her in at the waist at the same time too saying in a joking manner,
“You don’t even need to answer that, I can see your wheels turning, I wouldn’t even want to be around you if all the lights went out in this place, cause I don’t know if I would be ready for it.”
You take a step back pushing her away lightly, then take a different angle and jump threads to something else.
But there you see how the compliance is built for touching and spatial relevance mixed in with qualification and framing all takes place. Try it and see what results you get.
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Revelations- Revolutions- Evolutions Lesson 2
Lesson 2 – Applications and Initial
Steps for Seduction
Teases and Qualification
So with the last post, I got some emails about qualification.
There were more than a few people that were up in arms about me saying that Qualification was NOT always necessary for achieving rapport.
The truth is that Qualification can lead you to rapport, but I think it would be terribly naive to think that it is the only way to Rapport.
Qualification is a tool of attraction that is trying to make it possible to Transition to Rapport.
This lesson will be about turning your Teases and Negs to move towards seduction and help lay the foundation for seduction and to Qualify towards seduction.
The long-winded theoretical part will be at the bottom, examples first (again all for you MMAPUA)
Email me at
eltopoPUA@gmail.com
with whatever questions
Some Negs/Teases
Let’s start with some easy ones to elicit sex…
-Do you always treat shy church boys like this?
-You know, I bet you are one of those girls that totally gets off on intimidating guys.
-You have a really interesting face… the last girl I knew like that was always getting herself in trouble.
-I can tell you being quite and acting cute is just a front, I bet with your last boyfriend, you were a handful.
-I can tell just from talking to you I can be getting myself into trouble, it is girls like you that always bring out the worst in me.
-You’re gonna make me blush with those (comment on a characteristic of her) of yours, but I don’t want you to do something that might embarrass us here.
For those of you more brazen, you can get away with these pretty easily…just ask Algasim…
-You are one of those girls that is such a tease… I bet you totally pissed off your last guy you met… but you like that type of BS…
-You’re a girl that totally cheats…. No really it is totally cool, if you’re not satisfied, I can understand.
-If you keep talking that way I will have to make you squirt (or treat you like a women, or bend you over right now and take care of business)
-Hey I am just a shy boy, you don’t want to take advantage of me with your dirty mind.
-You’re totally the type of girl that can never live up to how she portrays herself.
-You’re one of those girls that can never get a guy off.
-You are totally one of those girls that gets intimidated by a guy who knows what they’re doing.
-I bet you are really insecure about yourself…like when you have sex do you have it with the lights on or off?
-You’re a really visual person, I bet you really like to watch…
-I bet you’re one of those girls with weird tits once you take off your bra.
-you’re one of those girls that attracts guys that are assholes, but the funny thing is that you’re still sexually frustrated.
-you’re one of those girls that really gets along with older/younger guys, but you actually don’t actually really feel like a woman.
-You’re one of those girls that is really beautiful, but you can’t keep someone attracted.
So with the teases you are really trying to get them to push back at you and assert some dominance over them. With the above the push back is set up to facilitate sexuality, and for them to accept a sexual role or stereotype.
Qualifiers
Now we will move to the qualifiers. Qualifiers will do a few things here. If you look at some of the more aggressive negs and teases, you will notice that they actually have more to do with challenging their identity, this builds more investment, hence making rapport easier to take flight. So with the qualifiers you can really gain some ground. First start thinking of qualifiers as something that allows you to inflict Bait and allows you to lead a topic to talk about. In other words ask questions that lead into a leveraging conversation and have it make them work for their identity. Also there is an element of cold reading that comes into play here too.
Also this is not qualification like the normal hoop theory that DOES work, but it show how to lead with qualification. It is just a little bit of a different take on it all. You see Bait and Cold Reading are pretty good tools to keep in the arsenal too.
Here are some qualifiers that lead into some Bait or begin with some Bait.
End with Bait
So can I ask you something? What is something that you really don’t like about guys you’ve dated?
(doesn’t matter if she answers, continue on)
The thing is that guys these days don’t know how to lead anymore, I bet you are the type of girl that only attracts assholes?
You know what that means right….
(then you can answer with something like, ‘that means I can’t talk to you anymore…you have father issues…bla bla bla’)
What is something about you that you find really embarrassing?
(she answer or doesn’t)
You know what, I can tell that you should not ever play poker, I bet your hands get sweaty don’t they…
Yeah you’re no good for me. But here is the thing, I bet you really have a lot of trouble keeping guys…
Like you are totally someone who is really attractive, but you are always afraid of maintaining attraction.
(this will actually rock a girl’s world, she will really push back with this)
Begin with Bait
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How old are you?
(she answers)
Awe, I can’t ask you this then, you’re too young/old, it will be too much for you.
(she will pull back and want you to ask her)
Ok so have you been in a pretty heavy relationship before?
One where it is more physical than emotional?
Ok so I can tell that even if you had been in one, you were actually someone who had to hold back in it, cause guys don’t make you feel comfortable enough to open up completely.
Who is one of your really close friends?
Ahh actually you can’t be trusted if you have a friend with a first name like that it is too plain/eccentric…wait what is your first name…we may have to clear things up.
Alright, so here is the deal… what is something that you makes you really happy?
So with me, I am actually someone who can’t stand being bored. I have always got to be doing something…
Don’t get all ADD on me and think you can relate.
I bet you are one of those girls where you actually pisses guys off cause you get distracted in the bedroom too…
Ok so you don’t?
So what is your strong point?
First lets clear things up….
What is Attraction?
Attraction is gaining interest towards you.
How does Attraction work?
Attraction works off being reactive. There is almost like a mechanical flow to it. You push someone in the right way and they push you back.
So you tease someone and they smile and defend themselves.
Attraction does not get you laid, but is necessary for the whole process of things.
What are Phases of Attraction?
Some people say it comes first, but Attraction is always happening. It never stops. It happen at the beginning of a set and it is happening in the ‘seduction’ phase too. For now just keep an open mind towards that. We will get to implementing Attraction while seducing. For now lets focus on attracting with some seduction.
What are some tools for Attraction?
Things that cause attraction are:
-Energy Level or State
-Multi-Threading and Fractionating
-Being Dismissive
-Teases/Negs
-Disinterest
-Holding Frame
-Value
-Utilization of Bait
-Push Pull
-State Compliance
-Interactive based Routines
-Dominance
-Movement
-Touching
-Confusion
So now lets look at Rapport in the same way
What is Rapport?
Rapport is when you are both on equal levels. It is when there is emotional investment on both sides and that is how you are interacting. It doesn’t need to be deep, but it could be as little as someone trying to explain themselves to you, or as much as someone desperately telling you about who they would live and die for. But anywhere within that is good.
How does Rapport work?
Rapport works off of emotions. This is where people share parts of themselves to each other. It still has reactions, but they are towards parts of someone’s identity. The easiest way to describe this is Attraction’s reactions are surface level and Rapport’s are something which actually means something to someone. This is why Qualification was used to get there. The funny thing is that in order to gain investment in someone we were initially told to lie about ourselves to gain investment. Qualification is not the only way to gain rapport, in fact it can be gained much easier through other veins.
What are Phases of Rapport?
If Attraction is always moving and helping things push forward than Rapport is really the constant. Rapport is always there, from the moment you approach a set you need to make them feel comfortable (that was one of the reasons for the False Time Constraint and Over the Shoulder, that was one of the reasons for being Indirect). Now at the beginning Attraction is cycling really fast, but what an artist needs to do is let it slow down when the target hooks on that. That is what calibration is for.
There are many forms this can take, but you can take, you can open with attraction and make it feel comfortable, you can open with sexuality and make it feel comfortable, you can piss someone off and make it feel comfortable, there are all sorts of ways to bring it to the table. Either way rapport is the point what controls the shift of it all…it is what controls the tipping point.
Ways to Implement Rapport
-Cold Reading
-Framing
-Emotional Connection
-Stories
-Vulnerability
-Telling a Secret
-Isolation
-Intimate Compliance
-Emotional Compliance
-Making Mistakes acting Nervous
The reason why Seduction can be a catalyst for Rapport is because to give someone a ‘sexual identity’ they become invested. If you are into using framing then you need to do that right from the start. Your frames should be built from the start.
So here is how to set some sexual identity frames with Teases and Qualifiers. You can say them pretty much right away. If you think you need a ladder, you can try that, but you don’t need it.
The main thing is you are using Attraction tools to build an identity so you are using Push Pull to get them to play to this identity.
That way your Rapport will be based off of seduction and you can start grounding to implement other nicer frames….
NEXT LESSON on COLD READING
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Posted by El Topo at 10:09 PM 5 comments
Tuesday, November 18, 2008
Revelations- Revolutions- Evolutions
Lesson 1 - Beliefs
Steps for Seduction
So let’s start with some beliefs.
A lot of the things that I want to talk about in the next month or so have to do with Sexuality/Seduction and Inner Game.
So let’s start with some Seduction stuff.
Seduction starts with the belief that it is possible.
I learned that really from Sinn and CJ.
I really learned how far you could take it from CJ, plus I am kind of a pervert.
I took that and ran with it.
Now when I teach I instill that same belief in some of my students.
And it is now that some those students have evolved many of those beliefs and theories to new levels.
So here are some of the fundamental beliefs that are helpful…
-All people (men and women) like sex.
-Most men don’t know what women find sexually attractive about men.
-Most men don’t know what women like to be thought of in terms of their sexuality.
-Most people are uncomfortable about sex. Men and women both have sexual insecurities… and they shouldn’t be insecure!
So let’s put some perspective on those beliefs before we go into some applications.
-All people like sex-
So look guys, there is nothing to be afraid of, when you talk about sex or bring it up it is a relief for people, especially women.
To put it in perspective let’s look at another aspect of game…Most people will agree that touching is a good thing to do in set right away. Mainly because it can be a useful tool, but also so you won’t end up in rapport with someone and be thinking, ‘when do I touch her?’ You already have established that you are someone who touches so you can escalate easier. So it is the same with sex. You can talk about sex the sooner the better and you won’t have to worry about transitioning to it later. For those of you structure hounds, you should be kicking yourself for not doing this, or maybe you already do. You can be direct about it or you can be indirect about it, just bring it up.
-Most men don’t know what women find sexually attractive about men.-
You always hear people talk about Nancy Friday’s book or Soap Operas, to justify women as being ‘Sluts that want to get fucked’. I wouldn’t call women that have healthy and normal fantasies or imaginations ‘Sluts’. I actually think that the voicing of a sexualized woman as a ‘Slut’ an insecurity towards sex. Men that think women are ‘Sluts’ for having sexual fantasies are men that don’t understand women. That being said, what women find attractive about men can vary in specific physical qualities, but men that understand women’s sexuality is more attractive that any ‘attraction switch’. Women have fantasies, just like men. You allow a comfortable environment for women to enjoy those fantasies, and you will be irresistibly attractive.
-Most men don’t know what women like to be thought of in terms of their sexuality.-
So what do women like to be thought of in terms of sex…or do they like it at all?
Of course they do. Thinking of women as sluts is not the best direction to take.
Take a look at mythology (the Bible included), folktales, movies, you can even see it when women dress up, put on make-up, costume parties, you can see it in just the basics of how women interact, whether she is flirting with you or she is trying to get rid of you, if she is trying to sell you something, if she is trying to convince you, and if she is trying to dissuade you.
There are 3 identities/roles/tereotypes that you should be aware of and adopt to helping your understanding of women. They also help with Seduction…
1-Women love being tempting, alluring, seductive. Women love to be chased, luring you with their beauty. Women love communicating in ways that we can’t understand. They love being the vixen, they love being the seducer, they love being the temptress… Bait is implemented by women and is where most men are complete wimps for not taking the bait and manning up and approaching.
2- Women love being taken, dominated, led, made to feel like a women…this is why it can be attractive in itself for a man to approach a woman. But really this is how attraction works. It is the male female dynamic, the female attracts, and the man carries the dominant action and approaches. The woman shows she is attracted (I believe that is what some people may call ‘A2’) and the man sees that and is dominant (I am not sure if that is what some people call ‘A3’ because the ways laid out to carry out ‘A3’ are not really dominant). Seduction, just like Attraction has a man’s role and a woman’s role, be familiar with both.
3- Women love being the ground, the stability, the mother, the nurturer, the earth. Once the roles of Seduction are established they find a home with this identity. So that can mean a relationship, but also it can mean, if a women chooses to be sexually free and adventurous, then she needs to have stability within this. This is why in the SNL frame of her being an individual is important.
Women love the transformation. They love the idea and act of putting on their make-up turning into something beautiful for the night, but they love to take that make-up off and put that identity away to come back for another time. This is because they are the ground. You may then be able to see how the frame of being discreet or keeping a secret may come into play here.
-Most people are uncomfortable about sex. Men and women both have sexual insecurities… and they shouldn’t be insecure!-
This brings up a few things.
First there will be an interest towards sex. People will react towards it if brought up properly. Because of that it can be a tool of attraction.
Here is n example-
You take the idea of a neg/tease, that was there because is gained value in a fun and playful way and it gained leverage in an interaction. But why it worked was because that was how women would communicate. It was how women communicated in a club environment or amongst close friends. So put 2 and 2 together and you have an interesting topic and you implement sexuality in your teases. It allows the topic to easily take place. Next post will have some neg/teases towards sexuality and qualifiers as well. Those alone will make your sets catapult towards a more leveraging point.
Second, if people are insecure about sex and they shouldn’t be. Set those people free, do them a favor!
But also bringing it up the idea of sex will gain a form of dominance. Plus no guys really ever talk about it with women, even in relationships…especially in relationships. If they do, they usually talk about it in the wrong way. Men don’t know how to view women sexually. But if you do, you will be the talk of the town!
Third, if people are insecure about it, it becomes an emotional experience and so it elicits rapport. Sounds confusing…well attraction is a reaction that carries little investment in emotions. It gains compliance towards push pull. Rapport takes some form of investment, that is why one of the ways towards rapport is qualification-by all means you can get rapport a lot easier than using qualification.
And one ways to do that is use the topic of sex. Because people are insecure about it bringing up the topic and having them at all compliant with it they are investing. It will put you in some heavy rapport fast. There will also be examples in next post.
Those are all ideas that should build your frame work.
How to implement these ideas will be next.
In doing so I will bring up some of my former students, and friends in and out of the community that have evolved these ideas into applications.
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Posted by El Topo at 2:39 AM 6 comments
Monday, June 2, 2008
Gaming Towards a Lifestyle
I am really excited to be headed back to Boston.
Every time I go there it is a fucking blast…
By this time you should know that I have made some pretty great friends there, in and out of the community.
I mention Doc all the time (mainly because he rivals me in his disturbing nature….and I think that’s a good thing).
But also Saffron is a demon as well. For someone who gets bathroom pulls and stripper pulls as much as he does…you would never know it by the looks of him. I remember the first time I met him, I was thinking who is this Asian guy??? Then I saw him in action, seriously one of the best guys out there and also has a multi cultural approach.
And Entropy I have been always know for my reviews, but so is he. There are very few guys in the community that are great at game, but also great teachers. Entropy is both. Also he gets the actual lifestyle part of things which even less people have a grasp on…and that is kind of the point of this post.
But these are guys I am really looking forward to see. In fact they are all gong to be helping out on our workshops up there.
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It will be badass tearing it up with those guys in Boston!
One of the things I wanted this post to be about is the beginnings of what being a PUA is all about. As I mentioned in the above, is that there are very few PUAs that teach that are actually good at both things…teaching and being a PUA. And there are even less that can actually have a manageable lifestyle. When I got into this I had goals that I wanted to accomplish in when I first found the community online.
I read the game (actually I never finished it, but read enough to know that I wanted to learn what those guys knew), I looked online and found as much info as I could.
At the time I actually had a pretty cool lifestyle, I just wanted to get better at getting the women I would want in my life.
I played music, had toured the USA...been in every state other than Alsaka (and one day I will go there). I have had and still have Art Pieces on exhibit in Museums all over.
Worked as a Photographer in all sorts of capacities, and I had pretty much always had a girlfriend, but I was always in a relationship and I never really got the women that I had around me. They always approached me. In fact I go tin the Game when I was 29 and from 19 to 29 I was pretty much always in a relationship (usually very dysfunctional) and I had only been with 8 women. 3 of them were from relationships that I had been in, in those 10 years.
I wanted Freedom! Just the freedom to know that I could be an attractive guy that had the women I wanted in my life. I wanted to be able to go out to a bar and see a girl I found attractive and be able to fuck her…fuck I wanted to be able to go talk to her and not worry about what she would think or what to say! I wanted to be able to play a show and when a girl approached me, I would know what to do. I wanted to have 3somes, I wanted to have multiple girlfriends, I wanted to have adventure in all ways of man!
Now maybe I didn’t want that all the time, but since I knew it was possible I wanted to get it.
And product after product lead to nothing. All the product actually said the right stuff, but I just wasn’t committed to it. I didn’t believe it was possible for ME! I believed that it worked but I didn’t believe that I could pull it off. And for game all you really need is Belief and Balls!
So I took a Boot Camp.
And that changed everything. I saw people doing it, and I did it and got feedback from people who knew…. Sinn, CJ, Tenmagnet….
But let’s fast forward a bit here…
I started teaching this stuff after getting trained by Captain Jack and Sinn and I was committed to it. Now Game defined my lifestyle, I was someone who was constantly working on how to game better, how to teach better, and my lifestyle took a dip. Those things that made me good at first, like living as a photographer and artist and musician, helped me big time!
What had happened was that the way I learned, without getting to side tracked on specifics, was my Game defined my life. How I did in sets was what dictated my mood. Now I want to point out that Sinn has been saying this as well, I am not trying to steal his thunder here, but affirm it with my story of it.
But how many approaches, how many lays, how many SNLs was what dictated how I structured my Game, my Teaching, and my Life….
This was not my goal getting into this, nor my goal as a teacher.
And now I no longer had time for the things that once defined me… yes I had no game, but my passions propelling me is what once made my life. I always have worked with people in helping them out, but teaching Game was the best outlet for it. The only thing was, I became a great teacher (in fact one of the best hands down) but that was it. I no longer fulfilled those things which drove me before.
I remember when I realized I was going to start teaching full time I had to think to myself, ‘what do I need to do for myself to make this work’.
It wasn’t till I met Tyler Durden that I realized it was possible.
Since I started working with guys over the phone this past month on my Mentor Program (if you are interested in working on a Mentor Program with myself or some of my other PUA Compatriots then email me eltopoPUA@gmail.com) I noticed that there has to be a way to teach this stuff and incorporate a lifestyle. I mean build a lifestyle from the start of it. So I would like to start posting some of the things that I have been teaching to the guys I have been working with over the phone.
But one thing is for certain everyone is feeling weird about too much canned material, and not being able to DHV yourself in a way that is congruent from them.
So I wanted to past about how that can be done.
Now Captain Jack just did a post on DHVs and he is the master of them…probably because he doesn’t even use them in any way that is at all traditional. He actually says he doesn’t DHV.
But one of the things I saw him do was in set, aside from the opener, he never lied. He always spoke about his life.
Now if we are going for a LIFESTYLE then this is really the end goal in getting people to like you. Be yourself in the most ATTRACTIVE WAY!.
Now this is not saying to just go out and be a natural, what is saying is that you need to learn the Social Dynamics of what makes people work and start building that up until it can merge with your REAL life.
So here is the main model for how I shape theREDstacks that were so popular, before I stopped offering them.
You mix Grounding with DHVs.
And go light on the DHVs, no need to throw too many switches in them.
I also use Check Ins to allow my conversations to continue on.
This is a Juggler thing and is too often over looked.
What a Check In is, is something that allows you to continue talking.
Like a Neg or a Tease it allows you in Rapport to maintain a Dominant Frame in making them keep attention.
Examples-
‘You know what I mean right?’
‘You know someone like that?’
‘I am sorry, what did you say you did for work again?’
The last one is not meant as a qualifier, but more to just perk up their interest to engage them a bit.
Then I work a Frame, laced with Cold Reads to empower them.
Afterwards I Qualify to determine the direction I want to take the conversation.
Qualifiers have many uses, but mainly to Gain Value, Calibrate Where you are in Set and to Lead into the Direction you want to go in.
An Example of all this is something like this…
‘So one of the things I always like about meeting new people is just knowing those little things that make people tick.
For instance for me I have always been someone that is really passionate and almost competitive with it.
And, you know how there are little things that you do each day that can sort of shape different parts of your personality.
So I have always been involved in computers…I know it sounds so typical, but really there is something about it that spawns that sort of childlike curiosity in me. I mean I can get really passionate with it. Like sometimes I can even step over the line with things.
But with you, what did you say you did for work again?
She answers
So like for you it is the same thing. You can have that passionate side too, but you don’t always show it.
But when you are with people that you are really comfortable that side can really come out of you. I bet you have, 2 or 3 really good friends that get to see that sort of wild side you have.
Let me ask you this… what is one thing that you totally hate when you are dating someone new?’
Ok, so let’s break this down…
The first bit is pure grounding, but in the direction of the frame you want to set, She has a Wild Side.
You talk about who you are and what you do and define it as something Passionate and allows you to Step over the Edge.
Now throughout is a Check In, here it is asking what is is she does for work.
It doesn’t matter what she does, works at a Café, works as a Librarian, or she is an Author, the Frame and Cold Read is the same.
The Frame is that she has those Same qualities and the Cold Read is that she doesn’t show it all the time, and she has 2 or 3 really good friends.
Then that other side is Framed again in saying that it makes her have a Wild Side.
You want to be talking to the ‘Wild Side’ part of the girl.
Then I want to go into another routine that is based more on me being a leader and understanding women (I may post this one later) so I Qualify by asking her about what she dislikes about when she dates someone new.’
I want to write more about Lifestyle and Gaming towards that.
Let me know what you think of this post and I will continue on with some things, based on your responses!
More later in the week…for now see you all in Boston!
And Email me anytime eltopoPUA@gmail.com
Posted by El Topo at 12:56 AM 8 comments
Sunday, May 25, 2008
El Topo Text Game Part 2
Text Game Part 2
So now we get how to open a text and one popular way to initiate a text dialog.
So let’s describe a few things around that.
I you haven't read Part 1 of the Text Post go here!
http://the-red-mole.blogspot.com/2008/0 … art-1.html
Also find out more about Subpersonalitites in Shaft's Post as well, cause I refer to the idea quite a bit.
http://the-red-mole.blogspot.com/2008/0 … ities.html
The reason why Hot Cold works so well, is because it is an element of Push Pull. I would like to do a post on changes made to models of game, but there are a lot of posts I would like to do…getting to it is the real feat! But surely I will get to it!
The reason why Push Pull is such an important part of game it because it is something that pretty much every human and animal is responsive to. It is almost like people can’t help but do it.
Now you can’t say something like ‘Hey, you sweet cunt whore, how’s your day going?’ that may piss some people off (but if you make it work…let me know). But what you want to do with each aspect of Hot Cold/Push Pull is get them to invest a little bit in it.
How we get people to invest is through Qualification, Baiting, Framing, Compliance, Dominance and Logistics.
So those are the things we are going to talk about in terms of text.
And again, I would like to do a post on my teaching method of breaking down your Tools of Game along with How to Implement those Tools, but again it will probably be a few weeks on that. It I could write as fast as I could think then my blog would be a goddamn encyclopedia! Should have taken a typing class!
So the important thing with text to think of is that it is only a small part of game. So your goals in text are to do a few things.
I always like to Bring out-
-A Subpersonality in it, and it is great for that.
-It is a good use of to begin Force Framing
-It is a great Calibration Tool
-Logistically I want to engage someone with some compliance, usually accepting roles or doing small tasks.
-Build Investment emotionally (now it is important to know text probably isn’t the tool to engage serious emotions, but more reactive and surface level ones. You need an orchestration of complete game to have it effect deep rooted emotions)
-And Logistically I want to set up a time to meet, with all those frames and subpersonalities to bring to the table.
So with that in mind, instead of saying, ‘You sweet cunt whore, how is your day going?’
You want to say things that your texts to follow some sort of path that will stimulate reaction to role into another text that will build a frame, to role into another one that will build compliance to your frame, that will role into one that will bait them into a subpersonality and all be fun and exciting to engage in.
You can hook a girl very easily to be that guy that she has a text war with on a daily basis. During debriefing I always ask women when they started to know they were going to sleep with me. If I have worked them through text they will always say something like, ‘I thought you were cool when we met (she might even say a little weird…hahahaha), but I really started to think about you in that way, when I would be at work thinking about what I was going to text you or when you were going to text me’.
So go figure, but it works, and even with text you can see yourself get sucked in with it too! Beware!
Using Bait in Text-
Although this is how to Bait using text, all of the ideas like Push Pull/Hot Cold, Baiting, Qualifying, Framing, Compliance, Dominance, and Logistics all kind fo work together. But in their subcategories I will mainly be highlighting the part which it is titled. In this case Baiting.
So the idea of Bait is a reactive one. It is something that is hardwired; people can’t help but respond to if done correctly.
So let’s start with some examples-
Shortly after the first few texts, maybe the second or third one in…
-‘So I am sitting in a waiting room, and I wonder if the people around me know what I am thinking about’
-‘Guess what I am thinking of right now, I just totally saw your twin and it set me off.’
-‘OMG the craziest thing just happened, I am totally in a weird head space right now’
-‘Even tho you like X , I still think you’re…well maybe not LOL’
-‘I am totally bored, don’t even TEMPT me with those thoughts! ☺’
-‘You have no what I just saw, you would totally LOVE it, in that sort of BAD girl sort of way…LOL!’
Ok so let’s take a look at these. Now some of them are doing a few things here.
The first one-
-‘So I am sitting in a waiting room, and I wonder if the people around me know what I am thinking about’
What you’re doing is trying to bait them into a simple question. One being, ‘where are you?’ or Two being, “What are you thinking about?’
For a while Sinn, Shaft and myself would always ask two questions, or give two things to respond to in our texts to calibrate. We don’t so much anymore, but it is a great tool to use. Now with either answer you can go somewhere.
But the one that shows she is more likely to quickly accept a frame over text is if she answers anything about what you are thinking. Reason why is because if she answers that she is curious about something that leaves a huge door open to.
An office space is pretty mundane, what someone thinks that might offend the ‘norm’ hanging out in the office can be something pretty interesting, well if you’re a PUA.
So if she says ‘Where are you?’ no big deal, you text back something like,
‘Trust me you don’t want to know, but these people are freaks! Totally your crowd ☺’
or
‘The funny thing is that, I am normally really into bizarro things, but I usually need a wing, next time I am bringing you! And you’ll never guess…’
So let’s take a look at a few more breakdowns…
-‘Guess what I am thinking of right now, I just totally saw your twin and it set me off.’
When I took my BC Sinn told me Future and him used the father text of this…’OMG I totally just saw your twin’ to calibrate how quickly a girl would reply. If she replied quick it meant you could begin with likely fruition on your text/phone journey.
So then we added a little more to it. Mainly because we wanted to see what she would reply too and our Bait was then more voiced to lead towards curiosity on what we are thinking. It may hook it may not. So in the first two texts a good thing to point out is asking two questions in the same text.
We will touch on that later.
But our Bait is always leading to a frame or subpersonality, or maybe even something else.
So it is best to get a response about ‘what you were thinking’ but you may get a response on the ‘twin’ part. The main thing is this will get a likely response. And you should probably use this text as a opener as well or the first text in a new exchange with someone you have been texting. It leads very well into some tactical conversations.
Replies to the twin part might be…
‘Yeah I was totally excited at first, but didn’t have that wicked side to here. LOL!’
‘And you should have SEEN the look on her face when I snuck up from behind, butt I think YOU could have handled it! HAHAHA!’
Replies to the thinking part might be…
‘All I got to say is….bad girl! LOL !!!!’
‘I was actually REALLY disturbed! I knew I remembered you…stay HOTT!’
So you get the idea with that. This would go on forever if I were to breakdown all of them, so let’s go to the next Implementation of the Tool…
Qualification in Text-
This is one that you can open a text conversation with, but to really use qualification you want to use it a bit later in the exchange, but it can be fairly impactive within 2 or 3 texts in.
But first let’s talk about Qualification.
So Qualification is a get way to get a lot of things. Lot’s of people go on and on about it and it is something that many discussions can be had about it.
Most of those discussions show its use in gaining investment in the group.
There is a great Audio Program out there that has Sinn and Vision going over Qualification. Most people say it is one of the best Audio Products out there. It is something that has a long history and has evolved quite a bit.
But here are its uses-
-Gain Value and Compliance (throughout your set) towards Value. Build investment essentially, through a ladder of Qualifiers or establish your value, to make her feel the need to invest her Emotions or work up to your Value.
-Calibrate where you are at in set. So it was said many a times by Future in many Seminar rooms (probably many other people too, but I can still hear Future saying it in my head) ‘Qualification is the Gateway to Rapport. This is because is was a good way to know you could enter Comfort and also it was a good way to transition into a Comfort base story. The funny thing is that Qualification is now used in Comfort (little bit of a different twist, but definitely Qualification, and it is the total LMR buster in Seduction. Qualification is thee way to Blast through LMR and is one of the Roots to the KFP.
-And the most neglected use of Qualification is that is defines where you go next in Set!
It is what you need to show which way you are going, and in Text this is important!
What I mean is let’s say you are talking about eating Bats in the Amazon your DHV story (and let me tell you I can go on and on about how misused DHV stories are in the community), and you want to transition out of it.
You can Qualify with,
‘So what is something you have done that made you know what your passions were?’
With that you can then talk about your passions and hers and all that stuff. Good for building bonds and many, many other things.
But let’s say instead you talk about eating Bats in the Amazon and transition out with…
‘So what’s the craziest thing you have ever done?’
No this can go a little more sexual… both can but with this you are using Bait to take the set somewhere into a more racy territory.
Both Qualifiers are good, neither one is better, depends on where you are in the set and where you want to go. And the Qualifier tells you where to go. That to me is a pretty important use to negate. So USE IT!
Some examples of text for qualification might be…
Opening Text with a Qualifier-
-‘So what is your favorite Karaoke song! ’
-‘So wait, you always pick up guys, when they are DRUNK!’
Again opening with a qualifier is pretty weak use of a qualifier, but be creative and fun with it and it will work.
A few Texts in-
Think about if they fall into one of your Baiting texts you can empower it with your Qualifier.
-‘Jezz! You really do have a WILD side don’t you?’
-‘What kind of girl are you…really? I mean you didn’t really put that off when I met you, but go figure! LOL’
-‘So you are really starting to make me wonder, who taught you your text etiquette?’
-‘I am not sure if I really know about you yet… are you one of those girls that doesn’t always play nice…’
So you can see from this that the qualifiers really do have somewhat of a Baiting element to them too. They are also the beginnings to Frames, Compliance and bringing out that subpersonality.
Remember Qualification is a tool to progress on in the right direction!
And that will take us to….
Compliance through Text
Now here will probably be one of the more rich parts of the post, because it will map out how you need to text (the flow of text or the rhythm). Compliance does a few things…
But at its fundamental it brings out repetition in the target working in a certain direction.
Normally I bring up Framing before Compliance, but I will lead with compliance here to better describe Framing later.
Normally compliance is just thought of as getting a girl to do something for you. This alone is super effective. In fact I remember on a Workshop in Hawaii, Tyler Durden spent about 20mins describing to a student what Compliance was, and this opened my eyes to a larger field of it. Also Shaft can talk, and I mean talk about the importance of Compliance in all forms of Game.
But other than getting someone to do tasks, you can build a Qualification ladder with Compliance, you can build frames with Baiting someone by making them Compliant to your interaction with them, you can make someone fulfill a narrative that brings out a Subpersonality through Compliance. Basically you can use Compliance to get someone to follow your lead.
Compliance is the fucking shit, so see it as not just getting someone to fulfill actions, but also to be made to interact with you in a specific way that helps Frame them into your Subpersonality.
My example will be an exchange with breakdown of what I am attempting to do through Text. Here goes….
PUA- ‘You won’t believe what just happened! You should have BEEN HERE!’
Target- ‘?’
PUA- ‘Really that is ALL you can write ‘?’ I thought you spoke text…lol, are you sitting down?’
Target- ‘Yeah, I am at work, WHAT HAPPENED, is that better? ☺’
PUA- ‘This chick just totally went crazy at the store, I thought, I wish (target’s name) was here.’
Target- ‘I don’t know if I would have wanted too, what did she do?’
PUA- ‘Yeah, I am not sure if you would have laughed or joined in…’
Target- ‘That depends what it was she was doing’
PUA- ‘I still am not sure…either you’d be all over it or ur one of those PG 13 girls’
Target- ‘Wouldn’t you like to know?’
PUA- ‘That says it ALL right there! ’
Target- ‘OMG, you are totally crazy… You might not want to know! :p’
PUA- ‘ME totally Crazy! F U!’
Target- ‘YES! And F U too ☺’
PUA- ‘That is sweet, but now you’re are totally making me wonder and now U won’t want to know… ’
Target ‘You couldn’t even imagine’
PUA- ‘Seriously, I have to drive now, so take it easy on me, you wouldn’t want to cause an accident now would you???’
Target- ‘Accident? That might be fun, good thing I am not there! Lol!’
PUA- ‘So now I am totally bored, entertain me… are you at work?’
Target- ‘Yes’
PUA- ‘And what are you doing?’
Target- ‘I am sitting at my desk answering my boss’ emails’
PUA- ‘Woman… really, I though you spoke text…how are you going to make me crash with THAT!’
Target- ‘HA! I thought I was PG 13’
PUA- ‘Ahh, we proved that you only are when you’re at the club, but at work I know what REALLY goes on!’
Target- ‘So dirty?’
PUA- ‘Actually it is one of the worst places that my mind wanders, just think if I was at work, my imagination would be corrupted even MORE by U! ’
Target- ‘You are a trip, I think you’re corrupting me!’
PUA- ‘Good cause later I may need your help, I have a crazy meeting I have to attend ☹…’
Target- ‘HA! We will see…’
PUA- Stop with that ‘we will see’ crap, you’re totally my text BITCH! Lol!’
Target- ‘Ahhh Text BITCH… couldn’t you come up with something else.’
PUA- ‘Yeah but, text me BACK….BITCH! by the way I am almost back and still no crash…’
Target- ‘CRASH BITCH!’
PUA- ‘You’re supposed to make me do that in another way…come on GET TO WORK!’
Target- ‘You’re too much. I can’t handle you…’
PUA- ‘That is what I thought! Lol. No really, what are you doing later, I will need someone to perk me up in a few hours.’
Target- ‘Why are you asking I thought I was your BITCH! Hahaha!’
PUA- ‘Jezz UR having way too much fun, maybe I should give you a whip so you can step it up’
Target- ‘I like whips’
PUA- ‘And I do too, but I don’t use them, I prefer using my hand!’
Target- ‘Now that depends, when and where…’
PUA- ‘Really, I think that you know WHEN and WHERE, unless you’re really more creative than me… and then I don’t want to know’
Target- ‘ That’s right BITCH!’
PUA- ‘Look woman, talk all you want, but I will turn you inside and out’
Target- ‘I am waiting…’
PUA- ‘And be waiting with a wheelchair cause you might need it’
Target- ‘LOL!’
Ok so this is a pretty common exchange.
No what you see in the first part of this, is a lot of baiting toward sex using really fun attitude. Text game is all Attraction being used as a door to open up different parts of her. This particular girl was not biting at first but still going along with it. This always suck, but if she is at least somewhat entertaining your ideas you can still press on very lightly.
You always want her following your lead.
The whole time I am leading the interaction, and the whole time I am reframing her replies to what I want to see them as.
The more I can get her to follow my path of the narrative, the more I make her Compliant.
And the reason why I chose this exchange was because it took her a while to warm up and it was done without any breaks in the text, it all took place over one day.
So now I text saying, ‘BITCH I am bored TEXT BACK!’ and she does.
You can also see the slow escalation of her turning more towards me. Eventually she does but it wasn’t immediate. The thing is that once they walk through enough of your doors (along with it being a fun interaction) they will ultimately continue on.
Compliance is something that can build your whole foundation to game.
For now that is all…
Part 3 will be on Framing, Dominance, Logistics
And it will go over some of my buddies personal theories on Text cause you have heard enough of MINE!!!!
But really they are good. Guys like Shaft, Sinn, Fidelio and Captain Jack all have very unique was to text. Still doing a lot of the same types of things, like Qualifying and Baiting, using Frames and Compliance, but they do it in their own effective and Unique ways. They are for the most part available online, but you have got to give credit where credit is due!
TTFN
Posted by El Topo at 6:44 PM 2 comments
Basics of Sub Communications towards Seduction
So when we start out gaming we look online for all these different theories and exercises that will help us get the types of women we want in our life.
In fact there are tons of different and complex ways to look at it.
I always think that my take on it all is very simple but my students tell me it is complex…go figure.
As I mentioned in my last post I said I have been hanging out with a bunch of people that are crazily good.
As I saw Algasim pull again last night, when I as winging my buddy Ryan and I thought to myself… ‘fucking Algasim.’ As he walked off again in 20mins flat.
Later on I had to leverage my wit to get myself out of my winging situation by making friends with rock ‘n roll stars, mma icons and some of the most interesting hairdressers I have met.
Pretty interesting night to say the least. Tomorrow should actually be better, cause I am doing a photo shoot with quite possibly the most famous person I have ever had the opportunity to do one with. This time I will not actually be behind the lens.
If it all pans out, I will fill you it.
But something that I want to bring up here is to simplify things a little.
It again has to do with that fun phase of Seduction, but these are just a few pointers that will help you get the basics of sub communications down.
Something not enough people talk about, but something that more people should talk about.
So here are a few pointers that people ask me about…
First is Screening-
For you to get good with your own sub communications, you need to get good at reading other's.
People are critical over screening, but let’s define that a little bit more. Most of game is designed to fit a club, some in the day time, some for social circle, and others for whatever various forms. Those are all forms of screening.
So when you hear CJ, Sinn, myself or whoever else talk about screening this is what we mean (and actually I can only speak for myself, but I have been pretty tight with those guys, I think I will do it justice in speaking for all) …
Screening for us is looking at who is the most logistically approachable that fits our taste. When I say approach, it doesn’t mean just open, it mean open and take it to where we want it. That could be SNLing someone, that could mean finding a girl to date, or whatever your goals might be. What we look for while screening is reading the social dynamic. Who they are with, what are their personality traits, when is the best time to approach and what they will be receptive to.
I actually wish I talked to DJ Fuji more about this, because he would take this stuff and run with it animal style...but it is a good exercise to do. You have got to learn how to read the room. It is stupid to walk into all your situations blindly.
So what do you screen for?
Figure out what you want in Game, and look for ways to find that or bring that out of a person before you approach. But always be proactive and approach.
Second is use of Body Positioning-
Now people might call this locking in, but the main thing is that you are using where you are in the set to work for you. It will take care of a lot. If you can do that and keep talking you will have less of a probability of getting blown out.
So let’s take it form an angle of locking in…
Locking in means having the most socially comfortable and dominant position in the group. That usually means leaning back against something. But think of it in this way, think of it as you are shaping the space of the group.
You need to penetrate the shape of the group.
You need to open the group and not stand outside of that group you want to get inside of it, comfortably within the first 30 seconds and have the group reshape around you.
That is dominant and you should do it comfortably.
The key is that this should be your goal throughout the set. Even when you isolate, you need to need to define the space you are having with them. That is how you build compliance towards dominance and even logistics.
Third is Spatial Relevance-
Nobody ever talks about this, but let me tell you this, Spatial Relevance does more for you than routines can do. It will help with screening and it will help elicit emotions or states more than other things.
So what this means is that when you are in set stand closer to your target than what you might feel is normal. When you qualify stand very close to them holding eye contact (the next tip in this post) and ask the qualifier. At the end of the question when you are waiting for a reply you can rock back slightly to use your body language to have them lean into you when answering.
Something you should try to get a feel for this is one night open sets and stand too close, but standing at various angle.
Another night try standing too close, but being face to face with them.
Another night try standing a step farther away from them, at various angles.
Then another standing a step further away but face to face with them.
You shouldn’t only do one, you need to work them all as an orchestration, but standing close elicits sexuality right away in set. It is one of the first things you can do when entering a set to calibrate for responsiveness to sexuality.
Try this-
Enter a set and within 30 seconds, ask your target a qualifier something like, “I bet you’re the one in the group that gets out of trouble the most, I can tell from how you dress, it’s cute, that you work that angle. So let me ask you this, what are people’s first impression of you?”
While doing this go in at an angle fairly close to her while smiling and say this.
As soon as you say the ‘first impression’ part lean back at an angle as if you are looking out of the corner of your eye.
Play with this idea and it will bring out some amazing results.
It is actually opposite of what was traditionally taught but if I didn’t see Shaft do it so many times and have it turn into 15min pulls than I wouldn’t have tried it. It works and it is dominant too.
Fourth is Eye Contact-
So here is the deal with this, when you hold eye contact it is a dominant way of communicating. You don’t always want to have it, you do need to look away, but when someone is qualifying back to you, you should try holding it.
But here is the real money shot with eye contact, people will match your emotions you express with your face while holding eye contact.
Even like how I listed above, eye contact can be used in how you look at people too. Looking at someone out of the corner of your eye from an angle can elicit emotions that bait sexuality back to you. Don’t go out and try and only soul gaze, but try and use have someone match different emotions one night you go out, by only using eye contact and facial expressions.
Also when you open and someone shit tests you, try saying something as bland as, “what are you talking about?” while holding eye contact. They usually will submit.
In terms of eliciting sexuality in a conversation and going sexual early eye contact is super necessary. That is why Gunwitch and CJ always said when they were in set and a girl was talking they would be looking at them and imagining having sex with them. It works in a pretty efficient way.
The fifth tip I will give is Touching-
So with this we all think of escalating and some sort of touching routines.
Those are all good things, but here is what I say, get touching out of the way by doing it on the opener.
But the real thing is, just like with the above-mentioned forms of communication you can sub communicate a lot with them. So let’s think of the idea in terms of Push Pull, work touching in that way. But not just pulling someone in and pushing them away and pulling them back. That is right, but think of doing it at key points. When qualifying or eliciting sexuality with your face and tonality (something I may talk about in a different post but important) pull them in and then slightly push them away when you are done talking, then without 2 seconds passing pull them right back in and either continue with that feeling or talk about something else.
Mind you, you don’t have to be talking about anything sexual, you are communicating with your body, voice and how you are interacting. I am not saying you can’t bring up something sexual, but at first try it without bringing anything up and see how effective it is.
Here is an example that will tie a bunch of stuff in together, hopefully it reads well (much easier to show than write about),
You’re in close on them at an angle with your hand on the back of their elbow. You pull them in.
“So one of the things I noticed about you, is that you can be a really shy person when your friends aren’t around”
Turn slightly towards them while holding eye contact, build a smile as you deliver the next line, and pull her in more with your arm.
“Like I bet you are totally one of those girls that is timid about trying new things, but when you do you take it and run with it.”
Rock back not by moving away but by turning out and pushing her away. Then immediately pull her back and say,
“I am not sure what I can relate with more, but I always know when I jump good things can happen”
Lean back and let go of touching her and qualify.
“so what is something that you feel is the most spontaneous thing you have done?”
Don’t wait for her to answer, and take a step in pulling her in at the waist at the same time too saying in a joking manner,
“You don’t even need to answer that, I can see your wheels turning, I wouldn’t even want to be around you if all the lights went out in this place, cause I don’t know if I would be ready for it.”
You take a step back pushing her away lightly, then take a different angle and jump threads to something else.
But there you see how the compliance is built for touching and spatial relevance mixed in with qualification and framing all takes place. Try it and see what results you get.
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Revelations- Revolutions- Evolutions Lesson 2
Lesson 2 – Applications and Initial
Steps for Seduction
Teases and Qualification
So with the last post, I got some emails about qualification.
There were more than a few people that were up in arms about me saying that Qualification was NOT always necessary for achieving rapport.
The truth is that Qualification can lead you to rapport, but I think it would be terribly naive to think that it is the only way to Rapport.
Qualification is a tool of attraction that is trying to make it possible to Transition to Rapport.
This lesson will be about turning your Teases and Negs to move towards seduction and help lay the foundation for seduction and to Qualify towards seduction.
The long-winded theoretical part will be at the bottom, examples first (again all for you MMAPUA)
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with whatever questions
Some Negs/Teases
Let’s start with some easy ones to elicit sex…
-Do you always treat shy church boys like this?
-You know, I bet you are one of those girls that totally gets off on intimidating guys.
-You have a really interesting face… the last girl I knew like that was always getting herself in trouble.
-I can tell you being quite and acting cute is just a front, I bet with your last boyfriend, you were a handful.
-I can tell just from talking to you I can be getting myself into trouble, it is girls like you that always bring out the worst in me.
-You’re gonna make me blush with those (comment on a characteristic of her) of yours, but I don’t want you to do something that might embarrass us here.
For those of you more brazen, you can get away with these pretty easily…just ask Algasim…
-You are one of those girls that is such a tease… I bet you totally pissed off your last guy you met… but you like that type of BS…
-You’re a girl that totally cheats…. No really it is totally cool, if you’re not satisfied, I can understand.
-If you keep talking that way I will have to make you squirt (or treat you like a women, or bend you over right now and take care of business)
-Hey I am just a shy boy, you don’t want to take advantage of me with your dirty mind.
-You’re totally the type of girl that can never live up to how she portrays herself.
-You’re one of those girls that can never get a guy off.
-You are totally one of those girls that gets intimidated by a guy who knows what they’re doing.
-I bet you are really insecure about yourself…like when you have sex do you have it with the lights on or off?
-You’re a really visual person, I bet you really like to watch…
-I bet you’re one of those girls with weird tits once you take off your bra.
-you’re one of those girls that attracts guys that are assholes, but the funny thing is that you’re still sexually frustrated.
-you’re one of those girls that really gets along with older/younger guys, but you actually don’t actually really feel like a woman.
-You’re one of those girls that is really beautiful, but you can’t keep someone attracted.
So with the teases you are really trying to get them to push back at you and assert some dominance over them. With the above the push back is set up to facilitate sexuality, and for them to accept a sexual role or stereotype.
Qualifiers
Now we will move to the qualifiers. Qualifiers will do a few things here. If you look at some of the more aggressive negs and teases, you will notice that they actually have more to do with challenging their identity, this builds more investment, hence making rapport easier to take flight. So with the qualifiers you can really gain some ground. First start thinking of qualifiers as something that allows you to inflict Bait and allows you to lead a topic to talk about. In other words ask questions that lead into a leveraging conversation and have it make them work for their identity. Also there is an element of cold reading that comes into play here too.
Also this is not qualification like the normal hoop theory that DOES work, but it show how to lead with qualification. It is just a little bit of a different take on it all. You see Bait and Cold Reading are pretty good tools to keep in the arsenal too.
Here are some qualifiers that lead into some Bait or begin with some Bait.
End with Bait
So can I ask you something? What is something that you really don’t like about guys you’ve dated?
(doesn’t matter if she answers, continue on)
The thing is that guys these days don’t know how to lead anymore, I bet you are the type of girl that only attracts assholes?
You know what that means right….
(then you can answer with something like, ‘that means I can’t talk to you anymore…you have father issues…bla bla bla’)
What is something about you that you find really embarrassing?
(she answer or doesn’t)
You know what, I can tell that you should not ever play poker, I bet your hands get sweaty don’t they…
Yeah you’re no good for me. But here is the thing, I bet you really have a lot of trouble keeping guys…
Like you are totally someone who is really attractive, but you are always afraid of maintaining attraction.
(this will actually rock a girl’s world, she will really push back with this)
Begin with Bait
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How old are you?
(she answers)
Awe, I can’t ask you this then, you’re too young/old, it will be too much for you.
(she will pull back and want you to ask her)
Ok so have you been in a pretty heavy relationship before?
One where it is more physical than emotional?
Ok so I can tell that even if you had been in one, you were actually someone who had to hold back in it, cause guys don’t make you feel comfortable enough to open up completely.
Who is one of your really close friends?
Ahh actually you can’t be trusted if you have a friend with a first name like that it is too plain/eccentric…wait what is your first name…we may have to clear things up.
Alright, so here is the deal… what is something that you makes you really happy?
So with me, I am actually someone who can’t stand being bored. I have always got to be doing something…
Don’t get all ADD on me and think you can relate.
I bet you are one of those girls where you actually pisses guys off cause you get distracted in the bedroom too…
Ok so you don’t?
So what is your strong point?
First lets clear things up….
What is Attraction?
Attraction is gaining interest towards you.
How does Attraction work?
Attraction works off being reactive. There is almost like a mechanical flow to it. You push someone in the right way and they push you back.
So you tease someone and they smile and defend themselves.
Attraction does not get you laid, but is necessary for the whole process of things.
What are Phases of Attraction?
Some people say it comes first, but Attraction is always happening. It never stops. It happen at the beginning of a set and it is happening in the ‘seduction’ phase too. For now just keep an open mind towards that. We will get to implementing Attraction while seducing. For now lets focus on attracting with some seduction.
What are some tools for Attraction?
Things that cause attraction are:
-Energy Level or State
-Multi-Threading and Fractionating
-Being Dismissive
-Teases/Negs
-Disinterest
-Holding Frame
-Value
-Utilization of Bait
-Push Pull
-State Compliance
-Interactive based Routines
-Dominance
-Movement
-Touching
-Confusion
So now lets look at Rapport in the same way
What is Rapport?
Rapport is when you are both on equal levels. It is when there is emotional investment on both sides and that is how you are interacting. It doesn’t need to be deep, but it could be as little as someone trying to explain themselves to you, or as much as someone desperately telling you about who they would live and die for. But anywhere within that is good.
How does Rapport work?
Rapport works off of emotions. This is where people share parts of themselves to each other. It still has reactions, but they are towards parts of someone’s identity. The easiest way to describe this is Attraction’s reactions are surface level and Rapport’s are something which actually means something to someone. This is why Qualification was used to get there. The funny thing is that in order to gain investment in someone we were initially told to lie about ourselves to gain investment. Qualification is not the only way to gain rapport, in fact it can be gained much easier through other veins.
What are Phases of Rapport?
If Attraction is always moving and helping things push forward than Rapport is really the constant. Rapport is always there, from the moment you approach a set you need to make them feel comfortable (that was one of the reasons for the False Time Constraint and Over the Shoulder, that was one of the reasons for being Indirect). Now at the beginning Attraction is cycling really fast, but what an artist needs to do is let it slow down when the target hooks on that. That is what calibration is for.
There are many forms this can take, but you can take, you can open with attraction and make it feel comfortable, you can open with sexuality and make it feel comfortable, you can piss someone off and make it feel comfortable, there are all sorts of ways to bring it to the table. Either way rapport is the point what controls the shift of it all…it is what controls the tipping point.
Ways to Implement Rapport
-Cold Reading
-Framing
-Emotional Connection
-Stories
-Vulnerability
-Telling a Secret
-Isolation
-Intimate Compliance
-Emotional Compliance
-Making Mistakes acting Nervous
The reason why Seduction can be a catalyst for Rapport is because to give someone a ‘sexual identity’ they become invested. If you are into using framing then you need to do that right from the start. Your frames should be built from the start.
So here is how to set some sexual identity frames with Teases and Qualifiers. You can say them pretty much right away. If you think you need a ladder, you can try that, but you don’t need it.
The main thing is you are using Attraction tools to build an identity so you are using Push Pull to get them to play to this identity.
That way your Rapport will be based off of seduction and you can start grounding to implement other nicer frames….
NEXT LESSON on COLD READING
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Posted by El Topo at 10:09 PM 5 comments
Tuesday, November 18, 2008
Revelations- Revolutions- Evolutions
Lesson 1 - Beliefs
Steps for Seduction
So let’s start with some beliefs.
A lot of the things that I want to talk about in the next month or so have to do with Sexuality/Seduction and Inner Game.
So let’s start with some Seduction stuff.
Seduction starts with the belief that it is possible.
I learned that really from Sinn and CJ.
I really learned how far you could take it from CJ, plus I am kind of a pervert.
I took that and ran with it.
Now when I teach I instill that same belief in some of my students.
And it is now that some those students have evolved many of those beliefs and theories to new levels.
So here are some of the fundamental beliefs that are helpful…
-All people (men and women) like sex.
-Most men don’t know what women find sexually attractive about men.
-Most men don’t know what women like to be thought of in terms of their sexuality.
-Most people are uncomfortable about sex. Men and women both have sexual insecurities… and they shouldn’t be insecure!
So let’s put some perspective on those beliefs before we go into some applications.
-All people like sex-
So look guys, there is nothing to be afraid of, when you talk about sex or bring it up it is a relief for people, especially women.
To put it in perspective let’s look at another aspect of game…Most people will agree that touching is a good thing to do in set right away. Mainly because it can be a useful tool, but also so you won’t end up in rapport with someone and be thinking, ‘when do I touch her?’ You already have established that you are someone who touches so you can escalate easier. So it is the same with sex. You can talk about sex the sooner the better and you won’t have to worry about transitioning to it later. For those of you structure hounds, you should be kicking yourself for not doing this, or maybe you already do. You can be direct about it or you can be indirect about it, just bring it up.
-Most men don’t know what women find sexually attractive about men.-
You always hear people talk about Nancy Friday’s book or Soap Operas, to justify women as being ‘Sluts that want to get fucked’. I wouldn’t call women that have healthy and normal fantasies or imaginations ‘Sluts’. I actually think that the voicing of a sexualized woman as a ‘Slut’ an insecurity towards sex. Men that think women are ‘Sluts’ for having sexual fantasies are men that don’t understand women. That being said, what women find attractive about men can vary in specific physical qualities, but men that understand women’s sexuality is more attractive that any ‘attraction switch’. Women have fantasies, just like men. You allow a comfortable environment for women to enjoy those fantasies, and you will be irresistibly attractive.
-Most men don’t know what women like to be thought of in terms of their sexuality.-
So what do women like to be thought of in terms of sex…or do they like it at all?
Of course they do. Thinking of women as sluts is not the best direction to take.
Take a look at mythology (the Bible included), folktales, movies, you can even see it when women dress up, put on make-up, costume parties, you can see it in just the basics of how women interact, whether she is flirting with you or she is trying to get rid of you, if she is trying to sell you something, if she is trying to convince you, and if she is trying to dissuade you.
There are 3 identities/roles/tereotypes that you should be aware of and adopt to helping your understanding of women. They also help with Seduction…
1-Women love being tempting, alluring, seductive. Women love to be chased, luring you with their beauty. Women love communicating in ways that we can’t understand. They love being the vixen, they love being the seducer, they love being the temptress… Bait is implemented by women and is where most men are complete wimps for not taking the bait and manning up and approaching.
2- Women love being taken, dominated, led, made to feel like a women…this is why it can be attractive in itself for a man to approach a woman. But really this is how attraction works. It is the male female dynamic, the female attracts, and the man carries the dominant action and approaches. The woman shows she is attracted (I believe that is what some people may call ‘A2’) and the man sees that and is dominant (I am not sure if that is what some people call ‘A3’ because the ways laid out to carry out ‘A3’ are not really dominant). Seduction, just like Attraction has a man’s role and a woman’s role, be familiar with both.
3- Women love being the ground, the stability, the mother, the nurturer, the earth. Once the roles of Seduction are established they find a home with this identity. So that can mean a relationship, but also it can mean, if a women chooses to be sexually free and adventurous, then she needs to have stability within this. This is why in the SNL frame of her being an individual is important.
Women love the transformation. They love the idea and act of putting on their make-up turning into something beautiful for the night, but they love to take that make-up off and put that identity away to come back for another time. This is because they are the ground. You may then be able to see how the frame of being discreet or keeping a secret may come into play here.
-Most people are uncomfortable about sex. Men and women both have sexual insecurities… and they shouldn’t be insecure!-
This brings up a few things.
First there will be an interest towards sex. People will react towards it if brought up properly. Because of that it can be a tool of attraction.
Here is n example-
You take the idea of a neg/tease, that was there because is gained value in a fun and playful way and it gained leverage in an interaction. But why it worked was because that was how women would communicate. It was how women communicated in a club environment or amongst close friends. So put 2 and 2 together and you have an interesting topic and you implement sexuality in your teases. It allows the topic to easily take place. Next post will have some neg/teases towards sexuality and qualifiers as well. Those alone will make your sets catapult towards a more leveraging point.
Second, if people are insecure about sex and they shouldn’t be. Set those people free, do them a favor!
But also bringing it up the idea of sex will gain a form of dominance. Plus no guys really ever talk about it with women, even in relationships…especially in relationships. If they do, they usually talk about it in the wrong way. Men don’t know how to view women sexually. But if you do, you will be the talk of the town!
Third, if people are insecure about it, it becomes an emotional experience and so it elicits rapport. Sounds confusing…well attraction is a reaction that carries little investment in emotions. It gains compliance towards push pull. Rapport takes some form of investment, that is why one of the ways towards rapport is qualification-by all means you can get rapport a lot easier than using qualification.
And one ways to do that is use the topic of sex. Because people are insecure about it bringing up the topic and having them at all compliant with it they are investing. It will put you in some heavy rapport fast. There will also be examples in next post.
Those are all ideas that should build your frame work.
How to implement these ideas will be next.
In doing so I will bring up some of my former students, and friends in and out of the community that have evolved these ideas into applications.
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Posted by El Topo at 2:39 AM 6 comments
Monday, June 2, 2008
Gaming Towards a Lifestyle
I am really excited to be headed back to Boston.
Every time I go there it is a fucking blast…
By this time you should know that I have made some pretty great friends there, in and out of the community.
I mention Doc all the time (mainly because he rivals me in his disturbing nature….and I think that’s a good thing).
But also Saffron is a demon as well. For someone who gets bathroom pulls and stripper pulls as much as he does…you would never know it by the looks of him. I remember the first time I met him, I was thinking who is this Asian guy??? Then I saw him in action, seriously one of the best guys out there and also has a multi cultural approach.
And Entropy I have been always know for my reviews, but so is he. There are very few guys in the community that are great at game, but also great teachers. Entropy is both. Also he gets the actual lifestyle part of things which even less people have a grasp on…and that is kind of the point of this post.
But these are guys I am really looking forward to see. In fact they are all gong to be helping out on our workshops up there.
Interested in signing up email me eltopoPUA@gmail.com or click HERE
It will be badass tearing it up with those guys in Boston!
One of the things I wanted this post to be about is the beginnings of what being a PUA is all about. As I mentioned in the above, is that there are very few PUAs that teach that are actually good at both things…teaching and being a PUA. And there are even less that can actually have a manageable lifestyle. When I got into this I had goals that I wanted to accomplish in when I first found the community online.
I read the game (actually I never finished it, but read enough to know that I wanted to learn what those guys knew), I looked online and found as much info as I could.
At the time I actually had a pretty cool lifestyle, I just wanted to get better at getting the women I would want in my life.
I played music, had toured the USA...been in every state other than Alsaka (and one day I will go there). I have had and still have Art Pieces on exhibit in Museums all over.
Worked as a Photographer in all sorts of capacities, and I had pretty much always had a girlfriend, but I was always in a relationship and I never really got the women that I had around me. They always approached me. In fact I go tin the Game when I was 29 and from 19 to 29 I was pretty much always in a relationship (usually very dysfunctional) and I had only been with 8 women. 3 of them were from relationships that I had been in, in those 10 years.
I wanted Freedom! Just the freedom to know that I could be an attractive guy that had the women I wanted in my life. I wanted to be able to go out to a bar and see a girl I found attractive and be able to fuck her…fuck I wanted to be able to go talk to her and not worry about what she would think or what to say! I wanted to be able to play a show and when a girl approached me, I would know what to do. I wanted to have 3somes, I wanted to have multiple girlfriends, I wanted to have adventure in all ways of man!
Now maybe I didn’t want that all the time, but since I knew it was possible I wanted to get it.
And product after product lead to nothing. All the product actually said the right stuff, but I just wasn’t committed to it. I didn’t believe it was possible for ME! I believed that it worked but I didn’t believe that I could pull it off. And for game all you really need is Belief and Balls!
So I took a Boot Camp.
And that changed everything. I saw people doing it, and I did it and got feedback from people who knew…. Sinn, CJ, Tenmagnet….
But let’s fast forward a bit here…
I started teaching this stuff after getting trained by Captain Jack and Sinn and I was committed to it. Now Game defined my lifestyle, I was someone who was constantly working on how to game better, how to teach better, and my lifestyle took a dip. Those things that made me good at first, like living as a photographer and artist and musician, helped me big time!
What had happened was that the way I learned, without getting to side tracked on specifics, was my Game defined my life. How I did in sets was what dictated my mood. Now I want to point out that Sinn has been saying this as well, I am not trying to steal his thunder here, but affirm it with my story of it.
But how many approaches, how many lays, how many SNLs was what dictated how I structured my Game, my Teaching, and my Life….
This was not my goal getting into this, nor my goal as a teacher.
And now I no longer had time for the things that once defined me… yes I had no game, but my passions propelling me is what once made my life. I always have worked with people in helping them out, but teaching Game was the best outlet for it. The only thing was, I became a great teacher (in fact one of the best hands down) but that was it. I no longer fulfilled those things which drove me before.
I remember when I realized I was going to start teaching full time I had to think to myself, ‘what do I need to do for myself to make this work’.
It wasn’t till I met Tyler Durden that I realized it was possible.
Since I started working with guys over the phone this past month on my Mentor Program (if you are interested in working on a Mentor Program with myself or some of my other PUA Compatriots then email me eltopoPUA@gmail.com) I noticed that there has to be a way to teach this stuff and incorporate a lifestyle. I mean build a lifestyle from the start of it. So I would like to start posting some of the things that I have been teaching to the guys I have been working with over the phone.
But one thing is for certain everyone is feeling weird about too much canned material, and not being able to DHV yourself in a way that is congruent from them.
So I wanted to past about how that can be done.
Now Captain Jack just did a post on DHVs and he is the master of them…probably because he doesn’t even use them in any way that is at all traditional. He actually says he doesn’t DHV.
But one of the things I saw him do was in set, aside from the opener, he never lied. He always spoke about his life.
Now if we are going for a LIFESTYLE then this is really the end goal in getting people to like you. Be yourself in the most ATTRACTIVE WAY!.
Now this is not saying to just go out and be a natural, what is saying is that you need to learn the Social Dynamics of what makes people work and start building that up until it can merge with your REAL life.
So here is the main model for how I shape theREDstacks that were so popular, before I stopped offering them.
You mix Grounding with DHVs.
And go light on the DHVs, no need to throw too many switches in them.
I also use Check Ins to allow my conversations to continue on.
This is a Juggler thing and is too often over looked.
What a Check In is, is something that allows you to continue talking.
Like a Neg or a Tease it allows you in Rapport to maintain a Dominant Frame in making them keep attention.
Examples-
‘You know what I mean right?’
‘You know someone like that?’
‘I am sorry, what did you say you did for work again?’
The last one is not meant as a qualifier, but more to just perk up their interest to engage them a bit.
Then I work a Frame, laced with Cold Reads to empower them.
Afterwards I Qualify to determine the direction I want to take the conversation.
Qualifiers have many uses, but mainly to Gain Value, Calibrate Where you are in Set and to Lead into the Direction you want to go in.
An Example of all this is something like this…
‘So one of the things I always like about meeting new people is just knowing those little things that make people tick.
For instance for me I have always been someone that is really passionate and almost competitive with it.
And, you know how there are little things that you do each day that can sort of shape different parts of your personality.
So I have always been involved in computers…I know it sounds so typical, but really there is something about it that spawns that sort of childlike curiosity in me. I mean I can get really passionate with it. Like sometimes I can even step over the line with things.
But with you, what did you say you did for work again?
She answers
So like for you it is the same thing. You can have that passionate side too, but you don’t always show it.
But when you are with people that you are really comfortable that side can really come out of you. I bet you have, 2 or 3 really good friends that get to see that sort of wild side you have.
Let me ask you this… what is one thing that you totally hate when you are dating someone new?’
Ok, so let’s break this down…
The first bit is pure grounding, but in the direction of the frame you want to set, She has a Wild Side.
You talk about who you are and what you do and define it as something Passionate and allows you to Step over the Edge.
Now throughout is a Check In, here it is asking what is is she does for work.
It doesn’t matter what she does, works at a Café, works as a Librarian, or she is an Author, the Frame and Cold Read is the same.
The Frame is that she has those Same qualities and the Cold Read is that she doesn’t show it all the time, and she has 2 or 3 really good friends.
Then that other side is Framed again in saying that it makes her have a Wild Side.
You want to be talking to the ‘Wild Side’ part of the girl.
Then I want to go into another routine that is based more on me being a leader and understanding women (I may post this one later) so I Qualify by asking her about what she dislikes about when she dates someone new.’
I want to write more about Lifestyle and Gaming towards that.
Let me know what you think of this post and I will continue on with some things, based on your responses!
More later in the week…for now see you all in Boston!
And Email me anytime eltopoPUA@gmail.com
Posted by El Topo at 12:56 AM 8 comments
Sunday, May 25, 2008
El Topo Text Game Part 2
Text Game Part 2
So now we get how to open a text and one popular way to initiate a text dialog.
So let’s describe a few things around that.
I you haven't read Part 1 of the Text Post go here!
http://the-red-mole.blogspot.com/2008/0 … art-1.html
Also find out more about Subpersonalitites in Shaft's Post as well, cause I refer to the idea quite a bit.
http://the-red-mole.blogspot.com/2008/0 … ities.html
The reason why Hot Cold works so well, is because it is an element of Push Pull. I would like to do a post on changes made to models of game, but there are a lot of posts I would like to do…getting to it is the real feat! But surely I will get to it!
The reason why Push Pull is such an important part of game it because it is something that pretty much every human and animal is responsive to. It is almost like people can’t help but do it.
Now you can’t say something like ‘Hey, you sweet cunt whore, how’s your day going?’ that may piss some people off (but if you make it work…let me know). But what you want to do with each aspect of Hot Cold/Push Pull is get them to invest a little bit in it.
How we get people to invest is through Qualification, Baiting, Framing, Compliance, Dominance and Logistics.
So those are the things we are going to talk about in terms of text.
And again, I would like to do a post on my teaching method of breaking down your Tools of Game along with How to Implement those Tools, but again it will probably be a few weeks on that. It I could write as fast as I could think then my blog would be a goddamn encyclopedia! Should have taken a typing class!
So the important thing with text to think of is that it is only a small part of game. So your goals in text are to do a few things.
I always like to Bring out-
-A Subpersonality in it, and it is great for that.
-It is a good use of to begin Force Framing
-It is a great Calibration Tool
-Logistically I want to engage someone with some compliance, usually accepting roles or doing small tasks.
-Build Investment emotionally (now it is important to know text probably isn’t the tool to engage serious emotions, but more reactive and surface level ones. You need an orchestration of complete game to have it effect deep rooted emotions)
-And Logistically I want to set up a time to meet, with all those frames and subpersonalities to bring to the table.
So with that in mind, instead of saying, ‘You sweet cunt whore, how is your day going?’
You want to say things that your texts to follow some sort of path that will stimulate reaction to role into another text that will build a frame, to role into another one that will build compliance to your frame, that will role into one that will bait them into a subpersonality and all be fun and exciting to engage in.
You can hook a girl very easily to be that guy that she has a text war with on a daily basis. During debriefing I always ask women when they started to know they were going to sleep with me. If I have worked them through text they will always say something like, ‘I thought you were cool when we met (she might even say a little weird…hahahaha), but I really started to think about you in that way, when I would be at work thinking about what I was going to text you or when you were going to text me’.
So go figure, but it works, and even with text you can see yourself get sucked in with it too! Beware!
Using Bait in Text-
Although this is how to Bait using text, all of the ideas like Push Pull/Hot Cold, Baiting, Qualifying, Framing, Compliance, Dominance, and Logistics all kind fo work together. But in their subcategories I will mainly be highlighting the part which it is titled. In this case Baiting.
So the idea of Bait is a reactive one. It is something that is hardwired; people can’t help but respond to if done correctly.
So let’s start with some examples-
Shortly after the first few texts, maybe the second or third one in…
-‘So I am sitting in a waiting room, and I wonder if the people around me know what I am thinking about’
-‘Guess what I am thinking of right now, I just totally saw your twin and it set me off.’
-‘OMG the craziest thing just happened, I am totally in a weird head space right now’
-‘Even tho you like X , I still think you’re…well maybe not LOL’
-‘I am totally bored, don’t even TEMPT me with those thoughts! ☺’
-‘You have no what I just saw, you would totally LOVE it, in that sort of BAD girl sort of way…LOL!’
Ok so let’s take a look at these. Now some of them are doing a few things here.
The first one-
-‘So I am sitting in a waiting room, and I wonder if the people around me know what I am thinking about’
What you’re doing is trying to bait them into a simple question. One being, ‘where are you?’ or Two being, “What are you thinking about?’
For a while Sinn, Shaft and myself would always ask two questions, or give two things to respond to in our texts to calibrate. We don’t so much anymore, but it is a great tool to use. Now with either answer you can go somewhere.
But the one that shows she is more likely to quickly accept a frame over text is if she answers anything about what you are thinking. Reason why is because if she answers that she is curious about something that leaves a huge door open to.
An office space is pretty mundane, what someone thinks that might offend the ‘norm’ hanging out in the office can be something pretty interesting, well if you’re a PUA.
So if she says ‘Where are you?’ no big deal, you text back something like,
‘Trust me you don’t want to know, but these people are freaks! Totally your crowd ☺’
or
‘The funny thing is that, I am normally really into bizarro things, but I usually need a wing, next time I am bringing you! And you’ll never guess…’
So let’s take a look at a few more breakdowns…
-‘Guess what I am thinking of right now, I just totally saw your twin and it set me off.’
When I took my BC Sinn told me Future and him used the father text of this…’OMG I totally just saw your twin’ to calibrate how quickly a girl would reply. If she replied quick it meant you could begin with likely fruition on your text/phone journey.
So then we added a little more to it. Mainly because we wanted to see what she would reply too and our Bait was then more voiced to lead towards curiosity on what we are thinking. It may hook it may not. So in the first two texts a good thing to point out is asking two questions in the same text.
We will touch on that later.
But our Bait is always leading to a frame or subpersonality, or maybe even something else.
So it is best to get a response about ‘what you were thinking’ but you may get a response on the ‘twin’ part. The main thing is this will get a likely response. And you should probably use this text as a opener as well or the first text in a new exchange with someone you have been texting. It leads very well into some tactical conversations.
Replies to the twin part might be…
‘Yeah I was totally excited at first, but didn’t have that wicked side to here. LOL!’
‘And you should have SEEN the look on her face when I snuck up from behind, butt I think YOU could have handled it! HAHAHA!’
Replies to the thinking part might be…
‘All I got to say is….bad girl! LOL !!!!’
‘I was actually REALLY disturbed! I knew I remembered you…stay HOTT!’
So you get the idea with that. This would go on forever if I were to breakdown all of them, so let’s go to the next Implementation of the Tool…
Qualification in Text-
This is one that you can open a text conversation with, but to really use qualification you want to use it a bit later in the exchange, but it can be fairly impactive within 2 or 3 texts in.
But first let’s talk about Qualification.
So Qualification is a get way to get a lot of things. Lot’s of people go on and on about it and it is something that many discussions can be had about it.
Most of those discussions show its use in gaining investment in the group.
There is a great Audio Program out there that has Sinn and Vision going over Qualification. Most people say it is one of the best Audio Products out there. It is something that has a long history and has evolved quite a bit.
But here are its uses-
-Gain Value and Compliance (throughout your set) towards Value. Build investment essentially, through a ladder of Qualifiers or establish your value, to make her feel the need to invest her Emotions or work up to your Value.
-Calibrate where you are at in set. So it was said many a times by Future in many Seminar rooms (probably many other people too, but I can still hear Future saying it in my head) ‘Qualification is the Gateway to Rapport. This is because is was a good way to know you could enter Comfort and also it was a good way to transition into a Comfort base story. The funny thing is that Qualification is now used in Comfort (little bit of a different twist, but definitely Qualification, and it is the total LMR buster in Seduction. Qualification is thee way to Blast through LMR and is one of the Roots to the KFP.
-And the most neglected use of Qualification is that is defines where you go next in Set!
It is what you need to show which way you are going, and in Text this is important!
What I mean is let’s say you are talking about eating Bats in the Amazon your DHV story (and let me tell you I can go on and on about how misused DHV stories are in the community), and you want to transition out of it.
You can Qualify with,
‘So what is something you have done that made you know what your passions were?’
With that you can then talk about your passions and hers and all that stuff. Good for building bonds and many, many other things.
But let’s say instead you talk about eating Bats in the Amazon and transition out with…
‘So what’s the craziest thing you have ever done?’
No this can go a little more sexual… both can but with this you are using Bait to take the set somewhere into a more racy territory.
Both Qualifiers are good, neither one is better, depends on where you are in the set and where you want to go. And the Qualifier tells you where to go. That to me is a pretty important use to negate. So USE IT!
Some examples of text for qualification might be…
Opening Text with a Qualifier-
-‘So what is your favorite Karaoke song! ’
-‘So wait, you always pick up guys, when they are DRUNK!’
Again opening with a qualifier is pretty weak use of a qualifier, but be creative and fun with it and it will work.
A few Texts in-
Think about if they fall into one of your Baiting texts you can empower it with your Qualifier.
-‘Jezz! You really do have a WILD side don’t you?’
-‘What kind of girl are you…really? I mean you didn’t really put that off when I met you, but go figure! LOL’
-‘So you are really starting to make me wonder, who taught you your text etiquette?’
-‘I am not sure if I really know about you yet… are you one of those girls that doesn’t always play nice…’
So you can see from this that the qualifiers really do have somewhat of a Baiting element to them too. They are also the beginnings to Frames, Compliance and bringing out that subpersonality.
Remember Qualification is a tool to progress on in the right direction!
And that will take us to….
Compliance through Text
Now here will probably be one of the more rich parts of the post, because it will map out how you need to text (the flow of text or the rhythm). Compliance does a few things…
But at its fundamental it brings out repetition in the target working in a certain direction.
Normally I bring up Framing before Compliance, but I will lead with compliance here to better describe Framing later.
Normally compliance is just thought of as getting a girl to do something for you. This alone is super effective. In fact I remember on a Workshop in Hawaii, Tyler Durden spent about 20mins describing to a student what Compliance was, and this opened my eyes to a larger field of it. Also Shaft can talk, and I mean talk about the importance of Compliance in all forms of Game.
But other than getting someone to do tasks, you can build a Qualification ladder with Compliance, you can build frames with Baiting someone by making them Compliant to your interaction with them, you can make someone fulfill a narrative that brings out a Subpersonality through Compliance. Basically you can use Compliance to get someone to follow your lead.
Compliance is the fucking shit, so see it as not just getting someone to fulfill actions, but also to be made to interact with you in a specific way that helps Frame them into your Subpersonality.
My example will be an exchange with breakdown of what I am attempting to do through Text. Here goes….
PUA- ‘You won’t believe what just happened! You should have BEEN HERE!’
Target- ‘?’
PUA- ‘Really that is ALL you can write ‘?’ I thought you spoke text…lol, are you sitting down?’
Target- ‘Yeah, I am at work, WHAT HAPPENED, is that better? ☺’
PUA- ‘This chick just totally went crazy at the store, I thought, I wish (target’s name) was here.’
Target- ‘I don’t know if I would have wanted too, what did she do?’
PUA- ‘Yeah, I am not sure if you would have laughed or joined in…’
Target- ‘That depends what it was she was doing’
PUA- ‘I still am not sure…either you’d be all over it or ur one of those PG 13 girls’
Target- ‘Wouldn’t you like to know?’
PUA- ‘That says it ALL right there! ’
Target- ‘OMG, you are totally crazy… You might not want to know! :p’
PUA- ‘ME totally Crazy! F U!’
Target- ‘YES! And F U too ☺’
PUA- ‘That is sweet, but now you’re are totally making me wonder and now U won’t want to know… ’
Target ‘You couldn’t even imagine’
PUA- ‘Seriously, I have to drive now, so take it easy on me, you wouldn’t want to cause an accident now would you???’
Target- ‘Accident? That might be fun, good thing I am not there! Lol!’
PUA- ‘So now I am totally bored, entertain me… are you at work?’
Target- ‘Yes’
PUA- ‘And what are you doing?’
Target- ‘I am sitting at my desk answering my boss’ emails’
PUA- ‘Woman… really, I though you spoke text…how are you going to make me crash with THAT!’
Target- ‘HA! I thought I was PG 13’
PUA- ‘Ahh, we proved that you only are when you’re at the club, but at work I know what REALLY goes on!’
Target- ‘So dirty?’
PUA- ‘Actually it is one of the worst places that my mind wanders, just think if I was at work, my imagination would be corrupted even MORE by U! ’
Target- ‘You are a trip, I think you’re corrupting me!’
PUA- ‘Good cause later I may need your help, I have a crazy meeting I have to attend ☹…’
Target- ‘HA! We will see…’
PUA- Stop with that ‘we will see’ crap, you’re totally my text BITCH! Lol!’
Target- ‘Ahhh Text BITCH… couldn’t you come up with something else.’
PUA- ‘Yeah but, text me BACK….BITCH! by the way I am almost back and still no crash…’
Target- ‘CRASH BITCH!’
PUA- ‘You’re supposed to make me do that in another way…come on GET TO WORK!’
Target- ‘You’re too much. I can’t handle you…’
PUA- ‘That is what I thought! Lol. No really, what are you doing later, I will need someone to perk me up in a few hours.’
Target- ‘Why are you asking I thought I was your BITCH! Hahaha!’
PUA- ‘Jezz UR having way too much fun, maybe I should give you a whip so you can step it up’
Target- ‘I like whips’
PUA- ‘And I do too, but I don’t use them, I prefer using my hand!’
Target- ‘Now that depends, when and where…’
PUA- ‘Really, I think that you know WHEN and WHERE, unless you’re really more creative than me… and then I don’t want to know’
Target- ‘ That’s right BITCH!’
PUA- ‘Look woman, talk all you want, but I will turn you inside and out’
Target- ‘I am waiting…’
PUA- ‘And be waiting with a wheelchair cause you might need it’
Target- ‘LOL!’
Ok so this is a pretty common exchange.
No what you see in the first part of this, is a lot of baiting toward sex using really fun attitude. Text game is all Attraction being used as a door to open up different parts of her. This particular girl was not biting at first but still going along with it. This always suck, but if she is at least somewhat entertaining your ideas you can still press on very lightly.
You always want her following your lead.
The whole time I am leading the interaction, and the whole time I am reframing her replies to what I want to see them as.
The more I can get her to follow my path of the narrative, the more I make her Compliant.
And the reason why I chose this exchange was because it took her a while to warm up and it was done without any breaks in the text, it all took place over one day.
So now I text saying, ‘BITCH I am bored TEXT BACK!’ and she does.
You can also see the slow escalation of her turning more towards me. Eventually she does but it wasn’t immediate. The thing is that once they walk through enough of your doors (along with it being a fun interaction) they will ultimately continue on.
Compliance is something that can build your whole foundation to game.
For now that is all…
Part 3 will be on Framing, Dominance, Logistics
And it will go over some of my buddies personal theories on Text cause you have heard enough of MINE!!!!
But really they are good. Guys like Shaft, Sinn, Fidelio and Captain Jack all have very unique was to text. Still doing a lot of the same types of things, like Qualifying and Baiting, using Frames and Compliance, but they do it in their own effective and Unique ways. They are for the most part available online, but you have got to give credit where credit is due!
TTFN
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